Damniel
Openly Wolfing
im pretty sure that’s on the night kills. i don’t think chops reveal anything
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Mafia Island Madness - Town Wins
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Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
Do you know that because you are mafia?
Damniel
Openly Wolfing
ace is acting too hectic hear i probs won’t vote here
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come on man you can build cases better than this
y'all: guava machine go ____________________________ (head empty no thoughts)
guava: actually if you look at one of the four (4) posts i've made you'll see i contributed something rEleVaNt To tHe gAmEpLay
:~)
Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
Please do!
@Alek see Always make so I don't get voted off, which is good because I'm town.
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You been here is enough! You make this game 100% fresh!
Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
Spooky! Guava would you care to join the wagon of Damniel. We have cookies and cold refreshments in every meeting.
ugh i would but honestly i think ur being extra zesty chaotic mafia ace so... i'm not fully on board with that
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Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
ugh i would but honestly i think ur being extra zesty chaotic mafia ace so... i'm not fully on board with that
Is okay, it just means I have to work harder on my key points, but I love that you think I'm zesty.
Last game I was watered down.
Geoni
You're doing great!
If you had to find AI in the thing you found weird what would you consider it to indicate: a towny perspective or a wolfy one?
As much as this is the type of tone I like, it will concern me if you don't try. That's all you can do.
You were the king of doing RQS before your champs games.
Just because you have progressed from an approach doesn't mean it needed to be slammed, if it's something that someone needs to do to get more comfortable with the game I don't see the harm in it on the surface. What's done with it always depends. Just a note for future you.
also i agree with epona, alek/Daniel seems town/town, especially aleks defensiveness.
You read Alek's defensiveness as towny but why do you read Daniel as towny in their exchange?
You have no thoughts on what was discussed during it though?
I felt the same way about her complaining but why do you feel the need to note it if you don't find it AI?
Again why do you feel the need to note something you feel you can't obtain any alignment tells from? Even if you were to say it's a meta thing there's something that makes you note it.
It's only filler for those people who haven't reacted to or taken part in the darts Dan was throwing before it happened imo.
Yeah when I was looking over this thread's OP and the sign up thread I didn't see anything about the roles being a pool to be chosen from rather than them all being in the game and assumed 4 mafia out of safety so I +1 this line of questioning.
Why do you feel so strongly about it? I get ever so slight towniness from the tone but so far it hadn't felt like enough solving or attempts at solving were happening from him.
I thiiink I can agree on Alek so far? I feel like I can respect that townread from you because you had that back and forth with them just before this.
Yeah I also followed his games very closely and skimmed the game 8 rerand they also did on MU and he figured out some things that worked as town on both the giving and receiving end. As someone who has been through multiple champs games as well where you get to the point where you are among higher skilled players you don't come out unchanged. I'm not entirely there on him not being willing to do something that would be unconventional as mafia here but I think if I were to keep it simple for myself I lean this direction. I think it makes me feel solid about you being genuine in saying this about Dan because I also read his games.
So like where I am at after this quote dump is like:
Epona
Alek
Dinosaurz
Hikari
Dan
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The rest
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Ace
Volt
Guava
Mind you this is as of page 15 cause I don't want to have an even more massive wall.
There's for sure like...most of the mafia in that 'the rest' category because people who I am quoting and addressing are doing things to begin with.
Will try and make sure I slap y'all with a part 2 of the rest of the thread before the shift is over.
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I might bump Dan above Hikari actually.
Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
If you had to find AI in the thing you found weird what would you consider it to indicate: a towny perspective or a wolfy one?
As much as this is the type of tone I like, it will concern me if you don't try. That's all you can do.
You were the king of doing RQS before your champs games.
Just because you have progressed from an approach doesn't mean it needed to be slammed, if it's something that someone needs to do to get more comfortable with the game I don't see the harm in it on the surface. What's done with it always depends. Just a note for future you.
You read Alek's defensiveness as towny but why do you read Daniel as towny in their exchange?
You have no thoughts on what was discussed during it though?
I felt the same way about her complaining but why do you feel the need to note it if you don't find it AI?
Again why do you feel the need to note something you feel you can't obtain any alignment tells from? Even if you were to say it's a meta thing there's something that makes you note it.
It's only filler for those people who haven't reacted to or taken part in the darts Dan was throwing before it happened imo.
Yeah when I was looking over this thread's OP and the sign up thread I didn't see anything about the roles being a pool to be chosen from rather than them all being in the game and assumed 4 mafia out of safety so I +1 this line of questioning.
