concerned about time travel

[Brookie]

Hello fellow animal crossers~!

I was curious if any more news came about on TTing and I found this Nintendo Life article from Feb 1st (after we concluded TT removal was a misunderstanding)

It says it won't be there
I guess this is good, but also bad....I'll miss so many things because of my busy schedule!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...sing_new_horizons_n_everything_we_know_so_far

 

[Feraligator]

Are you sure the article is not saying "because of time travel, there will be no cloud saves" instead of "there will be no time travel and no cloud saves"?

Those two sentences just say there'll be no cloud saves because of time travelling. It doesn't say there won't be time travelling.

 

[John Wick]

Yep. Tis a shame.

I still want to hear from people who have tried it once it comes out.

 

[Aubrey895]

Unless I am not understanding isn't that just saying cloud saves won't be available?

 

[Blue Triangles]

To me that's just expressing to us that TT is the reason cloud saves won't be available and not that TT won't feature.

 

[kemdi]

This article is pretty outdated. Nintendo said afterwards that NH will support cloud saves, but not with the regular cloud that comes with the switch online service. ACNH will have its own version of cloud saves, but you'll still need a Switch online account for it.

And unless the game is controlled by a server clock, it's not really possible to prevent time travelling. The Switch still allows you to change your system clock, which is most likely the clock that the game will go by.

 

[Brookie]

PHEW thank you all for easing my fears! It's been a long day of studying for Accounting 2 from Uni/College, so I prob didn't conceptualize it properly.

 

[Feraligator]

PHEW thank you all for easing my fears! It's been a long day of studying for Accounting 2 from Uni/College, so I prob didn't conceptualize it properly.

Tell me about it... I've been writing about oxygen and carbon isotopes in oceans 55 million years ago for the past week. I just want Animal Crossing already /sob

 

[Mayor Monday]

Are you sure the article is not saying "because of time travel, there will be no cloud saves" instead of "there will be no time travel and no cloud saves"?

Those two sentences just say there'll be no cloud saves because of time travelling. It doesn't say there won't be time travelling.

I second this! When you read the article, it states:

"...due to concerns involving ‘time manipulation’ (messing with the system clock to ‘time travel’ for specific items/benefits/events), Nintendo has confirmed that, disappointingly, cloud saves won’t be supported in the game."

Due to- or because of- the concerns involving players time traveling, Nintendo won't have cloud saves.

 

[Neechan]

Hello fellow animal crossers~!

I was curious if any more news came about on TTing and I found this Nintendo Life article from Feb 1st (after we concluded TT removal was a misunderstanding)

It says it won't be there
I guess this is good, but also bad....I'll miss so many things because of my busy schedule!

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/20...sing_new_horizons_n_everything_we_know_so_far

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This is basically saying that cloud saves won’t be a thing due to the manipulation of time travel being available, not that you won’t be able to do it...meaning to is still a thing

 

[Xara]

i think that might just be about the lack of cloud saves; i haven’t seen anything that says time travel won’t be allowed.

 

[MKInfinite]

This is the same reason pokemon and splatoon 2 don't have cloud saves, because Nintendo does not want people exploiting stuff. (this obviously doesn't deter people with hacked switches)

It is not an indication that time traveling won't be possible, the switch functions with the ingame clock. If pokemon can do time travel, so will Animal Crossing.

But still, it would be better to wait for proper confirmation instead of wondering if a thing is there or not.

 

[JKDOS]

Cloud saves have nothing to do with time travel. In this case, the time manipulation refers to going back to older saves. (i.e Item Duplication and Save Exploits.)

It is 100% impossible to restrict time travel on an offline game.

 

[MozzarellaSticks]

Remember, the devs tried to cal New Leaf unhackable. Where there?s a will, there?s a way. Even if they removed time travel (which would be difficult since we?d need to be able to set our time), people would find a way around it

 

[Brookie]

Cloud saves have nothing to do with time travel. In this case, the time manipulation refers to going back to older saves. (i.e Item Duplication and Save Exploits.)

It is 100% impossible to restrict time travel on an offline game.

You sure? I agree with your sentiment but what about Tomodachi Life. When you change your clock on your 3DS, it detects it and stops time for a few days...hard to explain

 

[JKDOS]

You sure? I agree with your sentiment but what about Tomodachi Life. When you change your clock on your 3DS, it detects it and stops time for a few days...hard to explain

I am 1000000000000% sure. I wrote an essay in another thread why. But the essay is pointless because of the #2 main facts.

