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oh my god

Okay, firstly. Why am I not posting? Because it's so f***ing hard to scumread. You're all going off meta. This is literally my first main game. I know basically, what, 3 of you? It's really hard to keep track too. What else would you like me to post? memes? Now I know why I stuck to newbie games. I am reading. I am looking. I am not avoiding the thread. Earlier, at 3am my time. I was asleep. Then I was at school. Now I'm home, and getting stuff thrown at me bc I post some stuff on other parts of the forum. I have a life outside mafia.

Point two. I want to vote for either Alexi or Aron bc they've both been flipflopping around, and going by my last game that's pretty sus. Aron pleading to be spared until day 4 sounds really weird to me too. But I'm going to vote for Alexi for now, and may change if Aron does something or something else happens.

Kinda curious about Xine's views on me. Since everyone seems so convinced that she's townie after hitting scum. Did everyone forget about third party?

Just saying, not everyone is going off metas. This is clam, Kevvvvin, and my first game (even is kevin was removed). You do not have to be so aggresive in asking why people have some assumptions of you as you are not posting and that can mean you may be a scum coasting through, nor do you have to say that all you can only post is memes, we would love a read set or some awnsers on questions people have left for you. And most third party can be delt with after mafia, not sk, sk is an active hunt but I honestly doubt that Xine is our sk.

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Just a quick reads list from me, I am at school but I finished all my work in Digi Photo, but I am not supposed to use the computers like this, so if anyone wants some elaborations I will try my best to give some.

1. Heyden
3. Alexi
4. Tardis2016
5. Panda1376
6. Sarasakat- confirmed doc through Xine
7. Xine
8. Crys
9. Toadsworthy
10. ClamEatsCurry
11. Ness
13. M3ow_
15. Ayaya
17. Taesaek
18. Aronthaer- just for the double doc claim and how he is not confirmed as doc
19. Tina
20. Qwerty111
22. Mother of all Llamas
23. Lucanosa

Red is main sus
Orange slightly sus
yellow- posting but not sure how to feel
grey- not posting enough and I don't know how to feel
light green- town lean
green- town
 
I think for me, I'm seeing Heyden as just a scummy person right now not necessarily a scummy mafia though (does that make sense?)... he is feigning disinterest, acting rude, calling out PRs and then yelling at people for claiming, so he's saying all this wonky stuff all the time to like keep himself entertained. I don't think he is caring enough to play "correctly". yeah its annoying, but I genuinely think he is trying to play outside his meta and be different for the lolz.

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yeah he is acting scummy ( I am still sus of him), but its not hitting as genuinely hence why I don't want to vote him right now.

honestly this.

tbh I don't see anything that deviates from how he normally plays. When I've seen Hayden as scum he was a lot more careful with the words he says but whenever he's town he just literally says whatever comes to his mind first. I'm not disagreeing that the things that he's saying aren't kinda scummy, I think it's more that when he's maf he just knows to try harder if that makes sense.

I think if you read his posts really carefully you can see he's trying to get a certain message across as well.

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ummm did Hayden just hit majority?

Hayden I think you should just claim now.
 
I think it's at 4 Heyden votes, and if my math was right, it takes 9 to maj.

While I'm thinking of it, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAMMER/BE THE ONE TO VOTE THAT WILL LOCK IN ANY LYNCH, YOU NEED TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE INTENTION TO HAMMER IN THREAD BEFOREHAND, AND IF YOU DON'T, I WILL PUSH YOU UNTIL ONE OF US IS DEAD.

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Yeah its 10 to maj

@meow Were you counting Heyden's and Alexi's votes as being against the same person? Or what happened there lol

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I think it's at 4 Heyden votes, and if my math was right, it takes 9 to maj.

While I'm thinking of it, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAMMER/BE THE ONE TO VOTE THAT WILL LOCK IN ANY LYNCH, YOU NEED TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE INTENTION TO HAMMER IN THREAD BEFOREHAND, AND IF YOU DON'T, I WILL PUSH YOU UNTIL ONE OF US IS DEAD.

wouldn't it be 10 for man? theres 19 of us left
 
I think it's at 4 Heyden votes, and if my math was right, it takes 9 to maj.

While I'm thinking of it, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAMMER/BE THE ONE TO VOTE THAT WILL LOCK IN ANY LYNCH, YOU NEED TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE INTENTION TO HAMMER IN THREAD BEFOREHAND, AND IF YOU DON'T, I WILL PUSH YOU UNTIL ONE OF US IS DEAD.

wouldn't it be 10 for man? theres 19 of us left
 
I think it's at 4 Heyden votes, and if my math was right, it takes 9 to maj.