Why do you feel so strongly about it? I get ever so slight towniness from the tone but so far it hadn't felt like enough solving or attempts at solving were happening from him.
I thiiink I can agree on Alek so far? I feel like I can respect that townread from you because you had that back and forth with them just before this.
Yeah I also followed his games very closely and skimmed the game 8 rerand they also did on MU and he figured out some things that worked as town on both the giving and receiving end. As someone who has been through multiple champs games as well where you get to the point where you are among higher skilled players you don't come out unchanged. I'm not entirely there on him not being willing to do something that would be unconventional as mafia here but I think if I were to keep it simple for myself I lean this direction. I think it makes me feel solid about you being genuine in saying this about Dan because I also read his games.
So like where I am at after this quote dump is like:
Epona
Alek
Dinosaurz
Hikari
Dan
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The rest
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Ace
Volt
Guava
Mind you this is as of page 15 cause I don't want to have an even more massive wall.
There's for sure like...most of the mafia in that 'the rest' category because people who I am quoting and addressing are doing things to begin with.
Will try and make sure I slap y'all with a part 2 of the rest of the thread before the shift is over.
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I might bump Dan above Hikari actually.
Put me lower, I'm the worst evil.
Geoni
You're doing great!
I have to tag @Biancasbotique before I forget
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I feel like that tier list as of page 15 is reflective of finding townies in people who genuinely look like they want to solve people or show they are processing things in a way I find genuine so hopefully it should be that simple.
voltairenism
the mac propaganda representative
bruh why am i being sussed this time
Ace Marvel
Merry & Happy
That is ICONIC! Not a fan of Jaden, but love that!
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And you are being suss because they think we are a team, but once I flip town, I think you are clear.
TL;DR AT THE BOTTOM
Right now I have Geoni as a mafread, not because I don't admire the effort from when they came into the game, but because for some reason they're going through the reads and updating us with current reads. The reason I think this is mafia-aligned is because...
1. There's no room to interact.
There's this HUGE quote dump that no one can talk to Geoni about, and another one coming? Let's give Geoni Botd and say that this is just because they came in late and needs to sort out stuff like this.
EVEN then, the way they're approaching reading still feels inflexible. I mean I might just be misunderstanding Geoni's playstyle, but I (think) that they usually tend to approach scummy things and interact with people about it.
Ok so. I went on a wild ride in the Mario Mafia. And I found all of Geoni's ISO's. An interesting comparison is that Geoni ALSO missed a huge chunk of day - and the way they approached the game was different.
I mean a not so notable difference is just the fact that Geoni is doing this as they read, rather than reading through and then ISO'ing people's lines in context to the rest of the game. (I think outing mafreads on the first 15 pages is irresponsible, since I'm not even sure everyone had a meaningful post in the first 15 pages.)
I'm sorry about how badly this is sorting. But I'm reading the post again and again because there's a difference that's seriously bothering me.
I think the reason why Geoni is mafia is because their analysis is just so... empty.
(hyperlink to a chain of Geoni iso dumps for anyone interested https://www.belltreeforums.com/threads/into-the-marioverse-kingmaker-mafia-win.562172/post-9379014)
I would say that Geoni is treating this game with higher effort, at the very least. They've gone through some serious ISO's and are interacting with a fair amount of people in their posts. Not to mention, the ISO at least feels like there was some thought behind it.
Vs this game, where it feels like the posts are meant to interact (a few comments here and there about various things) but.... they happened yesterday? on page 15?
What response to you want to get from it?
Lastly
The thing is, I also made a few posts about what was happening where I left off. And usually besides a few off-handed replies (to stuff that was talking about me) I realized that it sucked and gave up. None of my reads on page 11 were an accurate match of the state of the game on page 30, and it was just easier to read the game in it's current state regarding the things that are happening.
I think it would not only be easier to read Geoni, but also be easier for Geoni to read others if they just interacted with people in the thread right now rather than doing anything else. And the fact that they're planning on making MULTIPLE wall-posts leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk, and I'd love Geoni to respond to this before the morrow.
Right now I have Geoni as a mafread, not because I don't admire the effort from when they came into the game, but because for some reason they're going through the reads and updating us with current reads. The reason I think this is mafia-aligned is because...
1. There's no room to interact.
There's this HUGE quote dump that no one can talk to Geoni about, and another one coming? Let's give Geoni Botd and say that this is just because they came in late and needs to sort out stuff like this.
EVEN then, the way they're approaching reading still feels inflexible. I mean I might just be misunderstanding Geoni's playstyle, but I (think) that they usually tend to approach scummy things and interact with people about it.
