Mafia Into the MarioVerse Kingmaker- Mafia Win!

[epona]

i'm really not bothered to ISO ness because there's so much but these are the main reasons

yes the claim has holes
the biggest problem is that like mafia dont throw away an entire third of their team just to gamble on a pr that they could have easily nightkilled

basically this. ness didn't need to fakeclaim, we were DAYS away from lylo/mylo so this kind of gambit doesn't pay off as scum. best case scenario we kill shawo and then ness is exposed d3 and it's still not lylo. worst case scenario ness dies for the fakeclaim which probably is what would have happened if i weren't king

yes it ended up outting our watcher but still a gamble bc ness wouldn't have known that fleshy would claim

in my experience these stupid failure-prone gambits always come from town trying to make brave plays (see heyden in janitorial also where i townread him for this exact same reason)
the tradeoff wasn't worth it for scum and ness wasn't on the chopping block before he inserted himself in the spotlight. i just don't see it as a scum play

given the amount of claiming crap that's happened so far i think scumteam could quite comfortably stay away from the whole claiming mess and let town run circles around itself and lynch eachother forever over claims

i think it's very possible that none of the claims have come from scum

^^ this, basically
there was already so much claim confusion with shawo/aerious which we now know to be town/town and also unravel's white-text potential soft (also town)

there was literally no need for scum to add to any of that, we all would have ended up lynching each other over claims anyway without scum inserting themselves into that pool so i really can't see ness' fakeclaim play coming from anywhere except misguided town. i'm even more certain about this now that aerious is cleared

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i also don't see scum!ness bringing up unravel as a lynch candidate yesterday: it was left-field and i'd already made it clear at that point that i didn't want to kill him so he could have just sat back and let me kill pretty much anyone else (mainly aerious)

tldr the only way i see ness as scum is if he's teamed with guava (and the unravel suggestion was to deflect from guava, but even that seems a bit too on the nose to be plausible)

even in that scenario, guava can still be lynched first

 

[Ace Marvel]

@voltairenism explain.

 

[Heyden]

@epona Ty!!! Nothing major but still not fun.
Anyway that’s the problem with Sidney if she did rand scum she’s gonna coast by but oh well that’s a problem for later.

@bell account Yes why.

@glow can you pls read my post

 

[glow]

i guess here's my problem with ness and also by proxy epona and hayden (and probably others i'm forgetting) rn:

1. your logic is that [x] is town because why would they do [thing that makes x look scummy]

this argument is seen in:

eponas defense of ness for his claim
haydens defense of ness for his claim
eponas defense of herself for unravels lynch
ness' defense of himself for his claim

et al.

like you're essentially saying that someone is just too obviously scummy to be mafia which i..... listen you could all literally spin yourselves in circles trying to peel back the layers of reverse psychology in the actions that mafia take.

i'm not going to bother or give weight to these arguments.

at the end of the day ness if you're lynched it's because i can't follow your train of thought (or even find it) and your actions don't align with your stated intentions.

you admit what you did wasn't a good idea, you then call me mafia for wanting to lynch you while we still have MLs. you call me for a lynch if i lynch you, as if even if you're town, you think me lynching you would suddenly make me mafia. instead of doing what town in your position SHOULD be doing, which is finding mafia, you want to paint yourself as a pseudo martyr, your posts filled with apathy instead of trying to... u know, lynch mafia.

 

[voltairenism]

sorry i was having a terrible day

@voltairenism explain.

ok this was mostly a reaction test but I think me and you were townread the whole game except some people here and there and well I know I am town so I wonder if you would be scum. But it's like "I wonder" because you brought up a lot of good stuff specially about the hero claiming that scum would just be shut about

 

[Sidney]

sorry about surgery heyden :c I recently had sinus surgery so I totally get that, I hope you have a quick and easy recovery

I overslept today so I’m just now waking up and reading this, im just going to go ahead and say I’m probably still not going to really comment on people’s speculation about my role until I’m directly asked and/or we get to the point i think it’d actually be prudent to claim (likely when everyone else is claiming and/or if someone claims my character I’m obv gonna counter it) and that is baby’s opinion because I haven’t actually seen anyone suspect me for anything other than “coasting” which is genuinely just because I am now confused and trying to wrap my head around most of the discussion that’s happened while also googling phrases every 5 mins LOL
I guess that’s technically responding to it?? Anyways yeah that’s. That’s about all I have to say about that for now

I honestly think I would be okay with ness or aerious just because if nothing else it would move the discussion past them
I forget if king said anyone is actually on the chopping block yet

sorry for messy post I’m too sleepy to proofread any further;

 

[Heyden]

Glow this game has 3 mafia with a singular KP, mafia have to push to N5 to win, or N7 with only 2 mafia, which is already out of bounds of typical TBT mafia which by min usually ends N3/N4 depending. Him as mafia getting shawo lynched, ok sure, then what? He dies next day anyway, that plan just doesn’t make ANY sense with how far the stretch is for maf win. Also literally everyone was up his ass yesterday besides Epona.