While I'm thinking of it, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAMMER/BE THE ONE TO VOTE THAT WILL LOCK IN ANY LYNCH, YOU NEED TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE INTENTION TO HAMMER IN THREAD BEFOREHAND, AND IF YOU DON'T, I WILL PUSH YOU UNTIL ONE OF US IS DEAD.

@Sarasakat, haha i was thinking the same thing... for those of you who don't know, what she means is that the voting also works of majority right now so if a person is near majority in the case of today there is 19 of us left so half would be 9.5 so im assuming majority would be 10 votes? but just to be safe if you are going to be the 8th-9th voter on someone, please come in here first and announce to the rest of us that you plan to 'hammer' (place the last vote), it gives the person up for vote a chance to clear their name, whether its through claiming, or revealing some information that might clear them... give the person a chance so that we can learn as much as possibly to aid us in the future of the game. (yes you might have to go and calculate the votes yourself in the voting thread, please people stop being lazy, we need everyone to help to win this.)
 
I think it's at 4 Heyden votes, and if my math was right, it takes 9 to maj.

While I'm thinking of it, IF YOU ARE GONNA HAMMER/BE THE ONE TO VOTE THAT WILL LOCK IN ANY LYNCH, YOU NEED TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE INTENTION TO HAMMER IN THREAD BEFOREHAND, AND IF YOU DON'T, I WILL PUSH YOU UNTIL ONE OF US IS DEAD.

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Yeah its 10 to maj

@meow Were you counting Heyden's and Alexi's votes as being against the same person? Or what happened there lol

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holy **** i died laughing glitches r us

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oh and @panda, thank you for explaining that. i had no idea what # it would take for majority.
 
k well everyone is defending the inactives but I?m not in favor of having people in this game that don?t contribute to anything, and I?d rather keep Alexi/Hayden although I?m not the MOST confident about Alexi at least we can read her because she posts frequently.

hi guys, sorry I haven't been on. the joy of compulsory education got in the way.

Anyway, nobody really seems that sus to me? Tardis seems legitimately confused after this whole drama. (if you are going to ask someone politely to stop pming you i'd probably pm them or just not respond and wait for them to check the qt instead of just saying it in the thread :I) But I guess that's all the leads we have. Honey seems like they really wanted tardis dead. Don't exe's do that? Just a thought I guess. I'm gonna go look at the pages again.

not sure if ur just new or ur in a scum QT so u don?t realize out of thread communication about the game isn?t allowed :/

Alright I'm gonna actually attempt at some reading so here goes (warning the last time I played properly (eg without dying first day) was like 2014/15 so have mercy)

Alexi
Acted virtually the same in newbie so I think town

Tardis2016
either generally confused, or "has a qt".

Panda1376
active but they seem to just rub me off the wrong way. idk tho.

Sarasakat
active + scumhunting so I think town

Crys
Kinda waiting on their post, but they seem pretty chill.

Toadsworthy
A tiny (tiny) bit more reserved than last time. but may just not have anything to go on or is busy. i think town though.

Ness
Doesn't seem sus to me? Yeah he disappeered rather suspiciously after being called out

M3ow_
Making some valid points, but idk they rub me off the wrong way I might just hate confident people gdi

Inkling
Still quiet as heck, even after newbie, where they were not maf (blue role I think?) so I think town for now.

Cory
not putting much effort into this, but i suppose they're not suspicious.

Taesaek
Seems consistent with newbie mafia, so i think town.

Aronthaer
I really don't think they're sus, but roleclaiming was a pretty stupid move. So I'm assuming mafia will just take care of them. They do seem town though.

Qwerty111
it me

Mother of all llamas
was quite quiet in newbie, bit like inkling, and was town, so for now I think they are pretty consistent.

help pls cannot scumhunt for anything, I'm kinda just using past games and obvious stuff. i suck.

mk so this is what really throws me off the most. first and foremost note that Daniel is left out of this list, and Daniel was posting more than Llamas was at the time so inb4 ?inactivity so I had no reads?. Also Qwerty read inkling who was also less active than Daniel I?m pretty sure.

the reads that really are off-putting are these:

Alexi- This is Qwerty?s first mention of Alexi and she townreads her. and now Alexi is the most suspicious to her because she?s flip flopping? lol but what are you doing? I?m almost positive that Qwerty just noticed that Crys and others find Alexi suspicious because of my read on her D1, and are sheeping that considering that

Panda- I mean it?s fine to have a gut feeling about someone, but if you can just give 1 or 2 quotes that gave you that gut feeling then that makes a WORLD of difference when it comes to your reads. Panda hasn?t said or done anything that makes me sus of them and I think the majority of us have townread her all along so you really need to be more specific with your reasoning otherwise it just looks like you?re saying this about everyone.

I mean Sarasa and Panda were both active and scum hunting, so whats the difference? why did you townread Sarasa but not Panda?

