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I'm not Bi, And I think Bisexual marriage should be welcomed. I have a friend who said she was bisexual, She told me so, And apparently she gets called "Hoe". I miss back then when we didn't give a damn about sexual relations and just played in the sandbox and cared more about Mario Kart. But hey, That's middle school for ya.
oath2order
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Bisexual marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage/same-sex marriage... :/
I know of the verse, and I believe you are interpreting it incorrectly. You need to take into consideration the context of the verse. As I said, if you study up on the verse itself you will see that in many, many interpretations it does not refer to homosexuality.
Besides, even if the verse was referring to homosexuality, the verse is from the old testament of Leviticus. If you're following the teachings that homosexuality is sin then you should be everything else the book of Leviticus teaches... which wouldn't make you a very good person at all. Quite the opposite in fact.
Ok, I'm perfectly fine with you sticking to the bible. Please then follow all of these other teachings:
- Matthew 6:19 "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal"
- Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
- Mark 12:19 "Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother."
- Leviticus 19:19 "You are to keep my statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
- Leviticus 11:10 "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you."
- Leviticus 26:27-30 "If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."
- Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."
- Mark 12:19 "Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother."
- Leviticus 19:19 "You are to keep my statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."
- Leviticus 11:10 "But whatever is in the seas and in the rivers that does not have fins and scales among all the teeming life of the water, and among all the living creatures that are in the water, they are detestable things to you."
- Leviticus 26:27-30 "If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."
This means that:
- You should not own anything.
- You have committed adultery if you so much as look at a woman.
- You must have sex with your brother's wife if your brother dies.
- You cannot wear mixed fabric clothes, such as polyester.
- You cannot eat shellfish.
If you break any of these rules (or any of the many others that I have not listed here), you are required to eat the flesh of your children.
If you do not agree with these teachings, and you do not follow them, then you have no justification for following the "gay hating" teachings either. You simply must admit that it is you who has a problem with homosexuality and nothing to do with your religion.
eyeplaybass
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This this this! All of this!
As someone who grew up in a home with a parent who is a minister, I'm all too familiar with the "Gay is a sin" line. But I don't think that's right. For one thing, I think a lot of the "rules" set fourth by biblical authors were simply cultural limitations more than anything. On top of everything Jas0n has posted, I will add that it would also be "sinful" for a widowed woman to remarry (even though in biblical times, noble men often had multiple wives and large groups of concubines), and it would be "sinful" and considered adultery to marry a divorced woman (but it also doesn't mention that a divorced man cannot remarry). Notice the blatant sexism here? Not really malicious, but cultural for the time; the same, I believe, is the issue with homosexuality, that religious types like to ignore to mask their homophobia.
Also, I read that in two of the more potent "anti-gay" bible passages that people like to use (1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim. 1:10) where Paul writes about "men who have sex with men" being sinners, the words that he uses in the Hebrew actually translate more accurately to "male prostitute." (source: http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/ask-a-gay-christian-response this is actually an article about a gay Christian who is quite interesting.) And I would argue that in the Christian religion, prostitutes of either gender would be a no no for men to sleep with.
You also have to put into perspective that at the time Paul was building these churches, he was working with pagans who had temples full of prostitutes and had sexual rituals as part of their religious cerimonies. Obviously, this would be a tough habit to break, and Paul had to put an end to it somehow.
Just some things to keep in mind.
P.S. I'm a straight christian, engaged to a DIVORCED woman. Oh, and I support gay marriage fully. I think by a lot of conservative Christian standards, I'm quite a sinner.
It just baffles me why you feel the need to call out that people who are gay are sinners yet none of the other things I mentioned. The word "sin" automatically implies a feeling of hate, or at least disapproval. It makes many people who are in the group you are calling out as "sinners" feel belittled and worthless. Whether you hate the group or not, it doesn't change the fact that it is disrespectful and hurtful to a lot of people.
I have nothing against religion, but singling one archaic ruling from thousands of years ago and none of the others, even ones from the same book, seems a little contradictory and leads me to believe that, as I said, it is you who has the problem with homosexuality and has nothing to do with your religion.
