Mafia Into the MarioVerse Kingmaker- Mafia Win!

You know I had a shower thought last night I forgot to mention, I was thinking the opposite.

Ace -knew- the game was winnable by maf by D5 mislynch, but was still onboard with Aerious’ claim train trying to get Hero to out. Initially I’d assume mafia would prolong the claims so they can CC hero but the more I think of it I don’t think most people are bold enough to do that. Instead with hero outting, they would kill Hero tonight to avoid future clears. It was only when I ran the numbers did he retrace and write some 5 paragraph thinkpiece on why Hero shouldn’t out when I did it in 1, so I’m not sure why you’re TRing him for that lol.
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Sidney going after KM zzzz methinks lost town
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Especially yes to first point
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I’ll read June mafia later on
ngl idk what you mean
 
wow this just proves that I'm being ignored wow, I only have 27 less posts than you, what a weak argument. I guess my 173 post vs Guav@s 70 are the least wow.
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Just ignore me trying to post more so I have more that 3 posts in this game...
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Ohhhh the posts merge! I might have even less...
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What else KM? give us something we can actually use and not these now sense.
i mentioned a point and i’m not scumleaning based on it. it’s not a moot point, i built a case against others

Regardless when glow inevitably decides to kill me because I made her angry in the next 3 hours please keep these players in mind for the scumpool day 4:

glow/sidney/volt/ace/bell and maybe heyden (?), heyden is only in there because of PoE but his reads post is still the best thing anyone has made this entire game.
glow isn’t killing you because you made her angry. she’s explained why multiple times
 
glow isn’t killing you because you made her angry. she’s explained why multiple times
Buddy I've been here for a long time. I just addressed what she wanted from me, but because I'm scumleaning her she's going to ignore anything I say and just take me out. She does this every single time, no matter what.

Anyway I'm not going to censor myself just because she's going to ignore me, if anything you'll see her refuse to take any ounce of credibility for my death for the rest of the game because you gave her out via the "info." You better not king her again or I'll haunt you.

Or she could kill guava who I'm near certain would flip scum, otherwise glow is townlocked.
 
ce -knew- the game was winnable by maf by D5 mislynch, but was still onboard with Aerious’ claim train trying to get Hero to out. Initially I’d assume mafia would prolong the claims so they can CC hero but the more I think of it I don’t think most people are bold enough to do that. Instead with hero outting, they would kill Hero tonight to avoid future clears. It was only when I ran the numbers did he retrace and write some 5 paragraph thinkpiece on why Hero shouldn’t out when I did it in 1, so I’m not sure why you’re TRing him for that lol.
I always said since Epona asked a while ago D5 was MYLO
 
Buddy I've been here for a long time. I just addressed what she wanted from me, but because I'm scumleaning her she's going to ignore anything I say and just take me out. She does this every single time, no matter what.

Anyway I'm not going to censor myself just because she's going to ignore me, if anything you'll see her refuse to take any ounce of credibility for my death for the rest of the game because you gave her out via the "info." You better not king her again or I'll haunt you.

Or she could kill guava who I'm near certain would flip scum, otherwise glow is townlocked.
but you just said guava isn’t in your scum leanings

i also don’t know why people wouldn’t take responsibility for their eliminations. epona’s been under fire today for the killing of unravel
 
but you just said guava isn’t in your scum leanings

i also don’t know why people wouldn’t take responsibility for their eliminations. epona’s been under fire today for the killing of unravel
Several things.

1. I did.
2. lol.

Anyway I addressed your points. My word of advice to you is to think about who you king the coming days before being biased against players because I'm going to flip townie. Hopefully you enjoy your iNfOrMaTiOn xDDDDD (not like you're going to kill scum from it anyway.)
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I have an eye doctor appointment in an hour I need to get ready for, if glow decides to take me out in the next 2 and a half hours without discussion from myself or others pls assume they're scum for the remainder of the game ty <3
 
Several things.

1. I did.
2. lol.

Anyway I addressed your points. My word of advice to you is to think about who you king the coming days before being biased against players because I'm going to flip townie. Hopefully you enjoy your iNfOrMaTiOn xDDDDD (not like you're going to kill scum from it anyway.)
after rereading, your rqs makes me believe you actually are town. you were one of the few willing to admit that you’re not voting majority. feel like mafia would lie low in that instance. i do think you took an unbelievably risky play that came at the detriment of town

so then guava/bell rn are up for me
epona/ace are potentials
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but your reactions this round and last have thrown me for a loop. you’ve swapped from scumleaning guava to not wanting her dead yesterday
 
but your reactions this round and last have thrown me for a loop. you’ve swapped from scumleaning guava to not wanting her dead yesterday
Yeah I can understand why you'd think that.

