Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[Sidney]

i was gonna have a nice formatted post for y’all but my computer monitor just like. died. so you’re getting a mobile mess

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Tae, I think I'll need time to really study on your theory. My biggest reason to eliminate sidney was the fact that shawo initiated the 'sidney is maf, discuss'. If I understand, what you're saying is that shawo threw that out as a distancing tactic, they had some sus type interaction, but then brought it back to townreads despite the sus?

I just want to say, this isn’t even….true, because I said I thought shawo was fishy then entire time, while conceding that xyz seemed to be town aligned. I did the exact same thing of also noting townie things for everyone i suspected in this game.

I did feel uncomfortable with the idea of just voting random and not investigating anything else, which is why I haven't voted yet, tried to engage random, and went searching. I agree that my read on random is based a lot on shawo seeming to move the vote away from random d1. But a couple of other things bothered me on random as well.

I also don’t just want to vote off random without questioning. I was really hoping that random would engage with the questions yesterday.

(Tinfoil on). I think shawo knew he'd possibly be investigated after the way d1 ended. If his partner was also sussed, he would want to have his partner put distance between them. D2 started with random saying shawo was sus but not giving a good reason.

Can you explain why? I didn’t see any reason shawo would think so; I thought most everyone was more on board with me than him

And here comes tinfoil. "Got it" isn't usually an individual, stand alone phrase. Got it is usually a response to something, which was why my tinfoil hat went on because he wasn't answering got it to anything in the thread. So I figured it had to be a response to something outside the thread. And shawo answered that "town" very quickly, less than a minute.

Yep. This is the same thoughts I had day of. And it only gets MORE suspicious with the second interaction.

I get that it could be innocent and something shawo ****posted in response, which was why on d1 I was more seeing it as a random mafslip that had nothing to do with shawo.
But this explanation d2:


- scratched my tinfoil, because how could that be in response to the game starting when it was his 4th post and he was present and posting (granted, pokemon go, but still) at beginning of d1.

Yeah. I agree.

This is true. Proud wearer of the foil. However- I did point out that the tessa maf read felt like a setup.

It seems like the basics of what you're saying on shawo's last reads is that he put tessa, myself, and random at the extreme ends of definite town/definite maf in order to confuse us and keep the focus on those three?

Okay, I could see how you might come to the conclusion I’m the issue here, if this is what tae meant

More tinfoil, not the hat, the whole suit- one other reason I didn't vote random right away and asked him to come defend if he was town is because with the way d2 ended, with shawo croaked and everyone sussing the heck out of random, I was thinking that if it were random, he might have conceded at that point. I was kind of halfway expecting it. I can point to plenty of sus things from random and from shawo that indicates random, but it bugs me.

I was thinking the opposite would help if he was town; since he posted about how he wasn’t being voted off so all was good and he’d just answer questions (thinking; maybe if he’s starting to be voted it’ll put some actual pressure to defend)

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that’s the point of it all. he pushed you bc he didn’t have a real case. so it was easy to play off, and forget about it. looked like a “trying to get a reaction” post and when you defended yourself he backed off and never revisited it. added pressure and backed off, easy ploy to show he’s pushing you but not enough to get any traction for it. it’s a good strategy to pull.

I don’t have anything to say to this besides the fact that I don’t know what mafia team strategies look like; this is my second game. Would this not also be an easy way for shawo to later have you all wasting time/votes on me again when i’m town? Since a lot of you have enough experience to apparently know this?

i think i did miss your posts. will revisit after work.

still waiting here i think

do you think the value eliminating random today brings us much closer to winning? if random flips green what’s plan B for you?

plan B for me is betsy unless someone has a better argument for another person. I do legitimately think, if random won’t respond today, that eliminating them brings us closer. If we don’t, what is there stopping everyone from repeating this exact day and questioning line tomorrow? I would think active players would be easier to decide between tomorrow. If random is town and is still here tomorrow and still posting the same, what choice will you have besides eliminating them?

Sidenote: if they DO show up and say something that clears them; I won’t vote them. I just don’t think doing this again tomorrow is productive towards winning.

If you think that eliminating me gives you more to work with, then like…okay, that’s fine. I just don’t see how, when it shows I’m town, you guys won’t be just debating and waiting for random again

your death gives us many more posts to gut and sift through compared to a random flip does. if you flipped green i’d have to hard evaluate between betsy vs random. at that point we’re at MYLO and it’s much more frantic. your betsy case could turn the whole game around ¯\_(ツ)_/ but nobody’s posted super big pushes yet so i’m just pushing what i feel is the better case to push at this point.

