Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[BetsySundrop]

The only thing that makes me ??? is Shawo placing a Sidney vote a couple of mins after this.

Do y'all make anything of this?

I dunno if you saw it in my previous post of my post-claim views, but to me it made sidney more likely town. I just can't see a maf team bussing from the very start, esp a newer player, esp when there's no reason to.

From start of d2. Sidney here basically removed all responsibility from betsy+tae if we assume she knew Shawo was maf? If this isn't an anti-maf move then it's a bus but like...?

I don't think this was sidneys reads? She had me sussed bcuz possible team with shawo I believe.

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I could be wrong, but it just doesn't seem like a good maf play to throw the partner out to be sussed by town on the first day? So I'm not thinking it's sidney.

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@Sheep Villager what do you think of my reasoning on tae now?

I thought because
- shawo was willing to flip the vote to tae at eod
- they were fairly opposite in opinions the whole d1
- tae sussed shawo some d1

All of these indicated to me that it wouldn't be a tae/shawo team? I am trying to keep things simpler, not overthink things....

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Ha! I figured out the "last edited a moment ago" tag. I posted. Took time to mobile type my next question to sheep, hit reply, then when it automerged it picked up the "last edited a moment ago" tag.

So that post wasn't edited, it just automerged, and this might explain why so many have the last edited tag.

 

[Totally_RandomYT]

I honestly dont know if you're just confused newbie town or not cause this is rlly scummy lol. town wants to solve the game even if it means getting voted off

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also i'm home finally so I'll catch up, finish up my iso's (which is both d1 and 2) and then figure out what else i feel i need to say

Mostly newbie but besides that I’m not saying that I’m trying to stay in, I’m saying that I feel like people are voting for other people first

 

[Sidney]

I’ll respond later tonight; busy with some things

 

[tessa grace]

First things first @Sidney I don’t think you’re Shawo’s partner. I teased that for a second and it was mostly a joke that I added on to but looking back at your interactions there are instances where you challenge his words, or behavior, and I feel like there’s no way those can all be manufactured. Or it would just take a lot of good acting on both your parts. Glad my gut confirmed at least one of you in that duo, though haha.

Okay on to my final iso-

Totally_RandomYT:

Listen, this read is going to be entirely why I think the mafia duo is shawo/random. I’m not going to do a full on pros and cons list because I’m strongly suspicious of Random right now and candidly I don’t think there’s enough posts coming from him. Barely two pages compared to the 4 or 5 we’ve seen from others, and I haven’t really liked any of them enough to make a strong opinion in his case. (also i’m bringing up the ‘got it’ again but I feel like it’s important)

IM HERE TO EXPLAIN!!!



I’m kinda new to forum mafia, and I sorta forgot to check in yesterday, since my family was at my house. So sorry for being sus ig.



So basically, the first message I sent, (The “Got it”) was me being late and saying that to the game starting idrk why I sent it. (I don’t know why I said it) and the second (the one about it being quiet) was me not LOOKING AT HOW MANY PAGES THERE WERE lol. Made me laugh after I read this and how much you guys were confused by me. @shawo is kinda suspicious to me (when I’m writing this part, I’m only at page 14) due to how he reacts to my 2 responses.



(@tae, thx for the tip (maybe like, play more idk homie. ))



I meant to say, as well, thanks for the subtle tips, such as playing more. I keep laughing at what you guys keep saying about me its kinda funny to see the theories that keep popping up and how yall explain it. I’ll answer any more questions that yall have if yall need me to.



Ok after reading more, I’m less suspicious of Shawo, which in turn makes me more suspicious of him. Here’s reasoning. From what you all said abt me, I think that he might have been being coached. See, at the beginning, it was short answers, and less frequent ones too. (ie, the “town” and “Maf” posts) and now they post more frequently and with more to post. Just keep that in mind.



And also, if I’m not active during the 7am-3:45pm range (CST) its just cuz im in school.



