Cheatin', Writin' & 'Rithmetic

[Propaganda Man]

Read this article first.

My view on it is that it is okay to cheat. In math we show our work for one main reason. That reason is that way we can be trained to think a certain way. In life, you can't always be honest, you will have to cheat/lie/steal sometime. If they can get away with it against the toughest teacher let them. They deserve it. What we shouldn't do is let the kids who get caught get away easily. We did that and we ended up with a C average president! He didn't get those grades by, "cheatin"....hopefully...

Discuss.

 

[Triforce3force]

Hmm...very interesting article.

I'm looking at this from my point of view:

I have the ethics, myself, not to cheat. I'd feel horrible, and I wouldn't bring myself to do it. It'd just feel wrong. But that's my code. I read the book instead of Sparknotes. I do stuff the old fashioned way. But...Schools should make a serious effort to apprehend cheaters. Unfortunatly, however many precautions the school may take, they can't stop the students from working at home, on their own computers. Schools can't moniter that, so students have to....moral, shall I say.

If they don't write, they don't get experience. You learn a lot by writing an essay. Grammer, developing your writing style. Frankly, I feel sorry for the students who are so eager to have A's, that they cheat.

Whatever happened to "try your best, and you'll do fine?"

That's what my parents say, and I turned out fine. I have A's, and B's. All from my good, hard work.

No cheating required.

 

[Propaganda Man]

Whatever happened to "try your best, and you'll do fine?"

For some, their best isn't good enough.

 

[Zero_13]

Mino?

>_>, someone needs a name change..

 

[Bulerias]

Hmm...very interesting article, Mino.

I'm looking at this from my point of view:

I have the ethics, myself, not to cheat. I'd feel horrible, and I wouldn't bring myself to do it. It'd just feel wrong. But that's my code. I read the book instead of Sparknotes. I do stuff the old fashioned way. But...Schools should make a serious effort to apprehend cheaters. Unfortunatly, however many precautions the school may take, they can't stop the students from working at home, on their own computers. Schools can't moniter that, so students have to....moral, shall I say.

If they don't write, they don't get experience. You learn a lot by writing an essay. Grammer, developing your writing style. Frankly, I feel sorry for the students who are so eager to have A's, that they cheat.

Whatever happened to "try your best, and you'll do fine?"

That's what my parents say, and I turned out fine. I have A's, and B's. All from my good, hard work.

No cheating required.

Definitely agreed. What cheating does is, the thing is, you MAY pass in that class, but later on in your life when you'll actually need these skills you may not "pass", and in turn not get that job you always wanted, or get fired from the one you already have. Even if that class you're taking isn't necessary for your career in the future, every class improves your problem solving techniques and basically just makes you smarter in general... A well-rounded person.

I've never cheated to this day, and yet I have the same grades as Triforce here.

 

[Triforce3force]

Mino?

>_>, someone needs a name change..

...Oh. I thought I was shortening his name a bit. Does that refer to someone else?


Grr. Cheating just makes me mad in general. Their best isn't good enough, hm? It's called hard work. I'll admit that I reek at grammer, but that's one thing you can't cheat on. Just memorize what prepositions, verb phrases, and clauses are, and the infinite amount of usage. :wacko:

 

[Bulerias]

Whatever happened to "try your best, and you'll do fine?"

For some, their best isn't good enough.

That's because those students are not trying at all. They think they're trying their best, but in fact they're just slacking off and pretending to work. Everyone has a good mind, but not everyone puts it to good use.

@ Zero - Yeah, I thought of that as soon as I saw Trifroce's reply.

 

[Propaganda Man]

Mino?

>_>, someone needs a name change..

Don't get me started >.>

All my good names are already used




I need some sort of meaningful emo name.

 

[Bulerias]

Mino?

>_>, someone needs a name change..

Don't get me started >.>

All my good names are already used




I need some sort of meaningful emo name.

"Slit My Wrists"

Is that meaningful and emo enough?

 

[Propaganda Man]

I can't agree with cheating being so excusable. The whole point is to learn from it. If you're simply copying, you're not learning from it. When writing a paper, the learning can come from doing the research for it. You don't get the same effect by copying a whole paper.

On the other hand, I don't agree with the teaching style in schools. I think the whole way schools are handled is the main problem with a lot of kids. With the environment they're put in, it's hard to learn. It's almost to the point where they're telling kids to memorize something for tomorrow's test, then forget it so you can be prepared for the next test the next day.

The school system itself is a mess. Teachers are often teaching stuff they don't even know, just reading from a book. Good teachers are becoming rare, leaving the things most people have. They don't care about the students. The school just wants to pass everyone through as quickly as possible.

