Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[BetsySundrop]

thinking logistic wise why killing tessa was the most optimal here.

i have a few theories but it's a lot of tin foiling honestly.

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and with betsy's new "ok time to tunnel tae" some of them seem a lot more likely now.

This is interesting. What do you expect me to do? Just assume it's sidney? Sorry, no can do. And if reevaluating you means you flip to an omgus on me, well, I can't help that. I gotta look at both of you.

 

[Sidney]

thinking logistic wise why killing tessa was the most optimal here.

i have a few theories but it's a lot of tin foiling honestly.

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and with betsy's new "ok time to tunnel tae" some of them seem a lot more likely now.

I think it's just because tessa gives us the least information out of anyone; I'll have to look back I believe all 3 of us thought she was town. Though, if it wouldn't have been her that would've been really interesting, I think

I'm interested in these theories, though

 

[tae]

This is interesting. What do you expect me to do? Just assume it's sidney? Sorry, no can do. And if reevaluating you means you flip to an omgus on me, well, I can't help that. I gotta look at both of you.

you're awfully defensive over one question homie. i just simply asked a question.

 

[BetsySundrop]

the way you said it sounded real scummy is why i asked.
bc you went from a "well maybe its sidney or maybe its random" to an immediate "ok time to tunnel tae instead"

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yall have any thoughts on why it was tessa?

Not exactly how it went, but ok.

 

[Sidney]

This is interesting. What do you expect me to do? Just assume it's sidney? Sorry, no can do. And if reevaluating you means you flip to an omgus on me, well, I can't help that. I gotta look at both of you.

I think this is the wisest move; I'll be looking into both of you as well
Even though I've mostly been sus of you (betsy) I'm not comfortable just leaving it at that

I still have low confidence in my theories but at this point I trust myself more than both of you, so I need to make the arguments for both sides of both of you to myself

 

[BetsySundrop]

you're awfully defensive over one question homie. i just simply asked a question.

Yeah, that's not gonna work on me. I gave a simple answer- I'm gonna look at both, not just assume it's one.

 

[tae]

I think it's just because tessa gives us the least information out of anyone; I'll have to look back I believe all 3 of us thought she was town. Though, if it wouldn't have been her that would've been really interesting, I think

I'm interested in these theories, though

i mean, tessa was predominantly townread by all of us i'd say.
she was also on board with my sus on you too, which feeds my d3 maf!sidney feelings.
but also, betsy so angry today already my neck is snapped from whiplash.

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Yeah, that's not gonna work on me. I gave a simple answer- I'm gonna look at both, not just assume it's one.

i legit never asked you to assume anything...?
i asked a question and you're overtly aggressive.

 

[Sidney]

i mean, tessa was predominantly townread by all of us i'd say.

so...that would mean killing her would give us the least direction as to who it is, no? I know yesterday you said you thought I had thought too much about this when I said it was the most likely outcome but genuinely i don't see how this isn't obvious. If there's something else I'm supposed to be picking up on that comes with experience though please enlighten me

she was also on board with my sus on you too, which feeds my d3 maf!sidney feelings.

I mean, I could see why this. But I genuinely think it was just because she gives us the least amount of information for today

but also, betsy so angry today already my neck is snapped from whiplash.

I didn't really think betsy was angry..

 

[BetsySundrop]

I think this is the wisest move; I'll be looking into both of you as well
Even though I've mostly been sus of you (betsy) I'm not comfortable just leaving it at that

I still have low confidence in my theories but at this point I trust myself more than both of you, so I need to make the arguments for both sides of both of you to myself

Agree. That's what we all need to do. I know it's not me, so I'll try to answer any arguments for me. I'll also try to outline my arguments and post questions for you both to answer, too. And everyone should be able to answer without being afraid of looking "scummy" for defending themselves. Cuz that's not helpful.

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but also, betsy so angry today already my neck is snapped from whiplash.

I think I've been pretty reasonable. I have no anger, lol.

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As for why tessa, I agree. She was townread by all three of us, so no information could be gained. It's similar to starlit, who also didn't leave much info.

 

[tae]

so...that would mean killing her would give us the least direction as to who it is, no? I know yesterday you said you thought I had thought too much about this when I said it was the most likely outcome but genuinely i don't see how this isn't obvious. If there's something else I'm supposed to be picking up on that comes with experience though please enlighten me

I mean, I could see why this. But I genuinely think it was just because she gives us the least amount of information for today

I didn't really think betsy was angry..

tin foil hat here for yalls viewing pleasure.

i mean, granted how d3 ended a tessa kill can make sense in a lot of different ways though outside of townreads.

tessa dying could =

- bc she supported me yesterday in my push on sidney. which could be argued that sidney killed tessa to give betsy the chance to tunnel me instead and save herself. (maf!sidney)

- bc she supported me d3 against sidney, and killing me last night would have been too obvious since i was the one who built the push in the middle of the day so killing my supporter evens the playing field w/ betsy still alive. (maf!sidney)

- bc its actually betsy and betsy can choose to push for sidney (bc im sus of sidney) or push for me and sidney votes me out of self-preservation. (maf!betsy)

// but also on the contrary to that one if it was betsy, killing sidney last night would have been an easy move to make bc if she flipped green then, all the sus could be pushed onto me anyway. (maf!betsy)




in hindsight, the night kill actually has me questioning my sidney sus and i agree i think we should all look into each other and not just death push previous feeling from d3, like i agree with yall there. i've never been in f3 before and i gotta say this seems painful already with the amount of tinfoiling my brain is doing just 57 mins in.

