Is TT considered cheating ?

[Aquadirt]

And that's the only way you'll admit that developers allow cheating, is if they literally slap the word "cheating" on it?

A game with no point has no way of cheating. Nothing that naturally and intentionally occurs withing the games programming is cheating. It's simple.
Duping, is cheating. That's not natural, it's not an option, its cheating.

No, I care that people are trying to say that it's not cheating. I don't care if anybody knows that I'm cheating, because-- again-- it's cheating in a non-competitive game. People who TT should just admit that it's cheating and own up to it, instead of trying to call it something else entirely. And also, this is a forum, it's for discussing things. You don't have to care about something to be able to talk about it. Come on.

You call a spade a spade, not a hammer. You're improperly labeling something because you can't accept that its perfectly acceptable and normal. And not cheating.
You do have to care about something to argue about it, regardless of conversational medium. This isn't a discussion, this is an ongoing (far before the two of us) argument.

 

[Gizmodo]

But i do get sick of TT's acting like every non TT gangs up on them and treats them differently, from what i've seen theres literally been more cases of TT's attacking Non TT's than the opposite, ive only seen a few cases of Non TT'S actively calling TT's cheaters etc

Everyones allowed their own views and it just seems the TT's get so easily offended lol. If its not cheating in your view then dont get offended?

 

[Superpenguin]

It is cheating. Do I care if you cheat? No.

 

[Aquadirt]

It is cheating. Do I care if you cheat? No.

....No. It's not.

 

[Superpenguin]

....No. It's not.

I've read your past posts. I am aware of where you stand on this topic.

 

[Aquadirt]

I've read your past posts. I am aware of where you stand on this topic.

That doesn't change the facts. If there was nothing but good that came from it, call it cheating. But you can lose villagers and flowers. Your town can become riddled with weeds and give you a negative town rating. Its a risk, negativity can arise. A cheat is there to go around that kind of thing.

 

[TheResult]

Nothing that naturally and intentionally occurs withing the games programming is cheating. It's simple.

It's simple if that's how you define it. That's not how a lot of people define it, though.

Like I already pointed out, cheatcodes naturally and intentionally happen within the game's programming. Those are cheating. You admitted they are cheating, too. Time Travel is also cheating, it's just that they didn't have to slap the word "CHEAT" on it in big bold letters.

Duping, is cheating. That's not natural, it's not an option, its cheating.

You jokingly referred to Resetting as cheating earlier, but then said it wasn't. However, isn't the Reset exploit just that-- an exploit that isn't a natural part of the game? So are you going to admit it's cheating, too?

You call a spade a spade, not a hammer. You're improperly labeling something because you can't accept that its perfectly acceptable and normal. And not cheating.

It is acceptable. It is normal.
But it's also cheating.

You do have to care about something to argue about it, regardless of conversational medium. This isn't a discussion, this is an ongoing (far before the two of us) argument.

Since I already admitted that I do care that people are saying that it isn't cheating, this isn't even an issue.

 

[Mr. L]

It is cheating. You are doing something that isn't intended in the game to obtain items, bells, and other benefits unfairly. I frown upon TTers and hardly ever Wi-fi with them.

 

[Neu]

What's the point of an option to change time then? The developers had even made countermeasures for TT. Have you ever tried changing the time by just 5~10 minutes? Going back to 5 minutes earlier doesn't reset your shops, fossil grounds, or give you negative effects except that all your turnips will die.

That's why i said that most people who use tt are the ones who abuse it extremely. They are the ones that makes most people think that tt is cheating, while it's actually part of the game. I don't use tt, but i'm not that opposed to those who use it. They can do what they want with their own game. Who am i to complain to those who want to use tt anyway?

Here's a good example of using tt without abusing it:
You just got back from island full of critters to sell, but the time says it's already 10.59 PM!?
Oh, no! You could never make it to sell all these critters! Well, you'll just need go back to 5 minutes earlier so you could sell them all. ^^

 

[TheResult]

Yes, it's a cheat IF there's no negative effect at all when you use it.

That has never, in the history of ever, been a defining factor in what is- or isn't- cheating. Why are we suddenly sticking new, unrelated addendums onto the definition of cheating?