(me reading Shawto’s post - Hey guys. Funny theory. What if Random was responding to Daniel's mod PM asking for them to be more active in the thread. Doesn't that offer a perfect explanation for the Got It without making them explicitly mafia?) like I said before, it was just a post that I made saying that I saw the game starting.



Final thoughts.

1 sorry im inactive. I couldn’t get on much and it sucked getting back on.

2. I am a small bit sus of shawo

3. I need to laugh less at people saying theories abt me lol.



ALSO I will not be online from 6:30-8ish CST I have to play for my school’s drumline, so…



Anyways all that to say I wrote this at like 2:30 something CST and have had this on a word document for a few hours if ur reading this at 6 EST sooo

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well I'm here now, hope that helps ig

Yesterday my immediate thought of this post was “yay substantial stuff from random excited to get another read” but then no other posts were like this, at all. This whole post with the explanations, reading, and thoughts feels WILDLY different from every other thing that Random has shared with us. On it’s own, this post is fine, but, looking back at day 1, here was one of the things Shawo was saying:

Hey guys. Funny theory. What if Random was responding to Daniel's mod PM asking for them to be more active in the thread. Doesn't that offer a perfect explanation for the Got It without making them explicitly mafia?

Basically directly defending it.
I can’t find the other quote that I noticed, and it might have been deleted, but shawo also mentioned that they gave around 3 reasons refuting the random theory. That also looks fine on its own.

Then there’s this:

also feels like town but seems quiet, or I may have just missed a lot idk, I just haven't seen her talk much.

Tae - kinda quiet now, I don’t think I’ve seen them d2 although I may have missed them.

Multiple times Random explained some reads and stuff by saying he “must of missed some things” and stuff, but what I don’t understand is in his biggest post, the “got it” explantation, that whole discussion about that post happened around the same times Tae and I were posting enough substance to get reasonable reads from him. It feels like Random didn’t really read the thread based off of his reads on everyone, but also he read the thread because he must’ve seen the “got it” discussion? Minus that one post, there's been little to no mention or reads back from day 1 and that doesn’t add up.

Adding all of these together, his completely different post than usual addressing a part of the thread that feels like Random also didn’t entirely read, with Shawo’s defense of Random and unreasonable townread on him in posts like this one for example,

Tbh TotallyRandom might actually be town.

Make me think that Random was coached into that explanation by Shawo.

once again I’m still kinda sus of shawo

Random had also placed a suspicion on Shawo without anything to back it up (and there is things to back it up but from his pov it was more of a gut read/no reasoning) and I believe this was used to make him seem town and place a distance between the two.

right now I feel like i'm not getting voted out d2 (definitely.) and that I really don't know what else to say.

I am an easy target and if I die, its easy to show. I don't think anyone will vote me, just since nobody knows too much abt me.

Finally, there were a lot of scummy “any questions to prove i’m town” type posts from Random and “good I’m not being voted off” which isn’t a town perspective at ALL.

This is kind of brain mush but I hope you guys see what I’m trying to get across, all of these reasons and evidence combined just don’t come together consistently or add up in a towny way.

So yeah my read on random is mafia if you can't tell lol

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I'm gonna be done with a lot of "big" posts for a while cause I feel like I've contributed my fair share and also I've read so much into this game that I'm struggling to find more to look at. Looking more to interact with the rest of the players, listen to all of your isos/reads/theories, and provide commentary and questions.

 

[Sheep Villager]

I'm gonna drop my final post for the night, as I've hit my limit and I need to rest. (Betsy I see you pinged me, hopefully this answers anything at all.)

My reads on the team dynamics as of now.

Don't think it's one of these: Tessa

Tessa has to be the bus of the century or it's just Shawo trying to off widely tr'd people to push for a newbie central d3. I'm too tired right now to play the bus olympics mental gymnastics so I'm keeping this simple.

