cornimer
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Hey Dad here's another post where glow doesn't give info for fear of "being killed"
Mafia Call the Ships to Port: Game Thread - END GAME - TOWN VICTORY!
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A buffet for scum to devour if they're not being given some afterthought. New players do dumb things. Say dumb things. It's when people try to lynch them over it where we have to be concerned. People like Toads and Rune have applied pressure in this game but notice how they didn't full on jump to saying 'lets lynch them'. Also saying you're applying pressure could be a go-to defense from my accusations that you pick easy targets.
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My brain is scrambled right now from a hangover and only getting 3 hours of sleep, and I kind of don't care about the game as much when I'm off work because I have less stressful/overwhelming means of passing the time than this large game. So I'm basically feeling like Trundle right now and do the exact same thing he did because I'm too drained to spend more than an hour on a post. So yeah, ask me why I colored everyone what I colored them. I'll at least give a few brief reasons why for the yellow and red folks. But yeah. These reads are gonna be lazy, neglecting, and shallow for the most part but w/e not having the easiest mental state for scumhunting atm.
glow - just ISO me I've made so many points, there's more scummy behavior here than some of the towny moments
Dolby - I tend to heavily suspect Dolby just based on those three kills and how I do actually see kate as an attempted bluesnipe and Oath didn't shoot, there was also one moment that I really didn't like but I need to dig it up. It was something I pointed out when he had a little more heat on him. One thing I do know is that his targets seem to be the convenient ones and he more or less jumped on agreeing with me on the note of glow rather than explaining it until I asked him to. But yeah. FireNinja, Locket, and Tom are all convenient targets for whipping up a case against, although I think Locket was the riskier one since she had little heat on her. But again he pours a lot of effort into his reads and seems to try his best to lead, often relying on meta like he tends to do, and that's characteristic of town Dolby but Dolby is self-aware and can pull this off so yeah, just hard to read in general.
Ryumia - Also need to re-iso her but a lot of what she has done in this game has been inconsistent in terms of being filler at one moment and then taking stronger stances at others. Her play on day 2 was a lot different than her day 1 play. There's more to it than this but again I'm tired af and will get around to it.
Punchy - His behavior is all over the place this game in a distracting way and it seems pretty chaotic and I won?t dispute the possibility of it being intentional. Do I think the messenger thing automatically means he?s scum? Hell no. And people who are jumping on him for that alone need to be watched. There was discussion of one in the last game I was in but they?re not in every game, no.
Evan - I still postulate that if Dolby were scum this would be a possible teammate, and there?s a bit of filler in his play so far. Is part of this gut? Very much. There?s just something that seems off about him that I am used to seeing in his town meta in that he gets back and forth way more often than
Kammm
Kammm
Kermit (replacing Mog) - Mog has had iffy moments but another one I just need to get around to
amanda (replacing Gig) - very low amount of posts and almost no reads from Gig, and amanda just replaced
Panda - low amount of posts and reads
^---honestly, these four? Have less stuff to read. And just aren?t my focus atm. I?m not avoiding them but this game has a crapton of people and I?m trying to dedicate the free time of my free time to the sus ones.
Antonio - he?s a new player and I think people went hard on him earlier on in the game because of that, but I stand by that some of the moments he has had in the game have been hypocritical. That being said, I agree that when heat is put on him, very few are around to defend, and he?s another one glow went after in a way I don?t like.
Vanessa (replacing Locket) - I just think that she seemed to have read the thread a little too fast for my tastes to be as confident as she was about her stances from the getgo. There wasn't much time between when she replaced and when she started reading. But I can give her the benefit of the doubt that she figured she'd be replacing and had been following from observation. Her reads aren't entirely disagreeable.
N e s s - Here?s one thing I need to note about Ness: he is one of the few, if any, players in the game that Tom took some sort of stance on iirc. And it was Tom sheeping me. While I think this can be seen as something that could clear Ness, I can also see it as a bus plan for Ness? sake. My only issue with that thought is that after that breakdown I can?t imagine Ness being worth a bus, especially if it isn?t something easy to notice. If he?s scum, post meltdown, I think he?s done a good job. He?s been less sloppy since that happened. I still think I'm used to seeing town Ness go harder. He's more or less questioning or reading into ongoing discussions rather than making cases on anyone.
