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Mafia Forest Fire Mafia - Town Win- Endgame

I mean lynching any inactive could be considered an easy lynch because they're inactive.

I'm not blaming town for the mislynch, but don't blame me for all of it when no one did anything if they thought it was a bad lynch.

The way panda worded her waiting for night to end and see who died, made me think she didn't know this was an arsonist game. I mean no one can be ignited without being doused so i'm pretty sure everyone who knows how arsonists work would know that's the plan for that night, so i told her no one could die that night. I didn't know what arson games where until this game so the role list is all i really knew about how it worked. Is getting my info from the rolelist scummy?

ya but you didnt want to lynch just any inactive cause i brought that up at the time....
 
ya but you didnt want to lynch just any inactive cause i brought that up at the time....

I knew for a fact starry would be inactive the whole game

The other inactives i didn't know if they were coming on or if they would negatively affect the game. I also didn't want to go on another inactive because i was already on one so why be wishy washy and change?

I feel like we're going back to what was already discussed, new questions I have no problem answering but the same things being brought up are just pointless as I've already answered them.
 
Sorry for my inactivity, don't want to make up excuses but I'll definitely try and post more. Anyhow, sort of been typing this up over a long period of time as I've been busy so some parts might be outdated or incorrect.

Tom- He has been acting very weird and suspicious, but I am inclined to believe that Tom is town based on some of his current posts though.
Meow- She seems very content with her posts and cases and they are informative, she seems determined to hunt down scum.
Minties- Claimed to be doused and saved, and doctor didn't reveal themselves to justify that the claim was false, so I am assuming she is telling the truth.
Oath- Not much to say to be honest, I don't know if he's being serious or not with this game.
Ayaya- Seems like she would rather defend herself than make claims about other people just to be safe.
Trundle- Very aggressive towards other players and defensive of himself. His hostility makes it hard to determine if he is town or mafia. I'm leaning towards town as I don't think mafia would be acting that way to get themselves lynched already.
Trojan- Obviously not taking this game seriously, unless he is usually like this. Claimed to be doused, which I believe as I'm pretty sure it was only Trojan and Minties who claimed they were doused. Still has strong bias opinions on Daniel, but I guess I can see that as Daniel lead a lynch on the vigilante.
White Claw- Has appeared to been lurking the thread a lot and not posting. Has also been voting without saying anything. I feel like he is town, because I don't think any mafia would be dumb enough to do so his actions.
Reyy- Most of their posts are slang or sort of off topic to what everyone else had been posting recently. Also blames time zones as her excuse even though its still possible to post during any time of the day.
Dolby- Hasn't been posting much as he used to in other games, so something isn't right.
Panda- Very active and responds to some posts rather quickly. Not sure what to think of her but I'm thinking town
Luca- Hasn't said much, his case he posted seemed legit, don't want to believe
Kit- I don't know why but to me she seems a bit off. Her posts seem a bit forced. I don't really have much evidence on Kit but I feel like I should keep an eye on her.
Daniel- Lead a mislynch on Starry, probably just a bad stuff up as town. I still have my slight suspicions on him
Jellofish- Always full of excuses and usually inactive in games. Hard to determine their actions.

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yikes, shouldve organised it more..
 
Why the hell would anybody douse you?


Also, please recall that Kit accidently confirmed Trojan as vig


Because I thought I had more time to post and my parents had movie tickets that I thought we had to leave an hour later for, oops on my part


So had literally 50% of the playerlist



You were on my scum team last game and you should know this. I was against killing Trojan night one, even though he was a confirmed vig by Kit, and more inclined to kill Blu Rose because I knew that Trojan would do little in the thread to harm us and was shooting town. As mafia, I am more inclined to kill players who are actual threats.



I have a life outside of mafia and haven't been able to come online until now(I went downhill skiing today, it was awesome).

After reading through past games, I feel more inclined to think that Trundle is town as compared to scum, I will post why in a bit.
You did blue snip trojan, kit only confirmed that you were right.

Yes, you wanted to roleblock trojan, but last game you were more concentrating on blue snipping while the rest of us were still alive. There's no role blocker this game and no one got suspicious of you at that time so what threat would be there to kill? Dousing a blue role makes pretty good sense to me for scum since it's a player that could be a threat with their action.

Oh no it's that "I have a life" card again. It's always a pretty convenient and almost impossible to counter statement. No one can prove you in fact are busy or not so it's very easy to say. I have a life too and play as much as i can so it doesn't really give anyone a free pass.
 
Yes, you wanted to roleblock trojan, but last game you were more concentrating on blue snipping while the rest of us were still alive.

