Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!

[Geoni]

Also Kayla reread that. I'm not saying you're coasting, I'm saying it's Tom and Oath who are coasting, and as an older player you would be surprised to see how bad and inactive their playstyles have gotten is what I'm saying.

Anyways, I'm really tired. Need my hour to eat, unwind, and go to bed. Do me a favor and please let me not wake up to a messy af EoD.

 

[Kamzitty]

Ok so i can confirm you are purposefully avoiding my question and it's starting to piss me off. it may longer be relevant and I'm judging banging on about it but please give me an answer

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just* not judging

@Kammm most of my posts have been about punchy purely because I just want an answer to my question which he clearly saw. after that I'll stop targeting him. I'm starting my reads list in a few mins so don't bug me (directed at everyone)

See i did say he didnt post enough

That's true but like I said I was trying to push you for more info. You elaborated on your sus of punchy but didn't say anything about Tom, which fair, there wasn't enough content from him to say much about. So now that he's posted more, do you feel the same way as before?

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Sorry for the extra quotes again :')

 

[oath2order]

Also Kayla reread that. I'm not saying you're coasting, I'm saying it's Tom and Oath who are coasting, and as an older player you would be surprised to see how bad and inactive their playstyles have gotten is what I'm saying.

Anyways, I'm really tired. Need my hour to eat, unwind, and go to bed. Do me a favor and please let me not wake up to a messy af EoD.

Seems like youre just resting o n the coasting thing to try and avoid making an actual case. I tend to coast day one its a thing I do.

 

[Kamzitty]

I dunno I would say trusting your gut is a major part of mafia, especially for folks with night actions. The only issue with trusting their gut when it comes to me though is that usually it?s always Tom is mafia. I don?t really care, I?ve got no reason to prove them otherwise and I can?t convince half of them anyways without some other stupid term being thrown about on how I?m scum. Let em voice it

You make a fair point (about trusting their gut) but it was so early into the game when he said that, it just seemed random.

 

[Dolby]

I?m gonna say that I agree with Kayla that there are more than a few players who used our argument to try to appear to generate content

 

[glow]

Why me? If you're going to say it's because I'm doing the weird google doc thing and half of my content being me stating the obvious, I've already addressed that, and I've now started going more into depth on the material. So if that's all it is that's pretty hypocritical since your activity so far this game has been unimpressive. If you wanna fish for a case against me with my reads it'll be an entertaining read when I wake up.

I'd say that 2/3 of the people you list here are easy targets but given I just revealed that I will be gone until EoD and maybe even after, and wouldn't be able to defend myself if you pulled something out of your ass, it's 3/3. <--Tell me I'm wrong with this last sentence.

dad, in a game half full of brand new and newer players: "i'm an easy target"

(besides isn't Ness an easier target than 2/3 of my reads.......or katezilla)

oath/dedenne maybe easy targets i guess?? i mean as scum its a lot easier to just pick up traction for a lynch that's already been pushed (Ness, punchy, fire, Antonio, etc). i think the only sr I've shared with a couple people is oath. but oaths content is objectively bad

i will say i find it odd that you immediately compare me to my scumreads, i mean i believe my content has been nothing like theirs though i have no ambition to impress anyone. i would rather you just admit to you forcing your own underdeveloped reads out than you trying to speculate about reads i haven't even explained.

below isn't really to u, dad, but i'm too lazy to make a separate post and it's somewhat relevant so

i very much dislike how dedenne feels the need to constantly say "guys i'm posting my reads soon don't sus me" (they've done it 2-3 times) and in their first couple posts dedenne said something like "omg everything in my notes has been discussed! guess i will wait til d2 to post reads"

why not just say what you've agreed or disagreed with so far. constant excuses for small things read v paranoid.

 

[Ghostkid]

That's true but like I said I was trying to push you for more info. You elaborated on your sus of punchy but didn't say anything about Tom, which fair, there wasn't enough content from him to say much about. So now that he's posted more, do you feel the same way as before?

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Sorry for the extra quotes again :')

Id say hed be null right now...but he dosnt care if we lynch him that also puts him in the catagory as joker

 

[iLoveYou]

Also Kayla reread that. I'm not saying you're coasting, I'm saying it's Tom and Oath who are coasting, and as an older player you would be surprised to see how bad and inactive their playstyles have gotten is what I'm saying.

Anyways, I'm really tired. Need my hour to eat, unwind, and go to bed. Do me a favor and please let me not wake up to a messy af EoD.