Jacob - Admittedly I need to read into him more but his first impressions were good ones and remind me a lot of his town play, because like Rune I think he?s better at being town than being mafia. Period. He just stays quiet as mafia for the most part, especially early game. He?s not entirely vocal and the most active of us either but I like the stances he?s taken in the game for the most part.
GhostKid - Was pretty intense about Tom and very few other people and I worry it could be a bus thing as well. Another thing I don?t like is that he seems to be intent on letting us know when he?s going to bed. Playing a game. Brushing his teeth. Existing. And he does that more than provide reads. Needs to be pressured to do the latter imo.
FireNinja - I think in part I put him in the green category because I feel so intense about either glow or Dolby being mafia and I think there?s a possibility that when they put heat on FN they put heat on him because he?s not the neatest player in terms of defending himself or making the most spot-on reads as town (but none of us are all the time tbh). Sure, his bit at the beginning of the game was distracting, but he did eventually unvote.
Heyden - Has demonstrated a healthy amount of doubt through the game, and when it came down to Dolby vs Heyden for a short bit, I was definitely on Heyden?s side there, a lot of the issues Heyden and Rune had with Dolby I did as well.
Runeraider - great efforts, agreeable points, going against people like Dolby...not only are these things I don't see scum Runeraider doing, but I know from the last game I was in that scum Rune coasts
Kayla - if I'm wrong here, she's very self aware of her status of coming from an old tbt mafia that used to do things differently and is acting based on that perception
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Also remind me never to use that yellow again
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Given there are probably at least two mafia in my nulls and greens but ffs I'm drained.
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Given there are probably four mafia left*
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Thanks. But if glow flips green I'm going to remember that you went out of your way to fish one more example out to make glow seem even more scummy.
cornimer
grab acorns 'til you're delirious
I'm going through her post filter right now and found that. I didn't just randomly dig up that post I'm trying to make new reads
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OOPS I QUOTED THE WHOLE THING SORRY GUYS
also just realized I forgot Trundle. Tbh I'm wanting to pull him back into the null category because I recall how he gave certain old players passes for how they usually play and I don't like it when that's done, and he was quick to read Dolby as town, but it's fair to say he can spot Dolby's meta just about as well as I can only he has the boldness (or is it laziness) to shrug him off as town so quick.
Wow good job. And yeah, the heat is mostly gonna be on me if glow flips green, but even if you did it through her search filter, it can still come off as agenda-ish. But there's no harm in keeping this in the back of our minds. That's fair to do.
My gosh I am tired. Day Two was way too draining. I'm probably going to die tonight which sucks, so I'll post what I can before then.
I feel like I'm not the best at making reads because I'm not capable of analyzing as well as some of you other people are, but I did catch Tom so I must be doing at least one thing right ? At this point there's not much else I can say or add about Punchy that hasn't already been said or exposed lols. So that's that.
Well we can't forget that Heyden was active in the "lynch Tom" movement. For that reason I am leaning Town on him. Evan has kinda just been following me and somewhat "hiding" behind me in a sense. I'm not sure about what he's doing but ultimately he's helping us I guess ? I see him as null.
Ryumia: Her votes are literally all over the place and she is avoiding to help us lynch anyone. To this day I still don't get why she said the mafia knows her role and that's why they're keeping her in the game ? She is participating in the thread to be seen as "active" but she isn't participating in the sense of helping us find mafia. On Day One she avoided voting and on Day Two she voted for AmazonEvan19. I feel like she's trying to appear neutral and I don't understand why. At this point she is voting to stay alive. She completely ignored the fact that we were going hard after Tom and was like " I really don't know who to vote for ". There were so many reasons in the thread as to why Tom could potentially be mafia and you still didn't know who to vote for ?? This player is officially coasting in my mind. Day Three there needs to be a lot more pressure on her.
