Nah, B makes sense. Antonio was going to be defended by more of the more active players as the game went on, and the oppertunity to push him up was now and now only. Dedenne was going to be sus for awhile if she didn't change something up. It's kinda how maf all pushed ITYW on D1 in Murder mafia because ITYW's lynch wouldn't be viable in the future, and Punchy's would continue to be viable (and he ended up being lynched the next day)
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Nah, B makes sense. Antonio was going to be defended by more of the more active players as the game went on, and the oppertunity to push him up was now and now only. Dedenne was going to be sus for awhile if she didn't change something up. It's kinda how maf all pushed ITYW on D1 in Murder mafia because ITYW's lynch wouldn't be viable in the future, and Punchy's would continue to be viable (and he ended up being lynched the next day)
amazonevan19
DLELELEWOOOOP
I think it was pretty certain Dedenne was going to be lynched about 3:50 pm. (EoD was 5:00 pm) Pages 56-57 the people who were voting dedenne were pretty set on keeping their votes on her, except for the motion to blitz Tom. But they actually didn't change so yeah. There was some last minute anti-Dedenne chaos but it wasn't enough to sway
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*anti Dedenne vote
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
If you think thats the way mafia thinks, you give them too much credit... when I'm mafia all I care about is me and my team surviving the lynch. If you think they are willing to risk anonymity for a stupid switch like that, you're crazy.
Alright, the votes today actually did one good thing in that it kinda revealed alignments
First of all Fireninja, I'm actually townreading him for his swapskedoodle of his votes today. Why? I don't really see any benefit for mafia to switch around their votes from somebody who's behind in the votes, to another somebody who's not in the votes. The only situation which I can see scumFire doing this is in the hypothetical situation in which he is scum with Antonio, but I personally feel that he would've piled onto Dedenne there. As I stated earlier, if he was going to strategy vote for a wagon that was behind, it would prob be Antonio's assuming Antonio is town. Same kinda goes for Evan, but I can see him doing that as mafia in a way I don't see FN doing it.
Tom and Oath really need to ****ing step it up in all honesty
Seriously, the fact that Locket was cast to the side so easily is honestly kinda scum indicative towards. I'm TRing Antonio purely because I feel that if he was scum the maf team would try to deflect onto Locket (whom the argument against Antonio applied to even more), but she just kept on being burried.
That being said, I really don't feel that this is town Glow. She is far more snarky, but more importantly, really dismissive of pretty much everything. Her tunnel on Dad also feels really unnatural to me. It feels that she's been going at it in lieu of making any genuine content.
For simplicity's state, I'm going to assume that mafia were satisfied keeping their votes where they were
Townleans
Iloveyou
Toads
Fire
Antonio-I feel if mafia didnt want him lynched, they'd redirect to Locket in the intial discussion when we had two hours left (unless they're both maf, and know, I can't rule that out, but I am for simplicity)
Rune
Dad-purely because I don't like Glow rn
Ever so slightly above null
Punchy
Trundle
Kamm
The Riff-Raff
Tom
Ghost
Heyden
Evan
Oath
Kate
Jacob-yeah, I feel like my TL on him earlier was kinda stupid
Mog
Ryu
Panda
Gig
Glow
Ness
Locket
I'm going to sort "The Riff-Raff" into three separate catagories: Those I am comfortable leaving around, those who need more content/possibly could be modkilled, and those which I find concerning (this does not neccessarily mean sus (particularly with regard to Ness and Evan)). This part isn't really intended to be a full reads list, but a place for me to pick up tomorrow
Comfortable
Panda-idk, she's really reminded me of SU2 while I skimmed this
Mog
Ghost
Heyden
Jacob
Need more content
Tom
Oath
Kate
Ryu
Gig
Concerning
Ness
Glow
Locket-idk, this is kinda weird of her to be this quiet, in comparison to last game
Evan-this is definetely the one that I'm weirdest on. He honestly seems alright, but something inside me makes me feel weird about him for some reason.
First of all Fireninja, I'm actually townreading him for his swapskedoodle of his votes today. Why? I don't really see any benefit for mafia to switch around their votes from somebody who's behind in the votes, to another somebody who's not in the votes. The only situation which I can see scumFire doing this is in the hypothetical situation in which he is scum with Antonio, but I personally feel that he would've piled onto Dedenne there. As I stated earlier, if he was going to strategy vote for a wagon that was behind, it would prob be Antonio's assuming Antonio is town. Same kinda goes for Evan, but I can see him doing that as mafia in a way I don't see FN doing it.
Tom and Oath really need to ****ing step it up in all honesty
Seriously, the fact that Locket was cast to the side so easily is honestly kinda scum indicative towards. I'm TRing Antonio purely because I feel that if he was scum the maf team would try to deflect onto Locket (whom the argument against Antonio applied to even more), but she just kept on being burried.
