Mafia Island Madness - Town Wins

[Dinosaurz]

Calling someone a member of the mafia on the forums may get a warning XDDD

Post automatically merged: Sep 22, 2020

Also I just woke up n I’m still half asleep whoops

 

[epona]

Not getting WEP (wolf energy player) from glow this game.

still catching up but this is so funny im screaming

 

[Geoni]

The Results
Please READ EVERYTHING

The reason behind me asking you such a question is because I wanted to see your perception on the matter due to one statement sticking out to me from individual #1. I also was willing to see how willing you guys were to answer it and how you answered it for reactions purposes, so I’m give you guys my reactions first before elaborating on individual #1.

What I was looking for in my reactions: If people were willing to answer a simple question regarding a mafia perspective on how to be incognito. I assume mafia would be less willing to share their perspective on the matter or downplay me like I don’t have a clue what I’m doing.

The Question: Would mafia have to consider a town perspective or how a townie would need to play in order to hide within the game?

The answers/reactions:

Spoiler: Reactions

Epona is the first one to answer, which I liked.


However, the answer stood out to me. Why mention Glow? You also mentioned that you being Analytical is not AI but people consider it a towntell, got any examples?

Overall, I liked your answer. You also said it depends on the player, I want to make sure that is remembered.

Second was Volt:


You basically lack an experience to understand the question which is fine. I like how you considered your previous games and determined an answer, similiar to Epona.

I would mark your answer down as a “I’m not sure”.

Next is Ace Marvel:


Same with volt regarding considering your own meta previous meta, however your answer is an “I guess” so you think one’s mafia would most likely consider a townie perspective regarding how the play, correct?

Next is Dinosaur:


An uncertainty at the beginning.











I like Dinosaurz answers and they feel very townie from my perspective. He was willing to answer the question and the follow ups aswell.

His answer was an “i guess” aswell so let’s not that.

Next up is Hikari:


Again, I like how everyone is considering their own meta. This feels soooo townie to me compared to everyone else that if she is mafia, she is a very good mafia.

I’ll mark you down as IDK.

Next up is Dedenne:


At the beginning, she was hesitant to answer the question, stating:



Of course, this could be considered a misinterpretation regarding my question. However, I do like her answer:



She’s uncertain so I’ll mark this as a I don’t know.

Next, I have an answer from Final Arcadia:



She seems confused about the question but her answer is a Yes for most people, because she explains that they need to pretend like they don’t know in order to hide within. Regarding that statement, you have to be sort aware of how to play as a town in order to pull that off.

I’ll mark you as a Yes unless specified otherwise.

Finally, we have Daniels answer:

I will be marking this answer down as "Yes" and "Depends on player" due to you agreeing. I like your post as well but for like, what was the delay.

To summarize the answers:
Yes/ I guess - Daniel, Final Arcadia, Ace, Dinosaurz, Glow
It depends - Glow (You came in a little late but I like your response), Daniel. Epona
I don't know - Dedenne, Hikari, Volt
If this is wrong, let me know.

Overall, a majority of y'all agree that Mafia would have to consider a townie perspective when playing a game. This is important!!!

Because there was one statement that stuck out to me from Individual #1 and that individual is…IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND, I SWEAR TO GOD I HAD THE POST BUT CAN’T FIND IT.

If anyone can find it, ill give 300TBT.

UPDATE: Due to not finding the post, I will instead give my reads based on the responses. Maybe it's out there, maybe it isn't. I swear I saw it though. It was something like "Someone who is townie would ask questions" or something of the sort. 300TBT offer still stands.

Out of all the response, I'm more inclined to believe Hikari, Glow, Dinosaurz, and Final Arcadia.
Volt is more of a Null. I can't explain why but just is.
I'm curious on why Daniel didn't want to answer the question. His hesitant lacks a motive, especially since he told that I should've stuck with my original plan. I thought he would be more supportive.
Dedenne and Epona response to me pressuring a response also is suspicious. Like, if we are all Town then why would you be against somebody asking a question? Wouldn't you be more against someone not answering such a simple question?