Right, so, you agree with me, you just don’t know my alignment.

we all know pressuring random doesn’t do jack so far. it’s met with a “AMA idk what to tell y’all” lmao.

random please please if you see this and are town please help us

if just think it’s more likely that shawo coached sidney into playing the trope of new player and not making big reads and laying low and just going along with the flow rather than building a big case.

i wish i was being coached

i also believe random is too easy of an elimination and even if they flip green that leaves us with so little information to sift through.

I could see that. On the counter side, I’m offering that leaving random (assuming they don’t ever defend themselves) would put us in the exact same situation with them tomorrow.

i also wanna point out that pushing sooner than later is better because EOD chaos pushes is what got trent killed. and i want you to be able to make your case and what not without having to frantically rush bc eod is in an hour etc.

thanks lol

wasting 30 hours of d3 hoping random gives any kind of fight seems like a waste of time and i don’t wanna sit around waiting for random to decide to return to the thread to post their third reiteration of “idk how to defend myself, AMA”

i mean this is fair. i never planned to wait 30 hours. It does feel like we’re kind of a standstill though


] yes you’re correct. it’s a perfect hot potato tactic. idk if it’s got a mafia term for it, but you sus you partner, make a few jabs and then back off and leave it at that. you can easily write it off as a “i’m just stirring the pot” i’ve done before too. where you just random sus someone for gut reactions and back off. (or tunnel it i guess). but that paired with other interactions is why i feel like sidney is a better scum candidate than random.
what other interactions?

 

[Sidney]

shawo also called her out on the constant "im not good at d1" thing and actually had a really good point on it, not posting d1 and being super chill / not having any reads, even gut reads, hides and excuses yourself from any scumtells you might make.

I THINK i already responded to this post but i just wanted to bring this back. I think you misunderstand. I meant and clarified I didn’t know how to start the game. The last game I played someone asked some random questions about books to start. And people were saying they hated questions like that, and the only thing asked so far was pronouns. I asked a question when I thought of one, timezones, and was promptly ignored.

Then Shawo decided to start the game by telling everyone i was sus for being bad at introductions

I thought it was a weird reason and came out of nowhere, and was directly asked by trent who else i could best make a case for. Shawo was a legitimate answer. I thought i was too easy a target for mafia, and saw no reason someone town would randomly do that. If that’s how games always start then like….my bad lol

Sidney I'm curious why you viewed me specifically in this conversation as having a manufactured conversation with shawo. I went back and read it. It starts with 'sidney is maf, discuss', and includes several people (myself, trent, tae, etc) responding on our view of what he posted.

Same reasonings I originally suspected shawo. It may have been many people, but it felt like it would’ve been any easy way to give easy reads and votes for d1 (which everyone else has been saying I’m suspicious for). We had replacements, so I didn’t understand why there would be any value in town gunning for inactive people.

When nobody really had a big reaction to it (I believe my response was "meh, what are your reasons" - which he never gave), he went on to ask people who they would vote if they absolutely had to vote at that time, if not sidney. Again, more people responded than just me, and my response was not to just throw a 'couple names out' as you put it. I actually gave a brief read on everyone at that time. Here it is, post 52:

So I'm wondering why you think it's manufactured, and just me throwing a couple names out?

More manufactured conversation posts-




I'm also curious why you thought the tae/betsy omgus tunnel thingy was also manufactured. (Cuz I really thought it was tae at the time).

It seemed like a distraction from eod voting. I thought maybe you guys could be a mafia team trying to clog the thread. I’m curious why you don’t think it’s tae anymore?

And for this (on repeat)
Again, I gave a brief read on everyone, and excluded the 2 who were completely inactive at that point in time (because it was mentioned that they'd probably be replaced).

I was told not speaking my opinions was bad. So…I just started updating the thread where I’m at.

I will say, though, that I do vote low activity players off d1, especially if it seems they won't get better. I've been in a game where inactives were a real pain late in the game, so now I try to avoid it like the plague (how long did we debate pottercrossing, tessa, lol?).

as i said above…..I’m starting to understand.

