Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[tae]

im very tired from work, but this is my iso on betsy currently, please bear with me-


betsy's overall feel d1 is very transparent.
comes out the gates with a "hi im the vampire! what monster is everyone" which feels weird to me but role names are just flavor so acting isn't inherently wolfy imo, but kinda straight forward.

Talk about feeling bad for the poor werewolf....

Vampire Betsy, ready to play and find those demented werewolf killers.

one of the first real interraction w/ shawo was this:

Speaking about bait - it's interesting that no one's jumped on the Sidney read at all. I mean everyone's observed the fact that Sidney hasn't made any posts/content, but it's interesting that no one is quick to jump on one read or another.

and betsy replied with this:

Sorry to disappoint, but I was feeling sidney as more townie.

not much comes from the back and forth.

some of betsy's first reads were here: town leaning shawo, not sus of sidney but not townread either, also not down to vote sidney d1.

Shawo- I'm reading shawo as town lean ish. I realize how it looks with the push for shawo/betsy team (town team, sure), but I think shawo is following the same pushing techniques as in the other game we were in. I'm confused with why sidney reads the sidney maf/discuss as anything other than a tactic to generate activity at that time. Also confused as to why sidney keeps referring to it as a betsy/shawo convo when it was several people asking/answering if we HAD to vote questions. (I understand tunneling, but maybe go back to take a look at that entire conversation). Dunno....seems shawo isn't tunneling, but more throwing stuff out.

Sidney- gotta be honest, not a fan of the edited posts (three of them), but just gonna assume it was accidental, as I'm limited to mobile, and it's easy to make mistakes. I read sidney town lean at first, mostly for activity, and I think the shawo push might be just a bit of omgus, maybe? I don't think I see any sus teamwork, and I truly understand the questioning of what/how much to post as everything is seen as sus. I wouldn't vote sidney today.

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betsy was super big on creating space when lumped in w/ shawo d1. i think theres like, at least 2 or 3 of these types of post iirc.

I will say - if trent flips town, maybe shoulda done more to defend?

It's for sure not a shawo/betsy team unless you're talking town, lol..

a lot of "got it" posts and the tinfoil stuff i already touched base on but ended up dropping d2 after re-reading it so i will not be reading into those again. ANYWAY.

tessa made a comment like "betsy you're really on the defensive side right now"
and betsy replied with:

Well yeah, I'm town. I'm gonna do my best and not give up. I'll respond to any questions anyone has. I don't mind being voted out IF I think I'm leaving behind enough info. So d2 I do plan to ask a ton of questions and give lots of pushback.

she's also big on the rebuttal of "im down to die if you wanna vote me, it'll give more info, however it's bad to lose a town" stance.

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starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive and she thinks its me bc she's the perfect fall guy.
sidney responds with "i also have to question why the nk wasn't you with your comment of 'you know who it is'" post from EOD 1.
but betsy says "It's obvious why I wasn't killed. Trent's final It's betsy/shawo message. Plus you and tae sussing me. I'm the perfect fall guy/ d2 target. I don't like it, but it's good strategy on their part."


d2 is when betsy starts to town-lean sidney for FOS shawo.

sidney under the post but not replying chimes in with a "betsy / tae are who i can see being teammates w/ shawo"


betsy makes the comment that after shawo is inspected and sheep tells us hes mafia that betsy was completely folded up and pocketed by shawo. don't know if that's a "oh im embarassed how could this happen" or a "ahahahahah my mafia partner fake pocketed my town-seeming self"

seems like a very town!betsy thing to say, it *feels* organic to read over if that makes sense.
and knowing shawo like i do, its a very shawo thing to do.


// betsy once again says shes less sus of me now and doesnt believe it me.
but also immediately under says she doesnt believe its sidney either.

so she pivots and looks into random and tessa.
which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.
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side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me

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starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive and she thinks its me bc she's the perfect fall guy.
sidney responds with "i also have to question why the nk wasn't you with your comment of 'you know who it is'" post from EOD 1.
but betsy says "It's obvious why I wasn't killed. Trent's final It's betsy/shawo message. Plus you and tae sussing me. I'm the perfect fall guy/ d2 target. I don't like it, but it's good strategy on their part."


d2 is when betsy starts to town-lean sidney for FOS shawo.

sidney under the post but not replying chimes in with a "betsy / tae are who i can see being teammates w/ shawo"


betsy makes the comment that after shawo is inspected and sheep tells us hes mafia that betsy was completely folded up and pocketed by shawo. don't know if that's a "oh im embarassed how could this happen" or a "ahahahahah my mafia partner fake pocketed my town-seeming self"

seems like a very town!betsy thing to say, it *feels* organic to read over if that makes sense.
and knowing shawo like i do, its a very shawo thing to do.