Can highly relate to this frustration. I still honestly hold a grudge against her for fakeclaiming to save Evan in FNAF, and then trying to get me lynched
That being said, I really don't feel that this is town Glow. She is far more snarky, but more importantly, really dismissive of pretty much everything. Her tunnel on Dad also feels really unnatural to me. It feels that she's been going at it in lieu of making any genuine content.
For simplicity's state, I'm going to assume that mafia were satisfied keeping their votes where they were
Townleans
Iloveyou
Toads
Fire
Antonio-I feel if mafia didnt want him lynched, they'd redirect to Locket in the intial discussion when we had two hours left (unless they're both maf, and know, I can't rule that out, but I am for simplicity)
Rune
Dad-purely because I don't like Glow rn
Ever so slightly above null
Punchy
Trundle
Kamm
The Riff-Raff
Tom
Ghost
Heyden
Evan
Oath
Kate
Jacob-yeah, I feel like my TL on him earlier was kinda stupid
Mog
Ryu
Panda
Gig
Glow
Ness
Locket
I'm going to sort "The Riff-Raff" into three separate catagories: Those I am comfortable leaving around, those who need more content/possibly could be modkilled, and those which I find concerning (this does not neccessarily mean sus (particularly with regard to Ness and Evan)). This part isn't really intended to be a full reads list, but a place for me to pick up tomorrow
Comfortable
Panda-idk, she's really reminded me of SU2 while I skimmed this
Mog
Ghost
Heyden
Jacob
Need more content
Tom
Oath
Kate
Ryu
Gig
Concerning
Ness
Glow
Locket-idk, this is kinda weird of her to be this quiet, in comparison to last game
Evan-this is definetely the one that I'm weirdest on. He honestly seems alright, but something inside me makes me feel weird about him for some reason.
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
And I re-read murder of woodpines scum chat, they didn't plan anything like that
Well, it worked for them last game, and it's the way I think often (also, switching from town to town really doesn't look so bad to most townies later on into the game)
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Ok, I was giving them to much credit then
I think I was thinking of a message that I wrote that the Waffles wagon was so obviously scum driven regardless of what Punchy was
toadsworthy
Tangsworthy
and dolby why are you posting reads right now?
Why shouldn’t I? Every other game game it feels that I get somebody questioning my placing out reads at night. Truth is, I don’t really care if it makes me a kill target. I’ve had it called anti-town behavior even though it isn’t. Placing out reads every time I can helps town by placing out all the thoughts I have before I can forget them
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Every other meaning like about half the time
Antonio's on invisible but he's been online elsewhere on discord so I see no reason why he's not on this thread. And Kate is lurking immensely, I've seen her on the thread a few times but has said nothing.
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Honestly I feel like the lynch didn't matter, whether it was Dedenne or Antonio the more I think about it. I would've much preferred Antonio though seeming as Dedenne was sort of following her meta imo but in retrospect I didn't really care at the time honestly.
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didn't matter as in scum weren't worried in defending anyone from a lynch
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To be fair, Locket was only super active last game cos she was essentially town leader after she claimed JoaT. Every other game she's played in she's been a townie and sort of has the same level of activity right now. I haven't read her posts yet but I do recall something about her RQS being ominous so I'll look into that tomorrow arvo or tonight if I have time.
amazonevan19
DLELELEWOOOOP
1) You seem to be excusing yourself from suspecting Tom based on tone. Yes, Tom seems to not care more, but both Tom and Oath are both very inactive and lacking in contribution but what they share in common in tone is that they rest easy on how a lot of people are not considering them as lynch candidates over their lack of contribution because of meta they are known to have for some of us who played with them in more recent years. Can you point out hesitation from Oath specifically? And are you just going to ignore that Tom was possibly trying to buddy up with me in regards to Ness? Because he did not give much reason as to why he was wanting to follow me on a Ness lynch.
2) But it is scummy if they do it multiple times? You still feel sure about that now? Honestly I don't wholly disagree with that if just because it makes them come off as worried but when an inexperienced player does it, you have to consider that they are still learning how to form reads, especially in a game with 24 other players. And that is where I see your choice to go after Dedenne potentially being predation on weakness in a game where coasting is at the forefront of discussion.
3) A fair point if what you are saying here is that forced reads are harder to read into if it has to do with exhausting people to the point where they are too tired to read into a read to see if it's forced. If that isn't what you are saying then idek what you're trying to get at here because you are also saying your concern is it being done by town. Honestly? I'm not done with the google doc but I'm not going to exhaust myself any further with posting reads through it and making a town with a lot of new players have to read so much.
