Mafia Love Letter TBT MicroMafia (5 players)- DAY 1

[Philemon120]

I'm not focusing on townreads because there are none to be made on any solid reasoning right now. That was a 400 post game; this is a ~20 at most game. In my experience, it's far easier to find scummy play than town-ish play in the earlygame. And why would I provide a read on Dad? What about his actions is telling? Also, ninja.

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? Why would I deflect onto Unravel? At this stage, inactivity isn't a scumtell. I might be a little stingy with townreads, but I don't see why anyone is deserving of one right now. Oh, and why would I comment on the cardplay suggestions? If it makes sense, why mess with it?

 

[Dolby]

I'm not focusing on townreads because there are none to be made on any solid reasoning right now. That was a 400 post game; this is a ~20 at most game. In my experience, it's far easier to find scummy play than town-ish play in the earlygame. And why would I provide a read on Dad? What about his actions is telling? Also, ninja.

Uh, besides myself he's pretty much the only one who's provided solid content, and doesn't seem to be working to keep his options open.

And yes, I get that you're not focusing on townleans, I get that, it's an acceptable viewpoint. But the fact is, you should at least be attempting to acknowledge them if you have no suspicions. If you have no major suspicions maybe you could find one person who you is distinctly less suspicious than the others. Moreover, you're holding all players on even ground and haven't made any attempts to differentiate them from each other. Antonio and Unravel haven't either, but I don't really expect Antonio to in all honesty, and Unravel hasn't been online since 5 posts into the game

 

[Philemon120]

Providing solid content for one inactive day phase isn't town-lean-worthy, in my opinion. At the moment, I don't see a reason to suspect or trust any player. And this: "but I don't really expect Antonio to in all honesty" doesn't make much sense to me. Why, exactly?

 

[Dolby]

Providing solid content for one inactive day phase isn't town-lean-worthy, in my opinion. At the moment, I don't see a reason to suspect or trust any player. And this: "but I don't really expect Antonio to in all honesty" doesn't make much sense to me. Why, exactly?

Honestly he's kinda a weak player early game (no offense)

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@Dolby: Nobody's done anything telling, so there's no reason to sus anyone.
@Card use: I don't think there's much to say here. I hope it was worth it @whoever used it.

All your reads right now seem to be based almost entirely on meta, Dolby. Have any other reasoning behind them?

Ok, I'm going to have to point this out again. This is pretty much the same mindset that you displayed in Bianca's Aacho game where you provided not a single townread (this isn't a hyperbole, he actually didn't provide a TL the whole of that game) and pretty much bandwagoned on my Cleb mislynch and the ML I nearly lead on Vanessa. You're taking a passive role in this game and furthermore, are not even interested in providing townleans, which stands in direct contrast to your in-depth reads provided in Hunger Games upon replacement in evaluating people's actions and the inpacts of them

Philemon in Hunger Games (as town)

Hi I read up, and on the claims: Rune's claim will sort itself out over time, and I'm willing to believe Punchy if nobody CCs him D2. The votes: Antonio's No Lynch vote was... Interesting... Other than that, things progressed as I'd expect for a D1 lynch, with someone leading a vote(ILY in this case) and the majority bandwagoning onto that vote. I believe there is scum in Dolby, Farobi, and ILY, and if I absolutely had to kill one, I'd kill Farobi. Dolby's contributions, for the most part, have been solid, same for ILY, specific examples in the morning, with my reads. Those will be my focuses going into D2. As for why I don't consider Punchy and Rune, their claims are fairly concrete, although Punchy will jump onto my sus list if we see a CC going into D2. As for D1, meh... I feel it wasn't that great. Generally kinda unproductive and a PR claim D1, with a mislynch.

Don't shoot the surv siding with town, he's a vote and we need him. Just save your shot, ffs.

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Reads time!
Townlocks:
PunchydaHufflepuff-His claim is uncontested so far, so I'll leave him alone for now.

Townleans, in order:
Dolby-His play feels town-ish, but I've heard as scum he tends to act like a town leader, so I'll definitely be keeping an eye on him.
Amazonevan19-He makes solid points, and I’m just getting good town vibes from him.

