Gonna respond to recurring issues that Rune brought up instead of making another monolithic post responding point-by-point, though I will go point-by-point on one time comments
Not going to respond to each instance of Punchy abuse
just going to say that you can read any game Punchy is in and see that I skewer him over stupid stuff he says pretty much all the time. I def think he's town, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give him a free pass to pull anything he wants out of his ass
To clarify the stance I took on Fireninja: I stated that I understood Fireninja's vote for punchy, but FN's continuing to keep it long after it was established to be a joke was pretty scummy. Despite the scumminess of the act of voting Punchy, though, I townread FN due to meta. It looks contradictory ik, but I can have two thoughts in my head at the same time. FN's action was scummy yes, but I'm mainly relying on what I know about FN's scum and town metas to make my read on him.
On Giga: I did not like ILY's hyperobsession with inactives 2 seconds after the game started, even though I think she's town. So that's why I called her out on it. And when Giga just came in and randomly voted antonio, with no reasoning behind it, that really set my alarm bells off. So I proposed going after Giga. Sure I earlier said that I didn't want to vote an inactive or someone not in the thread. Well, Giga was in the thread, was active, and did something super scummy, so they became a prime sus for me. Essentially the vote came down to a buffet of noobishly scummy options, and that's why I went between Kate and Ryumia. I already explained my feelings about Kate and Ryumia in my reads so I didn't feel the need to repeat that EoD
not much to say, just a mention of reading stuff and a question. could be to feign ignorance about the game to seem more towny but thats a bit of a stretch. it feels kinda weird that evan, a player i pinned down as more active and involved than most, would arrive at the thread so late but thats not really allignment indicative so w/e.
I did this last game somewhat as well, and like you said it's not really alignment indicative
kinda weird that he felt the need to interject his thoughts when everything he said had already been brung up, except his specific reads on ness vs toad (version 1) and fireninja vs punchy which were still the same as some other ones before him, but he did stuff like that last game so its probably nothing. it could be he read all of the posts already and made sure his opinions lined up with the general consensus, but i doubt it tbh. if he is scum i wouldnt be surprised if he at least took notice of other peoples reads, as his reads are similar to a lot of peoples at that time, but it could just be bc he believes them so i wont put too much stock into it.
keep his disagreement with kaylas stance on inactive reading in mind tho, itll come into play later on.
again, when I try to catch up on 20+ pages I often just put a short post with where I have read up to and my thoughts on the matters at hand. Sure they generally aligned with consensus at the time, but I'm not going to disagree for the sake of disagreement if I legitimately don't disagree, lmao.
very indecisive reads all around. the only thing he really said which was original was the part about his thoughts on glow vs dad, and he didnt really end with a conclusive read on either of them either. while it would be easy to say that its just d1 reads and leave it at that, the thing that concerns me is that he really doesnt seem to have an opinion on anything related to scumhunting, with his only real opinions being to not prinicple lynch inactives and who won the argument between ness and toad, not taking into account the allignments of the players. the only things i could call scumhunting is his slight tl on ness, which is indecisive enough to backpedal on, and him saying hes down for a fireninja lynch, which he then backpedals on in the next sentence. overall a very fillery post without much contributions at all.
I suppose this is true, I wasn't really saying anything related to scumhunting right then. I wanted to comment on the main thread happenings and was still trying to formulate opinions on the playerbase as a whole.
grilling fireninja for his previous actions, which id be ok with on its on but in the context of his previous reads of him as a possible scum member, it feels more off. like what i said about toads and his 'reaction test' on punchy before, this could be a potential attempt to get a rise out of fireninja and start a bw on him. it could just be a normal town aggresive reaction test, but i feel like the aggresiveness of the 'unvote punchy' bit is enough to sound like a threat, even tho hes already said he can understand the logic behind it.
