-The constant lookout/mention of prs. It's okay to discuss the existence of prs since this is a closed setup, but I've seen a LOT of posts egging people on.
I just had to say - remember when shawo did that in salmon run? 'Ok everybody, let's all say what our powers are and talk about who should use theirs'...
I know, it's not the same, but that always cracks me up.
And I do agree with your thought that giving the item at random is not a very good idea.
I just had to say - remember when shawo did that in salmon run? 'Ok everybody, let's all say what our powers are and talk about who should use theirs'...
Frosty! My last contestant. If I miss anyone, please let me know.
If maf is only 1 person, it ain't frosty. (Goes for dolby as well, imo). Frosty seems like a newer player, but is giving reads, active, seems pretty ok so far.
The only way frosty would be maf is as part of a team. I haven't done any iso on frosty yet, so I don't know if there's even any teaming going on, but you never know - don't trust anyone, lol.
betsy i still townread for what i said before and even beyond that i feel like she’s trying to work through her reads and don’t get a sense there’s TMI. there’s probably bias there from the whole role thing which i guess can be discussed in the future if needed, but i just don’t see it being betsy
i still think raven would be the best vote. even if they come in at 7, i’m not really imagining many worlds where they prove their innocence enough. i feel like they’ll just be a point of discussion for later days and history shows that has only lead to disaster
while I am voting raven. read wise i can get behind a kiko vote for what i said before. i just really get the sense that they have information about setup to have been planning the 2 mafia team from the start. also the no elim is just not beneficial
for the power vote, i’d be inclined to give it to tessa and betsy cuz i trust them the most rn. though the deadly curious part of me what’s to just see what would happen if we gave it to dolby
Okay here's some of the stuff that felt off as I look farther into @kikotoot 's game so far.
-The constant lookout/mention of prs. It's okay to discuss the existence of prs since this is a closed setup, but I've seen a LOT of posts egging people on. Like you want someone to soft so you can take advantage of that. It just feels super off to me in a sense that why would town keep mentioning that nobody has alluded to having a role yet? role reveals end in death and mafia gains power. it's not towny to me to say that repeatedly.
Examples:
(less of a mention but slightly feels like one)
-It felt so weird that you strongly tr'ed me and brought it up a lot after I originally sussed you. Almost like you were trying to clear yourself, and then after that you asked something of me. I'm not going to agree with someone simply due to a townread.
There are 2 reasons I've brought that up so much
1. It is obviously not the case that no one has a power-role, so is a possible source of information
2. It's possible that people have abilities that can be of benefit to the town, but need some knowledge of others to plan around. My mind here goes back to ShellBell in baby park.
(the text below this was in a quote from you but idk what happened on my phone) -Will place a suspicion on someone but easy to switch to other opinions. A lot of "don't take this too seriously "feeling kinda towny/kinda null on so and so". It just feels like you're intentionally trying to be in the middle so you can follow to the town side. I get being unsure as that is my entire personality but if you're going to make a claim against someone or use evidence softing it isn't gonna be useful for town. This wasn't the way with Damniel at first, though. You definitely were against him to start.
that's a tessa quote^ (I hate phone formatting) This is from kiko now: With damniel I was just most off-put by his post style than by anyone else. This later grew as there were more posts and possible stories to make out of how ppl were talking
-Reasoning to support a read isn't actually very backed up. Either that or it's already been mentioned. Once again, it's day one so I can let this pass. But some of your logic just... doesn't make sense to me? I know we already discussed how no-elim is bad because of the numbers.
Examples:
(to clear things up i do not want the item. i think it's best that it goes to frosty.)
But that reasoning? Makes no sense in my opinion. Shouldn't you base it off of who's more townier or who will utilize the item the best?
idk if this is where you quoted my thing abt giving the power to frosty (am quite a bit wine'd up rn) but it really was as innocent a reasoning as it sounded: this is frosty's first game, it's day-1, now's as good a time as any to fully indulge them in the mafia experience. That was in the absence of any of my reads or anything, literally just me going "let's indulge them a bit" for their first time. Ye it doesn't appear to be the soundest strategy, because it wasn't strategy. That was kikotoot the person talking, not the player.
At random is possibly one of the worst situations we could get because some people in this game do seem inherently town. I'd much rather take the risk of giving it to someone who seems like they could handle it than not knowing who it goes to.
didn't dolby... say something really similar right before this?
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I should've been more clear when i talked about kiko at first because im def switching my vote to him
Truthfully, I don't think I'm following the rest of your statements here. I'm an engineer irl so, regarding doing things randomly was just like: it's a guaranteed 5/7 or 6/7 chance we give power to a townie, vs risking there being a maf who's playing really well (cuz again, it's day 1). idk how suggesting the random way can be so incriminating when: it prevents maf from controlling a split vote, and it's heavily in the townie's favour
I'll respond in more detail to you and all the other posts later on, but I promise you, you do not want to vote me out.
Keep in mind that this is a much smaller setup. If a shellbell situation was plausible, i'm sure that person would've already said something. That kind of information day one isn't needed and only makes the pr a target and therefore unable to use their role (as most role powers occur overnight)
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I know quotes aren't working for you rn (phone formatting sucks i use it too haha) but do you think you could give a bit of an explanation as to why you wanna give the power to dolby?