4) I don't see how going after Ness was going after an easy target when Ness has demonstrated that he can rebound from emotional moments in past games, a lot of people were reading it as town vs town, and it doesn't reflect well among those who personally invest in other players as friends when I am throwing punches at a person who is already bruised and defeated. Yes, there is vulnerability here, but it doesn't compare to the ease of your targets who have not provided great content, are people who cannot defend themselves against a lynch all that well, and are easy to come to a conclusion about when it comes to deciding who to vote to lynch. Oath and Dedenne don't have a lot of posts to read through. Why do I not see myself as an exception at that moment? Because my posts were so monumental and multiple people had aired that they see a lot of it as archiving the obvious and thus fluffy so new players can easily be convinced to shrug off the responsibility of reading my posts in light of that and bandwagon a vote against me. And I also demonstrated an incapability to defend myself from a lynch because you posted that think I should be considered for a lynch (not just scumread) after I posted that I would not be very available until EoD or possibly after EoD due to irl once I went to bed.
5) I will answer for myself: I see Dolby and you as people who are read as people they would fearkill and are strong players with a lot of leading potential, so that already makes it inconvenient. And then you have people like Kayla, Rune, Dolby (again), and to many people who have expressed that the argument was town vs town, Toads and Ness are townread by a decent number of players as well.
And I will repeat that I don't like how you didn't vote. You felt galvanized against three people in the game, had enough time to make the posts that you had Day 1, and from past games I have played with you I recall that you are at least consistent when it comes to voting when you are town.
amazonevan19
DLELELEWOOOOP
It's posts like these ^ that are making me start to trust dad a bit more. Glow just seems really off to me this game and I def think dad has the upper hand in his battle with her. I'm just hoping he'll start focusing on more players instead of tunneling glow so much
I don't care if I end up coming off as tunnely because judging from how nobody seemed to read her after I shared this criticism and still weren't really reading her even after Dedenne flipped green so I feel justified in making a scene out of my ongoing argument with her.
I think I have already provided a lot of thoughts on people I suspect through various posts last night after my second wall and I have only seen minimal reaction to them (agreement, disagreement, what have you), but I do intend on updating sus people with what can be gathered from the lynch sometime tonight.
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llloool I am looking at the vote thread and I noticed that Tom also voted for himself.
glow said this in defense of those who voted for Dedenne when Ness was discussing what a person voting for themselves might signify and with this being such a strongly asserted belief, I expect glow to at least say something about Tom doing it.
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Of all the people who voted for Dedenne, mog is the one with the most experience, so I feel like that's something to consider when it comes to people who sheep that have less experience reading into people vs a person who does and still sheeped Dedenne of all people.
Honestly Punchy was all over the place, voting for four different people (one being a joke apparently). Has his town meta reflected that?
Kamm I need to iso to feel sure, but given some of her agreement with lynching among inactives (particularly people whose substance is lacking when they do), she seems like the target audience for presenting Dedenne as an optimal lynch, so given she is new I am on the fence about just straight up scumreading her because she sheeped this.
The more I think about it I'm probably gonna drop Antonio to my nulls. If he was actually scum I feel like his team mates would be under paranoia to lose him, forcing him to post a defence or something to avoid being lynched. Having a 5 scum team is honestly much more stressful than a 4 scum team, and it's crucial to keep everyone alive (especially especially day 1) as losing a member will already drop your KP, so the lack of activity from Antonio despite obviously lurking makes me feel a tiny bit better about him.
Rune and Panda were very proactive in helping town near end of day in my opinion, their tone felt really genuine and natural than sounding forced and awkward. I townlean these guys I guess.
The Dad vs Glow fiasco is honestly a wreck already, I feel like this is the 3rd game they're having a go at each other so early in the game and they both ended up town in the last 2 games anyway. Right now I'm leaning onto Dad's side not only because of his arguments but his play so far feels involved and motivated to assist town. Glow feels a bit distanced idk but she's always like that D1.
My scumreads right now are Tom/Kate/Locket/Jacob, the last 2 I only really put in because nothing from their posts really scream town yet, and I haven't had the time or motivation to nitpick their posts yet. Of course, things will change overnight depending on who dies but I'm just stating for the record.
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Anyway, Dad how confident are you in Glow being scum compared to previous games where you sussed her and she flipped town? Same question can be directed at Glow I guess too.
Rune and Panda were very proactive in helping town near end of day in my opinion, their tone felt really genuine and natural than sounding forced and awkward. I townlean these guys I guess.
The Dad vs Glow fiasco is honestly a wreck already, I feel like this is the 3rd game they're having a go at each other so early in the game and they both ended up town in the last 2 games anyway. Right now I'm leaning onto Dad's side not only because of his arguments but his play so far feels involved and motivated to assist town. Glow feels a bit distanced idk but she's always like that D1.
My scumreads right now are Tom/Kate/Locket/Jacob, the last 2 I only really put in because nothing from their posts really scream town yet, and I haven't had the time or motivation to nitpick their posts yet. Of course, things will change overnight depending on who dies but I'm just stating for the record.