Don't think it's one of these, but like, smaller vibes, ya feel?: Tae, Sidney

I'm not seeing any shift in agenda in the posts that were posted prior to my cop claim compared to the note Tae ended d1 on. The decline from semi tr Shawo to not liking Shawo is either really good theatre or genuine and at this point I lean more towards genuine.


Sidney feels like she's been anti-shawo in various ways at this point. She's not been afraid to talk about shawo, sus him + generally seems to have had opposing views. Also this is a vibe check but the floundering around seems very town to me, like there just isn't any insider knowledge there.

Probably not ????: Betsy

Betsy is my personal meta demon still. I feel it in my soul that this cannot be a wolf!betsy, but how much of that is me still relying just on vibes. Need to think about it. Need to look more in to it.

Most likely: Random

From the second d2 started and I got my det result I've gotten just unfathomable 'outsider looking in' vibes from Random and I can't shake this feeling. None of the responses I've gotten from them have helped alleviate this. Shawos behavior around this slot also doesn't exactly set my mind at ease. I will note there is still some plausible deniability in this being newbie behavior, but I'm struggling to rely on that right now.

I think tomorrow I will do some final checks but mainly focus on prodding anything I can think to prod about.

... and probably fistfight Shawo. Somehow doubt the snake is gonna just sit this one out.

Anyway, with that out of the way I'm going to go lay down. I do once again apologize for not having more to give today, but outside influences do be like that.

 

[Totally_RandomYT]

if you are suspicious of me, read me. I don't mind.

 

[tae]

if you are suspicious of me, read me. I don't mind.

people are reading you…

and you’ve not done jack to push back


also hi just got off work and popped in on mobile, give me time to shower and boot up my computer and i’ll see what i’ve missed.

 

[Sidney]

Mix Sidney things I'd like some thoughts on.



This was Sidneys take on me d1. This was pretty much an unprompted (albeit indirect) sus toss on to Shawo. I think this technically was the very first instance of any kind of sus on Shawo? Would maf!Sidney be bold enough to try to push a vote pool with Shawo in it d1?

The only thing that makes me ??? is Shawo placing a Sidney vote a couple of mins after this.

Do y'all make anything of this?



From start of d2. Sidney here basically removed all responsibility from betsy+tae if we assume she knew Shawo was maf? If this isn't an anti-maf move then it's a bus but like...?

this was me being a bit scrambled. I don’t quite understand what you’re saying here. I was theorizing on what it meant that betsy and tae were quick to flip to follow shawo in voting.

I’m really sorry but I’m genuinely confused as to what you mean by the last paragraph;; Like I don’t understand what’s being said

 

[tae]

wHY Is iT SpiCY (i’m sorry its funnier in my head)

sorry reading ove rnow but this ****ing sent me. thank you. its accurate. LOL

 

[Sidney]

First things first @Sidney I don’t think you’re Shawo’s partner. I teased that for a second and it was mostly a joke that I added on to but looking back at your interactions there are instances where you challenge his words, or behavior, and I feel like there’s no way those can all be manufactured. Or it would just take a lot of good acting on both your parts. Glad my gut confirmed at least one of you in that duo, though haha.

gotcha; and yeah i feel like i was pushing back against shawo all day yesterday. honestly i was starting to think maybe i was just tunneling nothing after all this morning; so the information is actually greatly appreciated sheep. For the record, and I think I expressed this, I never townread shawo. I did, however, think they were contributing enough to keep them around for a little longer and wasn't confident enough in my own reading to press it further.

Multiple times Random explained some reads and stuff by saying he “must of missed some things” and stuff, but what I don’t understand is in his biggest post, the “got it” explantation, that whole discussion about that post happened around the same times Tae and I were posting enough substance to get reasonable reads from him. It feels like Random didn’t really read the thread based off of his reads on everyone, but also he read the thread because he must’ve seen the “got it” discussion? Minus that one post, there's been little to no mention or reads back from day 1 and that doesn’t add up.

Adding all of these together, his completely different post than usual addressing a part of the thread that feels like Random also didn’t entirely read, with Shawo’s defense of Random and unreasonable townread on him in posts like this one for example,

Make me think that Random was coached into that explanation by Shawo.