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(if theres 2 maf and either kiko or dolby flip maf i might sense they're a duo)
I definitely would like to prevent a split tonight just so the mafia can't decide who dies and who gets the item.
You and dolby are my surest town reads, and if dolby can make good use of the item, then I'm down to take that risk and hit the ground running with him getting it. If I can't convince enough people to get dolby up to 3 votes for the power, then ye I'd go frosty, primarily for the non-strategic reasons, but also cuz you seem to trust frosty a bit/have already given your vote to them, and my main thing is: I don't want the mafia to be able to swing either vote at the end of the day.
Keep in mind that this is a much smaller setup. If a shellbell situation was plausible, i'm sure that person would've already said something. That kind of information day one isn't needed and only makes the pr a target and therefore unable to use their role (as most role powers occur overnight)
ye like, you have to remember, my only game was that one, and we had abilities like shellbell's recharge, my single-use but rechargeable ability to see who uses an ability, etc. etc. It was *because* people alluded to using their abilities night 1 that I thought I should use mine too to see who was being honest. That's very much where I'm coming from in terms of powers. It's a: "does no one seriously care this time around?" thing. Again though, very possibly ill-informed, as that was an uber non-traditional game.
I understand your sussness about me though (still down to receive the item-vote!), but honestly, you do not want to vote me out if you're as townie as I think you are. I'm not too sure how I want to play tonight because of the lack of info so far, which is why I think dolby, the only one who's said *anything* about powers, is our best bet for the time being.
Besides, if they're not targeted/killed by the mafia for both winning the item *and* having a power, then that throws uber sussness on them.
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to clarify: don't waste your vote on me if you'd rather vote dolby, that's not what I mean. Me saying I'm down to receive the item was half a joke (can't help but bleed my personality into this a bit) and half: if there's no better candidate to decide on, I'm down to be defaulted to for the item kinda thing
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Part of me is like: I hope dolby doesn't die!
and the other part is like: If dolby doesn't die...
still need to try and catch up on what I missed, but I was thinking about what info I had. Right now, I'm still leaning to place my vote on Raven for reasons I discussed before, 'm going to cast it now just because I've been on that point since the inactivity talk started, of course I'm still waiting to hear what Raven has to say, and am pretty ready to change my thoughts when she shows up and hopefully contributes some thoughts of her own.
It's still a placeholder vote and I'm not 100 percent committed until we hear from Raven.
But I'm genuinely overwhelmed because I haven't been able to keep up with the discussions (mornings/afternoons are not good times for me and I'm still stuck trying to unpack what I missed after I signed off last night). I feel like every time I try and skim catch up to the current topic you're all 5 conversations ahead again and I'm like ????? I was not prepared for how fast this would go and I'm sorry I'm failing you all.
You are not failing us at all! mafia can get pretty intense and your involvement has been amazing so far. There can be pressure to feel like you have to be 100% on top of everything, but it's completely ok to skim sometimes to get caught up or things like that. I just happened to have a lot of time on my hands these first 48 hours by no means do you need to take this as the norm or anything. You're doing fantastically.
Wait, sorry Kiko, what? Why would mafia decide who gets the item?
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Haha, okay thank you Kiko. It's reassuring I don't have to fully know everything. But if anyone feels I'm missing something super important please let me know/quote it because I very much am still confused about everyone's feelings right now.
I just mean it like: we're all voting different people rn, so the winner could be someone who gets as few as 2 votes. With 2 mafia, it's *very* easy for one of them to just add that 2nd vote to a fellow mafia and ensure they get the item.
Haha, okay thank you Kiko. It's reassuring I don't have to fully know everything. But if anyone feels I'm missing something super important please let me know/quote it because I very much am still confused about everyone's feelings right now.
Oooh, got you. You're just going back to the last minute vote tie situation. That makes much more sense.
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I am seeing like 6 different accusations. If anyone here would like to tl:dr their current thoughts I would certainly appreciate it.
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As of right now, and this is in the case of a two maf game, I think I'm town leaning Betsy and don't think she was playing us all yesterday, but I swear if she is mafia and full on was aware of it, I would cry over the betrayal.
The biggest change of late I think is just me jumping to Tessa's number 1 suspect (I still town-lean her though for my read). Am not sure too too much else has gone on since your last bout of activity
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Oooh, okay thank you Kiko. I'll try and go back and see where Tessa came to that conclusion.
Did you ever decide on how you want to play btw? You're the one who's giving me the most questions on allignment atm, you aren't neutral, but I can see you being both town and maf at once and I'm just ????? So I feel like you did land on that chaotic persona.
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Yeah I def naturally fall into that. Part of it is me playing the game on top of the game, intentionally trying to draw enough suspicion for the mafs to keep me around but not so much that the townies vote me out, which was warranted in baby park given how I had one of a handful of informative powers. It almost bit me in the butt when Lynn nearly shot-gunned me though . I think I just naturally have a chaos-lean that I can't do much to help though
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Something I'm a little curious about its, @Dolby , can you do anything with the power if you're killed? or how are you mitigating the target you're giving yourself (if you can afford to tell us)
by no means do you need to take this as the norm or anything. You're doing fantastically.
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. I think I just naturally have a chaos-lean that I can't do much to help though