Nulls:
iLoveYou-My most town-ish null, only listed as a null because of leading the Waffles lynch.
Ghostkid-I don't feel like there's enough content here to make much of a read, so he's null.
Curry-Like nothing to go off of here lol
Dedenne2-Once again, not enough to make a decent read imo.
Kammm-hhhh I want posts to make reads off of ;-;
Antonio-He confuses me, tbh. I can’t tell if he’s being dense or scummy most of the time.

Scumleans:
Calamitybot-I thought he was null before, but these recent posts are… wtf? His entire reads post, almost, rings alarm bells, and his reasoning for wanting Dolby lynched seems to be nonexistent.
Farobi-"Give a list of people you're going to inspect" Wtf? Why would Punchy do this, when there could be a framer? A lot of this is PoE, because I feel the rest of the Waffles wagon is town, but your play also feels very off, and I'm keeping an eye on you especially.
MapleSilver-He's barely posted, and a lot of it isn't really useful in the slightest. Seems like he's just trying to get out posts to seem useful to me.

Third Party:
Runraider-His claim is true or he'll be sorted out at LYLO, I'll believe him.

Again, this stands in direct contrast to his play in Aacho mafia, where he was mafia. During said game, he took on a very passive playstyle and never directly introduced anybody as a lynch candidate, and in retrospect, didn't actually provide reads, only blanket statements on his unsureness and excuses. Pretty similar to this game if you ask me

Philemon in Aacho

You have to try bc it's random lynch and if there's no good case in a few mins I'll have to vote and go inactive for a bit too, although I might be back before EoD, maybe

of: Nobody's said anything telling so far today and honestly I'll prob just vote Cleb like this bc suggesting random lynches seems really scummy
##VOTE: xCleb

Bandwagoning while distancing himself from lynch responsibility

Ayy lmao scumhunting is actually important now
So if everyone could just give me some really nice telling content that'd be great kthx

Hi 99% sure I'm going to be gone all day so placeholder vote and I'd say at the moment the lynch should be on toads, but tbh I have no real lynchworthy targets so I'll just put a placeholder on myself and call it at that. Oof
##VOTE: Philemon120

:thinking: My vote stands for now, I'd like more reasoning from Vanessa, and revealing Dolby's reasoning sorta destroys all of its scumhunting power so

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Though I suppose it has been reacted to by all the players, and I'm semi-confident ik who scum is, I'm leaving my vote where it is.

Tbf, this is less BWy than it appears as Vanessa was pretty much outted as not Immune (a point central to winning the game), but he didn't attempt any actual analysis should the lynch have been wrong, bandwagoning solely upon my own reasoning

This Philemon is very similar to Philemon in Aacho. No attempts at providing reads, focused more on providing suspicions because as scum it benifits him more. We saw the same behavior in Antonio last game. He's passive, commenting pretty much only whenever he's mentioned, doesn't attempt to clear players, and jumps on something once it has the support of a good amount of town players

##VOTE: Philemon

Ngl Dad, this is kinda targetted to you because Phile can vote Unravel now, and if Unravel doesn't come on and you don't switch she's lynched today. She's not a bad lynch, but I've found a clear target

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Also, Dad and myself are AT LEAST TRYING to solve the game should we be town. AND have definetely both provided readable content

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Praise be he's here

 

[Geoni]

Damnit Dolby why can't you post your cases before I start my workweek? I have to read hunger games and I don't really have the time to rn but you were saying earlier that Phil is only focusing on susses this game but I don't see where?

 

[Dolby]

Damnit Dolby why can't you post your cases before I start my workweek? I have to read hunger games and I don't really have the time to rn but you were saying earlier that Phil is only focusing on susses this game but I don't see where?

Well, you know how last game Antonio didn't say a word about townleans? It's pretty much Philemon is doing now and what he did in Aacho and what he's doing now. He has provided no reads, but his focus on providing susses rather than trying to narrow it down despite him not having any I feel is a freudian slip (like what Antonio did last game (also not sure if Freudian slip is the correct term)) because he doesn't what to townlean or clear people as scum because it reduces his options. This is exactly what he tried to do in Aacho and stands in direct contrast to Hunger Games where he had a half decent list of townleans and reads

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By his focus on providing susses I mean that in Aacho he was like "welp I have no susses, guess I'll random vote or go with the majority rather than narrow it down furthur" This game he has no susses but he has displayed no interest in narrowing down his options

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Also I spent half of yesterday working as a soccer ref and the other half vomiting and suffering the effects of heat exhaustion

 

[Geoni]

What day did Phil replace in Hunger Games Dolby? For the sake of blitzreading.