Ik what you mean about point 1 it does seem weak as reasoning, but mafia is also like 50% considering who the person is. I’ll pull out meta if you want me bc I was initially going to but idk if it’s applicable bc I can only really use meta for a few players. I think the general consensus at start of day was that he’s town but you and Aerious in pure tunnel vision have failed to consider other options which is why we’re here stuck in a loop. Who are your other lynch candidates.

In the scenario Ness flips town, who do you think is mafia.

 

[Aerious]

sorry about surgery heyden :c I recently had sinus surgery so I totally get that, I hope you have a quick and easy recovery

I overslept today so I’m just now waking up and reading this, im just going to go ahead and say I’m probably still not going to really comment on people’s speculation about my role until I’m directly asked and/or we get to the point i think it’d actually be prudent to claim (likely when everyone else is claiming and/or if someone claims my character I’m obv gonna counter it) and that is baby’s opinion because I haven’t actually seen anyone suspect me for anything other than “coasting” which is genuinely just because I am now confused and trying to wrap my head around most of the discussion that’s happened while also googling phrases every 5 mins LOL
I guess that’s technically responding to it?? Anyways yeah that’s. That’s about all I have to say about that for now

I honestly think I would be okay with ness or aerious just because if nothing else it would move the discussion past them
I forget if king said anyone is actually on the chopping block yet

sorry for messy post I’m too sleepy to proofread any further;

why would you admit to wanting to get the km eliminated? i’m a cleared town pr and you want me killed

also, all of us are confused and trying to deduce who maf is. you, ace, and volt have posted the least. that’s the qualm atm

king has openly admitted to wanting ness dead today, even within the last hour right above your post

if sidney winds up as mafia, i’d assume the posts are guided. just a possibility if we ever hit maf

Glow this game has 3 mafia with a singular KP, mafia have to push to N5 to win, or N7 with only 2 mafia, which is already out of bounds of typical TBT mafia which by min usually ends N3/N4 depending. Him as mafia getting shawo lynched, ok sure, then what? He dies next day anyway, that plan just doesn’t make ANY sense with how far the stretch is for maf win. Also literally everyone was up his ass yesterday besides Epona.

Ik what you mean about point 1 it does seem weak as reasoning, but mafia is also like 50% considering who the person is. I’ll pull out meta if you want me bc I was initially going to but idk if it’s applicable bc I can only really use meta for a few players. I think the general consensus at start of day was that he’s town but you and Aerious in pure tunnel vision have failed to consider other options which is why we’re here stuck in a loop. Who are your other lynch candidates.

In the scenario Ness flips town, who do you think is mafia.

this is on brand for ness scum per june maf — wanting shawo dead at any cost. i’ve said who i think scum team is multiple times. i don’t see anyone else who’s going to die besides ness. regardless, the info is worth it

ness/guava/bell account

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just based on the notion that no one cc’d me, i’d be surprised if hero winds up in a cc. maf more than likely going to hide in vt roles

heyden, you aren’t clear either in this scenario though. you’re null rn to me

 

[Heyden]

sorry i was having a terrible day


ok this was mostly a reaction test but I think me and you were townread the whole game except some people here and there and well I know I am town so I wonder if you would be scum. But it's like "I wonder" because you brought up a lot of good stuff specially about the hero claiming that scum would just be shut about

You know I had a shower thought last night I forgot to mention, I was thinking the opposite.

Ace -knew- the game was winnable by maf by D5 mislynch, but was still onboard with Aerious’ claim train trying to get Hero to out. Initially I’d assume mafia would prolong the claims so they can CC hero but the more I think of it I don’t think most people are bold enough to do that. Instead with hero outting, they would kill Hero tonight to avoid future clears. It was only when I ran the numbers did he retrace and write some 5 paragraph thinkpiece on why Hero shouldn’t out when I did it in 1, so I’m not sure why you’re TRing him for that lol.