// betsy once again says shes less sus of me now and doesnt believe it me.
but also immediately under says she doesnt believe its sidney either.

so she pivots and looks into random and tessa.
which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.
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side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me
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starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive and she thinks its me bc she's the perfect fall guy.
sidney responds with "i also have to question why the nk wasn't you with your comment of 'you know who it is'" post from EOD 1.
but betsy says "It's obvious why I wasn't killed. Trent's final It's betsy/shawo message. Plus you and tae sussing me. I'm the perfect fall guy/ d2 target. I don't like it, but it's good strategy on their part."


d2 is when betsy starts to town-lean sidney for FOS shawo.

sidney under the post but not replying chimes in with a "betsy / tae are who i can see being teammates w/ shawo"


betsy makes the comment that after shawo is inspected and sheep tells us hes mafia that betsy was completely folded up and pocketed by shawo. don't know if that's a "oh im embarassed how could this happen" or a "ahahahahah my mafia partner fake pocketed my town-seeming self"

seems like a very town!betsy thing to say, it *feels* organic to read over if that makes sense.
and knowing shawo like i do, its a very shawo thing to do.


// betsy once again says shes less sus of me now and doesnt believe it me.
but also immediately under says she doesnt believe its sidney either.

so she pivots and looks into random and tessa.
which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.

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side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me
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betsy kinda ends on "its random or tessa due to poe."
but it sticks on random until the bitter end and tessa isn't really ever under fire after shawo bleeds.

d3 is mostly like "ehh kidna sus but like ima stick with random"


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overall thoughts, because my brain is hurting and this is painful.
Betsy doesn't come across as uber scummy.
her tinfoils got her into trouble but i don't feel like tinfoiling is anti-town if anything it shows she's thinking outside the box.

my biggest gut feeling about betsy is that she get too locked onto one person (and by person i mean random) and just isnt able to to let it go. i can relate to that though, and the most anti-town thing i've really seen her do is tunnel an inactive for the fear of them ending up in f3..


i gotta keep reading some now but this is really long and where im at right now, i wanna cry because i thought isoing her id find something worth pushing but so far i'm at a loss and i'm screaming inside.

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this is making my stomach hurt lol

tae, are you going to be making any arguments tonight?

betsy, are you leaning towards either of us?

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regardless of which of you it is i will give you that you are very smart and sneaky

so many moves here that both do and don’t seem to make sense for mafia on both of you

I’m thinking more talking will give less room for the mafia to hide at this point, but I feel we’ve covered so many of the talking points already. At least the ones I can think up

i was typing my wall of text pls forgive me. im sobbing into my twisted tea as we speak

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the most obnoxious thing is that all of us has sussed at least each other once since today, some more than others, but like, we've all been in a thinking circle one time or another w/ everyone present.

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i will not be available at EOD due to being in session w/ my client at 4pm MT.
so from that transparent standpoint- i will be voting before leaving for work tomorrow and there's nothing i can do to change that and i'm scared ****less that some big "ah-HA" moment will happen while i'm unavailable. the latest i can check the thread before starting is like 2:50pm MT. which is like an hour and 10min before EOD..

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i just realize my post copied the same pragraph like 3 times... sorry yall.

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it doesn't help that outside of random, 2/3 of the people here had no strong reads on anyone else d3.


both yall had some interesting shawo interactions, but i think it's way more likely that shawo would pocket the hell out betsy, and it honestly reads like it after knowing he flipped mafia. and if this is the biggest 10000 IQ plan from maf!shawo/maf!betsy combo and trent actually called it before he died- i'm never playing mafia again. i will eat my own socks.

i still feel it in my gut, and if maf!betsy played me like a fiddle i will accept my fate, but i'm holding true to my d3 sidney sus.