 

[Dolby]

What day did Phil replace in Hunger Games Dolby? For the sake of blitzreading.

During N1 iirc (towards the start of night phase), dead at the start of D2 due to Mafia Trapper

 

[Philemon120]

Any reads I provide at this point would be ****ty and useless. Putting out reads for the sake of having them is a very bad idea, because reads based on bad reasoning are, well, bad. Not explicitly mentioning I didn't believe anybody was town-lean-worthy at the time was my bad. And Dolby, I think you're comparing this to Hunger Games way too much. There was far more content to make reads off of, so it was much easier to make reads. Here, most of the posts so far have you v me or Dad's posts earlier. Looking over things again, I think you're rushing this quite a bit. I believe it was Night 1 or Night 2, btw @Dad.

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Any reads I provide at this point would be ****ty and useless. Putting out reads for the sake of having them is a very bad idea, because reads based on bad reasoning are, well, bad. Not explicitly mentioning I didn't believe anybody was town-lean-worthy at the time was my bad. And Dolby, I think you're comparing this to Hunger Games way too much. There was far more content to make reads off of, so it was much easier to make reads. Here, most of the posts so far have you v me or Dad's posts earlier. Looking over things again, I think you're rushing this quite a bit. I believe it was Night 1 or Night 2, btw @Dad.

 

[Antonio]

Ok, I am here and ready to post my opinions. Let me switch to my laptop but make a vote before I do.

##vote unravel

vote may change when I get back.

 

[Philemon120]

"Acknowledging that there is far less to make reads off of in comparison to when he replaced into Hunger Games mafia, he was been far less useful. He entered, replacing into a 400 post game and was able to provide solid reads and strategize on when to post them so that mafia couldn't use their knowledge of their actions."

So in a game that has a small fraction of the posts, I've been far less useful? Nobody had really been useful at this point either, with Dad being the only other player to make a somewhat-large post.

"1. Commented on my suggestions for card play or come up with stuff on his own relating to that"

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. What are you getting at here?

"I also would expect him to at least provide a read on Dad"

Based on? At that point, he had mostly asked me a few questions, with his only larger post being primarily PoE on who to vote.

You also mention Hunger Games and compare my play there to my play here a lot, especially considering every time you add a few words like "Again, recognizing that Hunger Games was a different situation" or "Acknowledging that there is far less to make reads off of in comparison to when he replaced into Hunger Games mafia". Why make so many comparisons to a game that you recognize to be a (much imo but not part of the quotes) different situation?

Once again, there's this quote: "Moreover, you're holding all players on even ground and haven't made any attempts to differentiate them from each other. Antonio and Unravel haven't either, but I don't really expect Antonio to in all honesty, and Unravel hasn't been online since 5 posts into the game" and then Dolby's response when I questioned him on his reasoning for giving Antonio a pass: "Honestly he's kinda a weak player early game (no offense)" Looks to me like he's trying to deflect the attention off himself, and continues pushing against me in his next post.

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Oh, missed a few words in the part on Antonio: Looks to me like he's trying to deflect the attention off himself with a response that seems to be entirely based on meta and continues pushing against me in his next post.

 

[Geoni]

##Unvote

 

[Dolby]

Any reads I provide at this point would be ****ty and useless. Putting out reads for the sake of having them is a very bad idea, because reads based on bad reasoning are, well, bad. Not explicitly mentioning I didn't believe anybody was town-lean-worthy at the time was my bad. And Dolby, I think you're comparing this to Hunger Games way too much. There was far more content to make reads off of, so it was much easier to make reads. Here, most of the posts so far have you v me or Dad's posts earlier. Looking over things again, I think you're rushing this quite a bit. I believe it was Night 1 or Night 2, btw @Dad.

