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i don’t think wolves have to necessarily always be controlling the game state here. all you really need is one wolf to come in before town gets too comfortable with each other to stir things up and makes things a mess again
yeah just entertaining the thought. I have the weakest townlean on epona between you, geoni and her though, but I mean, I would really oppose to chop her
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I think the only way to improve this game is wait for inactives to voice their opinion. gn peace
Just leaving a log here that I'm going to have to vote before I go to sleep, so I'm interested in discussing what people are thinking for votes. Right now I think it'll go in guava/ace (or dino/dedenne) and in that case I'm much more interested in voting guava.
My #1 maf is easily Geoni, Epona much less so, and I gave my poe mostly. Maybe I'll read back if nothing in a few hours.
Okay I haven't read anything since I went to bed so idk why I have like 9 alerts and most of them are quoting my sign-up thread where it specifically says that one potential Mafia role is a rolecop. So yes.
Honestly just skimming over posts and being around for them I felt like if I were to re-eval anyone out of my PoE for today it is Volt. The handling of the Dan vs Shawo situation + her reacting and thinking into the reasons for which Shawo is claiming doc the way he is felt like someone genuinely trying to understand another player's motives.
Dino hasn't done a ton for me to improve but I'm not chopping there today.
Hikari sub will make or break their slot cause it was sliding back into null territory for me. Not saying I won't chop if they come in looking really sus and there's no decent compromise elsewhere but they were in the upper tier of my PoE based on Hikari stuff.
Epona and Arcadia remain firm townreads. I feel safe in airing on the side of Dan being the real doc.
Alek was just towny af throughout their time in the game and quit out of straight up frustration that I share. Hopefully if they don't rejoin they can be replaced too?
Chopping between Shawo/Ace/Guava/Dedenne as it currently stands.
personally i’m most confident shawo will flip maf. he small window he’s town just shrinks everytime he thinks of it imo. no matter, he def should be considered D3 if people aren’t doing it today
my trust of geoni really depends on the outcome of shawo’s flip tbh. i don’t think ace will flip maf. guava or dedenne can flip mafia but i frankly wouldn’t be too surprised if either don’t. for how much pressure guava’s been this whole game, her attitude has barely changed. dedenne i think would have more equity here
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i’ll put my trust into epona and geo today and see where that goes
may as well just say it at this point but I'm not doc.
tl;dr at bottom
I'm just gonna vote Geoni. The whole point of all this was that I wasn't sposed to be in the pool for today regardless of whether or not you mafread me, but it just got more and more derailed by (mafia) who was scared of two doc claims. I believe daniel's claim in full fwiw. Game doesn't make any sense with Daniel as mafia, and others as mafia forcing a kill on me/dan (when daniel was majority sr).
I just really think that the entire dockill thing has been super mafia motivated by everyone except volt, who rightfully got the rolecop thing. I was gonna retract once I realized there was a chance for rolecop to be in the game but at that point I would've been scumread no matter what happened unless I died 2night. Either way, I think I got some reads out of people's reactions to it, so I'm not unhappy with the circumstance.
And I guess while I'm at it I might as well say that I'm not lucky.
Here's where my reads currently stand.
Ace: town.
Volt: town.
Daniel: town.
Alek: modkill.
Which poe's the others in
Epona, Guava, Dedenne, Dino, and Geoni.
Hikari is there too I guess.
Geoni already hard sr, and I believe it's a 4p mafia team, and honestly if I had to pick town out of all of those, it'd probably be dedenne, and then maybe epona.
It's impossible to read Hikari, and I think Guava would be trying harder given the circumstance + they said they would. So that's second mafia. And I guess the only reason I sr dino is because of their reaction to the dockill and the game. They just feel really floaty. Dedenne also feels floaty but in a ~town~ way... so...
Epona is a weird case because I genuinely feel like they were trying to push me - but I also think Epona has been trying to play optimally. And I don't think that's a sentiment I'd get from mafia.
Given the fact that mafia would believe a 2 doc game is unwinnable, I don't think there's any reason Epona!mafia would say "oh I SR shawo but I don't wanna kill them."
But this is entirely dependant on how the hikari sub plays. I said that I thought hikari was town d1, and while I can't... even really remember what line it was specifically, I'm going to stand by early me's reads.
So here are my reads listed out. I was super pushy about going on Guava because I really didn't want to deal with it not being in docs, but I'm going to sleep and this is probably the last post I'll get before night, so I thought I'd put out all the information.
Oh, and lastly, I was planning to retract the entire time, I'm sure you can read that from my lines. I didn't even know doc couldn't go on alternate targets and Epona called me out on it.
Now whether or not that affects how you read me or not? That's up to you. But there's been a lot of really terrible rhetoric about why I'm maf and all of it revolves around the doc claim, I'm interested in seeing how people will spin their read on me after this. I'd probably go ahead and townread anyone who's sentiment isn't. "Shawo's docclaim was something only maf would do" but still manages to scumread me.
But yeah. Please kill Geoni.
I'm very sure that mafia has to force in doc/doc. If not Geoni than Guava. Ace has no reason to play the way they're playing, not to mention, killing Geoni sorts ace as town basically everytime. I'm THAT sure Geoni is maf.
I'm not doc. Me not being doc means that 90% of the reason why people would want to kill me is gone. Kill Geoni or Guava. Mafia being forced to try and go in the docs is a super hard tell. Geoni flipping maf basically instantly sorts Ace as town, so don't kill ace.
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oh and I'm still here for like 20 minutes before I go to bed. if you wanna ask me stuff since you're on dan
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