 

[Sidney]

I’m tired as heck

I will also not be available eod; i have class at 3:30 central

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im very tired from work, but this is my iso on betsy currently, please bear with me-


betsy's overall feel d1 is very transparent.
comes out the gates with a "hi im the vampire! what monster is everyone" which feels weird to me but role names are just flavor so acting isn't inherently wolfy imo, but kinda straight forward.

is it weird? we were told in the opening role names has nothing to do with it

one of the first real interraction w/ shawo was this:

and betsy replied with this:


not much comes from the back and forth.

some of betsy's first reads were here: town leaning shawo, not sus of sidney but not townread either, also not down to vote sidney d1.


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betsy was super big on creating space when lumped in w/ shawo d1. i think theres like, at least 2 or 3 of these types of post iirc.

but the you don’t think it was a maf tactic, correct?

a lot of "got it" posts and the tinfoil stuff i already touched base on but ended up dropping d2 after re-reading it so i will not be reading into those again. ANYWAY.

tessa made a comment like "betsy you're really on the defensive side right now"
and betsy replied with:



she's also big on the rebuttal of "im down to die if you wanna vote me, it'll give more info, however it's bad to lose a town" stance.

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starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive and she thinks its me bc she's the perfect fall guy.
sidney responds with "i also have to question why the nk wasn't you with your comment of 'you know who it is'" post from EOD 1.
but betsy says "It's obvious why I wasn't killed. Trent's final It's betsy/shawo message. Plus you and tae sussing me. I'm the perfect fall guy/ d2 target. I don't like it, but it's good strategy on their part."


d2 is when betsy starts to town-lean sidney for FOS shawo.

sidney under the post but not replying chimes in with a "betsy / tae are who i can see being teammates w/ shawo"

it makes me so mad this is who ended up being in f3 for this reason man

betsy makes the comment that after shawo is inspected and sheep tells us hes mafia that betsy was completely folded up and pocketed by shawo. don't know if that's a "oh im embarassed how could this happen" or a "ahahahahah my mafia partner fake pocketed my town-seeming self"

seems like a very town!betsy thing to say, it *feels* organic to read over if that makes sense.
and knowing shawo like i do, its a very shawo thing to do.

i do not know shawo so i’ll take your word for it but imm not sure if im sold thats what was happening

// betsy once again says shes less sus of me now and doesnt believe it me.
but also immediately under says she doesnt believe its sidney either.

so she pivots and looks into random and tessa.
which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.
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side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me

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starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive and she thinks its me bc she's the perfect fall guy.
sidney responds with "i also have to question why the nk wasn't you with your comment of 'you know who it is'" post from EOD 1.
but betsy says "It's obvious why I wasn't killed. Trent's final It's betsy/shawo message. Plus you and tae sussing me. I'm the perfect fall guy/ d2 target. I don't like it, but it's good strategy on their part."

yeah, i thought if betsy somehow wasn’t mafia, they’d be killed to give two easy targets. (though thinking more i guess that may have veen too obvious?) However, since one of you two IS mafia, it’s obvious why that didnnt happen.

d2 is when betsy starts to town-lean sidney for FOS shawo.

sidney under the post but not replying chimes in with a "betsy / tae are who i can see being teammates w/ shawo"


betsy makes the comment that after shawo is inspected and sheep tells us hes mafia that betsy was completely folded up and pocketed by shawo. don't know if that's a "oh im embarassed how could this happen" or a "ahahahahah my mafia partner fake pocketed my town-seeming self"

seems like a very town!betsy thing to say, it *feels* organic to read over if that makes sense.
and knowing shawo like i do, its a very shawo thing to do.


// betsy once again says shes less sus of me now and doesnt believe it me.
but also immediately under says she doesnt believe its sidney either.

so she pivots and looks into random and tessa.
which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.
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side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me
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starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive and she thinks its me bc she's the perfect fall guy.
sidney responds with "i also have to question why the nk wasn't you with your comment of 'you know who it is'" post from EOD 1.
but betsy says "It's obvious why I wasn't killed. Trent's final It's betsy/shawo message. Plus you and tae sussing me. I'm the perfect fall guy/ d2 target. I don't like it, but it's good strategy on their part."


d2 is when betsy starts to town-lean sidney for FOS shawo.

sidney under the post but not replying chimes in with a "betsy / tae are who i can see being teammates w/ shawo"


betsy makes the comment that after shawo is inspected and sheep tells us hes mafia that betsy was completely folded up and pocketed by shawo. don't know if that's a "oh im embarassed how could this happen" or a "ahahahahah my mafia partner fake pocketed my town-seeming self"

seems like a very town!betsy thing to say, it *feels* organic to read over if that makes sense.
and knowing shawo like i do, its a very shawo thing to do.