Ness- ok you say he?s not sus but then you said he disappeared rather suspiciously so this doesn?t make sense. yet you call Alexi flip floppy, I mean Alexi was showing her reasoning for why she thinks this then why she changed her mind, but you just changed your mind in the middle of a sentence and it?s called fence sitting. which is inherently not scummy but it?s hypocritical that you called Alexi the scummiest one here when you?re doing the same thing????

Inkling- that?s not a fair assessment considering that was a Nub game, there was only 38 pages and 9 people in the game. This game is over twice that size and we went through over 100 pages in D1 ALONE. if you?re gonna mention meta at least use a game that works in comparison. In Tarot mafia Inkling was one of the top 5 posters with 140+ posts and Tina replaced her like d2 lol.

Cory- yeah that?s straight up just contradicting.
> Cory ?not putting in effort? = town
>Alexi putting in effort and changing her mind = scum

k ur rly inconsistent

about that last part, I think the more you play the easier it gets because obviously you?ll be more familiar with people but it?s not impossible to scumhunt without using any meta at all. but if you do wanna use meta, you can check out the TBT wiki b/c it?s really helpful if you?re unfamiliar.
basically just notice inconsistencies, notice people making statements w/ logic/evidence and people arguing with statements without it. notice people defending or attacking certain people and see if they apply the same criticism evenly or if there?s a subtle bias. that?s all I can think of off the top of my head, but if I think of more then I?ll make a reply to you in the critique thread.


How about you post something useful for once tho.

push on Aron- but I thought you townread him and said that he?s not suspicious??

and then NOTHING for two days, until today. 0 reaction about inkling, 0 reaction about anything that happened during night. but reads the thread and has been following along this whole time yet you can't find anything to say for two days??

but Qwerty was posting elsewhere so ye not like they?re not able to get to a computer u kno. I mean it'd be a different story if they weren't posting elsewhere at all.

oh my god

Okay, firstly. Why am I not posting? Because it's so f***ing hard to scumread. You're all going off meta. This is literally my first main game. I know basically, what, 3 of you? It's really hard to keep track too. What else would you like me to post? memes? Now I know why I stuck to newbie games. I am reading. I am looking. I am not avoiding the thread. Earlier, at 3am my time. I was asleep. Then I was at school. Now I'm home, and getting stuff thrown at me bc I post some stuff on other parts of the forum. I have a life outside mafia.

Point two. I want to vote for either Alexi or Aron bc they've both been flipflopping around, and going by my last game that's pretty sus. Aron pleading to be spared until day 4 sounds really weird to me too. But I'm going to vote for Alexi for now, and may change if Aron does something or something else happens.

Kinda curious about Xine's views on me. Since everyone seems so convinced that she's townie after hitting scum. Did everyone forget about third party?

like I said and others have pointed out, not EVERYONE is going off of meta so soz u can't really excuse urself there

that sentence about memes is just straight up over defensive- in fact this entire paragraph is. why are you getting so riled up? I mean it?s not like you?re the only one that?s new here. IIRC it?s Cadberry?s first game- and they also mentioned that it was difficult to scumhunt? but they still post frequently. just because you?re new doesn?t mean it?s better just to say nothing. even a general thoughts post is better than nothing. we all have lives outside mafia, you don?t need to list off everything i mean we believe you, but that?s not really the point here.

I asked what exactly you meant by flip-flopping because I want to know if you?re just sheeping my D1 case on Alexi or if you have your own reasoning for this. like that last paragraph is SO wishy-washy i just can't.

if you think changing your opinions is sus then you?re being hypocritical because you?re doing the same things- you townread Alexi and Aron but now you?re changing your mind. isn?t that flip-flopping? At least Alexi actually shows her train of thought and answers when she is asked WHY she believes these things. it just seems like you saw a few others vote for her, knew you had to vote or you?ll be modkilled, and sent in your vote.

I'm not voting for you because you said something about me. I don't vote for defense. I've voted for you because I think you're scum??? Isn't this a no brainer?

but WHY pls explain? pls???
like the last paragraph in your previous quote basically said that you don't have your own read on Alexi and that you'd change if something else happened. but if you genuinely think Alexi is scum then why would you unvote?? it's really obvious to me that you don't really have a solid opinion on who's being lynched here, you just needed to come back in time before being modkilled.

so yeeeah this is why I'm voting Qwerty and I don't think I'm changing my mind.