also getting annoyed at him for no content when he hasnt provided much content himself lol
I said that to FN because I wanted him to stop ****ing around and unvote punchy, since we had already long known that Punchy was just being silly at that point. I wanted FN to actually produce something useful. Sure I hadn't given metric tons of content myself, but what I had given at that point was certainly better than FN's dodgy non-answers.
first part could be a potential defense of scummate tom, who i already kinda sr. probably a reach but im putting it out there.
second part feels like it could be him trying to make it seem like his posts have more impact on the game than they actually do, artificially inflating peoples assessment of his contributions? (bit of a stretch lol) or its probably just more pressure on fireninja, either trying to get a reaction out of him as town or a bad reaction as maf. basically an extension of last post.
I didn't defend Tom. I simply stated that Tom's D1 meta is always the same and it's useless trying to get anything of worth out of him D1, whether by pressuring or lynching...so we should look at other candidates. And I asked if FN changed cuz he wanted to or because of me because I wanted to see if FN really had changed his mind or was just doing so due to pressure. If it was the latter rather than the former, I'd have been a bit concerned
im pretty sure that this post is calling out punchy for potentially tunnelling fireninja, while simultaniously getting annoyed at toad for tunnelling him. i can understand the logic but i feel like punchy could still be annoyed at toad for tunnelling him while tunnelling fireninja if he really believes hes scum. this could be an attempt at getting punchy sussed but i think that scum evan would already know that this kind of dumb behavious is kind of a towntell for punchy at this point and wouldnt risk it, so im just gonna say this post is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and move on.
When...did I ever scumread Punchy? How many times have I said that I think punchy is town due to their behavior? Again, just because I townread you, that does not mean I'm going to let up if you say stupid ****. If you're being a hypocrite, I'm probably going to call you out. And that's what I was doing there. Punchy was getting mad over something he himself was doing.
very standard and noncommittal, only 10 out of 24 players had any kind of lean. pretty much everything he said in the list was already stated before him except for maybe the thing about glow. overall id say that the reads dont really contribute much to the game, and it kinda reminds me of amandas big reads post from last game which alerted me to her scumminess.
I mean, they are d1 reads, and I can't really respond to a subjective comparison to Amanda's reads. It's what I think about the players and if you don't like it cuz it's too similar to the prevailing views, then w/e. Not going to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian
also nice kinda sorta omgus there lol, im not misrepresenting u
Where the hell did I sus you for pressuring me lol? "Kinda sorta omgus there" uhh no?? Tell me where I said you were scummy or where I tried to get people to think you were scum. Saying you misrepresented what I did (which you did) is not a scumread in any universe. I've never said you're scummy because of your pressure on me. I've said I distrust you because you seem to be playing differently than last game...
no explanation of why he switched from kate to ryu, most likely just trying to ride the bw which looks the most effective atm. as for why he didnt just switch to dedenne, i think its bc he was trying to be more consistent with his susses, and thought that switching to dedenne would be too much of a scumtell for him to try.
Again, I already said why I thought kate and ryu were sus, and I didn't switch to dedenne because I wanted to lynch a scummier option. Dedenne was null to me and I wanted to off a scumlean.
not really too sure what this post is about, its kinda unclear to me. i guess hes saying that they should work together as a team? this post feels like its trying to manipulate people into thinking hes their friend, with mentions of 'we' and the idea of working together, when in this case working together means everyone piling onto one bw, preferably his. youll see this more in his later posts.