And I don't think that I ever stated that I wanted to block Trojan either in reindeer mafia

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Have any other idea why Trojan was doused then?

Two. The mafia could have withheld a douse and told him to lie to the town that he was doused, or somebody who they know irl could have done it because they didn't want them catching on to them.
 
what don't understand is if Trojan was really doused why wouldn't he be doing more to help find mafia ?
 
Hi guys really liking the discussion taking place, not so sure I'll get another reads/response post up until tomorrow. The meal I had last night was pretty bad because I've been medicating and sleeping the day away.

Just one thing, Dolby you're typically good at bluesniping. I'd love it if you posted what roles you think everyone possess.
 
I?ll start from least active to most active:

mother of llamas
Voted for CMD on D1 and made 6 posts so far. Very little to say and promises in [a href=http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?344974-Forest-Fire-Mafia-Day-2&p=6104984&viewfull=1#post6104984]this post[/a] to post their reads later. Pretty quick to confirm who is town but I?ll wait for their reasoning.

EDIT: posted their reads while I was typing this [a href=http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?344974-Forest-Fire-Mafia-Day-2&p=6107459&viewfull=1#post6107459]here[/a], skimmed through it and seems town so far.​

JellofishXD
Didn't vote. Mostly apologizing for being inactive. Was also inactive on Reindeer mafia so I?ll also wait for their reads​

Reyy
Voted for Starry. Also posts very little and little to say. She explained her reason for voting Starry [a href=http://www.belltreeforums.com/showthread.php?344974-Forest-Fire-Mafia-Day-2&p=6101798&viewfull=1#post6101798]here[/a]. Waiting for her to say more.​

Dolby
Didn?t vote. Have no idea how he plays. Last game he was GF he was serious and more helpful, obviously because he was trying to lead town to his favors. He seems less serious in this game so I?m assuming he?s town for now?​

Lucanosa
Didn't vote. Pretty quick to jump to conclusion. On the last game you were going for Ness who was aggressive in his pursuit, who ended up being townie. You also pointed out that I didn?t bring good points then assume I?m letting other scums proofread it, when if that is true, my read would?ve been better? Seems town but I?ll wait for for more of their posts.​

Trundle
Voted for m3ow. Like Dolby, I have no idea how to read his behavior. Quick to confirm Daniel as town. I?ll need to examine his posts more. I?ll have my eye on him for now.​

Trojan
Voted for CMD and is set on lynching CMD. Claims to be doused, which I?m guessing because he was vig on the last game and scum thinks he?d be a threat if isn?t doused early, assuming he is. Posts very little and doesn?t seem serious. On the fence for him.​

THIS IS TAKING WAY TOO LONG SO HERE?S THE FIRST HALF. BE BACK LATER.
 
Voting for Dolby currently. I can't think of any other reason why Trojan would ever be doused unless he's suspected blue. I'm finishing up reupholstering my couch, so I'll read what you all have to say in a few hours.
 
I'm comparing Trundle's behavior between this game, as mafia, and as town in recent games
Game: Kissing to be Clever Role: Townie
Why are you so hasty to vote? A revenge vote? What is it going to accomplish that you hastily voted against the one who accused you?[/B} Why are you suddenly bandwagoning onto bunny because of the one post? Go think for yourself.

In response to Forek voting for pillow bunny day one in that game

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I don't believe my accusations on you should for any reason trigger a suspicion on me. I believe that to be equivalent to revenge voting with is a very scummy move. You have absolutely nothing against me in my behaviour or play style as of it, while you pushed for Daniel even though he was playing his very easy to see through town play style. What are you trying to put on me? You have no reasoning for your suspicion? If you're going to call me out at least bring a reason.
In response to being voted for by m3ow

KTBC Role: Townie
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How are you writing chees off as red so fast and how are you writing chipped-teacup as town so fast?

chees4mees' post is literally
1) it's hard to get evidence day 1
2) endless might be mafia because of his really stupid accusation

Obviously the latter point is based off the former. The two points complement each other very well. I don't see what you're seeing. Inconsistencies are really the only way to spot scum day 1 unless you're Karla, and the only person being highly inconsistent in what they're saying is you, Forek.

Endless is saying a lot. In terms of music you could say that he is definitely overplaying. He definitely has too much knowledge relative to how well he knows how to apply it in game. That makes him look kinda sketchy. I really can't get a read off of him either way.
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It's not dumb stuff. You instantly pointed out Daniel's town behaviour as scum behaviour and I do not believe from his posts that he is mafia. I think the fact that you are completely off putting my post without any reason behind it shows you have something to hide. I can understand the Starry lynch for sure because it creates confusion in every game. I'm not sure why hosts let him into games because they can't even play, it's pretty ridiculous to me.