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Sidney going after KM zzzz methinks lost town

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just based on the notion that no one cc’d me, i’d be surprised if hero winds up in a cc. maf more than likely going to hide in vt roles

heyden, you aren’t clear either in this scenario though. you’re null rn to me

Especially yes to first point

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I’ll read June mafia later on

 

[Sidney]

why would you admit to wanting to get the km eliminated? i’m a cleared town pr and you want me killed

forgive me but: I’m still a bit lost as to how exactly claiming kingmaker clears you
I also thought kingmaker was supposed to basically be a VT as well, not a PR (???)
Even if the kingmaker *does* get eliminated, a new one will just be chosen anyway
Also I didn’t even say I wanted you eliminated I just said it’d be okay with me?
I’m honestly not sure you’re not both town but I don’t have any good scumleans or anything anymore and who I thought to be susp in the past pretty much all turned out town so I’m just kind of trying to wrap my head around what’s happening rn

I need to eat something but I’ll probably still be here to respond to things

 

[Aerious]

forgive me but: I’m still a bit lost as to how exactly claiming kingmaker clears you
I also thought kingmaker was supposed to basically be a VT as well, not a PR (???)
Even if the kingmaker *does* get eliminated, a new one will just be chosen anyway
Also I didn’t even say I wanted you eliminated I just said it’d be okay with me?
I’m honestly not sure you’re not both town but I don’t have any good scumleans or anything anymore and who I thought to be susp in the past pretty much all turned out town so I’m just kind of trying to wrap my head around what’s happening rn

I need to eat something but I’ll probably still be here to respond to things

i’m literally cleared town. why would you be ok with a cleared town member dying ever? i don’t understand

unless you want to cc me km, i’m the km

 

[Heyden]

Sidney’s not KM lol

 

[Aerious]

Sidney’s not KM lol

i wanna see her answer first

 

[N e s s]

at the end of the day ness if you're lynched it's because i can't follow your train of thought (or even find it) and your actions don't align with your stated intentions.

you admit what you did wasn't a good idea, you then call me mafia for wanting to lynch you while we still have MLs. you call me for a lynch if i lynch you, as if even if you're town, you think me lynching you would suddenly make me mafia. instead of doing what town in your position SHOULD be doing, which is finding mafia, you want to paint yourself as a pseudo martyr, your posts filled with apathy instead of trying to... u know, lynch mafia.

Sure, here's my thoughts.

I honestly do think you are mafia with someone like Guava because of your sudden flipping from her to me. Could I be wrong? Maybe. But whatever happened to "~5 pages in and I'm ready to eliminate guava"? Guava has been doing nothing but coast by the entirety of the game, and yet suddenly the minute you gain power you decide to forget her and exclusively say you're going to eliminate me at 24 hours without even giving me a chance or discuss any other potential eliminations.

Everyone you have focused on so far has been town or likely are town, starting with cake, epona, volt, and geoni/heyden. Baseless accusations from you that led to absolutely nothing; the absolute worst one is planting the seeds of doubt against cake for her "the town" comment, when literally all she did was get defensive at the end. Oh, there's also the fact that you tried to make it out that I was "giving up" for just posting a picture of Jim Halpert so go off. You can't blame me for seeing myself as the easiest scapegoat in the thread and view what you're doing as a simple solution to getting a ml.

Sure, you can kill me for info at this point idc and I get the logic behind it. But I'm not just going to accept myself going down so easily when I think there is a chance of hitting scum today, and I ain't one of them. If you are town, then it is of no surprise to me that you're doing this because it's not like you're going to listen to me either way. You hyper focus your attention on 1 person and then you refuse to concede any shred of goodwill or doubt to said person. You've done it with Geoni pretty much every game you've been in with him and now you're going to do it to me.

These are objectively the worst things guava has said this entire game:

thx i rlly have nothing more to say than elim aerious. see u all d3

This was at a time when they thought they were going to be eliminated by epona, they were accepting their elimination and I think she purposefully said aerious out of everyone because they didn't want share their thoughts too much. Staying purposefully vague near your likely elimination is typical scummy behavior.

ugh the day just started and people already wanna kill me i’m town ty

If by your logic I am not helping town and I'm acting as a "martyr," why does guava get to be excluded from this line of logic but I don't? How come when I say I'm town, I'm the scummy one but not guava? How come I'm the "apathetic one" not doing anything, but guava isn't?

ness is scum for sure, i think they're coasting on the idea that we've accepted they ****ed up big time for town~

Ah yes, I ****ed up big time for town, as in I am one of the town members... who ****ed up for town. No comment's about anything/anyone else, just exclusively myself despite guava not pushing for anyone the previous phase.