At this point in the lynch, it was very close, and one or two more votes could have tied the outcome...or another blitz vote could have happened. (Looking back, it was kind of dumb to think that mafia would blitz d1 but w/e). So I wanted to prevent a vote tie first and foremost, cuz with that we'd pretty much learn nothing, and obviously I then wanted to get the vote onto a better candidate.
vaguely states that the d1 votes could contain some kind of info worth analysing, which i disagree with since most if not all of the people who voted for dedenne are most likely misled town in my mind, and the rest of the votes were mostly people away at day end. could be an attempt to make himself look likes hes scumhunting when hes really just throwing terms out there. another potential case of hollow contributions
Uhm yes the d1 vote does have some issues worth analyzing, and when I posted that I hadn't gone over the thread and tried to connect dots yet. "people away at day end" could definitely be mafs flipping around trying to confuse town. Any vote outcome is worth examining more closely. Sure D1 could have limited information, but if you don't at least dig for that information, then how can you know for sure?
again, trying to devalue my argument against him when it hasnt been fully developed, and is both defensive and not giving any reasons for his defense other than he was busy.
Because saying I'm scum since I said "we" is a pretty piss-poor argument, and if that was what your case against me was going to be about, I wanted to inoculate it beforehand.
could be trying to downplay the importance of the lynch? maybe he knows smth about scum powers we dont. most likely just not alignment indicative tho
It's just factually true that villager death > blue death in terms of better outcomes. It sucks, yes, but I wanted to remind Heyden that because he seemed really bummed about it, when it could have been a lot worse
flip flop back to dumb town reading them from wanting them dead before, pretty weird especially since none of them are actually in danger of being modkilled yet, having only recieved a warning so far. might be a sign of scummates within those three players
I mean, if you think I'd openly defend three of the most widely sussed and inactive people in the game, then lol. If one person is being super inactive then ok, I can understand that. But two or three people acting almost the same exact way? It'd be pretty suicidal for all three to be scum, doing the exact same thing, because town could way more easily isolate them for lynch that way...I still think they're all likely scum, but the question is which one(s)? Chances are one of them are town...even though we have nothing to really confirm either way what they are
brings up a good point about glow tbh, earns a few points for that.
the flip on ness from his tl near the start of the game worries me a bit tho, since im pretty sure its all but confirmed that at least the initial emotion he experienced wasnt an ate, and its pretty easy to see where his change in behaviour came from.
Uhh I didn't change my Ness read. In fact, if you paid attention, I found that the AtEs only solidified my town read of Ness, despite his playstyle here differing from what I've seen in both town and scum Ness.
overall i think that evan is slightly to moderately scummy, mostly for his random read on gig with no explanation behind it, his mostly unoriginal and fillery content and his flip flopping on multiple subjects, including punchy and his srs, antonio and ryu. however, his newer posts have showed promise, so my read would definitely be subject to change over time
as for whether i think he would be lynch worthy, i definitely wouldnt be against it, but i would rather he had some time to defend himself and differentiate his reads before we kill him off
I get what you're saying here, but I also find it weird that you are ambivalent about my lynch even though you sr me
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well rip it still turned out huge anyway
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will update reads after the kill(s)
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About amazonevan19:
Something that I need to bring up again is the fact that he chose to call me out for repetition rather than those constantly repeating Dolby's arguments for content. How can you call out one, but not the others ? It didn't make sense for any of them to be re-hashing the "donuts lynch inactives" arguments considering how past it we already were. So why did you choose to call me out when I was simply responding to what was being put out there by those players who couldn't find anything else to provide to the discussion other than that seemingly pro-Town stance behind a deemed "leaning Town" player ?
I called you out for two things.
(1) Being super alarmed about inactives when the game had just started.
(2) Perpetuating the conversation.
Point 1 is still definitely valid and is a legitimate grievance. Point 2 is, as you've shown, and I've agreed, is not a legitimate grievance since you were simply responding to people who were rehashing points. I'm not calling those people out because I don't want to rehash already rehashed content. If I felt it was super scummy that they rehashed, I'd have called them out. But I didn't. Hell, I townread you even though I disagreed with your initial "everyone panic over inactives" argument. And now those same people who you were concerned about at first are still pretty suspiciously inactive, so either way it's a moot point I think...since being inactive at THIS point in the game is where I'm concerned. I'm not super concerned a few hours into d1 whether you're inactive or not; we all have lives
