Mafia June 2020 Mafia Game Thread [DAY 2 ENDS AT 6/20 5PM PST]

only coming in to post unexplained vote options doesn't make me think he cares about getting scum. He's posted but most of it isn't explained much so I get a strong vibe of coasting

to me that says he doesn't care about anything, which is pretty par for the course with sensai
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his most consistent read was on me, which to me shows he's just like whatever
 
If you want my opinion, glow hasn't done much contribution so it seems a little bit early to make a proper judgement since most comments were memey.


This post made me think he was engaged with the game at that time but he basically disappeared like this

Before I disappear to bed:



I can't tell if you were trying to start a glow bandwagon as a joke or not but if not then why aren't they there?
Also a quick scum list I guess:
  • Shawo
  • Ace
  • Gelatin Brotha from anotha mutha /s

He comes in out of nowhere to comment on ace and then gives his 3 vote picks. I have no idea how he got to these options esspecially given the early interaction of toads and shawo. I don't know if he's joking about toads on the list, but I don't sense he's engaged with the game to explain anything

also maf can use emotions (look at the last two games) so I don't really think much about whether or not the emotions were faked. But excluding his post saying he's unmotivated you can see he's been present but not explaining anything at all
 
I think that was the post I was looking for the most from Ness.

However... I still stand by

People that don't want to lynch him. Frankly I don't see why it matters, I have many thoughts to share and they're coming soon.

Being equivalent to a 100% scumread.

However, this is MY interpretation. I will admit, I'm not you, and I can't say exactly how you were thinking.

only that I thought people were allowing him to go under the radar when it came to who we were discussing as potential eliminations, as though he was completely absolved from discussion for some reason.

This was the response to the point, in which that "People who don't want to lynch me are allowing me to go under the radar.

So right now my scumread on you hinges on how truthful I think you're being right now.

Do I believe that you genuinely misrepresented what you were trying to say? Or perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly?

Or is it easier to believe that you considered me as "going under the radar" when I was probably the most named person as scum in leaf's RQ's.

I'll look into it more later.
 
if you don't care about the game every single time then why bother playing right

I ask myself that about a lot of people... its very sensai to pop in, drop comments on something right there and then dip back out... I can't remember the last time remembering him be consistent day 1. I just don't think that wagon is truly as strong as you are making it out to be
 
I think Heyden's recent post is pretty analytical but there's a few things I find weird

Lothitine
- Looks a bit lost but she's trying, null.

Frogslime
- Same thing, looks lost but trying, null.

Pinkshade
- My magical orb tells me she'll replace out, null.

How are Loth and Frog on the same level? Loth has given thoughts and reads but Frog hasn't posted anything substantial at all just (I gotta read this). Not sure how you're seeing them the same and how you think Pinkshade is the one subbing out when I would think it would be frog tbh
 
Also, the reason I've been so harsh on Ness' wording, is specifically because he took the time to clarify that he meant "everyone who wasn't talking about voting me."

If it's the first time I'd let it slide as a mistake, but I think the fact that it was a reiteration means that it was intentional.

but again, there's a perfectly valid town excuse, and at this point it's down to whether I believe that or not.
 
I think Heyden's recent post is pretty analytical but there's a few things I find weird



How are Loth and Frog on the same level? Loth has given thoughts and reads but Frog hasn't posted anything substantial at all just (I gotta read this). Not sure how you're seeing them the same and how you think Pinkshade is the one subbing out when I would think it would be frog tbh
i think his reads were not completely done reading
 
I think that was the post I was looking for the most from Ness.

However... I still stand by



Being equivalent to a 100% scumread.

However, this is MY interpretation. I will admit, I'm not you, and I can't say exactly how you were thinking.



This was the response to the point, in which that "People who don't want to lynch me are allowing me to go under the radar.

So right now my scumread on you hinges on how truthful I think you're being right now.

Do I believe that you genuinely misrepresented what you were trying to say? Or perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly?

Or is it easier to believe that you considered me as "going under the radar" when I was probably the most named person as scum in leaf's RQ's.

I'll look into it more later.
It really doesn’t equate to 100% scumread, all I said was “people seem to have completely forgotten about him” because nearly everyone except toads was claiming they were interested in pursuing you. That’s it.

You really keep moving the goal posts on me when I feel like I’ve already explained this from my point of view. What I said makes sense and I don’t understand why you’ve interpreted it the way you have, especially in a way as gung ho as you did.

This is the last I have to say on it all, you can take what I have to say or you can continue to live with your theory here. I’ve made my piece, and I leave it to you to come to your own conclusion.
 