// betsy once again says shes less sus of me now and doesnt believe it me.
but also immediately under says she doesnt believe its sidney either.

so she pivots and looks into random and tessa.
which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.

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side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me
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betsy kinda ends on "its random or tessa due to poe."
but it sticks on random until the bitter end and tessa isn't really ever under fire after shawo bleeds.

d3 is mostly like "ehh kidna sus but like ima stick with random"


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overall thoughts, because my brain is hurting and this is painful.
Betsy doesn't come across as uber scummy.
her tinfoils got her into trouble but i don't feel like tinfoiling is anti-town if anything it shows she's thinking outside the box.

my biggest gut feeling about betsy is that she get too locked onto one person (and by person i mean random) and just isnt able to to let it go. i can relate to that though, and the most anti-town thing i've really seen her do is tunnel an inactive for the fear of them ending up in f3..

i don’t see how this is anti town…
random would’ve been so easy for mafia to manipulate today

i gotta keep reading some now but this is really long and where im at right now, i wanna cry because i thought isoing her id find something worth pushing but so far i'm at a loss and i'm screaming inside.

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i was typing my wall of text pls forgive me. im sobbing into my twisted tea as we speak

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the most obnoxious thing is that all of us has sussed at least each other once since today, some more than others, but like, we've all been in a thinking circle one time or another w/ everyone present.

YEAH. awful. awful awful awful

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i will not be available at EOD due to being in session w/ my client at 4pm MT.
so from that transparent standpoint- i will be voting before leaving for work tomorrow and there's nothing i can do to change that and i'm scared ****less that some big "ah-HA" moment will happen while i'm unavailable. the latest i can check the thread before starting is like 2:50pm MT. which is like an hour and 10min before EOD..

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i just realize my post copied the same pragraph like 3 times... sorry yall.

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it doesn't help that outside of random, 2/3 of the people here had no strong reads on anyone else d3.


both yall had some interesting shawo interactions, but i think it's way more likely that shawo would pocket the hell out betsy, and it honestly reads like it after knowing he flipped mafia. and if this is the biggest 10000 IQ plan from maf!shawo/maf!betsy combo and trent actually called it before he died- i'm never playing mafia again. i will eat my own socks.

i still feel it in my gut, and if maf!betsy played me like a fiddle i will accept my fate, but i'm holding true to my d3 sidney sus.

interesting, okay
I mean i can’t really fault you for sticking true to it, but do you have any reason to actually sus me? Unless I misread you only really gave reasons you don’t think it’s betsy

personally If I don’t get this right I’m going to like sob and eat plastic or something

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Tbh

I almost want to stick to it and say it’s still betsy just because wouldn’t it be cool as HECK if my first guess was correct

But I feel like my argument even to myself both ways is held up by strings rn and I do NOT want to just go with it; I wish for something more solid

Here’s my thought process for both. I want to clarify I’m not arguing either of these are true on their own; this is just how I’m still seeing mafia lines of action for both of you; sorry if they’re scrambled it’s late

maf!betsy - betsy/shawo team got nervous because i got it right somehow (and then especially with trent dying and tae ALSO sussing betsy) and so the distance was all planned for extra chaos. Play along with me to get me to get my guard down and count on me not having a good argument and tae sticking to their “gut sus” on me and get a town out final day. vote random because you know it’s a coin flip between the two and I’m likely to read the action as helping town. only one read for the final two days so as to be able to flip between what will help mafia win

maf!tae - the jokingly voting shawo added easy defense for later days and NOT voting trent was because of inside info after all. disagree with shawo’s opinions and create distance; vote him only when it’s no longer possible to not justify doing so. Try to get random in the f3 for an easy win; place final suspicions on the two newest players with the least confidence; the easiest town targets. Final suspicions are now already planned and no need to justify too much

 

[tae]

@Sidney

i can see small bits that could be seen as both maf!betsy / town!betsy. and while there’s some things i don’t 100% agree with they don’t scream mafia.


maybe shawo got into my head and my gut feelings are so polar due to his mf chaos he stirred up but i’m hoping my revisit tomorrow morning helps me see things better.