I was actually going to bring up the fact that he fell inactive shortly after players screamed their plan for Day One lynch ( " omg weare not lynching insctives" ). I'm on a mobile cellphone so making my posts is taking me longer than usual.

 

[dedenne]

@glow I didn't say id put up reads d2 I said later on in d1, and the stuff I put on my notes were no longer relevant at that time.

omg taking quotes on mobile is so hard halp

 

[Geoni]

lol Oath, yeah I'm only looking at coasters, I'm terrible, I'll leave you to contribute nothing to the game in peace

dad, in a game half full of brand new and newer players: "i'm an easy target"

(besides isn't Ness an easier target than 2/3 of my reads.......or katezilla)

oath/dedenne maybe easy targets i guess?? i mean as scum its a lot easier to just pick up traction for a lynch that's already been pushed (Ness, punchy, fire, Antonio, etc). i think the only sr I've shared with a couple people is oath. but oaths content is objectively bad

i will say i find it odd that you immediately compare me to my scumreads, i mean i believe my content has been nothing like theirs though i have no ambition to impress anyone. i would rather you just admit to you forcing your own underdeveloped reads out than you trying to speculate about reads i haven't even explained.

below isn't really to u, dad, but i'm too lazy to make a separate post and it's somewhat relevant so

i very much dislike how dedenne feels the need to constantly say "guys i'm posting my reads soon don't sus me" (they've done it 2-3 times) and in their first couple posts dedenne said something like "omg everything in my notes has been discussed! guess i will wait til d2 to post reads"

why not just say what you've agreed or disagreed with so far. constant excuses for small things read v paranoid.

Said I was going to relax but here I am still reading.

I would rather you develop your reads to begin with. Start with Oath. What about his content is bad and how is it objectively so? Not asking about the lack of content from him (aka inactivity), but what he has said.

Also given what's on the table you going after Dedenne feels deliberately like you're going after a weak player who has promised activity but lacked it. What makes her different than others in the game who have done the same?

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Man the majority of post #406 by glow. Yikes.

 

[glow]

lol Oath, yeah I'm only looking at coasters, I'm terrible, I'll leave you to contribute nothing to the game in peace



Said I was going to relax but here I am still reading.

I would rather you develop your reads to begin with. Start with Oath. What about his content is bad and how is it objectively so? Not asking about the lack of content from him (aka inactivity), but what he has said.

Also given what's on the table you going after Dedenne feels deliberately like you're going after a weak player who has promised activity but lacked it. What makes her different than others in the game who have done the same?

oath pulled the meta card the second he was accused of non contribution and there's really only two scenarios where that fits

uh? who else has posted so frequently about not posting their reads until later? saying it once is normal, i haven't noticed anyone say it more than that.

not trying to complain but i feel like there's a new thing where people wallpost about every single player in the game when it's really hard to go through all that. nobody should be spending 5-6 hours on reads unless youre building a case. it also leads to people forcing reads as town since they feel obligated to write something and it gives mafia an easy way to interact with their partners.

 

[Dolby]

Locket-very little content so far, and more notably, hasn't advocated on stronger suspicions except for FN. And focuses on him for honestly all the wrong reasons. Though I think that Locket will get more transparent later in the cycle (since she seems to naturally post around 5-7PM PST. I'm leaving her as null/slight scumlean again
Punchy-I really think that he's town here. Although he's been less than contribututive, but I really don't see how some of the stuff he's doing would benefit him as scum (for example, if he's maf, I think that he would clutch close to me). TL
Trundle-Weak TL
Rune-Townlean. He's acting a lot like he was last game, putting pressure in the right places. The only thing that I don't like is that he has Ness>Toads in terms of trust, but this really seems like how Rune played last game. His posts as scum are completely devoid and empty, compared to now where there's some life witin them.
Kammm-Slight townlean. I know that I said earlier that she is "probably town" and she has said some stuff in reflection that looks good for her. She does seem to be genuinely entrapped in Ness's ATE if he is scum, but I don't like that all of her scumreads are relatively inactive(though I do agree that two in particular (Antonio and Dedenne) deserve to be there at this point). I'm not really sure if I read her posts on FN coming from town or mafia though because they are really hesisitant.