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now that tae's brought it up again i'm going to add on to my previous tinfoil hat theory:

A summary (in tessa’s words) of d1 shawo and sidney:
Shawo: sidney is mafia because of lack of content (even though tessa and many others weren’t even active, lol)
Sidney: is this a town push? i feel like you’re mafia, but it’s too soon to say so idk…
Sidney (again): i’m trying hard to contribute and voting me off would be useless cmon guys
(note: this was only a few posts later and as far as i see nobody was pushing for her and shawo hadn’t responded yet?? the need to defend herself after one small bit is confusing)
Sidney (again again): i would vote shawo because he targeted me cause im new, whatever i flip won’t net any info
Sidney (again again again): i found this post from shawo and im going to tr him now
Sidney (again x4): i have questions for shawo, kind of feel like this certain convo is manufactured
Sidney (idek how many agains): hmm i don’t think he’s mafia but idk if he’s town? i’m confused
Shawo: i don’t agree with any of sidneys posts but she’s town (entirely opposite of ‘i like all of tessa’s reads but she’s mafia… does this mean anything?)
And then they both vote trent i’m too lazy to write the rest plus i have something else to say

Lack of confidence on my part. I wish I’d pushed back on shawo harder but I was really starting to doubt myself more especially into day two. I don’t understand why they town read me but disagreed, aside from to do EXACTLY what they almost did and I was afraid of: get me to remove the spotlight on them and let them convince me that they were town and i should look to X town

Does this conversation feel a little bit manufactured to you guys? Like Sidney brings up something against a town member-shawo agrees-they bring suspicion up and both agree on something but then nobody else follows so they completely drop it. I wonder if this set of posts was meant to be the start of a town bw that never came to be because nobody else responded to it. Like neither of them mentioned it again and put their focus on other people instead.

I wasn’t planning any sort of major push towards sheep. I was offering up another that was the same as what they were saying. I also didn’t offer any judgement on it, I didn’t really see either as maf then, I just said it was the same. It felt relevant and potentially helpful.

ME TOO THOUGH. I LITERALLY CANNOT READ ANYONE RIGHT NOW

This is my biggest gripe about the possibility of it being me today. I’m worried that this will be tomorrow again, and it makes me nervous for town

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honestly i’m willing to re-evaluate random if sidney flips green honestly. maybe i’m putting too much faith in it all but i still believe we elim sidney over random here. ¯\_(ツ)_/ tinfoil hat wearing if i gotta.

because if random flips town and i have no freaking idea where to go from there other than sidney as of right now.

and i’ll warn you all now if we elim random
today and he flips green i’m absolutely tunneling sidney and will fist fight y’all in the parking lot to look into her because scummy.

Just to clarify, your plan for tomorrow is
push random if it’s not me or push me if it’s not random? Would you look into other people? Or are you town reading both tessa and betsy?

 

[tae]

Just to clarify, your plan for tomorrow is
push random if it’s not me or push me if it’s not random? Would you look into other people? Or are you town reading both tessa and betsy?

if you flip today & game isn’t over bc actually nervous town!sidney then it’s a mess to see who all is left after the nk.

if its me, betsy, random. i’m more inclined to vote random (if they don’t come back before eod today to defend themselves).

if it’s me, tessa, betsy. i have to re-read everything and pick both apart regardless of townreads bc wow that’s a mess and i got played all along. (probably will start doing that during night tbh)

if its tessa, betsy, random, i’ll just scream from the afterlife.

 

[BetsySundrop]

I'm back gonna look over and respond/ vote.

 

[tessa grace]

Lack of confidence on my part. I wish I’d pushed back on shawo harder but I was really starting to doubt myself more especially into day two. I don’t understand why they town read me but disagreed, aside from to do EXACTLY what they almost did and I was afraid of: get me to remove the spotlight on them and let them convince me that they were town and i should look to X town.

I've been noticing from a lot of your posts especially d1 that you say people are suspicious of you because you're new, or you aren't confident, and you're using those to write off any points made against you. I don't love the repetitive excuse to be honest? I can see you being anxious town but I also get a wolfy feeling from it, idk.

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Anyways good morning all, I'm up much later today (thank heavens its the weekend) and I'm reevaluating where I want to put my vote.
Right now, I'm thinking sidney for a few reasons:
1. I agree with tae's points against her and I think there's reason to vote her off
2. I also think we could gain a lot of more information from a sidney green flip than a random one
3. I have been quietly pushing a shawo/sidney agenda since the start of day 2 before shawo flipped and if I was right this whole time that would be epic

 

[Totally_RandomYT]

Now ok, im not going to be on today since I have a lot of work to do, then school work, then I have to serve at my school tonight so idk if I’ll be able to stay active but I’ll try to say one thing real quick.