They can do what they want with their own game. Who am i to complaint to those who want to use tt anyway?

You're right, they can do what they want with their own game. You're right, nobody should complain. But nobody is complaining about people Time Traveling, so I'm not sure why you used the word "complain".

 

[Neu]

That has never, in the history of ever, been a defining factor in what is- or isn't- cheating. Why are we suddenly sticking new, unrelated addendums onto the definition of cheating?

It's just my opinion. I'll just delete it to avoid unnecessary conflict. C:

You're right, they can do what they want with their own game. You're right, nobody should complain. But nobody is complaining about people Time Traveling, so I'm not sure why you used the word "complain".

Because, English is not my native so my choices of words are limited. But i think some people do complain though.

 

[TheResult]

Because, English is not my native so my choices of words are limited. What's the right word then?

I don't think there's a single word for it-- it's not complaining, because I haven't seen anybody here saying something like "ugh why do Time Travelers have nice things and I don't that's not fair". That would be complaining. What's happening here is just people saying whether or not TT is cheating, which it is.

Which isn't really a case of whether somebody has the "right" to say so, it's just a case of is or isn't.

 

[CharmingBerry]

I think a mod should make this a sticky because people seem to love arguing over it so much...ridiculous.

 

[Suave_Spencer]

I think it depends on what you're using it for. If you do it because you can't play at a certain time (for example, I bet there are a few people who are never on after 11pm so cannot get certain bugs otherwise) then fair enough. I have a problem with people using it just to get event items to then go sell them for ridiculous amounts of bells, although it isn't technically cheating.

 

[Ryuuko Matoi]

First, let's look at the definition of "cheating" in a game:



Changing the dates of the game is something that anybody can do. It's not "unfair" because it's not limited to certain people only. If you choose not to TT? Good for you. But you're not good or superior or even a special little snowflake for doing so.

Using TTing is no different from using the 3D feature of the game; some people like it because it enhances their gameplay, while others don't, because it negatively affects their gameplay.

Some people get bored playing just one in-game day, because eventually, there's little to nothing new to do. So they're like me, and play multiple in-game days within one real life day, or they just skip ahead a bit.

tl;dr; Animal Crossing is a game that is enjoyed in a variety of ways. It's a game that's meant to be different for everyone who plays it, and if the devs didn't want you TTing.. then they would have removed it long ago. You can whine all you want because you're jealous that other people are able to enjoy things faster than you can, but that doesn't change the fact that using a built-in feature of the game is not, nor will it ever be, cheating.

Certain people on both sides need to stop acting like they're special for doing it or not doing it. Just enjoy the damn game, you overgrown children.

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Also i belive that as long as were human were going to have some sort of "elitists" for anything someone likes doing. so i dont believe this debate will ever stop unless the developers actually stated something on this (even though cheating itself is not an opinion but a fact, and if you consider it a fact and review how time traveling affects the game you would see that there is a right and a wrong answer but people just cant seem to agree on it due to elitism)

 

[Neu]

Lol, that's why i said that nobody has the right to tell other people what to do in their own game. C:
Finally the end of discussion (or debate) for now, i guess?

 

[Byngo]

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Also i belive that as long as were human were going to have some sort of "elitists" for anything someone likes doing. so i dont believe this debate will ever stop unless the developers actually stated something on this (even though cheating itself is not an opinion but a fact, and if you consider it a fact and review how time traveling affects the game you would see that there is a right and a wrong answer but people just cant seem to agree on it due to elitism)

Exactly what my thoughts are.

1 great example:

It is cheating. You are doing something that isn't intended in the game to obtain items, bells, and other benefits unfairly. I frown upon TTers and hardly ever Wi-fi with them.

 

[MajesticMayor]

TT is NOT cheating. I used too do day by day... but sorry thats just crazy boring too me. If its an option too set your clock its a GAME OPTION

 

[TeddysMama711]

Why do so many care how others play their game though? Is it affecting you personally? No? Than why don't you just gtfo because we don't sit here and talk **** about the way you like to play YOUR game, we shouldn't be called losers etc because of the way we play OURS.

 

[oath2order]

Can we please stop debating whether it's cheating or not? I feel like everybody's made their point and this always ends up the same way.