Ya, now I see why people were all like " no let's not lynch the inactives " .. the reason is players like Tom. He was literally given the opportunity to coast by and almost avoided lynch because of this idea of not lynching Inactives or people who don't post. So now that Tom flipped red, I find it concerning that a player like Ryumia who is trying to stay neutral right now, was actually able to take a stand on whether or not to lynch inactives. Either she was using Dolby's content to appear Town or she was covering for Tom in my opinion. Either way it's too hard for me to lean Town on her right now. At the time I was lumping "coasters" with "inactives" because to me there's only a few moments in the game which separates them ( did they come to vote ? Are they posting in the thread ? & etc. ).
Ya you did & now I see you're taking the whole voting process more seriously. But, you're not voting to help us lynch .. you're voting in a neutral way simply to ensure you aren't modkilled .. how come you were still unsure by Day Two of who you could possibly vote for ? SO MUCH had happened by then. Why couldn't you place a vote on either Tom or Dolby ?
Okay this is the post I was talking about. Why do you feel like the mafia knows your role ? Why do you feel like they would be using you as a shield ? I don't get it. Did something happen during the Night phase that you're not telling us about ? Why did you have this impression by Day Two ? This post is way too vague and yet you're giving people the impression that the mafia will leave you in the game because somehow they know your role and want to use you as a shield ?? That's a great way to get yourself to stay in the game while giving people the impression that mafia is doing it on purpose to let you live ( coasting ). I feel like this post got ignored because we were all debating the whole Tom thing and Ryumia luckily got buried.
Amanda / Gig's replacement: Any players left in the game need to absolutely put pressure on this person to post. Don't let this player coast by. At the beginning I was very much concerned that this person came in just to vote on the Antonio bandwagon. One thing that bothers me about accusing this person is that, as Dolby mentioned .. they actually didn't place a vote. Personally I am leaning mafia on this player nonetheless. They were putting, or ATTEMPTED to put, the bare minimum effort to stay alive .. as Tom was. The reason why they worry me is that they were active quietly on the thread until after Night One's post came up and then they disappeared. There were players like Katezilla who didn't even bother at all and ended up a Townie.
Honestly Glow does seem a little too comfortable in this game. She is in my "null" category for now because I was too focused on my own scum leans from Day One to pay attention to her.
I'm not understanding why blue sniping = Dolby may be mafia. Were there never any other players who were able to kill blues on Day One in all of these mafia games except him ? Also, I STILL don't get how Kate gave blue vibes to be a potential target specifically for that reason ?
My scum leans would include: Ryumia, Amanda ( Gigalabesh's replacement ) because no matter what they have the same role, and Vampnessa for the way she tried to encourage the lynch on someone other than Tom. She was literally like " lynch Dolby go go go go ". I agree with Dad she seems to have an agenda she is trying to push.
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Ya this is pretty much what I meant.
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**** I forgot to change the yellow. Basically what I quoted was the Ryumia section.
I feel like I'm not the best at making reads because I'm not capable of analyzing as well as some of you other people are, but I did catch Tom so I must be doing at least one thing right ? At this point there's not much else I can say or add about Punchy that hasn't already been said or exposed lols. So that's that.
Well we can't forget that Heyden was active in the "lynch Tom" movement. For that reason I am leaning Town on him. Evan has kinda just been following me and somewhat "hiding" behind me in a sense. I'm not sure about what he's doing but ultimately he's helping us I guess ? I see him as null.
Ryumia: Her votes are literally all over the place and she is avoiding to help us lynch anyone. To this day I still don't get why she said the mafia knows her role and that's why they're keeping her in the game ? She is participating in the thread to be seen as "active" but she isn't participating in the sense of helping us find mafia. On Day One she avoided voting and on Day Two she voted for AmazonEvan19. I feel like she's trying to appear neutral and I don't understand why. At this point she is voting to stay alive. She completely ignored the fact that we were going hard after Tom and was like " I really don't know who to vote for ". There were so many reasons in the thread as to why Tom could potentially be mafia and you still didn't know who to vote for ?? This player is officially coasting in my mind. Day Three there needs to be a lot more pressure on her.