If I was maf, do you think I would be told to do this bad? Like all of my posts have either been me just talking or trying to explain things. Like, I can see shawo/sidney but I don’t know really know. At the time I’m writing this there’s one vote for me and one for Sidney (Tessa grace took their vote back) so I’m probably going to vote for Sidney, but unless something changes idk

 

[tessa grace]

Mentioning one other thing, I still have a LOT of suspicion on random, but my biggest reason for wanting to vote sidney is what tae said earlier

if we vote random today and they flip green instead of red, what do we learn? with all their post lefts behind in the current thread, at this point in time (since they havent defended themselves yet) what vital information do they leave behind? quote me posts if you have to, but like what vital information does random actually leave behind for us? someone please explain it to me.

This makes SO much sense to me. I know I started the random vote so ig that sounds weird, but as soon as I saw this i decided to remove my vitr because yes, I am suspicious of random. But also yes, this post from tae has been my favorite so far because their reasoning with the betsy/sidney stuff is just such a good case.

If she flips green, and its f3, I'm gonna be honest I hope I'm dead. I don't really wanna decide who it is, you all can argue amongst yourselves as I watch from heaven.

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Now ok, im not going to be on today since I have a lot of work to do, then school work, then I have to serve at my school tonight so idk if I’ll be able to stay active but I’ll try to say one thing real quick.

If I was maf, do you think I would be told to do this bad? Like all of my posts have either been me just talking or trying to explain things. Like, I can see shawo/sidney but I don’t know really know. At the time I’m writing this there’s one vote for me and one for Sidney (Tessa grace took their vote back) so I’m probably going to vote for Sidney, but unless something changes idk

Why are you going to vote sidney? Are you particularly suspicious of her? If no votes were on anyone right now who would you vote?

Also I don't think thats a very good point; someone could be mafia and pretend to play bad and then make that point. It doesn't really back you up well.

 

[BetsySundrop]

Responding to sidney first.

I just want to say, this isn’t even….true, because I said I thought shawo was fishy then entire time, while conceding that xyz seemed to be town aligned. I did the exact same thing of also noting townie things for everyone i suspected in this game.

I believe tae had an example of shawo and yourself townreading each other after sussing each other included in his maf!sidney argument. I can double check it.

Can you explain why? I didn’t see any reason shawo would think so; I thought most everyone was more on board with me than him

This was in response to my saying I believed shawo may have known he was investigated.

Sure I can explain. Tinfoil on... My theory was - the det would investigate the active people who were being most sussed at the eod - myself, shawo, or tae. (More likely it would be either Shawo or myself, as I was just in a huge tae tunnel). So there was a good chance he'd been the one inv., especially when he'd been the one to lead the trent wagon.

I was thinking the opposite would help if he was town; since he posted about how he wasn’t being voted off so all was good and he’d just answer questions (thinking; maybe if he’s starting to be voted it’ll put some actual pressure to defend)

Regarding random - yeah it could go either way. Some people don't respond to the pressure, or he could have been just giving up, or could be sus with no way to defend. Dunno

plan B for me is betsy unless someone has a better argument for another person. I do legitimately think, if random won’t respond today, that eliminating them brings us closer. If we don’t, what is there stopping everyone from repeating this exact day and questioning line tomorrow? I would think active players would be easier to decide between tomorrow. If random is town and is still here tomorrow and still posting the same, what choice will you have besides eliminating them?

That's an awful plan b, cuz we'll lose! Ugh.
However- I agree with you on the second part.

It seemed like a distraction from eod voting. I thought maybe you guys could be a mafia team trying to clog the thread. I’m curious why you don’t think it’s tae anymore?

On the betsy/tae d1 tunnel. Without knowing who is maf/town, d1 sucks. My reasons for sussing tae were - he was hardcore defending trent, while trent was playing a style that usually doesn't help town. (The quiet d1, a good way for maf to just do nothing and hide).
Then towards the end, tae seemed 100% confident trent was town. Nobody is that confident on just a read. I've been up there in my confidence on town reads, but there is always some doubt, a small chance, that I could be wrong. If ever someone is 100% confident, it makes me pay closer attention to them, because it could indicate that they have "insider information" and in some cases tmi can be a maf tell.