I don't want to get into religious debate. I'm simply trying to make you understand that it is your viewpoint, regardless of how harmless you think it is, that is harming the lives of millions of people and there is absolutely no need for such a viewpoint to be enforced when there are countless others from the same religious works that were abandoned long ago. Not to mention that those which were abandoned are much clearer on their definitions than the loosely worded "anti-homosexuality" writings, which many believe not to be so anyway.
eyeplaybass
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The problem that you get though with this is that gay rights in our society are now being equated to civil rights. A lot of people who are pro gay rights will see "I think homosexuality is wrong, but just because I disagree with it, I'm not preaching hate" as equivalent with "I think being black is wrong, but just because I disagree with it, I'm not preaching hate." You can obviously see where there might be a problem there.
I'm not saying I agree with one side or the other on the disagree/hate-speech topic, just pointing it out.
Point is, it's ok to have opinions and to voice them. The problem is that being anti-homosexual is becoming on par with being racist in the world we live in now, and obviously most people think that you should not be entitled to your opinion or your right to voice it if it's racist.
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You may think so, but if this thread was about how delicious shellfish was would you come in here immediately and say "Eating shellfish is a sin! I don't agree with it, but I guess it's fine if you eat it..." I somehow doubt that would be the case. You even said that EVERYBODY is a sinner, so WHY do you need to point out specifically that gay people are sinners?
You are harming millions of lives by saying that you don't agree with it. The collective whole of everybody that doesn't agree with homosexuality is what's stopping homosexuals getting the same rights as everybody else. You are a contribution in that whole and you need to take responsibility for that. I have a hard time believing that you are as okay with homosexuality as you say you are when you are contributing to such a cause.
I agree with eyeplaybass that you are indeed entitled to your opinion, but when that opinion is harmful to many people I am going to speak up about it.
Actually, I am not looking to get bashed, although I am more than sure I will RigBE, but actually, that's not a very good equivalent, because being black is not a sin, as to where, being homosexual is. I am more than positive being homosexual is a sin, but I do not hate homosexual people at all, I just do not like sin. If a homosexual were to talk to me, it's not like I would just run off, I would reply as if it were anyone else. What I have a problem with, is that whether it's on Instagram, Facebook, on here, etc, everybody will post giant things about how being homosexual is okay, but when Christians reply, they're like (I am basing this off of what happened to me with a famous person I liked on Instagram, mainly) "Oh, that's okay, everyone has their own opinions, just keep yours to yourself.". I mean, you're allowed to post pictures or huge statuses about your opinion, but we're not even allowed to reply?! That's what REALLY gets to me. Excuse me, though, if I seem too mad, or anything like that. I am not seeking an argument at all, I am just giving my opinion. I want to meet Blathers.
In other news...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279
Same-sex marriage entering law this week in the UK, with the first marriages expected to take place in Summer 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23338279
Same-sex marriage entering law this week in the UK, with the first marriages expected to take place in Summer 2014
bittermeat
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Wow, that's amazing. Y'all are very fortunateSame-sex marriage entering law this week in the UK, with the first marriages expected to take place in Summer 2014
eyeplaybass
Melon Lord
What it really comes down to in that case is the question of if homosexuality is a choice or not. I'll bet anything any one of the openly gay folk here will tell you they didn't make the choice. They are what they are. Same thing with being black; we're taking rights and judging for something people cannot change about themselves. And how can we judge someone for something they didn't choose and start throwing the word "sinner" around like it's harmless? If you're a true Christian, do what Jesus would have you do and leave the judging to God. Your job is to love your fellow man, to be an example of Christ on Earth.
Very well said, practice what you preach.
I do believe that it is a choice, because I have proof that is related to me. I do think that people could change it with the help of Christ. I don't think you can compare being black to being homosexual. That does not make sense to me at all. Being black is how one is born, and they can't help it. Being black is not a sin, as to where, being homosexual is. It says in the Bible, "Man shall not lay with another man as he does a women." And that means being homosexual is not allowed. Being black IS allowed. It simply does not compair. As I said before, I'm sorry if I sound rude, and I am not looking to get bashed, or have an argument.
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