Regardless, your reaction was very scummy in my opinion, m30w_. If you are lynched today you will surely be struck down eventually for your refusal to reason based on behaviour.
Game: Smash mafia Role: Mafia Roleblocker
Holy crap Daniel. I honestly don't think you put any thought into your posts. Or you're just using mafia CrapLogic. Either way, Kit's post quality is 400% better than yours and it seems you're just trying to confuse vigilantes like oath
What an idiot. Holy crap

Trundle seems to insult and write off people's posts as garbage as mafia. As town, he'll tend to explain why he thinks that people are town/mafia and why people shouldn't think that way

On why suspects are mafia
KTBC as townie
he's literally contradicted himself like 3 different times and keeps avoiding questions about why he kept claiming different roles
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Tom even ADMITTED he didn't know which of my posts were pre or post game start. What does that show? He didn't do the research. He's either scum and trying to get me out early or he is a poor town player. From the amount of effort he has put into his posts onto me, obviously pushing with a cause, we can likely cross out the latter.

Smash as mafia
Hey guys, I don't really have much to say in defense to this. I am not mafia but in truth, if I were, I would kill Tom. I'm not sure where Dad is saying I was bandwagoning on StarryWolf when I was the first one to bring up suspicions of her. I didn't feel the need to reiterate my points because I had already said them. Either way, a day one lynch is a day one lynch and we did good on it.
And no points earlier on why Tom was scum


To sum it up, Trundle acts differently between being mafia and town. The thing that made people suspicious of him was his response to m3ow, which he handled similarly to how he normally does stuff as town.

And for Tom

Oath2order-Town
Kit-Null
reyy-Null
Panda-Leaning red (Response to Ayaya's "case")
Jello-PR
Trojan- How should I know, pancake king
Call me Daniel- (Slightly) Leaning Red
Tom-Leaning Town
Ayaya- weak town vibes
Lucanosa-Leaning Red (50/50 Minties suspicion. WTF)
Minties-Town
m3ow-Prob Town
Trundle- Leaning Town
White Claw-???
Llama-Leaning Town

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I don't mind being lynched if it clears up my alignment, but why the **** would anybody douse Trojan? Even if they thought they were blue? Hunter's dead, there's no cop, and he doesn't scumhunt at all.
 
Why are you trying to get the doctor to out themselves so damn early?

I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but I'm not. I was just answering a question about why a mafia may claim they were saved overnight. I was not suggesting any action in the game, just answering a question about meta.

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my thoughts on Trundle:

Quite aggressive, impulsive and contradicting behavior

I don't understand why he gets so upset when questioned. He doesn?t take enough time to explain his thought process so of course we are going to suspect him. He is always so certain of himself, instead of saying ?I am suspicious of X, here?s why.? He won't explain his reasoning unless asked to. He told me that he explained why he suspects Tom before he actually did.

He is very critical of everyone's suspicions, except his own.



Tom pointed out his really quick decision to townread Daniel & vote me very early into the game. That is suspicious.

He told me I was bangwagoning Daniel with a ?quick reaction? to his ?obviously town posts? without considering for half a second that maybe, just maybe, I was trying to end the shtposting and scumhunt?? Y?know, that thing you?re supposed to do as town?

The reasoning he gave to not suspect Daniel was that he doesn?t joke around when he?s mafia. Well Daniel has only been mafia once, and he was lynched D1 so why on earth would he play the same way that he did in that game??

And oh come on. Tom does not suspect him because he did not lynch scum D1. Trundle is sus because as town, even on D1, with ?nothing to go on? you?re going to AT LEAST try to get rid of the most threatening/harmful player. If he would have waited to vote me at least until I got the chance to reply to him, I?d feel differently about him, but he didn?t. He wasted his vote & that?s not very town-like.



So basically, I?m scummy for making a light accusation of Daniel D1 but Trundle is town for instantly voting me based on 1 post I made.

It?s a-okay for him to make accusations based on little evidence, because ?there?s not much to go on?. He uses this phrase to his advantage in every way he can. He undermines everybody?s case on him by saying that there is little to nothing to go on, but supports his cases with the fact that he?s going on ?the best of what he has?.