FN's awaited response to accusations was honestly a let down and his so called "defenses" were half-a**ed. He brushed off all accusations by saying things like "this is false" or "not true" which don't seem like valid defenses imo. Does anybody else find this odd? I'm unsure if these are an indication of scum tho, because like I said earlier it seems to be WAY too obvious ;/

For reference to her being hesistant. The tones really clash here, from calling him out on his bull****, to backing off. However, I really don't see her as scum making this if teamed with FN (not saying FN is really sus). I'm really not sure how to read this. Still, I also don't think she'd be posting so much as new scum. TL
Tom-I'm going to wait on doing this one, as it will become obsolute as soon as Tom makes new reads, if he even does
Ness- I really don't know. Ness being like this is really an outlier for him, as town and as scum. Null
Ghostkid-I'm sorry, I really don't get why anybody is TRing him. Especially with this reads list

To awnser your question...wikipedia...also i read the hisyory of the game very interesting btw.
Ok heres what i think keep in mind these are not what i confirm just what i think
Punchy: im leaning twords mafia...he did get a little defensive it seems near the begining...dont know why though. But ill keep thinking on it
Ness vs Toads: Oh ho! Quite a ruckus you two made. Heres what i think i believe they are more close to town. Ness more so than toads tho. Ness did keep more of his cool during these arguments. But in the end i belive town for these two.
Tom: mafia. Idk about it but im going with my gut with thus one...not that ive seen him post enough to tell.
Everyone eles: so far i belive every one else is neutral at this point no one besides the ones above have stood out to me.

Honestly it's really bad. Why does he have Tom as maf? Ness really didn't keep his cool more? The Punchy read is valid, but 3/4 of these are misinterpretions, or straight up invalid at the point this was made. Moreover, pretty much every single on of his posts has been fluff. Literally the only thing that I like about him is shifting his position to what I feel was a marginally less popular one (punchy town to Punchy scum). Ultimately null
Heyden-I definetely need to read up on his past games, but I'm going to SLIGHTLY tl him because I don't really feel that he's delibrately put scum up in high positions in his early reads
Evan-I have honestly bunched back and forth on him, from believing that Tom and him are a potential team, to reasonably sure town. HOWEVER, one of the key facets of his scumplay is to keep his scummates to high up within his reads, which makes him really easy to find later on in the game. #218 is wishy-washy as all hell. If Ness or FN ends up being scum he needs to face scrutiny (especially in the case that it's Ness, his reasoning on Ness was weak as all hell). That being said, I also don't like his turnaround on FN to Punchy, from the beginning, it felt like he was reaching to get the lynch off of FN. Even when he said that he was down for an FN lynch, it felt like he was reaching for reasons to townread him

This in particular triggered me:

Dedenne: ?please explain why fire ninja is scummy, Punchy?

Punchy: ?OMG OMG OMG NINJA IS SCUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMYYYYY?

:thonking:

Evan/FN potential team

Dedenne-Null/Slight scumlean. They really haven't done anything to chance my opinion

Oath-null. Notably TLs Punchy. Attack on Dad for kinda a bad reason when he doesn't really sus him.

Gonna call it quits here anyway. Most of the rest are null/null-scumlean. Exceptions on that set would be TL Toads, IloveYou, and slight-TL Jacob

 

[amazonevan19]

Readssss (not in order within the headings)
Sorry if these are ?trash? but they?re my thoughts on every player in the game rn, and d1 reads are usually trash anyway


Townleans:
IloveYou: Very genuine tone and style, though I don?t necessarily agree with all of her points, she is at least making an active effort to scumhunt. Plus, the observation that people might have bandwagoned on her and Dolby?s discussion is quite perceptive, and I doubt scum would be going out of their way to let the dross rise to the service, so to speak.


Kammm: Same rationale as ILoveYou, but I think Kammm has also been particularly strong in pursuing specific leads and generating discussion. While I especially disagree with her reasoning on her Toads read (?he?s active so townread?), I think Kammm is probably my strongest townlean right now.


Ghostkid: I was a bit wary of his being super agreeable with some people at first, like he was cozying up or pocketing. But I doubt mafia would have been able to explain to him how to do that. He?s not trying to pull a Bianca and appear stupid/lost: he?s earnest and seeking to figure stuff out. I like that. I?d like some more concrete stances from him as opposed to just ?X person may or may not be mafia on my list,? but yeah he?s not playing half bad.


Fireninja: my weakest townlean. He was being kinda weird at first and didn?t get Punchy?s playstyle at all, but scum fireninja would be doing all he can to blend in and not attract attention.