the role name thing isn’t sus i’m just not used to seeing it thrown out so quickly? like some games ive played i think they mattered so seeing them thrown out (even tho this game is just flavor) was a quick “wth?” moment for me.


my biggest reason for sticking with you is that the majority of what i read with betsy/shawo reads more organically than some of yours and shawos. and i know i pushed betsy a bit d1 but none of that sus on her was super damning?

i also feel like i’m partly biased too bc tessa had sus on you too and to know another townie had felt the same strong case on you that i did made me feel like i wasn’t grasping at straws and that the things i felt and felt from you were valid.

i’ve yet to see a real strong case built on betsy and i feel like that’s bc there isn’t a whole lot to pick at. minus the random tunnel, which is super clear why she’d not want him in f3. i was just certain it would be you flipping red over him that i was willing to chance it. and i still feel that way.

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wanna eat plastic together?


also where are you leaning more towards?

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just saw your post merge ignore me. i’m on mobile

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maf!betsy - betsy/shawo team got nervous because i got it right somehow (and then especially with trent dying and tae ALSO sussing betsy) and so the distance was all planned for extra chaos. Play along with me to get me to get my guard down and count on me not having a good argument and tae sticking to their “gut sus” on me and get a town out final day. vote random because you know it’s a coin flip between the two and I’m likely to read the action as helping town. only one read for the final two days so as to be able to flip between what will help mafia win

ok when looked at like this, this makes sense. the pocketing argument when thinking about it like this is- yeah i can see that potentially.

internal bias has me screaming this can be viewed as a long con both ways. (maf!betsy long con with maf!shawo, and also a good argument for a long con maf!aidney/maf!shawo team too.) everything is gray pls kill me.

maf!tae - the jokingly voting shawo added easy defense for later days and NOT voting trent was because of inside info after all. disagree with shawo’s opinions and create distance; vote him only when it’s no longer possible to not justify doing so. Try to get random in the f3 for an easy win; place final suspicions on the two newest players with the least confidence; the easiest town targets. Final suspicions are now already planned and no need to justify too much

to be fair, i stand by my word. we should just kill shawo d1 bc we can. he deserves it. òvó
but to be fair i didn’t actually vote him- just said we should bc off the cuff funny haha.

no insider info, just trusted trent’s meta. even if he’s a hard first read after not playing together for years.

hypothetically if i was really maf!tae though, and wanted random in f3 that badly for an easy f3, i would have pushed betsy harder at eod 3 to stop her tunnel on random and to sway her vote to you instead? why would i wanna suffer through a f3 with the hardest player in the game to sway. that would be suicide for maf!tae and i don’t hate myself enough to try that kind of risk. i just wanna kill mafia and gloat to shawo that he lost again.

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also to be fair, if sheep inspected anyone other than shawo and they were mafia, i still wouldn’t vote them until proven the person inspected had no cc / viable defense.

i’ve seen fake cop claims before and although it’s less likely to believe the cc it’s still worth hearing the defense before voting. (and it doesn’t apply in this game but some games allow hammering which is also why hearing the defense is worth it, even if it’s not believable.)

 

[BetsySundrop]

Going through this morning and have a few things I spotted that were posted that I wanted to clarify

starting d2 ish, betsy claims shes shocked she alive

So...this is not true. I do not think I ever said I was shocked to be alive. If you could quote the post or maybe provide a post #? I gotta see it to believe it, lol.

Oh and wanted to explain why on this one, even though it's a null-

she's also big on the rebuttal of "im down to die if you wanna vote me, it'll give more info, however it's bad to lose a town" stance.

In a game where we still have a detective, if I'm gonna get voted out early in the game, I think "better me than the det" so while I'll do my best to show I'm town, I'd rather not push the vote onto a target that might be the det. And if I'm being pushed, my death and town flip might at least be helpful.

which then leads into her random tunnel she never broke until he was eliminated.

True on this. I was def convinced of random, based on too many odd things.

side note: the meme clap backs at shawo towards his EOD elim is still so ****ing funny to me

Ty!

anti-town thing i've really seen her do is tunnel an inactive for the fear of them ending up in f3..

Lol, this may be considered anti town by some, but I'm keeping it. Inactives, or low activity....if they aren't gonna be replaced beginning d2, pfft, choppity chop time.

