Mafia June 2020 Mafia Game Thread [DAY 2 ENDS AT 6/20 5PM PST]

[toadsworthy]

@N e s s I am actually contemplating switching my vote to Aerious due to aforementioned points and the defensive response to my case in general

But I'm content with a shawo vote and elimination. The hyper focusing on things yet devoid of actually working toward a lynch candidate, while staunchly trying to justify literal everything is really odd and not town helpful and reads scummy. It honestly harkens to one game how I sniffed out Dolby for the same reasons

 

[Damniel]

not for voting toads, aerious, or shawo sorry they’re out of my PoE pool today

 

[N e s s]

@N e s s I am actually contemplating switching my vote to Aerious due to aforementioned points and the defensive response to my case in general

But I'm content with a shawo vote and elimination. The hyper focusing on things yet devoid of actually working toward a lynch candidate, while staunchly trying to justify literal everything is really odd and not town helpful and reads scummy. It honestly harkens to one game how I sniffed out Dolby for the same reasons

I think you should give her the benefit of the doubt here, I think you two seem like you’re getting into this argument just out of emotion at this point.

I can see from Aerious’ point of view that this could just be how she normally played Day 1 in 2014, but I don’t think that’s AI right now. It would help if she reasonably makes her points clear to me before I make a judgement on it. I lean TownV.Town but she does need to work with me (as well as you and others) to make that idea concrete.

And like... Shawo feels weird to me still. He’s confused the hell out of me but I don’t think he warrants being the elimination anymore.

I’ll be back later to give further thoughts, but I need to do college admissions paperwork. Brb.

 

[toadsworthy]

I think you should give her the benefit of the doubt here, I think you two seem like you’re getting into this argument just out of emotion at this point.

I can see from Aerious’ point of view that this could just be how she normally played Day 1 in 2014, but I don’t think that’s AI right now. It would help if she reasonably makes her points clear to me before I make a judgement on it. I lean TownV.Town but she does need to work with me (as well as you and others) to make that idea concrete.

And like... Shawo feels weird to me still. He’s confused the hell out of me but I don’t think he warrants being the elimination anymore.

I’ll be back later to give further thoughts, but I need to do college admissions paperwork. Brb.

get that degree beebee

 

[Biancasbotique]

Daniel is punchy out of your voting pool today? Considering that Sensai and him are on the same level of motivation

 

[Damniel]

I think you should give her the benefit of the doubt here, I think you two seem like you’re getting into this argument just out of emotion at this point.

I can see from Aerious’ point of view that this could just be how she normally played Day 1 in 2014, but I don’t think that’s AI right now. It would help if she reasonably makes her points clear to me before I make a judgement on it. I lean TownV.Town but she does need to work with me (as well as you and others) to make that idea concrete.

And like... Shawo feels weird to me still. He’s confused the hell out of me but I don’t think he warrants being the elimination anymore.

I’ll be back later to give further thoughts, but I need to do college admissions paperwork. Brb.

yea the arguments just not logical anymore and just too heated to bother reading anymore. reconvene D2 if you really wanted but there’s no benefit to your conversation anymore it’s just a distraction even if one of you are scum

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Daniel is punchy out of your voting pool today? Considering that Sensai and him are on the same level of motivation

no i posted my pool last night

 

[Ace Marvel]

This might come back to bite later on, but I'm not happy being read town, I'm worried I could flip reads that easily, if I could everyone can. I'm just worried, this could become an easy way out for mafia, too justify their action, I appreciate you acknowledging my effort, but is not good enough to flip me town. It almost feel like a free pass. And it's making the game confusing.

 

[Damniel]

This might come back to bite later on, but I'm not happy being read town, I'm worried I could flip reads that easily, if I could everyone can. I'm just worried, this could become an easy way out for mafia, too justify their action, I appreciate you acknowledging my effort, but is not good enough to flip me town. It almost feel like a free pass. And it's making the game confusing.

which players in particular do you think are quickly town reading you for your post? looking at the specific players will probably help since it’s not everyone who did that

 

[glow]

a person who is blamed for the wrongdoings, mistakes, or faults of others, especially for reasons of expediency.

And you are putting all on Punchy to justify a weak vote, imo. so yeah Punchy is your scapegoat, to end the day voting for a person and if they flip town when killed, just come back and be like "Oh I did not see that coming"

how is my vote weak? and what do you mean by "putting it all on punchy"?

 

[Feferily]

Apologies for never getting back with new reads. I will say I think my vote will probably not be going to Shawo or Toads.Their discussion was sort of muddled and emotional in parts and I feel like it was very much a distraction for any other discussion for this day. I'm tempted to vote for Punchy but I'm unsure if it's emotionally affected by things or if it's because they haven't been much of a help to town in general and they didn't seem too interested in general. Thoughts?

 

[glow]

towny post

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oh boy another wallpost with 5x the words i've said all game

agreed, i actually don't want a pink lynch at all

protect pink at all costs

 

[Damniel]

Apologies for never getting back with new reads. I will say I think my vote will probably not be going to Shawo or Toads.Their discussion was sort of muddled and emotional in parts and I feel like it was very much a distraction for any other discussion for this day. I'm tempted to vote for Punchy but I'm unsure if it's emotionally affected by things or if it's because they haven't been much of a help to town in general and they didn't seem too interested in general. Thoughts?

i agree with shawo and toads for now

punchy i’m indifferent to the emotion and lack of motivation. but what do you think of sensai?