****y reads>no reads at this point in time. We have TWO LYNCHES at most and ONE mislynch, reads are everything at this point when town has around a (1-(2/3 X 4/5)) 40% of winning. We don't exactly have the luxury of time that we did in other games, especially when we get only one ****-up. Again, granted that Hunger Games had far more content, your play and motivations strike me as very distinct from that and similar to Aachoo

Before I go more fully into Philemon's response I want to point out that he completely ignores that his play thus far is very similar to Aachoo and tries to use the different circumstances in Hunger Games as a means to exonerate himself. It doesn't work and it won't work

"Acknowledging that there is far less to make reads off of in comparison to when he replaced into Hunger Games mafia, he was been far less useful. He entered, replacing into a 400 post game and was able to provide solid reads and strategize on when to post them so that mafia couldn't use their knowledge of their actions."

So in a game that has a small fraction of the posts, I've been far less useful? Nobody had really been useful at this point either, with Dad being the only other player to make a somewhat-large post.

Not only have you been far less useful in general, you've been as useful as the one other time that you've been mafia on here. Not only that, but in the game that you replaced in You had far less time to provide content and you were able to provide far more of it. You haven't even made an attempt to analyze players, unlike in Hunger Games.

"I also would expect him to at least provide a read on Dad"

Based on? At that point, he had mostly asked me a few questions, with his only larger post being primarily PoE on who to vote.

Dad was the first and only player to provide reads and that in and of itself should be very telling as at that point in time he was the only one advancing the game. Moreover, his content was readable. If there was one player you should have had a read on it was him as you had interacted with him throughout the thread thus far and he had provided the most content, and moreover that content was telling. Instead of saying that said content was good or bad, you say that nobody has done anything such, which further demonstrates your reluctance to help clear anybody and your want to drive a mislynch. Dad had telling content, I had a read on him based on in-thread material, so should have you

You also mention Hunger Games and compare my play there to my play here a lot, especially considering every time you add a few words like "Again, recognizing that Hunger Games was a different situation" or "Acknowledging that there is far less to make reads off of in comparison to when he replaced into Hunger Games mafia". Why make so many comparisons to a game that you recognize to be a (much imo but not part of the quotes) different situation?

That's your only town game on here and I'll use it as much as I goddamn please to make comparisons. If you want to dispute that you act differently as town than you did there, or that you act as town similar to how you're acting now, you better provide the evidence for that claim

"Honestly he's kinda a weak player early game (no offense)" Looks to me like he's trying to deflect the attention off himself, and continues pushing against me in his next post.

Yeah, I'm holding him to a different standard than you and preemptively blocking any survival accusations against the two of them. Fact as, they are the two weakest players here, so they're held to a different standard, and I don't want you to make this lynch over the content produced, because then it will go on Unravel.

Also, how the **** am I deflecting attention from myself. If I didn't want attention on me, I wouldn't be acting in any way similar to how I'm acting now

Philemon, you sus me? Then put your money where your mouth is and vote for me

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Ok, I am here and ready to post my opinions. Let me switch to my laptop but make a vote before I do.

##vote unravel

vote may change when I get back.

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Meh

 

[Geoni]

So I have skimmed both Aachoo and Hunger Games and Phil was a lot more active in both than he was in this game and he was active as both alignments and so on a meta level, the level of activity is NAI. And there indeed hasn't been much to go off for Phil in this game compared to the others and I do like how he is now developing a sus on Dolby that while could be seen as omgus but it seems like more than that because Phil is basically pointing out here that Dolby is not expressing openness in his read of Phil and while I find that agreeable I also think he is coming to the same conclusion about Antonio throigh a somewhat different read than me.

Unless you already answered it as I type this, Dolby, I would like to see you address what Ohil is bringing up with you here.

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Big fat ninja. Big fat agressive ninja.

 

[Dolby]

So I have skimmed both Aachoo and Hunger Games and Phil was a lot more active in both than he was in this game and he was active as both alignments and so on a meta level, the level of activity is NAI. And there indeed hasn't been much to go off for Phil in this game compared to the others and I do like how he is now developing a sus on Dolby that while could be seen as omgus but it seems like more than that because Phil is basically pointing out here that Dolby is not expressing openness in his read of Phil and while I find that agreeable I also think he is coming to the same conclusion about Antonio throigh a somewhat different read than me.

Unless you already answered it as I type this, Dolby, I would like to see you address what Ohil is bringing up with you here.