Ok so. I went on a wild ride in the Mario Mafia. And I found all of Geoni's ISO's. An interesting comparison is that Geoni ALSO missed a huge chunk of day - and the way they approached the game was different.
I mean a not so notable difference is just the fact that Geoni is doing this as they read, rather than reading through and then ISO'ing people's lines in context to the rest of the game. (I think outing mafreads on the first 15 pages is irresponsible, since I'm not even sure everyone had a meaningful post in the first 15 pages.)
I'm sorry about how badly this is sorting. But I'm reading the post again and again because there's a difference that's seriously bothering me.
I think the reason why Geoni is mafia is because their analysis is just so... empty.
(hyperlink to a chain of Geoni iso dumps for anyone interested https://www.belltreeforums.com/threads/into-the-marioverse-kingmaker-mafia-win.562172/post-9379014)
I would say that Geoni is treating this game with higher effort, at the very least. They've gone through some serious ISO's and are interacting with a fair amount of people in their posts. Not to mention, the ISO at least feels like there was some thought behind it.
Vs this game, where it feels like the posts are meant to interact (a few comments here and there about various things) but.... they happened yesterday? on page 15?
What response to you want to get from it?
Lastly
Geoni was mafia in that game. So the huge quote dump I gave being different CAN be something that can be said in favor of Geoni. HOWEVER. I think something similar is happening here, in that (geoni) feels obligated to quote dump in order to make up for the fact that they were afk earlier, and the way they're doing it is irresponsible/not town motivated. It doesn't seem like they're trying to gamesolve as much as they're trying to post content. So therefore, Geoni is my scumread.
The formatting is really bad because I try not to edit so you can get my thought process, so it's probably hard to read.
My conclusion is that "Geoni's quote dump is mafia aligned, because it doesn't seem like they're trying to gamesolve with it."
I dislike the fact that they tried to get reactions out of people from stuff that happened (between page 1-15) and I dislike the fact that they're outing reads on things that have only happened, between page 1-15. Most of all, I think it's just them trying to post content rather than solving the game. It feels like a post made for "effort" rather than a post made for "finding mafia."
My conclusion is that "Geoni's quote dump is mafia aligned, because it doesn't seem like they're trying to gamesolve with it."
I dislike the fact that they tried to get reactions out of people from stuff that happened (between page 1-15) and I dislike the fact that they're outing reads on things that have only happened, between page 1-15. Most of all, I think it's just them trying to post content rather than solving the game. It feels like a post made for "effort" rather than a post made for "finding mafia."
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The thing is, I also made a few posts about what was happening where I left off. And usually besides a few off-handed replies (to stuff that was talking about me) I realized that it sucked and gave up. None of my reads on page 11 were an accurate match of the state of the game on page 30, and it was just easier to read the game in it's current state regarding the things that are happening.
I think it would not only be easier to read Geoni, but also be easier for Geoni to read others if they just interacted with people in the thread right now rather than doing anything else. And the fact that they're planning on making MULTIPLE wall-posts leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Thanks for coming to my ted talk, and I'd love Geoni to respond to this before the morrow.
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Geoni
You're doing great!
Shawo you only have one point and and it's that I tend to dump information after long absences, it's called having a bad schedule for mafia. I have a shift that lends itself to working on a single thing on mobile, working on it while people are still posting before they sleep, and being done with it by the time they are. If the solving is lackluster you should maybe consider that basically everyone but Dan were making posts that didn't successfully drive the game anywhere. If you're annoyed by me making reads chunk by chunk you'll just have to get over it. Also I will interact with whoever when I get to it, if I do.
I think I saw you saying something to me earlier but it seemed really confused. The 5 mafia comment and me not understanding the context of the setup? Pretty sure I ignored it cause it wasn't pressing.
If you more interaction from me, hmu at EoD when I am (maybe) ready.
You seemed hung up on people not answering a question and I think it was this one. The answer is that it depends person by person, some people try and replicate their town meta as scum to varying degrees of success, others just act scummy all the time for their meta to be difficult to read, and some just change it up all the time or don't try to do it to begin with. This isn't a hard question to answer but I don't know why you got hung up on people not answering it, that being said?
Bshdudjdn I keep saying it
This is a lot harder to self moderate than I thought and it feels so ridiculous.
Moving on
I think I saw you saying something to me earlier but it seemed really confused. The 5 mafia comment and me not understanding the context of the setup? Pretty sure I ignored it cause it wasn't pressing.
If you more interaction from me, hmu at EoD when I am (maybe) ready.
