First you say I'm inexperienced and making a novice kill, now you say I'm playing a big meta game. Pretty contrasting opinions there, Do you think I'm dumb or an evil genius? Be honest, I won't be hurt if it's the former.
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But oooh, okay thank you, more credibility on that. So Betsy, just wanna know if anything changed and why you feel more confident.
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Re my role. I don't want to say. Everyone is accusing you of role fishing, you ignore it and address no one about it beyond 'this is how I play, don't read into it, and now you're directly asking me to straight up talk about mine?
First you say I'm inexperienced and making a novice kill, now you say I'm playing a big meta game. Pretty contrasting opinions there, Do you think I'm dumb or an evil genius? Be honest, I won't be hurt if it's the former.
But oooh, okay thank you, more credibility on that. So Betsy, just wanna know if anything changed and why you feel more confident.
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Re my role. I don't want to say. Everyone is accusing you of role fishing, you ignore it and address no one about it beyond 'this is how I play, don't read into it, and now you're directly asking me to straight up talk about mine?
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I thought you wanted to be my friend. The betrayal is real.
I def think I'm leaning more towards evil genius sadly
but ngl no one's really giving me enough rn to not maf-lean them (but also I'm probably just paranoid).
As promised, the evolution of my tessa reads d1. I think I'm the only one who put the sus on tessa d1, so I wanted to lay it out and show why. As some of this deals with the item aspect of the game, consider it part of my campaign for ##vote betsy in blue
I'll run it chronologically through the day. First - the issue over voting inactives
Going by basic mafia rules, unless specified otherwise by the host (there weren't many rules to begin with, so Bianca, help me outhere?), inactive are most likely going to be replaced or mod killed if they haven't provided anything of sustenance after a certain time period, so voting them off would be a waste of a vote and in mafia's power.
This is always a discussion every day one: whether or not to vote inactives. I am not going to vote boring today under any circumstances if they do not post. The idea of voting out less helpful town just because they're less helpful feels... scummy to me, in a way?
it's like just off putting, because when looking for her opinion on ia in other threads i was not expecting something so similar. in monster mash she also talked about how f3 with an inactive is bad and that was also just mentioned.
I always, always yeet ia. The sus part here, was that in the particular game referenced, maf attempted a strategy on d2 that would have placed an ia in f3, and could have resulted in a town loss d3.
In other words, why argue against voting ia, then reference a game in which ia could have caused town to lose? Sus.
Ia have often been the bane of town. To see tessa (who has seen ia problems firsthand) argue against yeeting the ia....sorry, but it seemed like a possibility of protecting a wolfy partner.
My biggest suspicion might be dolby, but he's provided too much in content worth to be voted d1. I can't explicitly point out which quote, it will be resolved endgame.
The flipping town/sus quickly and without reason always appears sus. Almost a 'keep all your options open' kind of thing. I think if it's based in trying to solve, at least give reasons for clearing/flipping/sussing that other people can follow. Iow, help solve.
Where I started to read tessa somewhat differently was when it seemed she was alluding to pr.
Theres a lot of things hanging in the air right now that I don't think we can discuss until after the game for the sake of keeping town alive and its killing me.
Interjection here- this is what I was thinking at the time, and is something maf would do to blend in. I haven't iso'd to see when/how everyone got the tessa tr, but I do plan to do that later.
ok so heres our two options we're kind of split on. let me explain my reasoning with the odds.
1. dolby (making the assumption he IS a pr and town) gets the item:
pr + item = 2 good things
If its, say a 25% (and this feels generous) chance of being medical, and he's going to get killed no matter what, then its a 75% chance of losing two beneficial things for town
Ultimately, after rereading, I concluded tessa was either a town pr, or vanilla town, (which I left in my night legacy post), either trying to take the heat off of dolby, or to spread out the targets.
So hope that explains some of my tessa reads. Sorry for the delay!
@BetsySundrop Dan said you didn't want the power yesterday? I'm trying to find where you said it sbfjsbf, it sounds vaguely familiar but I really only remember Tessa straight up not wanting it (and now it's pretty clear why). Is there a reason you want the power today after not wanting it yesterday? Are you as confident as Dolby that you can provide results with it?
Correct! After dolby's intro post, and then based on his/tessa's posts, where tessa alluded to pr, my thought process was-
If dolby was confident his role would help him use the item, and he was appearing pretty town, it was def in our best interest for him to have the item. Also, it made sense that the item would have some sort of protective power (otherwise, it wouldn't be useful it seems?), so best to give it to the pr.
Because tessa was nk, and dolby is alive, so many possibilities arise-
Dan theory is: (1 maf with vig).
Tessa nk, dolby alive: why?
Why not tessa nk, and dolby killed with vig power? Especially after his alluding to having strong pr. You'd think he'd have been taken out if it was possible.
Possibles : the item protected dolby, or his pr protected him, or it's 1 maf not with sniping power but something else, or it's 2 maf with no pr, or dolby is maf.
I can't think of any other possibles atm. It's frustrating we can't ask dolby ANYTHING about the item...
I can't prove it atm, but I am town. I can maybe lay out the benefits.