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Anyway, Dad how confident are you in Glow being scum compared to previous games where you sussed her and she flipped town? Same question can be directed at Glow I guess too.
how exactly do i seem off lmao
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ugh what even is this post it sounds so weird
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its so tryhard-y and toneless
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also dad does have a habit of tvt'ing me, i forgot about that lmao
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i lost motivation for this game bc i lost motivation for life
ama if i live tho!!!!
alright, heres the iso on evan i promised : ) these reads are probably gonna come off as tunneling, bc i try to find something scummy about pretty much anything. im doing this bc it helps to get all my thoughts about his possible actions out there, but it could be misinterpreted as me thinking everything hes doing is scummy when im really just speculating about a lot of it with a few strong points. to try and combat this, im gonna underline smth when its a major point which is a main contributor to my scumlean to show my main argument more effectively
(not sure how to do spoilers so im just gonna leave it as a wall)
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not much to say, just a mention of reading stuff and a question. could be to feign ignorance about the game to seem more towny but thats a bit of a stretch. it feels kinda weird that evan, a player i pinned down as more active and involved than most, would arrive at the thread so late but thats not really allignment indicative so w/e.
kinda weird that he felt the need to interject his thoughts when everything he said had already been brung up, except his specific reads on ness vs toad (version 1) and fireninja vs punchy which were still the same as some other ones before him, but he did stuff like that last game so its probably nothing. it could be he read all of the posts already and made sure his opinions lined up with the general consensus, but i doubt it tbh. if he is scum i wouldnt be surprised if he at least took notice of other peoples reads, as his reads are similar to a lot of peoples at that time, but it could just be bc he believes them so i wont put too much stock into it.
keep his disagreement with kaylas stance on inactive reading in mind tho, itll come into play later on.
very indecisive reads all around. the only thing he really said which was original was the part about his thoughts on glow vs dad, and he didnt really end with a conclusive read on either of them either. while it would be easy to say that its just d1 reads and leave it at that, the thing that concerns me is that he really doesnt seem to have an opinion on anything related to scumhunting, with his only real opinions being to not prinicple lynch inactives and who won the argument between ness and toad, not taking into account the allignments of the players. the only things i could call scumhunting is his slight tl on ness, which is indecisive enough to backpedal on, and him saying hes down for a fireninja lynch, which he then backpedals on in the next sentence. overall a very fillery post without much contributions at all.
reiterating his opinion that fireninja could have voted for punchy bc of his lack of experience playing with him. again, other people, including myself, have already stated this but that could be just bc its the generally correct position to take, and i def dont expect him to outright sl fireninja or smth.
first part is about the notes thing, which i already spoke about before
second part is about how hes calling her out for the lynching inactives thing, even though he knows its already been discussed to death. this is kinda weird, since if u know its been discussed to death and want kayla to stop talking about it, why would u not just tell her to stop instead of pointing out ur disagreement with it again? this is more about his play rather than anything allignment indicative tho, so i can give it a pass, with the only thing i can really say is that it might be attempting to look like hes being active by talking about already discussed topics.
thinks that ryumia is trying to protect fireninja, even tho she says in the quote that she thinks its pretty dumb, calling it a 'supposed reasoning' and that she only likes one thing about the reasoning:
this feels like hes trying to further paint fireninja as possible scum, and ryumia as his possible scummate, and im not sure if i could see town evan being this off about her intentions. pretty odd but nothing too scummy yet, it could just be explained as a mistake or a misunderstanding.
grilling fireninja for his previous actions, which id be ok with on its on but in the context of his previous reads of him as a possible scum member, it feels more off. like what i said about toads and his 'reaction test' on punchy before, this could be a potential attempt to get a rise out of fireninja and start a bw on him. it could just be a normal town aggresive reaction test, but i feel like the aggresiveness of the 'unvote punchy' bit is enough to sound like a threat, even tho hes already said he can understand the logic behind it.
also getting annoyed at him for no content when he hasnt provided much content himself lol
first part could be a potential defense of scummate tom, who i already kinda sr. probably a reach but im putting it out there.
second part feels like it could be him trying to make it seem like his posts have more impact on the game than they actually do, artificially inflating peoples assessment of his contributions? (bit of a stretch lol) or its probably just more pressure on fireninja, either trying to get a reaction out of him as town or a bad reaction as maf. basically an extension of last post.
jab at punchy, doesnt really contribute to scumhunting or anything but its not allignment indicative so w/e
first part is saying that voting early is scummy, citing fireninja as his example, which kinda confuses me bc he said that he believes that fireninja had an understandable reason for the vote here:
which should mean that he thinks its not scummy but now he does? but then later in the post he says he can understand the idk my only explanation for this flip flop is that he realised that if things kept going as is then fireninja could be a potential bw target for scum, while leaving himself a backdoor through him saying he understand the reason if fireninja turns out to be towny. this inconsistent reasoning is really offputting for me.
the second part is him saying that he would be annoyed if punchy flips town, which i think means he sls him at the point? which is really weird after punchy acted the same as last game which wasted towns time, smth he should remember all too well.
im pretty sure that this post is calling out punchy for potentially tunnelling fireninja, while simultaniously getting annoyed at toad for tunnelling him. i can understand the logic but i feel like punchy could still be annoyed at toad for tunnelling him while tunnelling fireninja if he really believes hes scum. this could be an attempt at getting punchy sussed but i think that scum evan would already know that this kind of dumb behavious is kind of a towntell for punchy at this point and wouldnt risk it, so im just gonna say this post is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and move on.