I ask myself that about a lot of people... its very sensai to pop in, drop comments on something right there and then dip back out... I can't remember the last time remembering him be consistent day 1. I just don't think that wagon is truly as strong as you are making it out to be

do you think Sensai would be trying harder as maf then? Is lack of motivation NAI or town?

i think his reads were not completely done reading
fair but by then Loth and Pinkshade had still given more thoughts than Frog has
 
i hate tbt's wallposts
you've parroted the entire game and popped in and out. that's worse than people describing their opinions

I think just kinda purports my point about you being noncommittal since you have three reads on one person... it almost seems like you're doing it subconsciously which leads me to believe thats just how you are. so I don't know. But also I don't know why town would draw attention to someone being blue or why someone is prepping to be a town leader unless you had a problem with him being a leader? you are still slipping into my scum suspects at this time though
on the other hand, if i were mafia, why would i call attention to it? your reasoning's flawed. i mentioned it for the purpose of town being aware in case it were the latter (maf). remember, we have potential doc/jk, so the pros outweighed the cons. you also have to keep in mind the fact that i may entirely be incorrect

i don't understand your logic, but it also seems as though you're a more subjective player than objective

How are Loth and Frog on the same level? Loth has given thoughts and reads but Frog hasn't posted anything substantial at all just (I gotta read this). Not sure how you're seeing them the same and how you think Pinkshade is the one subbing out when I would think it would be frog tbh
i don't think loth has posted substantive information either. loth is trying though, and i will give them credit for that. pinkshade/frog are more than likely going to wind up being subbed
 
Aerious said:
on the other hand, if i were mafia, why would i call attention to it? your reasoning's flawed. i mentioned it for the purpose of town being aware in case it were the latter (maf). remember, we have potential doc/jk, so the pros outweighed the cons. you also have to keep in mind the fact that i may entirely be incorrect

i don't understand your logic, but it also seems as though you're a more subjective player than objective

ok, but why do that now... we should be trying to find someone to eliminate, like thats just such a weird thing to be doing and yeah you could be totally wrong and most likely are, so again I don't know why anyone would even be doing that. It doesn't help town at all.

I just don't get what any of your intentions, I'm gonna reread your posts and see if it help me, but there is just something very off
 
vote: no lynch

was this a placeholder or do you think we should no lynch

i don't think loth has posted substantive information either. loth is trying though, and i will give them credit for that. pinkshade/frog are more than likely going to wind up being subbed

yea its not much but to say loth and frog are the same in effort is not true
 
How are Loth and Frog on the same level? Loth has given thoughts and reads but Frog hasn't posted anything substantial at all just (I gotta read this). Not sure how you're seeing them the same and how you think Pinkshade is the one subbing out when I would think it would be frog tbh
Ummm nvm, honestly didn't realise they had more posts than that. I probably filtered them out of my brain while reading the thread.

Looking through Frogslime, yeah still sticking to the lost narrative.
Lothitine provided better content after the 500 post mark where I stopped. Her reads barely align with mine, but the effort is good, just not AI enough for me yet.
Pinkshade I was wrong on, looking through her filter her posts seem intuitive, but that's all I get from it. If I had to lean one way, probably town.
 
If I'm being blunt, I do not believe that Ace Marvel is a good elimination for this phase. It feels to me like people are either pushing him up simply because it doesn't take much thought to say so (parroting), or that he is just an easy scapegoat. He gives me same vibes as Antonio, where he's just memeing around and purposefully not contributing just for the heck of it. Is this good reasoning? Maybe not. But I don't believe I lean mafia on Ace; he feels too convenient, at least for the reasons people are saying right now.

ANYWAY, I admittedly don't have a whole lot to say at this point in time because I read players individually. I'm starting to feel like SensaiGallade may be a good candidate for elimination since I feel they're being noncommittal. I feel like there's someone potentially better than Sensai but I am pretty much at a loss at this point in time. I'll go back and read the thread more and develop further notes/thoughts.
this doesn't add up to me. i'm leaning on ace for elimination due to causing chaos for us (and i'm not sure if that's AI or not) -- it's not because of being an easy scapegoat. in the same breath, you say he's memeing/purposefully not contributing. then you want to vote sensei for being noncommittal. can you explain this to me?


ok, but why do that now... we should be trying to find someone to eliminate
i already said who i'm leaning on
 
Erm, is there a way I can get caught up? I'm currently re-reading the thread so maybe that'll help.
I'm sorry I suck so bad at these games-
 
Aeth said:
in all seriousness, my choices as of current are:
1. punchy
2. sensei
3. frogslime