Punchy: Sure he?s being super shifty with dedenne?s question, but I don?t see how this punchy is much different than prior punchy iterations, at least not yet. I read his early game interaction with FN as probably town vs. town. He?s not giving his reasons for the FN sus, continues to repeat that they?re obvious ? I think scum punchy would be coached to not be this dumb, at least I would hope?


Toadsworthy: very active yes, but like I said in my read of Kammm, just being active doesn?t mean one should get an automatic townread. The reason I?m Tring him despite his losing the argument with Ness is because after that whole kerfluffle, I think he?s been asking really good questions and pressing people. So far I am not seeing any ulterior motives/scum toads behavior, but that obviously could change



Null:

Ness: I disagree with dad?s case. It sounds kinda far-fetched. But it?s very unlike Ness to be this heavily reliant on AtE. While I felt he got the better of Toads in their fight, Ness is definitely a mixed bag to me.


Tom: Always does this day 1, his distate for day 1 is well known, but he is slipping towards scum as a dislike for day 1 does not mean you should be excused from giving any thoughts at all. I can?t recall a single position he?s taken on any player really.


Dad: He has a lot of content in his posts, as usual, so it?s great that he has a lot of clear, staked-out positions we can analyze?oh wait. For all his words, I fail to see many strong stances. Just a lot of observations. The Google notes thing idec about; do what you want to keep track of **** in this crazy game. He?s been taking sides more as of late, but rn I don?t see anything that screams town or scum to me. He?s just a big pile of ?there?


Locket: can barely remember her being here. Need more


Trundle: he?s def putting in a lot of effort, and I appreciate his transparency on trying to pocket, I mean, figure out Dolby d1, but focusing too much on a couple of players has me a bit wary.


Dolby: everyone?s tr?ing him and I get it. He usually does a good job of at least looking town and active. But am I just missing something, or has he been a lot less of a presence in the thread as of late? Probably IRL business or whatnot but I distinctly remember town Dolby as being much more of a bull in a china closet day 1; he seems a bit more muted rn.


Runeraider: A bit concerned Dolby has fairly quickly changed from ?he?s not acting his town self? to ?oh ok, he?s his town self now,? for seemingly little reason. No, Dolby, runeraider has not resumed being a town leader; if anything, he?s been more active in the thread for sure, but one reads list does not a town leader make. I am feeling a difference between him last game and this game, but it?s hard to put my finger on what exactly.



Mog: was only here beginning of the phase, need more


Panda: the only thing I remember about her is her appeals to ness to stay in the game?yeah idk, it?s hard to trust someone who?s not given many original thoughts or reads of her own


Dedenne2: why exactly is she scummy? Sure the whole ?day 2 reads? thing is kinda eh, but I don?t think that?s a strong warrant for scumreading/lynching. And she has been obsessed with Punchy but for pretty good reason ? punchy just flat out refuses to give any reasoning for his fireninja sus, and it?s honestly annoying


Gigalabesh ? has posted one or two times? But I can?t scumlean them like I can katezilla because those one to two posts haven?t really said anything ? katezilla?s posts have been pretty bad. I need more from you Gigalabesh, please post more and share your thoughts, or else I?ll have to sr you.


Heyden ? different from how I remember him playing as scum. He?s also just been kinda ?there?


Jacob ? same as Heyden



Scumlean:

Ryumia: Fireninja brought up a lot of good points and I think Ryumia is flying under the radar. Sheeping ik but yeah I?m just not digging Ryumia?s posts. Where is she btw?


Antonio: definitely detecting a difference between his one game of town meta and now. Much more reserved and sneaky. I don?t like it. Easy target yes, small sample size for meta yes, but when there?s as big a shift as what I?m seeing from Antonio right now, it?s definitely worthy for closer examination in later days or putting him up for a day 1 lynch.


Katezilla: two posts total I think? And like others have said, the RQ answers were barebones and her one other post was pretty bad. Inb4 she comes in with a sobby ?sorry I haven?t been here post,? sorry sister that won?t cut it. Actually try?