Still, it's not really an excuse to cheat. I do understand why it happens, and I don't think it would if schools would lighten the work load a bit. With all the school work some people get, there's no time to do everything, without getting less than an our of sleep. That's not right.

 

[Propaganda Man]

Mino?

>_>, someone needs a name change..

Don't get me started >.>

All my good names are already used




I need some sort of meaningful emo name.

"Slit My Wrists"

Is that meaningful and emo enough?

Not meaningful enough. Too steoypical as well.

 

[Triforce3force]

Mino?

>_>, someone needs a name change..

Don't get me started >.>

All my good names are already used




I need some sort of meaningful emo name.

"Slit My Wrists"

Is that meaningful and emo enough?

Or you could name yourself Sasuke. *laughs insanely*

Anyway. I think I missed a joke or something.

 

[Zero_13]

Mino was TBT's best member, and he's a Sage.. and he's banned too..

 

[Triforce3force]

Mino was TBT's best member, and he's a Sage.. and he's banned too..

Ah. Ok. Sorry. *goes to edit post to remove name.*

What? MINOranza? It was a good abbreviation! <_<

 

[Sporge27]

Ok enough of Mino we don't need to start this in this thread.

Anyway as far as cheating goes I don't care if others do it there is a risk of being found out and they make that choice. It is the same risk you take when you do anything illegal.

I pride myself in knowing I don't cheat. I am a perfectly honest guy, if you don't know I am an eagle scout, one that takes pride in following the 12 points of the scout law.

However at the same time I don't feel that sparknotes is necessarily cheating....It is a good study guide if you don't understand a book on your own. Some are written very odd and sparknotes can be as helpful as a teacher and easier to access. However I read that with the book and try to form my own opinions on it, but a note thing like that does help you understand a book better.

 

[Triforce3force]

Ok enough of Mino we don't need to start this in this thread.

Anyway as far as cheating goes I don't care if others do it there is a risk of being found out and they make that choice. It is the same risk you take when you do anything illegal.

I pride myself in knowing I don't cheat. I am a perfectly honest guy, if you don't know I am an eagle scout, one that takes pride in following the 12 points of the scout law.

However at the same time I don't feel that sparknotes is necessarily cheating....It is a good study guide if you don't understand a book on your own. Some are written very odd and sparknotes can be as helpful as a teacher and easier to access. However I read that with the book and try to form my own opinions on it, but a note thing like that does help you understand a book better.

Yes, but some people don't even read the book, then just read sparknotes.

If the teacher gives a test, which most of the questions Sparknotes doesn't include, due to them being not major events in the story, they fail the test. Serves 'em right.

 

[Sporge27]

Ok enough of Mino we don't need to start this in this thread.

Anyway as far as cheating goes I don't care if others do it there is a risk of being found out and they make that choice. It is the same risk you take when you do anything illegal.

I pride myself in knowing I don't cheat. I am a perfectly honest guy, if you don't know I am an eagle scout, one that takes pride in following the 12 points of the scout law.

However at the same time I don't feel that sparknotes is necessarily cheating....It is a good study guide if you don't understand a book on your own. Some are written very odd and sparknotes can be as helpful as a teacher and easier to access. However I read that with the book and try to form my own opinions on it, but a note thing like that does help you understand a book better.

Yes, but some people don't even read the book, then just read sparknotes.

If the teacher gives a test, which most of the questions Sparknotes doesn't include, due to them being not major events in the story, they fail the test. Serves 'em right.

:lol: Exactly! that is the risk factor they take. As long as there is a harsh consequence for their actions let them take it! They gert caught cheating or by a surprise test it is their own fault right?

I understand they try to argue out of it in class sometimes, like I don't think that test was fair. I don't care because the most any of my teachers have done is made it so the test might be out of a few less points, maes my grade better too so I don't mind.

 

[SL92]

Cheating usually tortures my conscience.

 

[Jeremy]

Showing your work in math is to:
1) Help yourself fully understand and it easily find a mistake if one occurs.
2) Show your teacher you fully understand it and if you make a minor mistake, he or she may give you partial credit.

not to cheat...

 

[Propaganda Man]

Showing your work in math is to:
1) Help yourself fully understand and it easily find a mistake if one occurs.
2) Show your teacher you fully understand it and if you make a minor mistake, he or she may give you partial credit.

not to cheat...

1. That is not true. The purpose of it is to teach us how to look at something and how to solve problems. The answer is extremely important, but you need to learn how to get to it first.
2. I never said it helps you cheat.