Ya, now I see why people were all like " no let's not lynch the inactives " .. the reason is players like Tom. He was literally given the opportunity to coast by and almost avoided lynch because of this idea of not lynching Inactives or people who don't post. So now that Tom flipped red, I find it concerning that a player like Ryumia who is trying to stay neutral right now, was actually able to take a stand on whether or not to lynch inactives. Either she was using Dolby's content to appear Town or she was covering for Tom in my opinion. Either way it's too hard for me to lean Town on her right now. At the time I was lumping "coasters" with "inactives" because to me there's only a few moments in the game which separates them ( did they come to vote ? Are they posting in the thread ? & etc. ).
Ya you did & now I see you're taking the whole voting process more seriously. But, you're not voting to help us lynch .. you're voting in a neutral way simply to ensure you aren't modkilled .. how come you were still unsure by Day Two of who you could possibly vote for ? SO MUCH had happened by then. Why couldn't you place a vote on either Tom or Dolby ?
Okay this is the post I was talking about. Why do you feel like the mafia knows your role ? Why do you feel like they would be using you as a shield ? I don't get it. Did something happen during the Night phase that you're not telling us about ? Why did you have this impression by Day Two ? This post is way too vague and yet you're giving people the impression that the mafia will leave you in the game because somehow they know your role and want to use you as a shield ?? That's a great way to get yourself to stay in the game while giving people the impression that mafia is doing it on purpose to let you live ( coasting ). I feel like this post got ignored because we were all debating the whole Tom thing and Ryumia luckily got buried.
Amanda / Gig's replacement: Any players left in the game need to absolutely put pressure on this person to post. Don't let this player coast by. At the beginning I was very much concerned that this person came in just to vote on the Antonio bandwagon. One thing that bothers me about accusing this person is that, as Dolby mentioned .. they actually didn't place a vote. Personally I am leaning mafia on this player nonetheless. They were putting, or ATTEMPTED to put, the bare minimum effort to stay alive .. as Tom was. The reason why they worry me is that they were active quietly on the thread until after Night One's post came up and then they disappeared. There were players like Katezilla who didn't even bother at all and ended up a Townie.
Honestly Glow does seem a little too comfortable in this game. She is in my "null" category for now because I was too focused on my own scum leans from Day One to pay attention to her.
I'm not understanding why blue sniping = Dolby may be mafia. Were there never any other players who were able to kill blues on Day One in all of these mafia games except him ? Also, I STILL don't get how Kate gave blue vibes to be a potential target specifically for that reason ?
My scum leans would include: Ryumia, Amanda ( Gigalabesh's replacement ) because no matter what they have the same role, and Vampnessa for the way she tried to encourage the lynch on someone other than Tom. She was literally like " lynch Dolby go go go go ". I agree with Dad she seems to have an agenda she is trying to push.
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Ya this is pretty much what I meant.
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**** I forgot to change the yellow. Basically what I quoted was the Ryumia section.
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
I was about to remove my sus on you but your reads list is really bad. I don't know if it's just you being tired or what but this is messy & throwing red flags everywhere.
@ILY: THANK YOU for calling out ryumia. Maybe somebody will listen to you lol, because nobody seemed to want to hear it from me. I unvoted her yesterday because Tom was definitely more suspicious but she's still at the top of my scum list. Like you pointed out, she has been trying so hard to stay neutral, but why? Why is she fighting town so hard?? I understand she's acted like this in past games but that doesn't mean we should just dismiss her. Idk guys, I just feel like we should keep her in mind after we lynch punchy.
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@Dad: how come my name is the only one on your reads list with nothing lol. I understand yesterday I didn't post much content because I was busy, but I've definitely made more posts than some other players. I understand my stuff is not all that amazing and in depth since I'm still getting the hang of things, but I figured you would at least have SOMETHING to say?
Is there anything you would like my opinion on so that you can get a better read on me?
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@Dad: how come my name is the only one on your reads list with nothing lol. I understand yesterday I didn't post much content because I was busy, but I've definitely made more posts than some other players. I understand my stuff is not all that amazing and in depth since I'm still getting the hang of things, but I figured you would at least have SOMETHING to say?