And I might start a 'chop the inactives' campaign. I can't stand trying to figure that mess out late in the game...

most obnoxious thing is that all of us has sussed at least each other once since today, some more than others, but like, we've all been in a thinking circle one time or another w/ everyone present.

I think it's good we're all doing this! Even if we screw it up, at least deadtown knows how/why we came to the decisions we did.

Sidney's summary of potential maf lines of action for me/tae all make sense. The only one I disagreed with was

maf!betsy - betsy/shawo team got nervous because i got it right somehow (and then especially with trent dying and tae ALSO sussing betsy) and so the distance was all planned for extra chaos.

I don't understand the distance? My big embarrassment was I had shawo town right up til sheep's claim...?

As eod will be just me, alone with my anxiety, I'll try to have everything posted early as I can to give time to respond.

Where I'm currently at-

Things that still bother me about sidney for town/maf - that dang prepped list with the inconsistency! Stupid, I know, but lost my last town game - because the person who showed up with the prepped reads including the nk just couldn't be maf- yep, they were, so that one tiny inconsistency, which sidney explained, bugs me. However!

What bugs me more- shawo picking you for his activity/rxn bait on d1, and actually voting you, and actually leaving that vote unchanged right up to 2 hours before eod when he switched to trent (yes, I checked, am that paranoid).
With det in the game, it's possible shawo was creating distance from the start. And with shawo posting things like "do you think maf is leading the vote on trent" when he was the one leading the vote...psh, anything is possible with shawo.
But - would this be something a new player would agree to? I guess shawo could strongly persuade them....but I just don't think it would be the more likely scenario? If I'm wrong, good strategy....

What I need to check before voting- going to reread the sidney arguments from tae/tessa, try to pinpoint exactly when/why it went from 'gotta be random' to 'gotta be sidney' on tessa's part. Also want to read more of what was posted after that by sidney in reaction to the two votes d3.

The sidney push d3 also bugged me when I realized if sidney flipped town, it would leave random in f3, which was imo definitely not town friendly. It seemed like that could be the goal, so didn't sit right.

Right now I'm leaning more toward voting tae, so if I've got it wrong tae, please bring the logic, because I want to get it right.

(If it is sidney, and I vote tae, tessa will kill me. If it's tae, and I vote sidney, it's all tessa's fault.)

 

[Sidney]

just woke up; got to get to class but will respond on the bus and after class

betsy are you still talking about the fact that i said “all i had for starlit was not enough info”

i posted it after the numbered list (which was numbered because i made it in my phone notes app since my computer was being finicky)

And then I opened the thread to double check and make sure the night kill didn’t affect my reads (in which i wouldn’t have posted and reevaulated. like, for example, if you had been the night kill)

It felt weird posting as if I hadn’t read the starting post when I…Did? So I went back and edited to reflect that I had read the nightkill post, but it didn’t affect anything, and my stance on the nk was the same as the day before

 

[BetsySundrop]

just woke up; got to get to class but will respond on the bus and after class

betsy are you still talking about the fact that i said “all i had for starlit was not enough info”

i posted it after the numbered list (which was numbered because i made it in my phone notes app since my computer was being finicky)

And then I opened the thread to double check and make sure the night kill didn’t affect my reads (in which i wouldn’t have posted and reevaulated. like, for example, if you had been the night kill)

It felt weird posting as if I hadn’t read the starting post when I…Did? So I went back and edited to reflect that I had read the nightkill post, but it didn’t affect anything, and my stance on the nk was the same as the day before

Lol, it's paranoid right? But I did say you'd explained it. It only bothers me because in previous game that's how maf tricked everyone.

 

[Sidney]

Lol, it's paranoid right? But I did say you'd explained it. It only bothers me because in previous game that's how maf tricked everyone.

i don’t feel like it was really an inconsistency. Iirc i even posted them seperately (I know i copy pasted them one at a time)

Honestly i wish i WAS mafia, shawo seems pretty smart at this game and i feel like i would’ve felt less out of my depth here lol

 

[BetsySundrop]

I went ahead a posted my tae vote. I dunno if it's my internet or what, but it crashed/closed a few times on me, and I don't want to risk it crashing later and not be able to vote.

I'm still looking at all the stuff I mentioned, and will still check in for responses etc throughout the morning/lunch.

