LGBTQA - Discussion and support.

[Bambi]

I do believe that it is a choice, because I have proof that is related to me. I do think that people could change it with the help of Christ. I don't think you can compare being black to being homosexual. That does not make sense to me at all. Being black is how one is born, and they can't help it. Being black is not a sin, as to where, being homosexual is. It says in the Bible, "Man shall not lay with another man as he does a women." And that means being homosexual is not allowed. Being black IS allowed. It simply does not compair. As I said before, I'm sorry if I sound rude, and I am not looking to get bashed, or have an argument.

I was going to type up something long but honestly there is no point arguing with ignorance.

 

[Jas0n]

I was going to type up something long but honestly there is no point arguing with ignorance.

Mhmm I figured I could inspire some motivation to rethink opinions, but unfortunately the ignorance is too strong.

If a gay person commits suicide over me saying I don't agree with them than it's their problem.

I have no words :l

 

[Jinglefruit]

I do believe that it is a choice, because I have proof that is related to me. I do think that people could change it with the help of Christ. I don't think you can compare being black to being homosexual. That does not make sense to me at all. Being black is how one is born, and they can't help it. Being black is not a sin, as to where, being homosexual is. It says in the Bible, "Man shall not lay with another man as he does a women." And that means being homosexual is not allowed. Being black IS allowed. It simply does not compair. As I said before, I'm sorry if I sound rude, and I am not looking to get bashed, or have an argument.

I do now have to ask you when you chose to be Straight?
And surely if you chose to be straight that requires you to admit that you were inherently born bisexual/whatever else and chose later. And in that case I pity you for feeling you needed to reject an aspect of yourself due to social norms/religion.

EDIT: I'm not usually one to get into these debates, but I feel everyone who believes this needs to answer that.

 

[Stevey Queen]

Nowhere in the bible, old or new, does it say that being gay is a sin. I think you need to study your religion more closely.

Actually it does mention homosexuality in 1 Corinthians, which is in the New Testament. It's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. It says that homosexuals will not make it into heaven because it is a sin. I hate when people say it's not mentioned in the bible because it is. It's as clear as day, right there for anyone to see.

I'm gay and I don't even deny it's a sin. It all just comes down to whether or not you believe in the religion or not. I tried to be a Christian once but I couldn't stop being gay so I just stopped. So I don't really believe you can change your sexuality but I'm not against the idea. I just can't do it myself.

 

[Jas0n]

Actually it does mention homosexuality in 1 Corinthians, which is in the New Testament. It's 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. It says that homosexuals will not make it into heaven because it is a sin. I hate when people say it's not mentioned in the bible because it is. It's as clear as day, right there for anyone to see.

I'm gay and I don't even deny it's a sin. It all just comes down to whether or not you believe in the religion or not. I tried to be a Christian once but I couldn't stop being gay so I just stopped. So I don't really believe you can change your sexuality but I'm not against the idea. I just can't do it myself.

No, it is not in the bible. The verse you quoted is a mis-translation.

The verse you're referring to is often mis-translated as:
"Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,"

When the actual translation is:
"Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or are abusers of themselves with mankind"

The greek word that's mistranslated is "arsenokoitais", it's a very uncommon slang word. You need to take into consideration the context of the word used in the sentence. The sentence refers, in most translations, largely to prostitution, thievery and drunkards. Homosexuality makes no sense being thrown in with those, but the other translation(s) make much more sense.

 

[Gizmodo]

Oh god i dont even want to read through this thread, if there is any bigoted posts I'm completely supportive of any sexualities, and all those who are transgender.. i just find it so sad, that things such as sexuality still need to be debated and argued about, i just don't see the point :/ when will we move on and just accept everyone from who they are, and for sexuality to not be seen as such an important thing as it is, its really not that big of a deal imo

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And i just dont get the whole "choice" argument, why would anyone choose to be discriminated against in society willingly

 

[Jas0n]

Oh god i dont even want to read through this thread, if there is any bigoted posts I'm completely supportive of any sexualities, and all those who are transgender.. i just find it so sad, that things such as sexuality still need to be debated and argued about, i just don't see the point :/ when will we move on and just accept everyone from who they are, and for sexuality to not be seen as such an important thing as it is, its really not that big of a deal imo

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And i just dont get the whole "choice" argument, why would anyone choose to be discriminated against in society willingly

Hey, welcome to the thread! Please don't be scared off from the last few pages. The majority of the first 35 pages is nothing but support and discussion for the LGBT community.