I started d2 still sussing tae. But after shawo being exposed as maf, I had to go back and read d1 with that in mind. Shawo/tae disagreed pretty much the whole d1. They sussed each other, but never came back to townreads on each other. At one point, I said I was voting tae and shawo said he would flip his vote if it meant avoiding no elim. I didn't think a maf would actually volunteer to vote their partner on d1? So that kinda closed my tae tunnel.

Then Shawo decided to start the game by telling everyone i was sus for being bad at introductions

I thought it was a weird reason and came out of nowhere, and was directly asked by trent who else i could best make a case for. Shawo was a legitimate answer. I thought i was too easy a target for mafia, and saw no reason someone town would randomly do that. If that’s how games always start then like….my bad lol

I did want to mention this. When shawo put out the sidney is maf, discuss, he actually didn't give a reason. Trent, myself, tae - several people specifically asked him to give a reason but at that time he wouldn't. He even at one point said he had a reason but wasn't disclosing it at the time. I'll see if I can find that post.

And it isn't unusual for town to toss out a sus or a vote in order to get a reaction. Sometimes that's the only reason, to get a reaction from others. That's what I figured shawo was doing when he didn't follow up with any reasoning, tossing bait. Maf can also sus each other to distance/cover and gather info from town reactions.

If I missed anything, let me know. Will slowly finger type in my reads next...

 

[Sidney]

hi i fell back asleep

I've been noticing from a lot of your posts especially d1 that you say people are suspicious of you because you're new, or you aren't confident, and you're using those to write off any points made against you. I don't love the repetitive excuse to be honest? I can see you being anxious town but I also get a wolfy feeling from it, idk.

I mean, it’s just the truth. I don’t know know what else you want me to say. If you want to vote me then you’re free too; I don’t have any better explanation for you

 

[BetsySundrop]

If I was maf, do you think I would be told to do this bad? Like all of my posts have either been me just talking or trying to explain things. Like, I can see shawo/sidney but I don’t know really know. At the time I’m writing this there’s one vote for me and one for Sidney (Tessa grace took their vote back) so I’m probably going to vote for Sidney, but unless something changes idk

I don't think it's bad, just not present. Sometimes people get busy, and this can be an intensive game. I've seen players of varying levels of activity flip maf. So you never know.

If she flips green, and its f3, I'm gonna be honest I hope I'm dead. I don't really wanna decide who it is, you all can argue amongst yourselves as I watch from heaven.

Oh no...absolutely not! You have to do f3. I'll be the helper from the graveyard, channeling all that dead guy wisdom with my non existent powers...

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Found the post where shawo won't give his reason for Sidney sus after being questioned. It's post #43.

I mean there's an actual reason, but I'm not gonna say it. Let's drive engagement. What's your read on Sidney? Even gut.

This is why I figured it was just bait...

 

[Sidney]

Mentioning one other thing, I still have a LOT of suspicion on random, but my biggest reason for wanting to vote sidney is what tae said earlier

This makes SO much sense to me. I know I started the random vote so ig that sounds weird, but as soon as I saw this i decided to remove my vitr because yes, I am suspicious of random. But also yes, this post from tae has been my favorite so far because their reasoning with the betsy/sidney stuff is just such a good case.

If she flips green, and its f3, I'm gonna be honest I hope I'm dead. I don't really wanna decide who it is, you all can argue amongst yourselves as I watch from heaven

if you think i’ll give the most information, then vote me. I don’t think I have much more solving left to give at this point. But I am town, and I am worried that it means tomorrow will just be today part two

Why are you going to vote sidney? Are you particularly suspicious of her? If no votes were on anyone right now who would you vote?

I don’t think that’s it at all (that random is suspicious of me); the entire time they’ve been saying I “seemed town”

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Responding to sidney first.

I believe tae had an example of shawo and yourself townreading each other after sussing each other included in his maf!sidney argument. I can double check it.

Okay

This was in response to my saying I believed shawo may have known he was investigated.

Sure I can explain. Tinfoil on... My theory was - the det would investigate the active people who were being most sussed at the eod - myself, shawo, or tae. (More likely it would be either Shawo or myself, as I was just in a huge tae tunnel). So there was a good chance he'd been the one inv., especially when he'd been the one to lead the trent wagon.

Gotcha (I’ve never seriously thought about how det would choose investigation but i can buy this tbh)

Regarding random - yeah it could go either way. Some people don't respond to the pressure, or he could have been just giving up, or could be sus with no way to defend. Dunno

It appears to be one of those. I don’t think we’ll be getting much more from random today at least.