Unfortunately for you, making a read "quickly" does not constitute whether or not I'm scum.
- It doesn't matter how quick I make a read, it's all about what I made it for. I looked at Daniel's posts and noticed his behavior is similar to that of games where he is town. I saw you very quickly go after him for little to no reason, which I found suspicious, so I pushed onto you.
- Also, I did not "waste" my vote. If you had adequately replied (which you didn't, you just acted defensive), I may have been able to switch my vote off of you. Again, unfortunately, you had no reason for me to switch my vote off of you.
- Regardless of that, it is still not scummy in any way to vote for someone you find suspicious as long as you put the reason down, which I had. Voting someone early in the game is not suspicious. If you could explain how it is suspicious or maybe even how it differs from my normal town play style (it doesn't), then you would finally have a grain of salt of evidence on me.

You all have quite the strawman argument going on right now towards me.
 
I'm comparing Trundle's behavior between this game, as mafia, and as town in recent games
Game: Kissing to be Clever Role: Townie

In response to Forek voting for pillow bunny day one in that game

This game

In response to being voted for by m3ow

KTBC Role: Townie

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Game: Smash mafia Role: Mafia Roleblocker



Trundle seems to insult and write off people's posts as garbage as mafia. As town, he'll tend to explain why he thinks that people are town/mafia and why people shouldn't think that way

On why suspects are mafia
KTBC as townie

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Smash as mafia

And no points earlier on why Tom was scum

To sum it up, Trundle acts differently between being mafia and town. The thing that made people suspicious of him was his response to m3ow, which he handled similarly to how he normally does stuff as town.

And for Tom

Oath2order-Town
Kit-Null
reyy-Null
Panda-Leaning red (Response to Ayaya's "case")
Jello-PR
Trojan- How should I know, pancake king
Call me Daniel- (Slightly) Leaning Red
Tom-Leaning Town
Ayaya- weak town vibes
Lucanosa-Leaning Red (50/50 Minties suspicion. WTF)
Minties-Town
m3ow-Prob Town
Trundle- Leaning Town
White Claw-???
Llama-Leaning Town

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I don't mind being lynched if it clears up my alignment, but why the **** would anybody douse Trojan? Even if they thought they were blue? Hunter's dead, there's no cop, and he doesn't scumhunt at all.

Are you soft claiming townie? You're the 2nd one willing to be lynched so quickly.

Lucanosa usually just sucks at scum hunting and doesn't read so it's probably that if anything.

I still think a veteran blue snipped the professional banana peeler.
 
Also, if it really does come between me and Dolby, please lynch me. I don't know what Dolby's role is but I'm a townie so I won't die. I'm very glad to see Dolby actually making a case based on behavior which is pretty much all we have to go on.


I'm going to just go ahead and say, by the way, that I think Lucanosa is trying to jump onto a bandwagon and be original with his points but if you read his points, they are very poorly brought up. After what I've read in the last few pages, I don't know about Minties or Tom, although I do believe Lucanosa is a bit fishy. I'll be back on tomorrow I suppose. Again, I'm open to any questions you may have for me. If you really are town and think I'm mafia, asking me questions is the best way to find me out.
 
Why do all the townies willing to be lynched

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I get you guys can prove you're innocent when you're lynched. But don't you think lynching for scum would be more beneficial to town.
 
I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, but I'm not. I was just answering a question about why a mafia may claim they were saved overnight. I was not suggesting any action in the game, just answering a question about meta.

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Unfortunately for you, making a read "quickly" does not constitute whether or not I'm scum.
- It doesn't matter how quick I make a read, it's all about what I made it for. I looked at Daniel's posts and noticed his behavior is similar to that of games where he is town. I saw you very quickly go after him for little to no reason, which I found suspicious, so I pushed onto you.
- Also, I did not "waste" my vote. If you had adequately replied (which you didn't, you just acted defensive), I may have been able to switch my vote off of you. Again, unfortunately, you had no reason for me to switch my vote off of you.
- Regardless of that, it is still not scummy in any way to vote for someone you find suspicious as long as you put the reason down, which I had. Voting someone early in the game is not suspicious. If you could explain how it is suspicious or maybe even how it differs from my normal town play style (it doesn't), then you would finally have a grain of salt of evidence on me.

You all have quite the strawman argument going on right now towards me.

Replying from mobile is annoying

* It wasn't just quick, you made it based on 1 post that I softly accused Daniel

How was I defensive.... Lol wat did u even read my reply

he got lynched day 1 in reindeer mafia when he was mafia.. if he's smart he's not gonna play it like he did last time. also like his first post in reindeer mafia was "maybe in this game I'll finally be scum" so I assumed he hadn't been mafia in other games before that?

not sure why you're voting me though. I'm hesitant to vote atm, still want to hear more from everyone

also Haydenn (piichinu) is banned for 2 weeks smh

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ugh sorry for the edit I forgot and wanted to add the thing about Hayden, I didn't change what I said though
 
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