meaningless post potentially attempting to make him look like a helpful contributer to town. idk not much else to say
like half of evans posts every game are bullying punchy lmao. not really allignment telling for reasons explained above
see above
very standard and noncommittal, only 10 out of 24 players had any kind of lean. pretty much everything he said in the list was already stated before him except for maybe the thing about glow. overall id say that the reads dont really contribute much to the game, and it kinda reminds me of amandas big reads post from last game which alerted me to her scumminess.
responding to a question with a very standard answer, antonio and ryumia were already widely sussed at this point. this post isnt really allignment indicative but he did only post when asked too so it could be another sign of feigning creating content.
only putting this to give myself a feeling of completion at having put in all the posts, otherwise not allignment indicative unless u think it could be another case of feigning ignorance about the game
oooooof. ok so in this post evan is saying in a really noncommital way that gig could be a potential lynch target, completely out of the blue with no reasoning to back it up. the best i can come up with as a town reason is that he thinks that gig could be a mafia who came back to the thread in time to vote for a player. the reason this doesnt make sense and i wouldnt expect it from a player like evan is that its literally impossible to get a read on gig at this stage of the game, what with having posted like 4 times at this point. he even says something akin to this in his own read:
the fact that he was able to get a scumlean off of a post like this:
kind of astounds me. the only explanation i can see is that hes scum trying to get a bw on gig, maybe bc one of his teammates is on the list to get lynched (antonio? idk) i wouldve thought that town evan wouldve provided a bit more reasoning for a decision like this, but its most likely bc hes scum and he couldnt actually think of a reason which wouldntve raised suspicion against him for reaching. this whole post screams maf potenially trying to turn conversation away from a team member and onto someone else.
this post is probably the one which raises my suspicions the most tbh
stating stuff hes already said before, so at least hes kinda inconsistent. the gig lynch option is mysteriously gone tho. maybe he realised it was too much of a scumtell?
this is in response to my initial reaction to his gig post. he said that he sussed gig for their sudden activity, which could easily be explained by either them realising that they needed to vote before the day ended, or them being told to check the thread by someone who knows them, like panda, something which i already knew was a thing by checking gigs profile to see their posts, something i guess evan neglected to do?
he also refers to gig as his top sus, which is pretty weird considering how little changed since his null post. and if ur going to say that u sus gig bc of his continued inactivity, then id point to ur argument with kayla over not killing inactive players just bc theyre inactive.
this posts screams of backpeddaling his original post after realising its scumminess. hell, half of the post is just showing off how much he isnt scumreading gig, saying hes voting for either kate or ryumia instead. really big red flag imo
also nice kinda sorta omgus there lol, im not misrepresenting u
bullying punchy with a hint of trying the devalue the lynch against him
no explanation of why he switched from kate to ryu, most likely just trying to ride the bw which looks the most effective atm. as for why he didnt just switch to dedenne, i think its bc he was trying to be more consistent with his susses, and thought that switching to dedenne would be too much of a scumtell for him to try.
bullying punchy, w/e (im not saying this is bad persay, at least its not allignment indicative. just saying it might be fillery or w/e)
first part is trying to get more people to join the ryu bandwagon, even tho he says he doesnt like that shes not here to defend herself.
second part is calling out gig, potentially trying to justify his earlier posts
not really too sure what this post is about, its kinda unclear to me. i guess hes saying that they should work together as a team? this post feels like its trying to manipulate people into thinking hes their friend, with mentions of 'we' and the idea of working together, when in this case working together means everyone piling onto one bw, preferably his. youll see this more in his later posts.
the bullying punchy and 'we' language two for one special
vaguely states that the d1 votes could contain some kind of info worth analysing, which i disagree with since most if not all of the people who voted for dedenne are most likely misled town in my mind, and the rest of the votes were mostly people away at day end. could be an attempt to make himself look likes hes scumhunting when hes really just throwing terms out there. another potential case of hollow contributions
again, trying to devalue my argument against him when it hasnt been fully developed, and is both defensive and not giving any reasons for his defense other than he was busy.
could be trying to downplay the importance of the lynch? maybe he knows smth about scum powers we dont. most likely just not alignment indicative tho
not really indicative of anything, except another call out at gig
flip flop back to dumb town reading them from wanting them dead before, pretty weird especially since none of them are actually in danger of being modkilled yet, having only recieved a warning so far. might be a sign of scummates within those three players
answering my question, w/e
brings up a good point about glow tbh, earns a few points for that.
the flip on ness from his tl near the start of the game worries me a bit tho, since im pretty sure its all but confirmed that at least the initial emotion he experienced wasnt an ate, and its pretty easy to see where his change in behaviour came from.
some admittedly decent analysis of the votes, although it could just a likely be a bunch of hot air made to disguise the scum teams real plan. this post feels more town than scum tho.