That's an awful plan b, cuz we'll lose! Ugh.

Hopefully not

However- I agree with you on the second part.

Yeah…

On the betsy/tae d1 tunnel. Without knowing who is maf/town, d1 sucks. My reasons for sussing tae were - he was hardcore defending trent, while trent was playing a style that usually doesn't help town. (The quiet d1, a good way for maf to just do nothing and hide).
Then towards the end, tae seemed 100% confident trent was town. Nobody is that confident on just a read. I've been up there in my confidence on town reads, but there is always some doubt, a small chance, that I could be wrong. If ever someone is 100% confident, it makes me pay closer attention to them, because it could indicate that they have "insider information" and in some cases tmi can be a maf tell.

Okay, Makes sense to me

I started d2 still sussing tae. But after shawo being exposed as maf, I had to go back and read d1 with that in mind. Shawo/tae disagreed pretty much the whole d1. They sussed each other, but never came back to townreads on each other. At one point, I said I was voting tae and shawo said he would flip his vote if it meant avoiding no elim. I didn't think a maf would actually volunteer to vote their partner on d1? So that kinda closed my tae tunnel.

You also said if you were mafia you would throw shawo under the bus, so I’m failing to see how voting would be out of the question

I did want to mention this. When shawo put out the sidney is maf, discuss, he actually didn't give a reason. Trent, myself, tae - several people specifically asked him to give a reason but at that time he wouldn't. He even at one point said he had a reason but wasn't disclosing it at the time. I'll see if I can find that post.

Okay

And it isn't unusual for town to toss out a sus or a vote in order to get a reaction. Sometimes that's the only reason, to get a reaction from others. That's what I figured shawo was doing when he didn't follow up with any reasoning, tossing bait. Maf can also sus each other to distance/cover and gather info from town reactions.

I’m just not familiar with this, then, I guess

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Found the post where shawo won't give his reason for Sidney sus after being questioned. It's post #43.

This is why I figured it was just bait...

Gotcha

The first post was a very definite one though. I do think if I wouldn’t have pushed back any shawo would have gone for me instead of trent but obviously i’ve no way of proving that now

 

[BetsySundrop]

Ok so, reads as I have them now...

Tessa- likely town, loves fun games, walks on the beach, and playing f3. Tessa is looking forward to winning the game for us, so 3 cheers for tessa f3!

In all seriousness, I think it's town!tessa. She questions everyone, backs up reads with reasons, and the only way she's maf is if she and shawo agreed to deliberately label her that way in his final ravings. I really don't see tessa agreeing to something like that. But if it is a reverse psychology double cross, it's a good one, cuz I think she's town.

Tae- this is a tough one for me. I love my tunnels, and while it's logical to close this particular tunnel, the back of my mind is echoing arguments up to me from where it's still locked in that stupid tunnel...
So for the town/maf tae possibilities this day.
Town
- did not just jump on the 2 early random votes, which would have been an easy target resulting in a quiet day
- offered up reasoned arguments for an alternative
- is still questioning everyone and investigating all possibilities

Maf
- what if it's a double cross, lol.

I am kind of (very) worried about an f3 with random in it. My worry is that it would be the perfect scenario for a wolf - an easily pressured random, an innocent town, and a devious wolf who did not vote random d3....hmmm

But! All of their arguments against sidney have merit, they didn't just jump on the random bw, so it's likely tae is town, imo...I think.. shut up tunnel echo....

Sidney- I can see town and maf arguments both.

Town- the d1 interactions with shawo
Maf- the d1 interactions with shawo

I had sidney leaning town specifically because shawo put up the 'sidney is maf, discuss' very early d1. I still think it's not something you generally see in a major appliance a maf team.
But with the lack of follow through and the following townreads, it's either bait or distancing. I do see the reasoning from tessa and tae. It is a possibility. If sidney does flip maf, congratulations tessa.

Which brings me to random. Town and maf reasons:

Town
- he does say he's town

Maf
- the d1 interactions with shawo (these could be all on shawo's part, but they are questionable)
- the difference in reads beginning d2 vs d3
- following the current sus/vote, whichever way it goes, without being involved in the reads/arguments

The problem- I believe he (random) is now sussing sidney to save himself, and he would do the same in an f3. This makes him an easy target for a wolf to pressure.
This is why I prefer to vote low activity out d1. I know this is gonna get me screamed at, but I'll probably vote random today.