1. Cloud saves have nothing to do with time travel.

2. Animal Crossing is an offline game. Not an MMORPG. That means it doesn't sync to a server.

EDIT: If you wish to read the longer version, here it is: https://www.belltreeforums.com/show...New-Horizons&p=8417803&viewfull=1#post8417803

 

[jiojiop]

You sure? I agree with your sentiment but what about Tomodachi Life. When you change your clock on your 3DS, it detects it and stops time for a few days...hard to explain

That's a great point about Tomodachi Life. They have every ability to detect changes to the system clock or in-game clock and they can 'punish' time travel in ways like Mr. Resetti punished save-resetting – like Tomodachi Life they can keep the shops closed for a bit, not show seasonal stuff, etc. Theoretically, they could punish it so heavily that it effectively disables time travel as a useful option. But...

(1) this would punish too many people who use clock changes for totally valid reasons – crossing date lines and time zones may force you to change the hour or even the day

(2) Nintendo has always taken a tongue-in-cheek, wink-while-wagging-a-finger attitude to cheating. I mean... "Mr. Resetti"? And Tomodachi Life didn't even disable it though it did take a harder line in punishing it – they actually had a lighter punishment (24 hr disable rather than days) if you TT'd through the in-game clock rather than system one.

So it seems unlikely they'd change course now and punish it heavily to the point of disabling it – it goes against their pattern and it would catch up too many innocents who are just trying to follow their real local time. Not to mention the people who just want to change the clock to accommodate their schedules so they can have fun. Nintendo will never get in the way of fun.

 

[Neechan]

That's a great point about Tomodachi Life. They have every ability to detect changes to the system clock or in-game clock and they can 'punish' time travel in ways other than Mr. Resetti ? like Tomodachi Life they can keep the shops closed for a bit, not show seasonal stuff, etc. Theoretically, they could punish it so heavily that it effectively disables time travel as a useful option. But...

(1) this would punish too many people who use clock changes for totally valid reasons ? crossing date lines and time zones may force you to change the hour or even the day

(2) Nintendo has always taken a tongue-in-cheek, wink-while-wagging-a-finger attitude to TTing. I mean... "Mr. Resetti"? And Tomodachi Life didn't even disable it though it did take a harder line in punishing it ? they actually had a lighter punishment (24 hr disable rather than days) if you TT'd through the in-game clock rather than system one.

So it seems unlikely they'd change course now and punish it heavily to the point of disabling it ? it goes against their pattern and it would catch up too many innocents who are just trying to follow their real local time. Not to mention the people who just want to change the clock to accommodate their schedules so they can have fun. Nintendo will never get in the way of fun.

I actually hated that penalty in tomdachi life, especially when it came to dst, I came to the point that I?d set my 3ds a few days ahead so that I wouldn?t miss anything, even setting it permanently an hour behind so I just wouldn?t mess with it anymore...

 

[jiojiop]

I actually hated that penalty in tomdachi life, especially when it came to dst, I came to the point that I’d set my 3ds a few days ahead so that I wouldn’t miss anything, even setting it permanently an hour behind so I just wouldn’t mess with it anymore...

Yeah it really sucks. I hope they won't do that to Animal Crossing. They've always turned a blind eye to 'cheating' in the past, what with Mr Resetti and resetting and enabling you to adjust the game clock within the game so it's different from the system clock so it's even easier to TT! So I doubt they'd do it now. Can't say 100% though.

But yeah, one thing for certain: autosaving doesn't disable TTing. It just might make it inconvenient for some by committing you to certain changes in your island (like villagers moving out). Save resetting and TTing often go hand in hand.

 

[Neechan]

Yeah it really sucks. I hope they won't do that to Animal Crossing. They've always turned a blind eye to 'cheating' in the past, what with Mr Resetti and resetting and enabling you to adjust the game clock within the game so it's different from the system clock so it's even easier to TT! So I doubt they'd do it now. Can't say 100% though.

But yeah, one thing for certain: autosaving doesn't disable TTing. It just might make it inconvenient for some by committing you to certain changes in your island (like villagers moving out). Save resetting and TTing often go hand in hand.

I agree, I recall messing with time a while back to plot reset (so...many....hours... were consumed) before the update in late 2016 which made it easier with patterns which used to be erased, I can’t tell you how many times they did this before WA but it was too much to count XD

I was trying to figure out how someone could duplicate with saves for a while now as saves are tied to the console and there is no way to abuse it as loading a previous save just brought you back to when you save last, thinking about it now, it’s probably that som3one could take another switch and dupe with another copy (or a friend that helps you do this) thinking about it this way....it makes me think that their will be no manual save like we did in the past....but I could be wrong.