It's a logical fallacy that I'm somehow the apathetic one when guava fits everything you've said I'm doing to a T. I agree with most of what epona has said pretty much so far that the scumpool should be within sidney/volt/ace/bell account but I might be wrong about that. Heyden could also be scum but his reads post is genuinely the best thing anyone has done this entire game. Point being is that I think guava should be the elimination over me; if you really want to kill me for info I would argue you get just as much from taking her out, not to mention that I think she would genuinely flip scum while, idk... wouldn't lol. But as I said, I'm not going to down without at least stating my piece. The only person I would have actually accepted being killed for information would have been Fleshy but Aerious is biased af.

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this is on brand for ness scum per june maf — wanting shawo dead at any cost. i’ve said who i think scum team is multiple times. i don’t see anyone else who’s going to die besides ness. regardless, the info is worth it

Of everything you've said to make me grit my teeth this one absolutely takes the cake. It is honestly incredibly frustrating that you think that I would go for someone who I told you in the last game thought would be an easy elimination, and then he turned out to be the most vocal person against me and nearly got me eliminated.

In what world is it better for me to voice any ounce of dissent against him as scum in this game when I could have easily just taken him out lol? You really think I'm petty enough to go for him over a grudge huh

Absolute silliness.

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Speaking of which it's surprising to me that shawo died out of everyone because he was going to lead an auto elim on me this phase, didn't expect him to be the kill and was prepared to just... stop caring about debating him lol. Another +1 for why I'm suspicious of glow because I 100% thought he was either lying as VT or he was doing it to soak up the watcher/doctor, I'd think she of all people would be most interested in sniping him.

Maybe that's an unfair characterization but I don't see otherwise why he was the kill last night lol.

 

[Aerious]

also, was to prove a point. i’m kingmaker and no one has cc’d me.

why would you be ok with eliminating a cleared town role just because someone else would replace me? @Sidney

i would never want to elim uncc’d watcher for info. ness, for the reasons you’re shifting onto guava, i’m surprised you haven’t scumleaned her. BOTH of you are being scumleaned atm

 

[Sidney]

i’m literally cleared town. why would you be ok with a cleared town member dying ever? i don’t understand

unless you want to cc me km, i’m the km

unfortunately I’m not km so I can’t

I would obviously rather we didn’t lose any town and got part of the mafia instead but I don’t have much right now and don’t see the point in not completely voicing my thoughts for reactions/more discussion?
tbh your posts have confused me the post this game but I think you may just being playing some galaxy brain level game
If everyone else town thinks you’re cleared then you wouldn’t be up for elim anyways so idrk why it’s a big deal
I know my own innocence so I’m just trying to work things out & I already said earlier in the game I do not have a coach or anything so I’m fueled purely by newbie ignorance

in essence: sometimes I say things

 

[N e s s]

Regardless when glow inevitably decides to kill me because I made her angry in the next 3 hours please keep these players in mind for the scumpool day 4:

glow/sidney/volt/ace/bell and maybe heyden (?), heyden is only in there because of PoE but his reads post is still the best thing anyone has made this entire game.

 

[Ace Marvel]

you, ace, and volt have posted the least.

wow this just proves that I'm being ignored wow, I only have 27 less posts than you, what a weak argument. I guess my 173 post vs Guav@s 70 are the least wow.

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Just ignore me trying to post more so I have more that 3 posts in this game...

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Ohhhh the posts merge! I might have even less...

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What else KM? give us something we can actually use and not these now sense.

 

[Aerious]

unfortunately I’m not km so I can’t

I would obviously rather we didn’t lose any town and got part of the mafia instead but I don’t have much right now and don’t see the point in not completely voicing my thoughts for reactions/more discussion?
tbh your posts have confused me the post this game but I think you may just being playing some galaxy brain level game
If everyone else town thinks you’re cleared then you wouldn’t be up for elim anyways so idrk why it’s a big deal
I know my own innocence so I’m just trying to work things out & I already said earlier in the game I do not have a coach or anything so I’m fueled purely by newbie ignorance

in essence: sometimes I say things

i’m just trying to figure out why you’re ok w me dying when i’m confirmed town, but ty for the answer it makes sense

 

[Ace Marvel]

Regardless when glow inevitably decides to kill me because I made her angry in the next 3 hours please keep these players in mind for the scumpool day 4:

glow/sidney/volt/ace/bell and maybe heyden (?), heyden is only in there because of PoE but his reads post is still the best thing anyone has made this entire game.

This is townie AF or the worst spew in mafia history.