If it's random, game over, we win. If it's not, at least he won't be dragged into an f3 as an easy target. And I believe with random out, if he flips town, the nk will still net enough info for tessa in f3, especially if the nk is/is not sidney.

don’t think that’s it at all (that random is suspicious of me); the entire time they’ve been saying I “seemed town”

I don't think random is suspicious of you in particular? I think he is just saving himself.

 

[tae]

hi guys im trying read as i travel store to store for errands today but i’m trying to get home before EOD. looks like i’ve missed some posts but i got two more errands to run and we’re at about 2.5? hours til eod. i’m trying to hurry. it looks like random said their same “idk guys” and dipped again which sucks big time tbh.

 

[Sidney]

Ok so, reads as I have them now...

Tessa- likely town, loves fun games, walks on the beach, and playing f3. Tessa is looking forward to winning the game for us, so 3 cheers for tessa f3!

In all seriousness, I think it's town!tessa. She questions everyone, backs up reads with reasons, and the only way she's maf is if she and shawo agreed to deliberately label her that way in his final ravings. I really don't see tessa agreeing to something like that. But if it is a reverse psychology double cross, it's a good one, cuz I think she's town.

I agree here

Tae- this is a tough one for me. I love my tunnels, and while it's logical to close this particular tunnel, the back of my mind is echoing arguments up to me from where it's still locked in that stupid tunnel...
So for the town/maf tae possibilities this day.
Town
- did not just jump on the 2 early random votes, which would have been an easy target resulting in a quiet day
- offered up reasoned arguments for an alternative
- is still questioning everyone and investigating all possibilities

Maf
- what if it's a double cross, lol.

Same here

I am kind of (very) worried about an f3 with random in it. My worry is that it would be the perfect scenario for a wolf - an easily pressured random, an innocent town, and a devious wolf who did not vote random d3....hmmm

Yeah. It just sounds like a town nightmare to me

But! All of their arguments against sidney have merit, they didn't just jump on the random bw, so it's likely tae is town, imo...I think.. shut up tunnel echo....

Do break down tae more if they succeed in voting me off instead

Sidney- I can see town and maf arguments both.

Town- the d1 interactions with shawo
Maf- the d1 interactions with shawo

LOL

had sidney leaning town specifically because shawo put up the 'sidney is maf, discuss' very early d1. I still think it's not something you generally see in a major appliance a maf team.
But with the lack of follow through and the following townreads, it's either bait or distancing. I do see the reasoning from tessa and tae. It is a possibility. If sidney does flip maf, congratulations tessa.

It would be cool but sadly I am indeed town

Which brings me to random. Town and maf reasons:

Town
- he does say he's town

Maf
- the d1 interactions with shawo (these could be all on shawo's part, but they are questionable)
- the difference in reads beginning d2 vs d3
- following the current sus/vote, whichever way it goes, without being involved in the reads/arguments

The problem- I believe he (random) is now sussing sidney to save himself, and he would do the same in an f3. This makes him an easy target for a wolf to pressure.
This is why I prefer to vote low activity out d1. I know this is gonna get me screamed at, but I'll probably vote random today.

If it's random, game over, we win. If it's not, at least he won't be dragged into an f3 as an easy target. And I believe with random out, if he flips town, the nk will still net enough info for tessa in f3, especially if the nk is/is not sidney.

This is my exact thoughts.

I don't think random is suspicious of you in particular? I think he is just saving himself.

I’m confused because i thought this was what i said

 

[BetsySundrop]

You also said if you were mafia you would throw shawo under the bus, so I’m failing to see how voting would be out of the question

Oh heck yeah. I'm a busser. But in every game I've played (the few that I have lol) maf never bussed to the point of an actual vote on d1. They would sus each other, but not vote each other. It might happen, but I've not seen it. That's why I figured the tae/shawo was unlikely.

And the reason I'm a hardcore busser is the salmon run mafia game (trauma, much trauma). I got maf, and my partner was extremely sus early d1. Instead of addressing it, they just dropped from the thread...and also ghosted me in the maf chat. But like an idiot, I tried to save them, not knowing if they were coming back or not, and only ended up making myself the obvious partner. So my new playstyle? I'd have parked that bus right on top of shawo d1. But- most people don't play that way. It's not really, uhm, nice?

The first post was a very definite one though. I do think if I wouldn’t have pushed back any shawo would have gone for me instead of trent but obviously i’ve no way of proving that now

I could be wrong (I usually am, lol), but I don't believe he would have continued pushing you, whether you were maf or town. If town, nobody bit that hook, so he would have been pushing a hopeless case. If maf, he'd back off eventually, fish for other susses from town, and then clear you in the end.