My line of logic was that I just didn't think guava was going to flip scum at the time? I was more focused on the things unravel had done so far and was kind of just ignoring guava. I honestly would still be saying guava isn't that big of a deal this phase if she didn't decide to start saying I should be eliminated; that's what made made me decide to reevaluate her, given that it is now me and guava vs. the world. Obviously one of us is going down; I think she were town I would have thought she'd put work into discussing other reads or at the very least given me the slightest benefit of the doubt. She hasn't done either of these things the entire game.

Reading that out loud it seems like we're in the same situation lol, but the difference being is that I genuinely wasn't thinking she was scum until recently. Take that with a grain of salt I guess.
 
either way, you're going to be killing someone you're not 100% sure is town today. why are you so adamant about not wanting to be judged for killing town? volt made a mistake and no one is sussing them today

i also don’t know why people wouldn’t take responsibility for their eliminations. epona’s been under fire today for the killing of unravel

lalala
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i guess here's my problem with ness and also by proxy epona and hayden (and probably others i'm forgetting) rn:

1. your logic is that [x] is town because why would they do [thing that makes x look scummy]

this argument is seen in:

eponas defense of ness for his claim
haydens defense of ness for his claim
eponas defense of herself for unravels lynch
ness' defense of himself for his claim

et al.

like you're essentially saying that someone is just too obviously scummy to be mafia which i..... listen you could all literally spin yourselves in circles trying to peel back the layers of reverse psychology in the actions that mafia take.

i'm not going to bother or give weight to these arguments.

i can understand this but at the end of the day unless someone blatantly scumslips there are always going to be holes to poke in ANYONE's reasoning for scumreading or townreading somebody. literally everything is drowned in layers of reverse psychology. that argument is applicable to every single read ever

i've mindmelded with ness on a few things too and i just think he's town. aerious is now conceding that he's probably town too. these arguments have to be given weight to if multiple people are making the same points
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and heyden has already covered this but it's not necessarily 'why would ness fakeclaim if he's scum bc it makes him look scummy', i'm looking at it from a purely mechanical point of view and why pretty much guarantee the loss of one of your scumteam that far away from lylo

it just doesn't make any sense at all
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sorry about surgery heyden :c I recently had sinus surgery so I totally get that, I hope you have a quick and easy recovery

I overslept today so I’m just now waking up and reading this, im just going to go ahead and say I’m probably still not going to really comment on people’s speculation about my role until I’m directly asked and/or we get to the point i think it’d actually be prudent to claim (likely when everyone else is claiming and/or if someone claims my character I’m obv gonna counter it) and that is baby’s opinion because I haven’t actually seen anyone suspect me for anything other than “coasting” which is genuinely just because I am now confused and trying to wrap my head around most of the discussion that’s happened while also googling phrases every 5 mins LOL
I guess that’s technically responding to it?? Anyways yeah that’s. That’s about all I have to say about that for now

I honestly think I would be okay with ness or aerious just because if nothing else it would move the discussion past them
I forget if king said anyone is actually on the chopping block yet

sorry for messy post I’m too sleepy to proofread any further;
forgive me but: I’m still a bit lost as to how exactly claiming kingmaker clears you
I also thought kingmaker was supposed to basically be a VT as well, not a PR (???)
Even if the kingmaker *does* get eliminated, a new one will just be chosen anyway
Also I didn’t even say I wanted you eliminated I just said it’d be okay with me?
I’m honestly not sure you’re not both town but I don’t have any good scumleans or anything anymore and who I thought to be susp in the past pretty much all turned out town so I’m just kind of trying to wrap my head around what’s happening rn

I need to eat something but I’ll probably still be here to respond to things

i can't tell if sidney doesn't realise that the KM can ONLY be town, or if she does realise this and is saying that even though aerious is town her death would be better for the gamestate lmfao

either way it does look confused town but that's also kind of my whole angle for scumleaning sidney bc i think the confused town act is being coached/relied upon by scummates

so this doesn't really tell me anything lol
 
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no one is sussing you for the ml. people are sussing you for reactions prior to the ml and after the ml
idk why you’re trying to make me seem contradictory bc i cba to clarify. there’s scum in you or ace

Yeah I can understand why you'd think that.

My line of logic was that I just didn't think guava was going to flip scum at the time? I was more focused on the things unravel had done so far and was kind of just ignoring guava. I honestly would still be saying guava isn't that big of a deal this phase if she didn't decide to start saying I should be eliminated; that's what made made me decide to reevaluate her, given that it is now me and guava vs. the world. Obviously one of us is going down; I think she were town I would have thought she'd put work into discussing other reads or at the very least given me the slightest benefit of the doubt. She hasn't done either of these things the entire game.

Reading that out loud it seems like we're in the same situation lol, but the difference being is that I genuinely wasn't thinking she was scum until recently. Take that with a grain of salt I guess.
i’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, and i truly think you are town. rn i can understand why you’re going to be infoelim’d though. guava is more than likely up next. regardless, this is going to be wifom misery and i hope you do everything you can to scumhunt prior to your elim
 
bc imo she’s swapped ness from cleared town to maf with not the best reasoning. potential tell

you’re for ness here?
 
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