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You seemed hung up on people not answering a question and I think it was this one. The answer is that it depends person by person, some people try and replicate their town meta as scum to varying degrees of success, others just act scummy all the time for their meta to be difficult to read, and some just change it up all the time or don't try to do it to begin with. This isn't a hard question to answer but I don't know why you got hung up on people not answering it, that being said?
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Bshdudjdn I keep saying it
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This is a lot harder to self moderate than I thought and it feels so ridiculous.
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Moving on
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Geoni
You're doing great!
Lol I'm at the part where Dan plays gun to head with people and he's even talking like Master Radishes when trying to set it up
As funny as that is, it was the right thing to bring to that thread in the state it was. Just making an aside here.
As funny as that is, it was the right thing to bring to that thread in the state it was. Just making an aside here.
DinoTown
Festive Fossil
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Damniel said he did ping you. Sorry lol.
@DinoTown ...discord pings can save lives you know.
I've got 600 posts to catch up on. Could be worse, could be better, but I'll be on and off working on that at work tonight!
Geoni
You're doing great!
Okay so I made it to page 28ish with this and my replies are gonna be blitzed because shift ending soon.
This checks out as someone who is making an effort to out their reads and sorta work with the rest of the town despite the hangup of not having played with us before and I can appreciate that.
That being said, I question the Cake townread a little too. I got some mild town-tone from Cake for some reason but it was never enough to anchor a read in.
Just quoting this because it's a shared initial reaction.
I share this feeling about Dino as well because seeing Dan call him an early townread earlier on in my catch up felt questionable at the time but I couldn't really bring myself to disagree with it entirely because of the reactions during the Poncho/Dobie stuff feeling genuine but I think the filleryness is what kept him back in the strength of my townread and I still feel the same way more or less.
I remember you doing very well in that game and I think what worked for you was pretty dang simple: you just didn't waver on the players you found suspicious and ended up having a solid 2/3. Not saying you should always be unwavering again but the one thing I remember about you is that you stuck to your guns and probably made yourself hard to appeal to.
Never got the ping smh I don't think I have it muted either? Frustrating but hey I didn't just miss the entire day at least.
This is what I've been feeling for a while in my catch up and I am glad you came to a point where you could see it. Ace... it's going to depend on some things for me from him that makes him not want to eliminate him at this very moment but see how he acts at EoD.
+1 from me on your takes about both though.
For me the vibe was that they had TMI at moments plus some fillery moments and just coming to reads I don't understand why she would come to confidently.
Big Alek post
I don't have the time for a full response here but I quoted it so I will snip it from this and respond at the desktop when I get home.
Actually I will finish this up in the next hour or so, ran out of time and will be at desktop soon
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Do that challenge!
This checks out as someone who is making an effort to out their reads and sorta work with the rest of the town despite the hangup of not having played with us before and I can appreciate that.
That being said, I question the Cake townread a little too. I got some mild town-tone from Cake for some reason but it was never enough to anchor a read in.
Just quoting this because it's a shared initial reaction.
I share this feeling about Dino as well because seeing Dan call him an early townread earlier on in my catch up felt questionable at the time but I couldn't really bring myself to disagree with it entirely because of the reactions during the Poncho/Dobie stuff feeling genuine but I think the filleryness is what kept him back in the strength of my townread and I still feel the same way more or less.
I remember you doing very well in that game and I think what worked for you was pretty dang simple: you just didn't waver on the players you found suspicious and ended up having a solid 2/3. Not saying you should always be unwavering again but the one thing I remember about you is that you stuck to your guns and probably made yourself hard to appeal to.
Never got the ping smh I don't think I have it muted either? Frustrating but hey I didn't just miss the entire day at least.
This is what I've been feeling for a while in my catch up and I am glad you came to a point where you could see it. Ace... it's going to depend on some things for me from him that makes him not want to eliminate him at this very moment but see how he acts at EoD.
+1 from me on your takes about both though.
For me the vibe was that they had TMI at moments plus some fillery moments and just coming to reads I don't understand why she would come to confidently.
Big Alek post
I don't have the time for a full response here but I quoted it so I will snip it from this and respond at the desktop when I get home.
Actually I will finish this up in the next hour or so, ran out of time and will be at desktop soon
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Please try to take more care to avoid using the words "lynch" and "scum" all! Please note that any replacement words used should also be inoffensive. A good way to figure out if a word is appropriate or not is to consider if you would receive a warning for saying it outside of the context of mafia. If you would receive a warning for saying something anywhere else on the forum (eg calling someone scum, stupid, ********, etc would get you warned if you said this in the ACNH board) then it shouldn't be said in the game either. Thank you! 
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