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Glow orignally wasn't in the post, BTW.

Okay so apparently the cat has got your tongue on the very thing you're basing all of this on? If I had more time on my hands I could go and hunt it down for you but okay, this is you processing the game for yourself, more or less. At least that's what I can tell about it. While I think you can find it helpful in gauging how willing people are to discuss their mafia theory with you I'm not sure how it's going to result in a 'gotcha' moment, just...how well someone wants to work together with you when you're being mostly townread from what I can tell. Daniel's treatment of the question seemed the most stubborn for no reason but I'm not going to +1 it being outright wolfy, weird as it was. I don't see what's funky about Epona using glow as an example. Speaking of which I do think glow actually has meta and I'm not seeing it here yet but it's probably because she hasn't seen my posts yet for her obligatory case/tunnel of me. Dedenne's response is kinda funky tbh, feels like a very roundabout way to say she was uncertain about it.

:/

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cake guava dedenne and shawo are my hardest nulls rn (besides geo) i dont have much to say on them and would like more concrete thoughts from them. guava seems to be waiting for D2 though so

And why give guava the pass to D2? Same goes for Cake and Shawo who said they want to reach the night before they have anything to go off, although from what I can tell Shawo has had a few thoughts more than the rest in the grouping.

well I said before how iffy i found that hikari said they had sus on dino bc their commented "i like poncho and dobie so wont vote them". it was right after dan said they had sus bc of dino's behaviour too. felt oportunistic
still not sure about voting hikari off though

Didn't like the timing of this after Dan said he was still willing to vote for him (sorry for an earlier misgender btw!) and I think someone else was casting some doubt on Hikari as well. Keeping my eye on that wagon because as much as I want more from Hikari than response, he could be needing that extra nudge as someone who hasn't played in a while and that's why we don't see more wide-view solving.

sorry i was going off by memory lmao

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yeah this comment was so obviously joking that feels even more weird from hikari

Same applies to the above. Potentially opportunistic in calling someone an opportunist.

Volt makes a good point but I feel like the dino read can be canceled from the last statement. However, I don't know how geoni can be having alittle fun when he wasn't even here.

Okay it was Alek that also said it. I don't think he was referring to me in saying 'they're' because that would make no sense even for mafia to throw out there.

ok actually I can't finish this thread till after I eat.

Anyways, if I had some thoughts it would probably be...

I still think a lot of people are quick to out townreads, regardless of "why." Not because I think outting a fast townread is bad, but because I genuinely just do not see it.

Someone saying "daniel and antonio is town" is only towny if it's something I can see and understand - even if they can justify it with a post that seems logical. In fact, I'm actually more inclined towards the few reads that were the equivalent of "x was towny because they seemed town." because anything more than that seems a bit protective.

However, on that note, Epona actually explained their own reads like, 2 pages after I left off. So I'm gonna come back after I eat/have a clear head so I can give some better reads.

You have to find townies to solve the game via PoE though, it's the best way to get a successful elim on day 1. What don't you understand about the exchanges between Dan and Alek being towny? Is there something about that you disagree with specifically? I mean my read on Dan in particular more or less does equate to him amounting to seeming towny enough through the nuances.

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here's the results. the participants on the left and all the players on the right. volt wolf reads the most people at 5, and ace wolf reads the least at 2

GTH was a fun exercise done in my MU semis, and I found it difficult to answer when I was a wolf that game, so i was curious to see how it would go here

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also if i got something wrong please tell me ill fix it

Conesnsus town from these seven people (half the game): Arcadia, Dino, and shawo, and volt is almost there. I'm not sure I agree with shawo being consensus town because he hadn't done enough up to the point of the game to merit it at for me and it feels like an easy pass is being given by some of these folks. Ace needs more than two townreads, that feels pretty narrow, and he's been having some sort of world view that I haven't seen him give a good convincing explanation for in regards to Dan x Alek.