Random had also placed a suspicion on Shawo without anything to back it up (and there is things to back it up but from his pov it was more of a gut read/no reasoning) and I believe this was used to make him seem town and place a distance between the two.

I could definitely see this being a possibility. It calls into question why they would sus shawo, but probably distancing if this is the case.

Finally, there were a lot of scummy “any questions to prove i’m town” type posts from Random and “good I’m not being voted off” which isn’t a town perspective at ALL.

This is kind of brain mush but I hope you guys see what I’m trying to get across, all of these reasons and evidence combined just don’t come together consistently or add up in a towny way.

So yeah my read on random is mafia if you can't tell lol

I'm tempted to write off random as just being new as well, but the motives here confuse me. I'm unsure how mafia experience random has too...Last couple of posts are especially concerning. Especially when combined with shawo's interaction and the shawo sus

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I dunno if you saw it in my previous post of my post-claim views, but to me it made sidney more likely town. I just can't see a maf team bussing from the very start, esp a newer player, esp when there's no reason to.


I don't think this was sidneys reads? She had me sussed bcuz possible team with shawo I believe.

yeah, i never sussed betsy and tae as a team. both were my biggest leads as of start of d2 directly after the nk. Betsy was originally sussed as a possible team with shawo. I don't think much others have commented on that specifically aside from that looking for team work is good

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I did have them as a possible team at the start of the day because i was starting to doubt myself about shawo

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where is shawo now?

 

[tae]

Mix Sidney things I'd like some thoughts on.



This was Sidneys take on me d1. This was pretty much an unprompted (albeit indirect) sus toss on to Shawo. I think this technically was the very first instance of any kind of sus on Shawo? Would maf!Sidney be bold enough to try to push a vote pool with Shawo in it d1?

The only thing that makes me ??? is Shawo placing a Sidney vote a couple of mins after this.

Do y'all make anything of this?



From start of d2. Sidney here basically removed all responsibility from betsy+tae if we assume she knew Shawo was maf? If this isn't an anti-maf move then it's a bus but like...?

i think that depends on their scummate.
idk how much experience sidney has, but they can very well be coached to do so.. not saying she's mafia just saying that albeit it might be kinda bold for someone who was so shy to post d1 due to not contributing or being certain on their arguments, when you're scum you can talk to each other and bounce ideas back and forth about chain of action y'know? i think a lot of people threw the term manufactured around.

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where is shawo now?

not to answer for him, but he works during this time.
i'm sure he will be home soon. i too am curious to see what he brings after sheep's claim.

 

[Sidney]

not to answer for him, but he works during this time.
i'm sure he will be home soon. i too am curious to see what he brings after sheep's claim.

Gotcha; Also curious

 

[shawo]

So I caught up to roughly the point where Sheep said I was mafia, and read a bit forward. It's cool you guys all think I'm mafia, (and I did just get back.)

But I am town.

I'm also not Det.

To be honest, there's a whole series of events that makes this weird, but the absolute simplest one is just to kill me then kill Sheep. I'll catch up now though to make sure Sheep is actually committing to the det claim.

I'll also give some reads before I die. Don't sheep them, I just want to be able to say I told you so lmao.

 

[Totally_RandomYT]

people are reading you…

and you’ve not done jack to push back


also hi just got off work and popped in on mobile, give me time to shower and boot up my computer and i’ll see what i’ve missed.

Yeah, I haven’t, mostly cuz I know I’m town, little bit cuz I had a bad day and just don’t want to get on as much. All I feel like I can say now is that I don’t seem to have a grasp at what everyone is really like, which In turn is giving me a hard time to figure out what to do. While yes I am suspicious of a few people due to how their messages escalated, I don’t know how to convince you guys of my thoughts. And yes I have tried (and yes those were very bad tries) so idk really what to say anymore.

I’m going to sleep, I’m tired.

