I've been thinking for a while, I don't know where I stand anymore.
Before shawo had that argument with me I was taking notes about several of his posts. I was already suspicious of him over him even voting Toads initially just due to him being antognistic (this is a both sideism sort of situation) and then suddenly dropping without an explanation, like he was aware of how others were perceiving him and wanted a way out after memeing around for no reason.
It was this post in particular that made me raise an extra eyebrow.
Ace looks like they're digging for reactions, so the question is are they pretending to do it as mafia or doing it as town?
Scum needs to appeal to the masses in the town in order to accomplish their nefarious end goals. This, to me at least, looked a lot like Shawo was testing the waters rather than make any definitive statement about him. "Planting the seeds of doubt" so they say to get others riled up without it being traced back to him.
If I'm being blunt, I do not believe that Ace Marvel is a good elimination for this phase. It feels to me like people are either pushing him up simply because it doesn't take much thought to say so (parroting), or that he is just an easy scapegoat. He gives me same vibes as Antonio, where he's just memeing around and purposefully not contributing just for the heck of it. Is this good reasoning? Maybe not. But I don't believe I lean mafia on Ace; he feels too convenient, at least for the reasons people are saying right now.
I think just to clarify something which is the reason I'm so undecided on ace.
It was super obvious that they were reaction baiting, but they got trapped in not wanting to go in hard.
This happens for two reasons: They're town and are trying to be pro town (by not starting anything), or they're mafia and wanted to get away with a 'towny looking rxn'. the only reason I bring up the latter is because it's a trap I fall into all the time by virtue of how I play mafia.
And then I read this, and I just did not vibe with it. I can give points for creativity, but I don't interpret what Ace to be doing is this scenario, I simply see it as him just being the village idiot (yes I know that's mean but still). He states a valid reason to be suspicious of Ace, but he still does not make a statement leaning one side or the other. It's a typical thing to do as scum to say something like this, get others riled up, and then they have no responsibility for the elimination due to not being an active member of it.
So that brings us to the current argument he had with me, and I just do not understand the logic in the slightest, but the mere fact that he exploded over something so trivial when he was in no danger at all feels oddly town?? Like, this is the beginning of his argument:
I want to call this mafia but the simple explanation for town is that, at some point between his posts that were...~2 hours apart, he suddenly decided I was 100% mafia and everyone who didn't think so is "giving me a free pass."
Never once did I say he was 100% mafia, only that I thought people were allowing him to go under the radar when it came to who we were discussing as potential eliminations, as though he was completely absolved from discussion for some reason. This is the post I made that I planned to back up with this post after about an hour before he went gung ho:
Hot take: The people saying Ace Marvel should be lynched either parroting what someone else said or are scum trying to set up an easy lynch due to Ace purposefully acting dumb xoxo
I still wanna lynch Shawo and I don’t know why anyone is giving him a free pass.
It's like... use your intuition here and look at this from perspective. That wasn't a concrete "zomg shawo scum if u don't lynch u maf!!" but it was just saying that I think he needs to be discussed more. It's as I said in that I don't always hit the nail on the head with my speech lol, all of this was just completely unnecessary.
And then it looks like he's trying to gaslight me, making it look as though I'm somehow I'm insane for w
I think the argument I've made itself is self contained in it's logic. I'm pretty proud of it.
I've made a clear remark as to the claims that ness has made (and he can't say that I misrepresented it because he did CLARIFY what it meant a few pages after.) To which Ness has only responded by saying that I'm... misrepresenting him? Making false equivalencies? Saying that what he did was more than what he actually did?
I mean what "Use your intuition?" That's how you respond to a formally written logical argument as to something you did that I thought was wrong, that you STILL refuse to respond to?
I mean seriously, I still don't completely understand what your argument even is. You're town, I'm pushing you for elimination, that equates to me being mafia? That I somehow scumlock you when I
literally never even said that once?
This took a lot of energy for me to get my notes together, but tldr this has somehow warped into a townlean for him making just the most brazen, jump-the-gun scumread on me that I've ever seen playing on this site that I have a difficult time seeing him as mafia for doing so.
I never said you were scumlocked. I'm sorry I did not make my wording more eloquent. But christ dude, this was a complete non issue from my point of view.
For the time being, I think shawo is a mild
townlean.
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ANYWAY, I admittedly don't have a whole lot to say at this point in time because I read players individually. I'm starting to feel like SensaiGallade may be a good candidate for elimination since I feel they're being noncommittal. I feel like there's someone potentially better than Sensai but I am pretty much at a loss at this point in time. I'll go back and read the thread more and develop further notes/thoughts.