 

[BetsySundrop]

// but also on the contrary to that one if it was betsy, killing sidney last night would have been an easy move to make bc if she flipped green then, all the sus could be pushed onto me anyway. (maf!betsy)

I don't understand this one? Are you saying if it was maf!betsy, sidney would have been a better nk?

If it were maf!betsy, I could have easily gone along with the sidney votes yesterday. So I don't understand this theory, sorry, no offense meant.

Here's more tinfoil to chew on, though:

If it's maf!sidney, leaving tessa and tae alive would be a disaster, so low info tessa was nk, and betsy was less sus of sidney than either tae/tessa, so left alive

If it's maf!tae, leaving sidney/betsy alive does two things- leaves one town (sidney) with their biggest sus (me) alive to possibly target each other, and also would allow maf!tae to switch targets to betsy in the beginning of the day, hoping sidney would follow along.

Tinfoil...

 

[Sidney]

tin foil hat here for yalls viewing pleasure.

i mean, granted how d3 ended a tessa kill can make sense in a lot of different ways though outside of townreads.

tessa dying could =

- bc she supported me yesterday in my push on sidney. which could be argued that sidney killed tessa to give betsy the chance to tunnel me instead and save herself. (maf!sidney)

- bc she supported me d3 against sidney, and killing me last night would have been too obvious since i was the one who built the push in the middle of the day so killing my supporter evens the playing field w/ betsy still alive. (maf!sidney)

it's not me, so, i obviously disagree with these (at least on the basis that they could be true) but

- bc its actually betsy and betsy can choose to push for sidney (bc im sus of sidney) or push for me and sidney votes me out of self-preservation. (maf!betsy)

// but also on the contrary to that one if it was betsy, killing sidney last night would have been an easy move to make bc if she flipped green then, all the sus could be pushed onto me anyway. (maf!betsy)

I don't feel like if it was betsy I would've died. I've had betsy on my sus list like..the whole game. I feel like that would've just led to betsy been exposed easy, esp with tessa being so town read. I could see the first but, on the other hand, the same can be said if it was maf!tae.

maf!tae could kill off tessa and then continue placing sus on me. if betsy is town, there's enough chance they'd follow with enough pressure. on the other hand, maf!tae could think i would be an easy enough town to trick and with me already having suspicions on betsy, that i would follow.

overall, i don't think we really get much information out of the nightkill, at least at this point in time. There could be more reasons but overall I think it boils down to what the rest of the nightkills were: a town kill that gives us as little information as possible. (Again, if this is just inexperience talking then please enlighten me)

in hindsight, the night kill actually has me questioning my sidney sus and i agree i think we should all look into each other and not just death push previous feeling from d3, like i agree with yall there. i've never been in f3 before and i gotta say this seems painful already with the amount of tinfoiling my brain is doing just 57 mins in.

same, i will get on my arguments tonight but i feel i need a bit to like. refresh my brain and look at it with fresh eyes and full attention. Going to try to relook at posts though and get preliminary thoughts down for myself

 

[BetsySundrop]

Man...there's a lot to go through, might take some time to get these together. I'll try to get mine done by tomorrow evening though.

 

[Sidney]

getting my thoughts out is similarly taking me a minute but i want to bring back this hilarious (at least to me) exchange for entertainment purposes (for now)

Tae, if you think Trent is town - is mafia leading the vote on them?

I'm pretty sure this is a natural bw that formed. So do you think this was manufactured by maf to kill Trent?

That would be you leading the vote....hmmm

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there is...so many of these and it keeps entertaining me

shawo def made this game interesting to say the least

 

[tae]

I don't understand this one? Are you saying if it was maf!betsy, sidney would have been a better nk?

If it's maf!tae, leaving sidney/betsy alive does two things- leaves one town (sidney) with their biggest sus (me) alive to possibly target each other, and also would allow maf!tae to switch targets to betsy in the beginning of the day, hoping sidney would follow along.