Dan I'd like to see you explain why your folks work well together as a team if you can.

Hikari's Alek read is ??? I find epona and Alek to be very towny so far.

I feel like I'm pretty in line with a lot of Arcadia's choices.

I'm curious as to why so many people had glow as town with a gun to their head, haven't found much memorable from her yet and will probably need to ISO when all is said and done.

fwiw i think the only way daniel is mafia here (which i'm not ruling out) is if he's the godfather bc i don't see him sticking his neck out like he has otherwise

This is kinda silly, he has to stick his neck out regardless as mafia because it's more or less expected of him among this playerlist.

tbh, I was so close to outting a snap townread on daniel, for the game, but while I was eating I made the conclusion that.

1. it was a game he took off of MU.
2. he doesn't really understand what the game was for.

Maybe this is me misunderstanding it, but the first reaction to getting like 2 pages full of content shouldn't be "I'm going to go tally up the results." But rather.

How do these peoples reads matter in the scope of their game vs how they reacted to it.

For example - hikari claimed to force themselves to out mafia reads, because they felt that they couldn't out multiple people as town.

How many people here felt obligated to out town/mafia reads due to how few/many they had before? And how many of the reads people outted contest their own.

For example: something that's interesting about the specific statistics is that volt outted 6! seperate scumreads. THIS is more meaningful than how many people didn't scumread me for example.

Also I don't think that outting 6 scumreads probably means they were genuinely outting their first impression of said player (which can happen as town or mafia!)

If anything it's good for pushing people to take a stance when there is so little of that going on and driving further discussion to figure out who is willing to work together and who some elimination candidates are. I do expect Dan to dig into it more later because it's one of those things that you refer back to as the game goes on for the sake of tracking progress. I would hope he understands that's what's useful about it.

What do you make of that from Volt?

 

[shawo]

@Geoni

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Oops. Talk to me now since I won't be on EoD.

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So first things first - I have nothing wrong with your info dump, I specifically mentioned that you did it in a previous game, and tried to draw parallels between the two games.

I do find the way you're doing it... odd. Like you have to know first and foremost that dumping info means that no one is going to respond to any direct message. Is there a specific response you want?

Second: reading the game in chunks like this also means you're probably not going to see any particular gameplan or gameplay from anyone. Are you looking for content or gameplay? This is especially since I know you DO iso everyone when you read the game, that I'm not sure why you're opting to read through the game chronologically versus ISO, is there a specific reason?

 

[epona]

this is the first time i've seen shawo play like this i think? like not throwing out claims and actually coherently solving
but i've only ever played with him when he's been town

 

[shawo]

....??????

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That might've been the single worst line I've ever seen but I'm going to ignore it.

 

[epona]

....??????

i usually find your playstyle really chaotic and can't see where you're going with things (mario kingmaker for example) where it feels like you're playing your own game as opposed to solving in a way that i can follow, but i see more solving and progression in your posts so far this game and you haven't thrown out any claims or discussion about PR

your posts just feel different to what i usually recognise but idk if that means anything bc i have only played with you when you've been town

 

[shawo]

You understand that I both found mafia in mario kingmaker but also backed it up logically and consistently right? I mean, maybe this is you just telling me that you can understand me this game and not the other games, but I do this literally every game. The reason why I think it's bad is because I just assume you didn't read me in the like, 5 previous games we had. (granted I either died or the game ended d2.)

Anyways Geoni didn't respond and I'm gonna vote him and go to bed. It was between him and dinosaurz since I didn't really read anyone else, but I wanted my vote to be useful since there's no way I'm up before day ends.

Either way - I think Geoni is likely harder to kill, and if dino is going to die I won't need to be there.

I guess some closing thoughts would be - no one is really a hard townread for me on d1, but I think hikari is probably the closest thing I have to one. I'm fairly certain I explained both of my scumreads already so anyone coming back to read me can just iso me.