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im honestly less sure about my read than before i started this lol
overall i think that evan is slightly to moderately scummy, mostly for his random read on gig with no explanation behind it, his mostly unoriginal and fillery content and his flip flopping on multiple subjects, including punchy and his srs, antonio and ryu. however, his newer posts have showed promise, so my read would definitely be subject to change over time
as for whether i think he would be lynch worthy, i definitely wouldnt be against it, but i would rather he had some time to defend himself and differentiate his reads before we kill him off
hopefully thats good enough for expressing my thoughts lol
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wow thats long, maybe tina can edit in a spoiler? idk
(not sure how to do spoilers so im just gonna leave it as a wall)
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not much to say, just a mention of reading stuff and a question. could be to feign ignorance about the game to seem more towny but thats a bit of a stretch. it feels kinda weird that evan, a player i pinned down as more active and involved than most, would arrive at the thread so late but thats not really allignment indicative so w/e.
kinda weird that he felt the need to interject his thoughts when everything he said had already been brung up, except his specific reads on ness vs toad (version 1) and fireninja vs punchy which were still the same as some other ones before him, but he did stuff like that last game so its probably nothing. it could be he read all of the posts already and made sure his opinions lined up with the general consensus, but i doubt it tbh. if he is scum i wouldnt be surprised if he at least took notice of other peoples reads, as his reads are similar to a lot of peoples at that time, but it could just be bc he believes them so i wont put too much stock into it.
keep his disagreement with kaylas stance on inactive reading in mind tho, itll come into play later on.
OK so I have taken a break from Extreme Makeover: Gardening Edition and have been able to catch up on the thread entirely. Here are my thoughts:
ILoveYou, we get the point you?re making about inactives, stop repeating it please because at this point it?s a moot issue and as you said, can allow people to latch on and appear townie. We get it, let?s move on
Glow is usually a very perceptive player and she?s already SR?d Dad over his monolithic reads (which I did read through so don?t hate me Dad), and I?ve seen one other player say they didn?t like dad?s reads (forget who it is atm). I found myself agreeing with a good number of Dad?s observations, but I also do agree that his reads are largely just reports rather than actual reads. And his Ness v. Toads takeaway is wrong IMO as I?ll explain below
Ness vs. Toads was frivolous af and I actually found myself siding with Ness more in that exchange. Toads seemed to pick on really minute things and seemed like he just wanted to make Ness look bad. I was a bit surprised Ness thought he could be DQ?d, and agree that that coulda been a lowkey AtE. HAVING SAID THAT, Ness?s Punchy read is pretty self-contradictory, and I agree with Dolby that Punchy?s reaction makes perfect sense. But just looking at Ness v. Toads in a vacuum, I think Ness was winning the argument. But as I like to say?play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Slight tl on Ness and null on Toads rn
I?d be down for a fireninja lynch, as he?s done the most demonstrably scummy thing so far this game. But I also feel like it?s just way too blatant for scum!ninja to do. The one time I was scum with fireninja, he really was trying to fly under the radar and NOT commit to positions.
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oh and Kammm oozes town to me, I really liked her reaction to being pushed to post more
very indecisive reads all around. the only thing he really said which was original was the part about his thoughts on glow vs dad, and he didnt really end with a conclusive read on either of them either. while it would be easy to say that its just d1 reads and leave it at that, the thing that concerns me is that he really doesnt seem to have an opinion on anything related to scumhunting, with his only real opinions being to not prinicple lynch inactives and who won the argument between ness and toad, not taking into account the allignments of the players. the only things i could call scumhunting is his slight tl on ness, which is indecisive enough to backpedal on, and him saying hes down for a fireninja lynch, which he then backpedals on in the next sentence. overall a very fillery post without much contributions at all.
reiterating his opinion that fireninja could have voted for punchy bc of his lack of experience playing with him. again, other people, including myself, have already stated this but that could be just bc its the generally correct position to take, and i def dont expect him to outright sl fireninja or smth.
first part is about the notes thing, which i already spoke about before
second part is about how hes calling her out for the lynching inactives thing, even though he knows its already been discussed to death. this is kinda weird, since if u know its been discussed to death and want kayla to stop talking about it, why would u not just tell her to stop instead of pointing out ur disagreement with it again? this is more about his play rather than anything allignment indicative tho, so i can give it a pass, with the only thing i can really say is that it might be attempting to look like hes being active by talking about already discussed topics.
thinks that ryumia is trying to protect fireninja, even tho she says in the quote that she thinks its pretty dumb, calling it a 'supposed reasoning' and that she only likes one thing about the reasoning:
this feels like hes trying to further paint fireninja as possible scum, and ryumia as his possible scummate, and im not sure if i could see town evan being this off about her intentions. pretty odd but nothing too scummy yet, it could just be explained as a mistake or a misunderstanding.