This was his first post. No reason given, just he was good at spotting mafia.

Hey guys - I've got some time for the game now. Just a warning, but the EOD time means that there's a chance I won't be able to do anything/have to vote 12 hours in advance (on the weekdays.) So... yeah. It's ok though, I'm super good at finding mafia.

Anyways. Sidney is maf. Discuss.

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I’m confused because i thought this was what i said

Lol. I missed that, sorry. But yeah it seems obvious, which worries me. It's either maf!random saving himself or town!random that could be a disaster in f3. Ugh...

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Do break down tae more if they succeed in voting me off instead

I'm really hoping it's random and he get elim today. But if otherwise, I'm really hoping it's not me in f3. I can't handle that pressure.

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But yes, if it's fate for me to be in f3, I'll break down everyone the best I can.

 

[Sidney]

Oh heck yeah. I'm a busser. But in every game I've played (the few that I have lol) maf never bussed to the point of an actual vote on d1. They would sus each other, but not vote each other. It might happen, but I've not seen it. That's why I figured the tae/shawo was unlikely.

And the reason I'm a hardcore busser is the salmon run mafia game (trauma, much trauma). I got maf, and my partner was extremely sus early d1. Instead of addressing it, they just dropped from the thread...and also ghosted me in the maf chat. But like an idiot, I tried to save them, not knowing if they were coming back or not, and only ended up making myself the obvious partner. So my new playstyle? I'd have parked that bus right on top of shawo d1. But- most people don't play that way. It's not really, uhm, nice?

Tae never actually voted for shawo though? Could it not have been a bluff? Not implying anything, just asking your opinion

I could be wrong (I usually am, lol), but I don't believe he would have continued pushing you, whether you were maf or town. If town, nobody bit that hook, so he would have been pushing a hopeless case. If maf, he'd back off eventually, fish for other susses from town, and then clear you in the end.

This was his first post. No reason given, just he was good at spotting mafia.

I figure if someone would have he would, if that makes sense

Lol. I missed that, sorry. But yeah it seems obvious, which worries me. It's either maf!random saving himself or town!random that could be a disaster in f3. Ugh...

Yep.

I'm really hoping it's random and he get elim today. But if otherwise, I'm really hoping it's not me in f3. I can't handle that pressure.

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But yes, if it's fate for me to be in f3, I'll break down everyone the best I can.

I don't particularly want to be in f3 (I feel like it'll just be me being suspected again and also the pressure to win for town does not sound ideal to me)
and i also can understand that i have enough posts to probably help you guys figure this out later

I'm just really worried about how it would go with random in the f3 regardless of alignment

If he's town, easy push for mafia
If he's mafia, potential for at leat one of the other two to talk themselves out of voting for him and at each other

it sounds less ideal to me than having a lot of info but if yall think you can be super smart and solve it then like. good luck

 

[BetsySundrop]

Tae never actually voted for shawo though? Could it not have been a bluff? Not implying anything, just asking your opinion

It was shawo offering to flip to vote tae. You know there is a really funny post from shawo eod d1. I'll find it.

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Found the funny post from d1 eod. It's post #362, pg 19.

Tae, if you think Trent is town - is mafia leading the vote on them?

I'm pretty sure this is a natural bw that formed. So do you think this was manufactured by maf to kill Trent?

Looking back, yeah, that's exactly what that was!

 

[tae]

Now ok, im not going to be on today since I have a lot of work to do, then school work, then I have to serve at my school tonight so idk if I’ll be able to stay active but I’ll try to say one thing real quick.

If I was maf, do you think I would be told to do this bad? Like all of my posts have either been me just talking or trying to explain things. Like, I can see shawo/sidney but I don’t know really know. At the time I’m writing this there’s one vote for me and one for Sidney (Tessa grace took their vote back) so I’m probably going to vote for Sidney, but unless something changes idk

u can play terribly and still be mafia just like u can play terribly and be town.

 

[Sidney]

Looking back, yeah, that's exactly what that was!

oh my god

 

[tae]

Tae never actually voted for shawo though? Could it not have been a bluff? Not implying anything, just asking your opinion

????

vvvvvv ???

##Vote: Shawo

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i waited to vote him until i heard his argument? but once he said "im not cop but what if sheeps lying?" i voted him bc thats stupid LOL