Glow: idk she?s always a really good player and can manipulate people easily, so I?m keeping my eyes on her. So far her contributions have been?decent I guess? Seems to really distrust dad, and I'm not sure I am liking what/who she is pressing. My weakest scumlean atm

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oh forgot oath, null for the same reasons as tom, always tries to coast d1 no matter what alignment

 

[Dolby]

"Fireninja: my weakest townlean"

*Proceeds to list two more TLs below, describing one of them (Punchy) on a level that could honestly be interpretted as null*

Evan, don't you remember how empty Rune was in APM? This is not scum him (yeah, he could change his playstyle, but really, this doesn't feel like his scum playstyle)

Also, EVERYBODY has been muted. This isn't really a commentary on your read on me, but the whole game, whihc I'm honestly kinda frustrated with since it makes reading all those 5 posters hard

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Also, when did you play with Tom

 

[Jacob]

I’m gonna say that I agree with Kayla that there are more than a few players who used our argument to try to appear to generate content

This is precisely the reason I wanted to see those players' opinions on Kammm's one post with priority lynching, I guess it's lost now because no one decided to respond (Mog, Ryumia and Toad) - I won't forget those names though.

Lynching a coaster is probably the best way of using priority lynch imo, but Oath and Tom being the candidates is really bad I think. They haven't actually given a lot of opinions to look further into. I'd say Mog and Panda are also coasting, I'm gonna isolate those two really soon to see if I can actually back up that claim with evidence.

 

[N e s s]

God damnit

Fine I'll stay in but I'm still done with mafia after this game. Ill post whatever later tonight, I think Antonio/Mog are suspicious but that is based off of practically skimming

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This is precisely the reason I wanted to see those players' opinions on Kammm's one post with priority lynching, I guess it's lost now because no one decided to respond (Mog, Ryumia and Toad) - I won't forget those names though.

Lynching a coaster is probably the best way of using priority lynch imo, but Oath and Tom being the candidates is really bad I think. They haven't actually given a lot of opinions to look further into. I'd say Mog and Panda are also coasting, I'm gonna isolate those two really soon to see if I can actually back up that claim with evidence.

hey we said Mog at the same time we're #confirmedscumteam

 

[PunchyTheCat]

ugh I want to ISO mog but I don't have the time

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well granted she has like 3 posts but

 

[Jacob]

God damnit

Fine I'll stay in but I'm still done with mafia after this game. Ill post whatever later tonight, I think Antonio/Mog are suspicious but that is based off of practically skimming

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hey we said Mog at the same time we're #confirmedscumteam

no it just means you're another one of my alts

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ugh I want to ISO mog but I don't have the time

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well granted she has like 3 posts but

cool way to think independently

 

[Ghostkid]

Ok im going to update my read list for a couple of people.
Tom: i said he was mafia before but that was mostly me agreeing with other people because i didnt know any better...now i want to believe hes possibly joker...he keeps saying he wants to be lynched...but...he still might be mafia...a joker wouldn't want to just come out and say he wants to be lynched. Tho people will know hes a joker and not lynch him...id say hes null for now.
FN: id say hes the real joker possibly...hes acting suspicious with the not disclosing stuff in the RQS and the trolling hes either bad mafia or a joker.

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Ok im going to update my read list for a couple of people.
Tom: i said he was mafia before but that was mostly me agreeing with other people because i didnt know any better...now i want to believe hes possibly joker...he keeps saying he wants to be lynched...but...he still might be mafia...a joker wouldn't want to just come out and say he wants to be lynched. Tho people will know hes a joker and not lynch him...id say hes null for now.
FN: id say hes the real joker possibly...hes acting suspicious with the not disclosing stuff in the RQS and the trolling hes either bad mafia or a joker.

 

[Geoni]

oath pulled the meta card the second he was accused of non contribution and there's really only two scenarios where that fits

So has Tom but you straight up exclude him if that's your reason. Again, Oath is an easy target and your response here makes me feel more certain about that. Why you don't suspect Tom for the same reason is curious.

uh? who else has posted so frequently about not posting their reads until later? saying it once is normal, i haven't noticed anyone say it more than that.

Wasn't talking about frequency, but people who said it and still apply. Panda and Locket.

it also leads to people forcing reads as town since they feel obligated to write something and it gives mafia an easy way to interact with their partners.

...wat

Evan read the last few pages and tell me I'm not taking stances. lol

Ness situation put to the side for a moment, I'd like to see a Ryumia or glow lynch at this point out of my scumpool. I'm placing my vote on glow because unlike Ryumia she has responded to what I've had to say about her/ask of her and I don't like it. Confirms that out of all the content on the board she's targeting convenient targets, although myself being arguable. If Ryumia has a terrible defense that looks more than struggling inexperienced player I may switch to her.

Anyways, actually getting some sleep now. Not much. :/