 

[Dinosaurz]

I guess shawo just doesn’t know my playstyle

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Right now my gut is telling me Hikari

 

[epona]

You understand that I both found mafia in mario kingmaker but also backed it up logically and consistently right? I mean, maybe this is you just telling me that you can understand me this game and not the other games, but I do this literally every game. The reason why I think it's bad is because I just assume you didn't read me in the like, 5 previous games we had. (granted I either died or the game ended d2.)

Anyways Geoni didn't respond and I'm gonna vote him and go to bed. It was between him and dinosaurz since I didn't really read anyone else, but I wanted my vote to be useful since there's no way I'm up before day ends.

Either way - I think Geoni is likely harder to kill, and if dino is going to die I won't need to be there.

I guess some closing thoughts would be - no one is really a hard townread for me on d1, but I think hikari is probably the closest thing I have to one. I'm fairly certain I explained both of my scumreads already so anyone coming back to read me can just iso me.

ya i'm not saying you don't have logical justification for things in other games you're just more coherent (to me at least) in this game bc your posts aren't bogged down with confusing claims and basically speaking in tongues which is what i usually expect from you lol
as in i don't have to work as hard to see the points you're making / your reasoning in this game because it's not masked/hidden among other claims and stuff where i have to fish out what's actually relevant

i can see where you're coming from with geoni but i think i need to see more from him, i drew parallels in mario kingmaker between his posts in that game and his posts in squeaky clean where i was mafia with him, and i was beginning to sus him for it, but then heyden replaced in and threw me off
i'm not seeing those same parallels here yet but i want to see more posts from him

 

[Dinosaurz]

God damn it I keep getting so confused when people call dinotown Dino smh

 

[DinoTown]

God damn it I keep getting so confused when people call dinotown Dino smh

I feel the same way about you lol

 

[Dinosaurz]

Me and dinotown

 

[Damniel]

alright i just got up, catching back now

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this is the first time i've seen shawo play like this i think? like not throwing out claims and actually coherently solving
but i've only ever played with him when he's been town

when he was maf in april mafia, he claimed a shiftshiper, death tunneled a player and got a pass until like Day 4. he was much more chaotic there

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Either way - I think Geoni is likely harder to kill, and if dino is going to die I won't need to be there.

i dont think a wolf would openly say this

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i drew parallels in mario kingmaker between his posts in that game and his posts in squeaky clean where i was mafia with him

why does being mafia with him matter now when it didn't with ace lol

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anyway, reading geoni's walls, I actually agreed with shawo's comment on his first few walls. Alot of them were old events and just seemingly random questioning that i dont think changes things much. Like if something old is revenant and we've been missing it, say so. It just felt like he was asking empty questions to contribute to a large wall

after shawo's post though, i think geo's wall quality went up a bit. he made a few more assertions on players and I got a pretty good sense of where his thought process was

I honestly just can't agree with pushing guava now since that just feels so lazy and people usually like always default to that. I think its annoying that guava doesnt want to contribute anything yet, and definitely need to more D2 to want to keep them alive, but im really struggling to see maf be so openly uninterested and not want to do anything

glow is a good player he brought up since he said there's nothing striking about her so far, and ill have to agree. she said shed vote tonight, and I dont think she did, so hard to know whats she's thinking rn

so yea, the real lack of real time reactions on events make me feel that some parts of the wall are just hollow. i wouldn't chop here today since I do see him making more clear claims, but im not like sold on him being town yet

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i have a thought im interested in running by people but ill bring it a bit later. its a busy day tbh but im gonna do my best to be around for EoD

 

[Damniel]

guys we need to find each other quickly. i want to work with people but there’s not many options...

we need to start cooperating more and come together

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it just feels like we’re all individual playing and there’s no cohesion going on

 

[Dinosaurz]

How do you suggest we work together

 

[Damniel]

How do you suggest we work together

we would be gathering our PoE and see how’s at the bottom and work from there. There’s players some want to chop, but others done, and vice versa. We need to work on who we agree is at the bottom of the barrel and prevent town cannibalization

also, you said you’d get getting your reads together last night. can you share them now?