 

[Gizmodo]

Hey, welcome to the thread! Please don't be scared off from the last few pages. The majority of the first 35 pages is nothing but support and discussion for the LGBT community.

Is there room for people who identify as Asexual in here

 

[RedNoverian]

Hey everyone.

I'm just going to ignore the religious stuff because it's honestly not worth arguing over. People are just going to continue to be bigoted while pretending to love our depraved souls.

Anyway, I identify as queer, but I've always had relationships with people of the same sex. I'm very delighted to see this thread as someone who just joined because I was not sure what kind of environment this forum contained.

 

[Stevey Queen]

No, it is not in the bible. The verse you quoted is a mis-translation.

The verse you're referring to is often mis-translated as:
"Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,"

When the actual translation is:
"Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or are abusers of themselves with mankind"

The greek word that's mistranslated is "arsenokoitais", it's a very uncommon slang word. You need to take into consideration the context of the word used in the sentence. The sentence refers, in most translations, largely to prostitution, thievery and drunkards. Homosexuality makes no sense being thrown in with those, but the other translation(s) make much more sense.

I don't get it so I'm not gonna continue this conversation. My bible says homosexuality and every other bible I've read says it too so that's just gonna have to be the way it is for now until someone other then a TBT member makes it clear to the world. It really doesn't even matter to me. I don't really care what the bible says anymore. I no longer have a religion.

 

[Jas0n]

I don't get it so I'm not gonna continue this conversation. My bible says homosexuality and every other bible I've read says it too so that's just gonna have to be the way it is for now until someone other then a TBT member makes it clear to the world. It really doesn't even matter to me. I don't really care what the bible says anymore. I no longer have a religion.

Feel free to google it. There are many scholars who translate it differently, and more correctly. There's a lot of information out there if you're willing to research.

 

[Sporge27]

I don't get it so I'm not gonna continue this conversation. My bible says homosexuality and every other bible I've read says it too so that's just gonna have to be the way it is for now until someone other then a TBT member makes it clear to the world. It really doesn't even matter to me. I don't really care what the bible says anymore. I no longer have a religion.

Well there is the thought it could have been mistranslated from the greek version, which is entirely posible, things tend to degrade over time as slang terms go in and out of use. I mean gay used to mean happy... I could see some scholars pointing to 50's Christmas songs in a thousand years assume it showed early support for the movement 50some years later... yeah. Also ancient aliens.

That being said even if it is a sin, so is regular sex, so is eating pork and shellfish, so is hitting anyone out of anger, so is a ton of things. I thought the whole point of Christianity was realizing everyone has sin and learning forgiveness for those sins.

That said I suppose I don't think it is wrong at all. I don't think a lot of things the bible says are wrong are. Anything that helps some people get by without hurting anyone should not be considered a bad thing. I love my guy and I really don't know what I would do without him at this point. If that is somehow wrong in the eyes of a god, that is no god of mine.

 

[Chris]

And i just dont get the whole "choice" argument, why would anyone choose to be discriminated against in society willingly

Actually many people do make choices that will give others reason to discriminate against them, knowing full well it will happen - but sexuality isn't a means used in doing so. x)


I feel like the religious debate has thrown off this thread's overall tone.

 

[Gizmodo]

Actually many people do make choices that will give others reason to discriminate against them, knowing full well it will happen - but sexuality isn't a means used in doing so. x)


I feel like the religious debate has thrown off this thread's overall tone.

From reading through the thread though, everyone else seems really supportive

 

[Jake]

i'm gay

 

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[oath2order]

Regular sex is okay as long as you're married I believe. There is a difference between living in sin and sinning and asking for forgiveness. If a person is alcoholic and asks for forgiveness each night, but then still drinks the next day, he probably won't go to heaven. As for the bolded part, we are. And I have been. I'm not going to say I agree with it, but I still love you as I would anyone else. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't have the right to, because they are not me.

Would you support same-sex marriage then?

 

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[bittermeat]

Can we please black away from all the religious debate?

 

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