 

[shawo]

Ok, so I've given a proper catch up.

I'm just gonna go ahead with the simplest observation, which is that real det is hiding because Sheep claimed a maf report on town. Assuming you have a report on anyone alive besides Sheep. You should claim. There's a logistical reason behind this.

The first one is -> Det report on town!alive, means we'll have two clears, giving us two elims in 4 to find mafia.

The second one is -> Det report on me!alive, which is a little worse, but is the same situation as above. The difference is that in the event of a Det death, we're not actually losing our report. While the risk is Det might just die going into tomorrow.

 

[tae]

Ok, so I've given a proper catch up.

I'm just gonna go ahead with the simplest observation, which is that real det is hiding because Sheep claimed a maf report on town. Assuming you have a report on anyone alive besides Sheep. You should claim. There's a logistical reason behind this.

The first one is -> Det report on town!alive, means we'll have two clears, giving us two elims in 4 to find mafia.

The second one is -> Det report on me!alive, which is a little worse, but is the same situation as above. The difference is that in the event of a Det death, we're not actually losing our report. While the risk is Det might just die going into tomorrow.

so you have no CC, and your reasoning is sheep is a liar and that real det is hiding...?

 

[tessa grace]

if you are suspicious of me, read me. I don't mind.

I did read you though lol??

 

[shawo]

My strongest townreads are: Betsy/Random. I've not actually given my reasons for TRing either of them, but I think a couple of things stand out to me.

Random I actually think is basically 100% town. Their reads are so... so garbage. In a really towny way. I don't want to start a fight, usually, but basically what I'm trying to say is that Random's reads are SO bad, I don't think mafia could have conceivably created them.

Betsy is just a town-lean. Solid game basically exists as everything Tessa isn't. IMO, between the two of them, Betsy has actually tried to solve, Tessa has not. Pretty sure if you just ISO'd between the two of them, that could come to light.

Now tbh, my read on Tessa wasn't super strong going in. But I think Tessa should be in contention for elim from everyone. I get that everyone's townreading Tessa... but at the same time... I don't really think Tessa's done anything to be townready besides... post well? Like sure, that's fine and valid, but you're just going to get pocketed into a 3 way IF tessa is mafia.

If I had to give a 1/1 partner for sheep, it would be Tessa.

For Tae/Sidney. I think Sidney's posts come from a good place, I still dislike their posts, but I think generally there's a town-solvey tendency that tends to come across from Sidney's posts.

imo the least town is Tae, between Sidney and Tae, because while Tae is trying their best... haha... it doesn't really come across well. The reason I'm so latched onto Tessa is because I think mafia!Tae doesn't make that absolutely awful no elim play day 1. I think. I'm like fairly certain Tae is more experienced than that. And that just... it was so... Like no offense....

So yeah, here's my slightly barbed, probably final set of reads, unless someone wants to swoop in and save me like a guardian angel.
(If you let me die on ML and die with a report I will forever curse you in spec chat.)

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so you have no CC, and your reasoning is sheep is a liar and that real det is hiding...?

So, I know I'm town. What set of reasoning do you want me to use. Haha, sheep must've been JOKING.

 

[tessa grace]

so you have no CC, and your reasoning is sheep is a liar and that real det is hiding...?

honestly shawo isn't gonna admit to it (what mafia would?) and so we just gotta take it with a grain of salt, and watch it play out. worst case scenario is someone counterclaims;but they could be outing as mafia so i doubt it'll happen

 

[shawo]

honestly shawo isn't gonna admit to it (what mafia would?) and so we just gotta take it with a grain of salt, and watch it play out. worst case scenario is someone counterclaims;but they could be outing as mafia so i doubt it'll happen

Just to clarify, just so we all have a bench mark in case this happens.

If the Det counter claims.

You vote sheep.

It is mechanically a town win if sheep is town.

Sheep will flip mafia.

The game will move on.

-> IE: if you vote me when there's a CC, you're hardclaiming maf xo