Tinfoil...

i'm saying its possible that if sid died last night it would give more ammo for you to push me, or for tessa to push me based on my d3 case i built on sidney (if she died last night and ended up flipping green).

i feel like the easier setup if i was maf!tae would be to keep tessa alive and kill you tho?
like, tessa was on my side with the maf!sidney d3 case. like it would be so much easier to keep tessa alive to push with me than it would be to convince you of all people to sheep with me. no offense, betsy you're spicy and that would be a stupid move on my part if i actually was mafia. plus you even said at the end of d3 you'd have to reevaluate EVERYONE in f3. keeping you alive would be stupid from a maf!tae perspective, but that's just my viewpoint on that. i feel like tessa dying with you me and sidney gives maf!sidney more wiggle room if that makes sense? bc she could build a case on you in hopes it convinces me or she knew you'd tinfoil me and potentially vote me instead.

it's not me, so, i obviously disagree with these (at least on the basis that they could be true) but

I don't feel like if it was betsy I would've died. I've had betsy on my sus list like..the whole game. I feel like that would've just led to betsy been exposed easy, esp with tessa being so town read. I could see the first but, on the other hand, the same can be said if it was maf!tae.

maf!tae could kill off tessa and then continue placing sus on me. if betsy is town, there's enough chance they'd follow with enough pressure. on the other hand, maf!tae could think i would be an easy enough town to trick and with me already having suspicions on betsy, that i would follow.

i mean, i guess so but i did say d3 you're still my #1 going into today.
but like i told betsy- from a logical standpoint, i feel like maf!tae killing tessa would be foolish. like tessa agreed with me on my reads, why would i kill my most townread player + someone who shared my sus on you? it would be infinitely easier to have killed betsy and left tessa alive to help push you?

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getting my thoughts out is similarly taking me a minute but i want to bring back this hilarious (at least to me) exchange for entertainment purposes (for now)

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there is...so many of these and it keeps entertaining me

shawo def made this game interesting to say the least

shawo is so fun to play with but i want to choke him out every time we play honestly.
that man is the embodiment of chaos.

 

[Sidney]

i'm saying its possible that if sid died last night it would give more ammo for you to push me, or for tessa to push me based on my d3 case i built on sidney (if she died last night and ended up flipping green).

i feel like the easier setup if i was maf!tae would be to keep tessa alive and kill you tho?
like, tessa was on my side with the maf!sidney d3 case. like it would be so much easier to keep tessa alive to push with me than it would be to convince you of all people to sheep with me. no offense, betsy you're spicy and that would be a stupid move on my part if i actually was mafia. plus you even said at the end of d3 you'd have to reevaluate EVERYONE in f3. keeping you alive would be stupid from a maf!tae perspective, but that's just my viewpoint on that. i feel like tessa dying with you me and sidney gives maf!sidney more wiggle room if that makes sense? bc she could build a case on you in hopes it convinces me or she knew you'd tinfoil me and potentially vote me instead.




i mean, i guess so but i did say d3 you're still my #1 going into today.
but like i told betsy- from a logical standpoint, i feel like maf!tae killing tessa would be foolish. like tessa agreed with me on my reads, why would i kill my most townread player + someone who shared my sus on you? it would be infinitely easier to have killed betsy and left tessa alive to help push you?

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I feel like it goes all ways with the nightkill and ultimately does boil down to- it gives us the least amount of info. Assume it's maf!tae, then you could have killed tessa to make this exact argument and pressure me into going forward with my betsy sus. It would give maf!all of us more wiggle room to convince each other, no? Which is why I want to be certain of my own right. Or at least believe myself enough I'm willing to go down with it

shawo is so fun to play with but i want to choke him out every time we play honestly.
that man is the embodiment of chaos.

i remember them being super chaotic in the other game too. i have to wonder if this exact f3 was planned too to make it the most confusing, but that may be pushing it

 

[tae]

I feel like it goes all ways with the nightkill and ultimately does boil down to- it gives us the least amount of info. Assume it's maf!tae, then you could have killed tessa to make this exact argument and pressure me into going forward with my betsy sus. It would give maf!all of us more wiggle room to convince each other, no? Which is why I want to be certain of my own right. Or at least believe myself enough I'm willing to go down with it

i remember them being super chaotic in the other game too. i have to wonder if this exact f3 was planned too to make it the most confusing, but that may be pushing it

i mean thats pretty logical too. we can read it about 100 different ways it feels.
i look forward to every one's cases honestly. i feel we've all been super passive this game until now and id like to really see peoples hard pressed thoughts.

 

[Sidney]

ok quick question real quick because i've just been assuming the meaning but i don't want to be assuming wrong; what is a townslip? it is not on the google as far as i can see

 

[tae]

ok quick question real quick because i've just been assuming the meaning but i don't want to be assuming wrong; what is a townslip? it is not on the google as far as i can see

its mechanical way of someone saying something that proves they're town based off game mechanics. kinda harder to do in forum mafia but it's basically a question someone can ask that's just kinda of an obvious game mechanic a new town ask about / say? kinda like "how would mafia talk to each other, do they have a private chat?" or something like that could be considered a townslip.

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im super tired i don't know how to explain it well. forgive me

 

[Sidney]

its mechanical way of someone saying something that proves they're town based off game mechanics. kinda harder to do in forum mafia but it's basically a question someone can ask that's just kinda of an obvious game mechanic a new town ask about / say? kinda like "how would mafia talk to each other, do they have a private chat?" or something like that could be considered a townslip.

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im super tired i don't know how to explain it well. forgive me

gotcha