Is there anything you would like my opinion on so that you can get a better read on me?
cornimer
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But lynch hype trains are funiLoveYou said:
Nah I was just playing around in the moment, notice I never even voted for Dolby. I'm not saying my sus on him was fake, because I still sus him a bit (not as strongly as before), but I wasn't actually going to lynch him right then and there.
And once again, I wasn't really trying to keep the lynch away from Tom. My concern was: why is everybody voting for him right now when he promised content on D2, and it's only the beginning of D2? I thought that looked very scummy and thus the scum were just trying to push a wagon on him. But once he actually didn't deliver any content by the end of the day, and also Dolby provided proof of his scum meta from other games, I was ready to lynch him.
This is a re-typed version of what I originally had. Somehow it got lost between the copying and pasting from my phone. :/
Why would you play the game on your own terms instead of helping us to find mafia players ? What are your own terms for which you are playing for ?
On Day One people were saying " Ryumia tends to make filler posts as Town". Here on Day Two we see her using the same excuse they handed to her. If she is mafia she may have learned to take the safety exit that players give and use it as an excuse to compensate for her potential mafia-like behaviour just as Tom tried to do. This is my weakest argument on her because it could also be the case where she genuinely doesn't know how her posts are fillery and is using the excuse given because now she believes it herself ? I don't know.
I found this post interesting because ideally one of the ways for us to catch mafia players is to force them into the spotlight to post more and more. It doesn't make sense to me why anyone as Town would want to do this in a game of trying to find mafia ? You'd rather just defend yourself if you want to ? There should be some obligation for you to defend yourself especially if you are holding a Town role. Otherwise yes, as Ness said, you do look like you have something to hide.
Why would you play the game on your own terms instead of helping us to find mafia players ? What are your own terms for which you are playing for ?
On Day One people were saying " Ryumia tends to make filler posts as Town". Here on Day Two we see her using the same excuse they handed to her. If she is mafia she may have learned to take the safety exit that players give and use it as an excuse to compensate for her potential mafia-like behaviour just as Tom tried to do. This is my weakest argument on her because it could also be the case where she genuinely doesn't know how her posts are fillery and is using the excuse given because now she believes it herself ? I don't know.
I found this post interesting because ideally one of the ways for us to catch mafia players is to force them into the spotlight to post more and more. It doesn't make sense to me why anyone as Town would want to do this in a game of trying to find mafia ? You'd rather just defend yourself if you want to ? There should be some obligation for you to defend yourself especially if you are holding a Town role. Otherwise yes, as Ness said, you do look like you have something to hide.
i find it super weird how whenever you sus me you use other people's argument as a shield
also i voted FN because i didn't wanna sort Tom, i was only down to sheep a tr but i got paranoid
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also in that post i wasn't even talking about being afraid of dying??? where did i even mention that
i was saying that there's a reason both dad and i are alive, and i'm quite sure that it's because they know that dad is the only ones really trying to lead a lynch on me
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one of the*
cornimer
grab acorns 'til you're delirious
I am 100% sheeping people this game I admit it
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New reads new reads new reads
PunchyDaHufflepuff - You know, I think Punchy is the most towny person in this game. I can't think of a single scummy thing he's done. Except for scumslipping a bajillion times and trying to pull the lynch off his teammate onto like three different people, but that's not a big deal, right? There's also his totally contradictory and bogus claim that he can't seem to get straight, but I can totally look past that.
In all seriousness though, don't feel too bad about yourself punchy. You weren't playing a bad game for your first time as scum before the mess-up. And yeah y'all can say it looks sus that I 100% believe he's scum but like...you really think he just so happened to guess someone on the mafia team's role and abilities, and a role that Punchy's never seen before at that?