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i think i’m townreading finalarcadia too much here. that’s something to relook at for later but not a d1 chop so whateves

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but others done,

don't, like guava and dinosaurz for example

 

[Dinosaurz]

Ughhh I’m a bit busy so I can’t do in-depth reads and really look in. But currently I townread Alek, and i guess lean towards town for Daniel too.
hikari is sus for me, with what I said before about him reminding me of tea also the way he came for me at first was still weird. I know he tried justifying it but I can’t get it out of my head. the Tone seems off for me.

I’m not really sure what to think of ace. the behaviour is strange for sure but honestly I see more as town currently.
shawo thinking I’m Mafia eh I just don’t think they know how I usually am lol.
geoni I’m neutral on. I can’t get a very good read on him.

 

[MyLifeIsCake]

These always start on the worst days for me and the thread closes when I have the whole day off ppfhhhhh
The problem with starting games as during the day for me is that I can lurk the thread at work but not have enough time to write out responses I would have liked. A lot of the things I wanted to say are kind of moot points that people have moved past so it'd be pointless to bring that stuff up again.

Okay so I've skimmed like 30 pages and here's my thoughts on some players if anyone cares:

Ace Marvel (Colton)
Ace being ace but I thought that about them last game and was very wrong about their alignment last time. I'd watch for any hesitant behavior from them, bc last game they were wolfing they felt nervous the whole time.

guav@ (Monique)
Guav is being flakey. Yeah D1 is kind of a slog without any info tied to kills but trying to be part of the conversation can help us gather opinions from other players. Either way, I don't think they should get a pass for this kind of thing if this continues for every cycle.

Alek (Stitches)
The instance for other players to answer your questions reads as paranoid town more than anything. I'm not really sure what info you gathered from those questions that would help everyone. It felt like more affirmation for yourself to get the AI of other players than gathering beneficial info for the whole town tbh

Damniel (Vesta)
Daminel has been the most vocal player so far. Also, being the first one to vote very early into the day, even when Geoni hadn't showed up yet. I can't tell if this is steering other players in a direction or just to spark conversations. It seemed when people questioned him about the early voting choices he quickly backed off from it, maybe as to not have his choices stick out too much from anyone else's.
He could very well be a wolf in sheep clothing.

Dinosaurz (Pietro)
A lot of your responses have been very short and quick. I don;t remember playing with you but I'm guessing this is your play-style. However, you are active and don't seem to hesitate answering questions or placing thoughts tho, so I would TL this for now

Hikari (Poncho)
I played a game with Hikari years ago like in the beginning era of TBT mafia and I remember one of those games they were mafia and tried to blend in hard and be v agreeable with other players in town. I'm assuming most maf players would do this. I don't want to base reads and playstyles off of years ago but just my observation for now

Geoni (Dobie)
Popped in kind of late, and mostly contributed thoughts on the early game stuff quite by quote in an infodump. Reminds me of endless did in the last game. I'd watch for this if he seems to be getting a lot of influence in his post and doesn't end up night killed.

Shawo (Raymond)
The way Shawo playing here is ... odd. Like the last time I played with them they were claiming roles left and right and being a little chaotic if I'm being honest. This seems out of place from what others have said about them in other games. Epona points this out too. Actually, I'm genuinely surprised no one has claimed D1 yet. Let's keep it that way.

Epona, volt, dedenne, glow, Arcaida I want to re-read them so atm I am null on them.

And I need coffee now

 

[Damniel]

all of cake's reads here end in a so-so read with alot of hesitancy. I dont see a firm conclusion for any of them

also if people believed I seriously voted geo because I thought he was mafia, big lol

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like i think only the dino read solidifies into a town read and everything else seems like a big null, which im curious as to why the other players aren't further elaborated here and only summarized as null

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like i didn't actually think he was maf lol i just wanted to get some reactions and discussion going