grilling fireninja for his previous actions, which id be ok with on its on but in the context of his previous reads of him as a possible scum member, it feels more off. like what i said about toads and his 'reaction test' on punchy before, this could be a potential attempt to get a rise out of fireninja and start a bw on him. it could just be a normal town aggresive reaction test, but i feel like the aggresiveness of the 'unvote punchy' bit is enough to sound like a threat, even tho hes already said he can understand the logic behind it.
also getting annoyed at him for no content when he hasnt provided much content himself lol
first part could be a potential defense of scummate tom, who i already kinda sr. probably a reach but im putting it out there.
second part feels like it could be him trying to make it seem like his posts have more impact on the game than they actually do, artificially inflating peoples assessment of his contributions? (bit of a stretch lol) or its probably just more pressure on fireninja, either trying to get a reaction out of him as town or a bad reaction as maf. basically an extension of last post.
jab at punchy, doesnt really contribute to scumhunting or anything but its not allignment indicative so w/e
first part is saying that voting early is scummy, citing fireninja as his example, which kinda confuses me bc he said that he believes that fireninja had an understandable reason for the vote here:
which should mean that he thinks its not scummy but now he does? but then later in the post he says he can understand the idk my only explanation for this flip flop is that he realised that if things kept going as is then fireninja could be a potential bw target for scum, while leaving himself a backdoor through him saying he understand the reason if fireninja turns out to be towny. this inconsistent reasoning is really offputting for me.
the second part is him saying that he would be annoyed if punchy flips town, which i think means he sls him at the point? which is really weird after punchy acted the same as last game which wasted towns time, smth he should remember all too well.
im pretty sure that this post is calling out punchy for potentially tunnelling fireninja, while simultaniously getting annoyed at toad for tunnelling him. i can understand the logic but i feel like punchy could still be annoyed at toad for tunnelling him while tunnelling fireninja if he really believes hes scum. this could be an attempt at getting punchy sussed but i think that scum evan would already know that this kind of dumb behavious is kind of a towntell for punchy at this point and wouldnt risk it, so im just gonna say this post is meaningless in the grand scheme of things and move on.
sometimes scum does what's known as WIFOM - Wine in front of me - you can read more about it in the Encyclopedia Maftannica
BTW guys, if you don't know what something means, chances are it's defined and explained in the Maftannica #shamelessplug
meaningless post potentially attempting to make him look like a helpful contributer to town. idk not much else to say
like half of evans posts every game are bullying punchy lmao. not really allignment telling for reasons explained above
see above
very standard and noncommittal, only 10 out of 24 players had any kind of lean. pretty much everything he said in the list was already stated before him except for maybe the thing about glow. overall id say that the reads dont really contribute much to the game, and it kinda reminds me of amandas big reads post from last game which alerted me to her scumminess.
responding to a question with a very standard answer, antonio and ryumia were already widely sussed at this point. this post isnt really allignment indicative but he did only post when asked too so it could be another sign of feigning creating content.
only putting this to give myself a feeling of completion at having put in all the posts, otherwise not allignment indicative unless u think it could be another case of feigning ignorance about the game
oooooof. ok so in this post evan is saying in a really noncommital way that gig could be a potential lynch target, completely out of the blue with no reasoning to back it up. the best i can come up with as a town reason is that he thinks that gig could be a mafia who came back to the thread in time to vote for a player. the reason this doesnt make sense and i wouldnt expect it from a player like evan is that its literally impossible to get a read on gig at this stage of the game, what with having posted like 4 times at this point. he even says something akin to this in his own read:
the fact that he was able to get a scumlean off of a post like this:
kind of astounds me. the only explanation i can see is that hes scum trying to get a bw on gig, maybe bc one of his teammates is on the list to get lynched (antonio? idk) i wouldve thought that town evan wouldve provided a bit more reasoning for a decision like this, but its most likely bc hes scum and he couldnt actually think of a reason which wouldntve raised suspicion against him for reaching. this whole post screams maf potenially trying to turn conversation away from a team member and onto someone else.
this post is probably the one which raises my suspicions the most tbh
stating stuff hes already said before, so at least hes kinda inconsistent. the gig lynch option is mysteriously gone tho. maybe he realised it was too much of a scumtell?
this is in response to my initial reaction to his gig post. he said that he sussed gig for their sudden activity, which could easily be explained by either them realising that they needed to vote before the day ended, or them being told to check the thread by someone who knows them, like panda, something which i already knew was a thing by checking gigs profile to see their posts, something i guess evan neglected to do?
he also refers to gig as his top sus, which is pretty weird considering how little changed since his null post. and if ur going to say that u sus gig bc of his continued inactivity, then id point to ur argument with kayla over not killing inactive players just bc theyre inactive.