If dolby gets item again, it's more of a risk all contained within 1 person. I've inferred (perhaps incorrectly) that dan and dolby may have access to alignment info.
Right now dan and dolby have insight that can help if we go to d3 (if they aren't maf, lol). I think we need more. I would like the item this evening, as I think it would help if 3 town had advantages. Also, if dolby or dan is dirty, whatever the item is might uncover that.
If the item is a protection from being killed, it will keep me alive n2. At this time, dolby and/or dan may be able to use whatever prs they may have to help them with my alignment, with myself present for d3 (if we need to go to d3). That's if it's protective.
Also, spreading out the targets. 2 possible prs and 1 item holder.
If the mafia was worried that tessa was gonna detectivate me and clear my name, that could also be a thing. no one else here is really drawing that much town heat so it's possible they want me to stay and to stay undetectivated
sup, before I dive into the thread (coming soon) I'm going to attempt to dive in deeper into the item used last night
1. Dan can confirm that it was used in a effective manner, by me. I think that I'm pushing boundaries even saying this tbh
2. I firmly believe that the conditions that existed on d1 to make me the optimal item recepient still exist d2, particularly given that I believe that Tessa was the mafia's kill target, and not myself. I will strongly be campaigning for the item, and I think that I am still the optimal person to make sure that it is used and reported effectively. Tessa read between the lines to give it to me, the lines to be read between still exist, and yeah.
you've given us nothing though
and you suddenly having an item isn't good for the townies gameplay wise if you're a townie I don't think. I can't explicitly say why but like, all the clues are there.
Literally the best outcome for townies tonight (not even kidding, especially given recent events) is everyone voting to keep me, giving me a huge town read, and the item
If I don't die, I'm the mafia
idk if that's game-ending for townies though tbh
2nd best outcome is too revealing
gonna wait for dolby and frosty to get back now. some's gotta be picking up what I'm putting down
ngl I'm like, how was the item even useful? can't discuss it, no saving tess, no info from it, no one killed by it, but despite all that, is a targeted item?
atm my best guess is it was a roleblock and you roleblocked dan
ngl I'm like, how was the item even useful? can't discuss it, no saving tess, no info from it, no one killed by it, but despite all that, is a targeted item?
atm my best guess is it was a roleblock and you roleblocked dan
Honestly given that I (probably) wasn't targetted for a kill last night, I think that we should rely on me all game for the item, especially with 5 left and projected only one more instance of mafia killing before f3
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also re: mafia has a vig theory
I don't believe that. I think we're dealing with one mafia, with only one kill per night. Which is a big part of why I continue to advocate for me receiving the item today
sup, before I dive into the thread (coming soon) I'm going to attempt to dive in deeper into the item used last night
1. Dan can confirm that it was used in a effective manner, by me. I think that I'm pushing boundaries even saying this tbh
2. I firmly believe that the conditions that existed on d1 to make me the optimal item recepient still exist d2, particularly given that I believe that Tessa was the mafia's kill target, and not myself. I will strongly be campaigning for the item, and I think that I am still the optimal person to make sure that it is used and reported effectively. Tessa read between the lines to give it to me, the lines to be read between still exist, and yeah.
See, my theory is, if a person gets the item and would live to see another day, then I think I should really have it. My other reasoning was pretty good, too.
Also -##Betsy in Blue! is, imo, a much better campaign slogan. Boldly and dolby aren't really catchy together, and it's a bit of a tongue stumble...no offense...
I don't believe that. I think we're dealing with one mafia, with only one kill per night. Which is a big part of why I continue to advocate for me receiving the item today
See, my theory is, if a person gets the item and would live to see another day, then I think I should really have it. My other reasoning was pretty good, too.
Also -##Betsy in Blue! is, imo, a much better campaign slogan. Boldly and dolby aren't really catchy together, and it's a bit of a tongue stumble...no offense...
I might end up voting for you to get the item ngl, if I can't get it myself (don't want to give it to the same person twice yet I don't think, especially as we don't have much knowledge, and a bit because dolby survived (makes some sense tessa was targeted instead, but is still slightly convenient given his heat))
but I *really* want more from you, not in terms of reads and isos necessarily, but in terms of allusions like tess and dolby have done.
tbh if i am wrong that would be sad but it would only hurt in the specific case that I get a cop inspect or something similar. Would not hurt in any other case. That said I just don't believe that the mafia is a big
Sorry, not gonna happen on my part. I do not trust you. I know I'm town.
You appear to be dismissing all of my reasoning, and instead of countering with other reasoning, you just say trust me.
Ain't gonna happen. And quite frankly, as you aren't allowed to discuss the item or its effects, we don't appear to be any further along to solving this thing today other than "trust me", and I, for one, do not want 3 people to be sitting in f3 with you, and the best you can do is trust me.
tbh if i am wrong that would be sad but it would only hurt in the specific case that I get a cop inspect or something similar. Would not hurt in any other case. That said I just don't believe that the mafia is a big
worst thing that happens is: you're targeted and die tonight
which having the item will already make you a target
best thing is: it maybe helps the townies
not rolefishing anyone else rn, just whoever wants the item most
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tbh yeah, that's how I'll vote item
you want item? you give me info
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which, again, by wanting the item, you're already wanting to be a target