LMAO

But also

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME

Philemon did not provide a single read on anybody in Aacho and his posts were far less substantial than in Hunger. He has actively sought to not provide reads this game. Look at the reads he provided in Hunger Games (intentionally waiting until end of Night). Look at the reads he made in Aacho, oh wait, he didn't make any

Also, level of activity, Phil made 17 more substantial posts per 24 hour period in Hunger Games, he made 7 less substantial ones in Aacho. He made distinctly fewer posts with less substance

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This is like when Evan scumread a person who hadn't posted 8 hours into day in FNAF I called him out on it, nobody scumread him for it, tried to hold multiple people hostage during EOD, didn't get him lynched, and they didn't realize until much later

 

[Antonio]

Alrighty, I am back. I have a few questions before I begin....

1) If one uses a card, they don't get a new card till beginning of next shift or end of current shift? Right?
2) Compared to claiming a blue role, why shouldn't I state my card?
3) All cards used during night shift is effective immediately during that shift or at the beginning of next shift?

Besides those questions, here are my reads.

1) Unravel - Where are you, lol? You made one cheesey joke and now you disappeared. I don't see it as suspicious but if you aren't here to play the game, why be here at all. I hope you come back soon but I would rather just wait and see if you get modkilled. I just think you are busy imo. null

2) Philip - I agree with you. It's early into the game and I'm not 100% sure what to do. Instead of defending yourself, why don't you share your reads. Besides that one thing, I agree that it's early in the game and there isn't "much" to work with. If you can't work with what you got, at least state what you got at the moment. Provide something. scum lean


3) Dad - I'm not sure, I can't read you really. You have always confused me with your gameplay. To be honest though, your gameplay from last game feels familiar to this one but like I said, you freakin confuse me. I can't distinguish your alignment through your text. null

4) Dolby - I don't like what you are doing. It's coming off well...scummy. I agree with phil that it's too early too come up (even though he should atleast share some thoughts) with something legit however, I feel like you are just go after phil in general, like targeting. They way you are comparing him to past game, I just wonder if people go on and say "I'll play just like I did in this previous game awhile back". I get why you are comparing him from past games but I just don't understand this certain comparison.

This Philemon is very similar to Philemon in Aacho. No attempts at providing reads, focused more on providing suspicions because as scum it benifits him more. We saw the same behavior in Antonio last game. He's passive, commenting pretty much only whenever he's mentioned, doesn't attempt to clear players, and jumps on something once it has the support of a good amount of town players

You also said Antonio's last game (which was the fuchsia game). Last time I checked, both you (dolby) and maple were mafia. If he was doing the same thing in a game where he wasn't mafia, wouldn't that make you susing him for those reasons obsolete? I just think that's phil normal gameplay.

Besides the things stated, I feel like you have an agenda that isn't trying to find mafia but trying to get rid of us one by one. scum lean

Sorry if this took me awhile to vote, I have been multitaskng. Everything appears everywhere and my head has been spinning for some reasons.

##vote dolby

 

[Geoni]

Also Dolby why are you acting like we have a mislynch here? If we have mafia killing someone and someone screws up with Baron that kills someone outside maf kill then it is game over. Or mafia has baron and uses it correctly. That would be OP but shouldn't be ruled out.

 

[Antonio]

awhile to write*

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ahh, it didn't merge xD

 

[Geoni]

Antonio where are you coming to the conclusion that Dolby is trying to pick us off one by one rather than scumhunting here?

 

[Dolby]

Antonio, the last time that you were scum was Korean War (I was refering to the last one you played). During said game, you provided far more scumleans than any reads towards people being town. Despite you have only scumleans and nulls, your reads are well reasoned and have content behind them, so it reflects well on you. Still though, you're misinterpreting me on that specific point

Also Dolby why are you acting like we have a mislynch here? If we have mafia killing someone and someone screws up with Baron that kills someone outside maf kill then it is game over. Or mafia has baron and uses it correctly. That would be OP but shouldn't be ruled out.

I will ****ing succeed despite the rest of you. Look at his play. He's only posting now because I'm holding his feet to the fire. He's providing no reads and the only reason that he's going after me now is because he feels threatened. Before then he was delibrately avoiding posting reads by his own admission, and just waitting to see wear the majority went with full intent to follow. Is Waffles a mislynch? Honestly, she probably is, simply because I am extremely confident in Phil being scum

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2) Philip - Instead of defending yourself, why don't you share your reads.

Very important point I feel

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Also, gotta say, love the tag