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*dies inside because i just posted my qwerty case and now it's not showing up*

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o LAWD what happened where did it go why is nothing posting whywhywhwywhywwhyrwy
 
I love how everyone just sheeps from Alexi to me, I only have 2 hours before I leave + I'll be busy getting ready cos it's first day back to school so I can't probs make any reads. Can I just claim looks like I'm being lynched and I can't make the last 6 hours bc my data doesn't recharge until the 4th
 
I love how everyone just sheeps from Alexi to me, I only have 2 hours before I leave + I'll be busy getting ready cos it's first day back to school so I can't probs make any reads. Can I just claim looks like I'm being lynched and I can't make the last 6 hours bc my data doesn't recharge until the 4th

Just quoting to help toad.
Still on a shoot, I'll have more to post when I get home.
 
@m3ow_ while I do agree with all of those points, in your previous post here-

honestly this.

tbh I don't see anything that deviates from how he normally plays. When I've seen Hayden as scum he was a lot more careful with the words he says but whenever he's town he just literally says whatever comes to his mind first. I'm not disagreeing that the things that he's saying aren't kinda scummy, I think it's more that when he's maf he just knows to try harder if that makes sense.

I think if you read his posts really carefully you can see he's trying to get a certain message across as well.

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ummm did Hayden just hit majority?

Hayden I think you should just claim now.


Sorry if I'm being redundant, but do you really think heyden is playing like he does when he's town? i know you most definitely know his meta more than I do, but he was so much more serious in BoI and Tarot where he was town. Do you really think he's acting this way while still playing in favor towards town? To me it just doesn't add up.

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meh I asked the same question twice, but you get the point.

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@Tardis are you avoiding this thread?
 
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Guys stop with the role claiming. Most if not all were completely unnecessary. The only person who should have been role claiming is the vigilante if they (a) shot last night and (b) don't have any bullets left. But even if that is the case, the vig has now been put into a position where exposing themselves may just do more harm than good.

Night One


Considering that this is a 23-player game, it's safe to assume 4-5 mafia. Even with inkling (gj Xine) dying day one, depending on how KP is determined it could have meant they had 3 shots if they still had four people left. The reason for that being that in a number of TBT mafia games the godfather counts for one KP by themselves. So 1 + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0.5 = 2.5 (rounded up to 3). I think this may outdated as I don't play much anymore, but Dolby's been around since the beginning so if anyone were to include it it would be him. If we have a blue-heavy team it would be a way of balancing the game at least - as it's already been shown through two goon deaths that they aren't PR-heavy. So probably godfather and role blocker left or if three members toss a framer, mafia doc, or second role blocker in there too.

Think it's safe to assume we have an SK from our game objectives. So that accounts for 1/4. Assuming there really is four. I'm not 100% sold on the Sarasa/Xine just yet. But if it's true I'll see it in my own in time, so don't feel the need to waste time trying to persuade me.




The forum is being a pest and I'm not really able to read, so I'm doing this mostly from memory and on a single-read of the posts. I may mess up names.

Heyden - or whoever it is that keeps asking about soft claims and 'outed' Sarasa. A town player wouldn't keep opening their mouth and helping the mafia/SK like this. They'd just keep it in mind.

Ness - leaning toward town. Call it gut. I don't know how to really describe it without being able to go get quotes.

Tardis - I think this is the person who claimed Sean something? I'm leaning toward thinking they're town.

taesaek - totally believe Dolby would put in a role like cheese grater. What that means right now I've no clue.

Alexi - I knew she was town in Tarot, but something feels off about her posting this game.

Lucanosa - Dolby banned their predecessor for playing against their win condition. They basically outed themselves as scum and tried to take Toad down with them. They also hinted at Tardis & shiida being scum - although shiida flipped town and I believe Tardis is town too. Although a troll I still feel we should be wary of this.


FINALLY AFTER 30 MINUTES OF REFRESHING IT IS LETTING ME VIEW THE FORUM.

But my motivation is dead in the ground. So I'm stopping here to find something more relaxing to do for a bit.
 
I told ya'll used up vig should've outed smh. I was just annoyed that people were suspicous of Aronthaer and some people even wanted to push him for a lynch. Yeah, I agree I've been acting scummy and all but it's just like that and I can't really fight it because I don't have the time and I won't be here for the last 6 hours of deadline.

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Crys, Tardis and Tae claimed out of nowhere, wasn't my fault. Aron claimed doc out of panic and Sarasa confirmed herself as blue by saying she saved Xine.
 
How would the vigilante not out I themselves do harm now? What's done is done if they shot? They could be waiting for a good time or not want to get suspicions put upon....

People aren't going to think a vig is scum because they claimed late? And with all the claiming and people yelling about claims, I don't blame them for staying quiet.
 
How would the vigilante not out I themselves do harm now? What's done is done if they shot? They could be waiting for a good time or not want to get suspicions put upon....

People aren't going to think a vig is scum because they claimed late? And with all the claiming and people yelling about claims, I don't blame them for staying quiet.

because it narrows down who's left with possible PR's.
 
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