this posts screams of backpeddaling his original post after realising its scumminess. hell, half of the post is just showing off how much he isnt scumreading gig, saying hes voting for either kate or ryumia instead. really big red flag imo
also nice kinda sorta omgus there lol, im not misrepresenting u
bullying punchy with a hint of trying the devalue the lynch against him
no explanation of why he switched from kate to ryu, most likely just trying to ride the bw which looks the most effective atm. as for why he didnt just switch to dedenne, i think its bc he was trying to be more consistent with his susses, and thought that switching to dedenne would be too much of a scumtell for him to try.
bullying punchy, w/e (im not saying this is bad persay, at least its not allignment indicative. just saying it might be fillery or w/e)
first part is trying to get more people to join the ryu bandwagon, even tho he says he doesnt like that shes not here to defend herself.
second part is calling out gig, potentially trying to justify his earlier posts
not really too sure what this post is about, its kinda unclear to me. i guess hes saying that they should work together as a team? this post feels like its trying to manipulate people into thinking hes their friend, with mentions of 'we' and the idea of working together, when in this case working together means everyone piling onto one bw, preferably his. youll see this more in his later posts.
the bullying punchy and 'we' language two for one special
vaguely states that the d1 votes could contain some kind of info worth analysing, which i disagree with since most if not all of the people who voted for dedenne are most likely misled town in my mind, and the rest of the votes were mostly people away at day end. could be an attempt to make himself look likes hes scumhunting when hes really just throwing terms out there. another potential case of hollow contributions
again, trying to devalue my argument against him when it hasnt been fully developed, and is both defensive and not giving any reasons for his defense other than he was busy.
could be trying to downplay the importance of the lynch? maybe he knows smth about scum powers we dont. most likely just not alignment indicative tho
not really indicative of anything, except another call out at gig
flip flop back to dumb town reading them from wanting them dead before, pretty weird especially since none of them are actually in danger of being modkilled yet, having only recieved a warning so far. might be a sign of scummates within those three players
answering my question, w/e
brings up a good point about glow tbh, earns a few points for that.
the flip on ness from his tl near the start of the game worries me a bit tho, since im pretty sure its all but confirmed that at least the initial emotion he experienced wasnt an ate, and its pretty easy to see where his change in behaviour came from.
some admittedly decent analysis of the votes, although it could just a likely be a bunch of hot air made to disguise the scum teams real plan. this post feels more town than scum tho.
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im honestly less sure about my read than before i started this lol
overall i think that evan is slightly to moderately scummy, mostly for his random read on gig with no explanation behind it, his mostly unoriginal and fillery content and his flip flopping on multiple subjects, including punchy and his srs, antonio and ryu. however, his newer posts have showed promise, so my read would definitely be subject to change over time
as for whether i think he would be lynch worthy, i definitely wouldnt be against it, but i would rather he had some time to defend himself and differentiate his reads before we kill him off
hopefully thats good enough for expressing my thoughts lol
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wow thats long, maybe tina can edit in a spoiler? idk
In those last few games I think I did have either fleeting or more assured scumreads on glow but they usually happened later in the game, rarely do I suspect glow this early on, but I feel intention in this game in a way I didn't in those games where I suspected her later on and was usually wrong because I think what it is about glow is that she tends to not overly explain her reads and just states them assertively and moves on, she tends not to care to explain herself unless for example she is put in leadership like she was in BotW. But when you look at this game, who she suspects, and consider the way she rationalizes her choices it seems like she is picking and choosing sets of behavior to get a mislynch. Granted, she didn't vote despite being around enough to respond to both my posts against her and big moments of the game, and you'd think that somebody who wanted a mislynch would vote towards a mislynch, but not participating in a result you know would flip town when you are mafia tends to leave the option for provoking a town death while having a means of damage control. Mafia also votes for someone who probably isn't going to get lynched despite airing reasons to sus the one who will end up getting lynched for the same reason.
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Rune coming for my wallpost game.
Ness pt 2
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Also glow how was Heyden's post try-hardy and toneless?
u know it bb : )
idk amanda said last game that i should do more indepth analysis so im trying it out
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quick updated thoughts:
antonio: im more unsure than i was before about him, bc noones has tried to defend him, tho i guess that could be some active plan by mafia to protect him through saying noones defending him (idk if that makes sense) through a concentrated effort by ppl like dolby and panda, tho thats probably farfetched. null until i get some info out of him
kate: the fact that it seems like some people are ignoring her, or at least focussing more on antonio than her irks me a little. still a slight sr, but could change
jacob: honestly liked his response to toad, and some of the stuff hes posted. probably a slight tl
ness: hes being consistenly emotionally charged in his posts, but the emotions behind them seem to be genuine enough to not be an ate, especially if he is seriously considering getting a replacement. slight tr
dolby: good contributions to town, tho kinda suspiciously absent at eod. slight to moderate tr
heyden: becoming more active over time, and posting good things even if that brief period of 'kill me' was kinda strange. slight tr
toad: honestly really hard for me to read rn, like half of the stuff is pretty scummy including him trying to rile up ness and punchy, but when hes acting calmer i like his contributions. null
idk these are just off the top of my head without much direction, im probably missing a bunch of things but w/e