 

[Ace Marvel]

which players in particular do you think are quickly town reading you for your post? looking at the specific players will probably help since it’s not everyone who did that

I should be in everyones pool, like seriously, I can't get away with just one read list. I know some are not town reads, but not being in the pools is borderline not being taken seriously, I could be a dangerous fiend, and you are not seeing that.

Teetering on taking out of my vote pool but need more time/posts to figure out where I stand:
Aerious
Ace
Shawo
Heyden

I think holding a very new player like Ace to the expectations of a reads list ala Damniel, glow, or heyden isn't thesible. Hence why I try to look at the "why" would someone do this, while it can be misconstrued obviously, there can be some helpful bits in it. I said that I don't know why scum Ace would go through so much as to imagine what to worry about for each player being a scum.

Especially given how raw of an emotional person Ace tends to be, if they are faking all of that, I would be impressed. Just doesn't seem to be what they would do...

i don't have a really good scumread yet

just not ace not daniel not mayor not bianca

lothitine, sensai, punchy, and maybe aerious (but i don't think i want to eliminate her today bc i need to see more from her)

this doesn't at all mean i'm townreading everyone else, but i'm not comfortable lynching anybody outside of the above players today

to add to my post, i don't have any possible partner theories but i do think ness/shawo was t/t, same for ace/toads

Ace Marvel - Null/Town Lean

• I don't like how they were after a glow bandwagon for no apparent reason. Ness did ask why they were after this and he was ignored. Later asked again he was insistent that glow was the appropriate option so I'd like to see some explanation as to why. Tunnelling for no reason. Clarified as doing so to get reactions out of people.

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And you are the power players.

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Apologies for never getting back with new reads. I will say I think my vote will probably not be going to Shawo or Toads.Their discussion was sort of muddled and emotional in parts and I feel like it was very much a distraction for any other discussion for this day. I'm tempted to vote for Punchy but I'm unsure if it's emotionally affected by things or if it's because they haven't been much of a help to town in general and they didn't seem too interested in general. Thoughts?

Take your time Remy, don't apologize for that.
IMO opinion uninterested doesn't mean mafia, absent does more for me in that department, but punchy is a possibility, so if you want to vote that way, you would be joining a wagon, so it's a town play most of the time.

 

[Damniel]

I should be in everyones pool, like seriously, I can't get away with just one read list. I know some are not town reads, but not being in the pools is borderline not being taken seriously, I could be a dangerous fiend, and you are not seeing that.

the early nature surrounding you made me think you were being setup for an easy vote so i didn’t want to give in that. i think your reads posts made conclusions that didn’t make sense and your shawo and glow reads contradicted each other. shawo also pointed this out so

what do you think this says about epona, punchy, me and sensai? i’m most interested in punchy and sensai (particularly sensai). he had you in his initial scumlist but then put you into town despite the read not pointing to that at all. i see it more as him having TMI and realizing you probably aren’t going to be the easy vote anymore compared to yesterday

 

[Feferily]

i agree with shawo and toads for now

punchy i’m indifferent to the emotion and lack of motivation. but what do you think of sensai?

I'll be reading Sensai's read in a bit more detail soon but I can say I don't think the meta of eliminating him wrongly should be considered too heavily since roles should be random every game, right?

 

[Ace Marvel]

agreed, i actually don't want a pink lynch at all

protect pink at all costs

Why not yourself? do you have any intel on why we must protect at all costs?
I could say the same about Bianca, so please explain.

Yes your vote is weak and I don't agree with it, punchy is not vote worthy by just giving short answers and insights. I want something more.

the early nature surrounding you made me think you were being setup for an easy vote so i didn’t want to give in that. i think your reads posts made conclusions that didn’t make sense and your shawo and glow reads contradicted each other. shawo also pointed this out so

what do you think this says about epona, punchy, me and sensai? i’m most interested in punchy and sensai (particularly sensai). he had you in his initial scumlist but then put you into town despite the read not pointing to that at all. i see it more as him having TMI and realizing you probably aren’t going to be the easy vote anymore compared to yesterday

That I'm not a serious treat and you will probably scum read me D2, so it's a cycle that will continue.

 

[SensaiGallade]

waiting for him to explain his self-vote

Part placeholder, part being a deadweight to town.

can you explain your initial scum list yesterday and how that changed today

My point on Shawo still stands. Toads from the original read was a joke, sorry that wasn't clear enough. Had a change of mind on Ace after they explained why they were gunning for a glow elimination. Though I don't know how I feel anyore after his recent comments.

I should be in everyones pool, like seriously, I can't get away with just one read list. I know some are not town reads, but not being in the pools is borderline not being taken seriously, I could be a dangerous fiend, and you are not seeing that.

What do you mean by this? Why should you be in everyone's pool? And why should you be considered dangerous?

 

[toadsworthy]

Sensai please I vote yourself

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Unvote

 

[Ace Marvel]

What do you mean by this? Why should you be in everyone's pool? And why should you be considered dangerous?

Because is sooo boring to just be safe, and makes me feel like a joke, I work really hard to stay in peoples pools to have this gone. Normally I'm useful that way, because the real mafia always shows ups at the end.

 

[epona]

Part placeholder, part being a deadweight to town.


My point on Shawo still stands. Toads from the original read was a joke, sorry that wasn't clear enough. Had a change of mind on Ace after they explained why they were gunning for a glow elimination. Though I don't know how I feel anyore after his recent comments.



What do you mean by this? Why should you be in everyone's pool? And why should you be considered dangerous?

self-voting is never pro-town