Trundle - His tone just sounds very towny to me idk. I don't see a difference from now and the other games where he was town
Runeraider - good contributions, very different from scum self, and I don't think any scum would be brave enough to defend Punchy
Kammm - same reasoning as my last read. She has pretty solid reasoning especially for her first game. If she is scum I'll be floored
Dolby Yknow what, I'll be honest. My sus on Dolby is kracko. I have no good reasoning. My case was based on blue sniping and also sheeping Rune and Heyden's actual good points against Dolby. But I still have a gut feeling that he might be scum. And he's probably going to say "I made this whole case against Tom that got him lynched for good, why would I do that as scum." Well, maybe he was bussing to make himself look good. Though I will say again it was a very good case that definitely convinced me Tom was scum. If only one of Dad/Dolby/glow is on the scumteam I think it's glow now, not Dolby.
N e s s - same reasoning as before
Ghostkid - Well, he was pretty much tunneling Tom the whole time, so obviously he looks good right now. But I'm just a tad concerned about someone being that confident about a read in their first game. Maybe he decided to bus?
Heyden - I've liked his points, effort and tone the whole game
amazonevan19 - by POE I think one of him or Jacob is scum but I haven't really gone through their posts or anything. If I have time I'll look into the two of them but I have a major essay due tomorrow that I really should be working on right now.
Ryumia - Idk why people are sussing her she matches her town meta exactly. Unless you don't believe in other game meta which is fair, but I definitely believe in other game meta, especially for newer players.
Antonio - Ugh well I still think not knowing what blues are could be fake HOWEVER, his reaction to mine and glow's accusations on that was very genuine. Also, Punchy was trying to lynch him. Considering how much Punchy was trying to not lynch Tom, I don't think he's one to bus, which makes me think Antonio and mog/Kermit are both town members (or at least, not mafia)
iLoveYou - Well, she was after Tom for a very long time, and she hasn't really posted anything suspicious seeming, so I am fairly confident she is town now.
mogyay/Kermit - same reasoning as Antonio
PandaDarling - tbh I can't remember anything she has posted
Gigalabesh/Amanda - waiting on content from Amanda to decide
Jacob - see read on Evan
Dad - I don't agree with everything he said in this game however I trust him more than Dolby and glow. I don't know if scum!Dad would focus on tunneling Glow this much and not look at other people. To me it looks like he very genuinely believes she is mafia and wants to convince other people.
FireNinja1 - same reasoning as before
glow - I can already hear Dolby saying "Omk Vanessa is bussing her teammate out of nowhere now." Well, I went back through Glow's post filter, the main reason to be if she ever mentioned having a suss of fire ninja since she voted for him. This is the only post I found:
Doesn't really seem like she found him suspicious. I also found quite a few filler posts while going back. Most of her content is either about Antonio or about Dad. Also throws out a mogyay sus a few times but she never really like explained it? All I saw was something along the lines of "tbh I sus mog" (granted I didn't read EVERY single post so maybe I missed something) I can't point fingers for sussing Antonio because I did as well, but idk, also I'm sheeping Dad on this a bitglow said:
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I see glow gave a reason for voting FN after I wrote this but that doesn't really change my read
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
FYI if Vanessa is mafia her read on Runeraider is probably just a means to throw a townie under the bus once she dies. ^^
cornimer
grab acorns 'til you're delirious
Huh? If I were scum why would I townlock someone I want people to view as my partner, that would be too obvious
This is going to look super bwy, but I have to agree with Trundle
Yeah, right now I?m unsure if I continue to side with Dad in Dad/Glow, but I have so many active townreads rn that I feel that one of them HAS to be mafia
amanda1983
Senior Member
^ I realise I didn't specify that those things worried me *because* I read him as scum based on the role-claim debacle and agreed with the general reasoning + arguments raised by Ness, Evan, and Kammm. Those 'worries' I mentioned were the remaining concerns I had left to address to myself before reaching a conclusion. I hope that's clear now.
After re-reading the role-claim stuff in APM and how it happened in this game, I've concluded that Punchy is a person who plays Mafia very incredibly differently to how I do. In the absence of any previous Mafia!Punchy games to check meta against, I got nowhere. (None of this is really a surprise in hindsight but I had to check just in case.)
Pending dramatic new developments, I'm satisfied with my decision to vote for Punchy tomorrow.