Aeth said:
i'm not fully buying this excuse. the easy wagoning target would've been toads or shawo. why try to start another? also, you completely halted the conversation between the two of them by shifting the topic. i wanted to see more about what they had to say

inc my list (copied from toads, i'm lazy):
  1. Lothitine - null/scum lean Loth is too new for me to tell if it's ignorance or AI. I want to see their play in the upcoming days, because the contribution to town has been meaningless and parroting imo. Leaning on ignorance due to mixing up Epona and Punchy.
  2. Ness - town lean/null For reasons I stated earlier. The 2KP misunderstanding leans away from mafia.
  3. Teddy345 - null/scum lean Faux bandwagon could've thrown town off. Best case: Shawo and Toads are town. Worst case: Shawo and Toads are mafia. Why did he immediately back off and get defensive instead of justifying his reasoning, especially if this was to benefit town? Why throw an easy wagon just because not enough attention was on him?
  4. Feferily - null
  5. Toads - null - Has been aiding town, but also overly explained ATE to Epona. Toads can go either way for me at this point.
  6. Shawo - null - Somewhat aided town, haven't seen enough to definitively lean either way.
  7. glow - null
  8. Sensei - scum lean Not a huge fan of people avoiding the topic at hand. Sensei responds without adding much else beyond parroting. Time zone and not wanting to isn't an excuse if you can type two lines about people.
  9. Heyden - null
  10. Aerious - town
  11. Daniel - town/maf By the way Daniel's taken the lead and seems self-assured, I'm thinking he has PR regardless. Either he's 100% town preparing to take the lead, or 100% mafia preparing to deceive town.
  12. Pinkshade - null
  13. Mayor Leaf - town lean/null Mayor Leaf's been contributing and confident. The sole reason it isn't fully town is because someone mentioned this not being on par with a past game. Could be overcompensating, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
  14. Frogslime - null/scum lean Frogslime hasn't contributed enough for me to tell if it's AI.
  15. Bianca - null
  16. Punchy - null/scum lean Punchy contributed something and is double dipping in games. Potential excuse?
  17. Epona - null Objective player, no way to tell which way she'll go. Leaning town because of gut, but that's not enough of a reason to fully be town-leaning.
Aeth said:
right now it's entirely been me brute forcing to get a concise answer from other players. as i said, this d1 feels stalled due to a main lead being thrown. i'm not going to parrot, i'd rather be allowed time to form my own opinions and gauge reactions
Aeth said:
answer, this is my third time asking:
i'm not fully buying this excuse. the easy wagoning target would've been toads or shawo. why try to start another? also, you completely halted the conversation between the two of them by shifting the topic. i wanted to see more about what they had to say

why throw a lead?
Aeth said:
i haven't seen you give a legitimate answer beyond the fact that you dislike attention pointing away from you. you were also curious about why shawo voted you d1, and acted offended when he unvoted for you?
Aeth said:
it could've been town or mafia. as town, it's confusing, erratic, and could've been a throw.

Aeth said:
i stated my thoughts as null. i'm not reading toads as town or mafia, but the discussion between shawo and toads was cut short earlier due to nonsense. i'd like to hear more about what they have to say

Aeth said:
shift in discussion shifted from you and shawo earlier. it's not chaos, now we're finally getting into the nitty gritty, i want to hear more. that's all

Aeth said:
i don't mean it as in they're now confirmed town scot-free, i just wanted to hear more earlier and the convo was derailed. sorry for not explaining myself properly. ace is trying to derail the convo from actual **** back to the nonsense we had earlier where nothing was being accomplished. that's the point i'm trying to make. having these discussions are important

All these quotes are from Aeth before I started going into her more... and especially the last 4, it just seems they are TRYING to stay in the middle of the road, they are trying to incite something whether its between me and Shawo or on Ace. But I get no inclination about what you would do with this information

if you question someone, you hopefully get an answer and adjust your reads, you use that information. I feel like you are set on a bunch of null reads and trying to just incite things to spark an elimination on someone else, none of this really shows legit scum hunting though
 
this doesn't add up to me. i'm leaning on ace for elimination due to causing chaos for us (and i'm not sure if that's AI or not) -- it's not because of being an easy scapegoat. in the same breath, you say he's memeing/purposefully not contributing. then you want to vote sensei for being noncommittal. can you explain this to me?



i already said who i'm leaning on

Well then if you had to vote one right now, who would it be and why?
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I feel like you have reads, and are just defending them at this point, theres a subltety to your posts that just feels like you are trying to construct everything to appear townie and defend your reads than actually trying to scum hunt
 
if you question someone, you hopefully get an answer and adjust your reads, you use that information. I feel like you are set on a bunch of null reads and trying to just incite things to spark an elimination on someone else, none of this really shows legit scum hunting though
to be fair having a lot of null reads makes sense right now. But do you think her pushes on her top scum reads are weak? And what's the difference between her being scum but sensai being town for not wanting to scum hunt again?
 
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