 

[Sidney]

@Sidney

i can see small bits that could be seen as both maf!betsy / town!betsy. and while there’s some things i don’t 100% agree with they don’t scream mafia.


maybe shawo got into my head and my gut feelings are so polar due to his mf chaos he stirred up but i’m hoping my revisit tomorrow morning helps me see things better.


the role name thing isn’t sus i’m just not used to seeing it thrown out so quickly? like some games ive played i think they mattered so seeing them thrown out (even tho this game is just flavor) was a quick “wth?” moment for me.


my biggest reason for sticking with you is that the majority of what i read with betsy/shawo reads more organically than some of yours and shawos. and i know i pushed betsy a bit d1 but none of that sus on her was super damning?

i also feel like i’m partly biased too bc tessa had sus on you too and to know another townie had felt the same strong case on you that i did made me feel like i wasn’t grasping at straws and that the things i felt and felt from you were valid.

i’ve yet to see a real strong case built on betsy and i feel like that’s bc there isn’t a whole lot to pick at. minus the random tunnel, which is super clear why she’d not want him in f3. i was just certain it would be you flipping red over him that i was willing to chance it. and i still feel that way.

In some ways i wish it was me yesterday for this reason. I legitimately am town, though I’ve little better way to convince people and am unfamiliar with the things that have come to be considered suspicious in this game. On the other hand, there is not a DOUBT in my mind, now knowing that random was town, that random would’ve been the choice today

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wanna eat plastic together?

I would love to eat plastic together

also where are you leaning more towards?

this question alone makes me want to eat plastic. on a gut level, betsy
on a “not trusting either of you and not smart enough to dissect anymore”, either of you

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just saw your post merge ignore me. i’m on mobile

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ok when looked at like this, this makes sense. the pocketing argument when thinking about it like this is- yeah i can see that potentially.

internal bias has me screaming this can be viewed as a long con both ways. (maf!betsy long con with maf!shawo, and also a good argument for a long con maf!aidney/maf!shawo team too.) everything is gray pls kill me.

It’s a long con any way because i think it would be for you too

to be fair, i stand by my word. we should just kill shawo d1 bc we can. he deserves it. òvó
but to be fair i didn’t actually vote him- just said we should bc off the cuff funny haha.

Right
Betsy said, i believe it was betsy at least, that you wouldn’t be mafia because mafia wouldn’t go as far as voting their partner

Which honestly, since you only voted at the last minute when it was certain it was shawo, i think is kind of weird on her part

no insider info, just trusted trent’s meta. even if he’s a hard first read after not playing together for years.

gotcha

hypothetically if i was really maf!tae though, and wanted random in f3 that badly for an easy f3, i would have pushed betsy harder at eod 3 to stop her tunnel on random and to sway her vote to you instead? why would i wanna suffer through a f3 with the hardest player in the game to sway. that would be suicide for maf!tae and i don’t hate myself enough to try that kind of risk. i just wanna kill mafia and gloat to shawo that he lost again.

I could see this
At the same time, why maf!betsy vote out random? To switch up to suspicion on you today? (Counting on me to follow, I’d imagine) Though what still gets me is why would maf!betsy take that risk?

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also to be fair, if sheep inspected anyone other than shawo and they were mafia, i still wouldn’t vote them until proven the person inspected had no cc / viable defense.

i’ve seen fake cop claims before and although it’s less likely to believe the cc it’s still worth hearing the defense before voting. (and it doesn’t apply in this game but some games allow hammering which is also why hearing the defense is worth it, even if it’s not believable.)

Hammering?
But yeah, I was waiting to see if there’d be a counterclaim or defense too
I don’t think it’s suspicious.

But i ALSO don’t think it proves you’re not mafia, lol

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Going through this morning and have a few things I spotted that were posted that I wanted to clarify

So...this is not true. I do not think I ever said I was shocked to be alive. If you could quote the post or maybe provide a post #? I gotta see it to believe it, lol.

I think you said you understood why you were alive as a fall guy

Oh and wanted to explain why on this one, even though it's a null-

In a game where we still have a detective, if I'm gonna get voted out early in the game, I think "better me than the det" so while I'll do my best to show I'm town, I'd rather not push the vote onto a target that might be the det. And if I'm being pushed, my death and town flip might at least be helpful.

makes sense to me

True on this. I was def convinced of random, based on too many odd things.

I thought there was a really good argument for random. At least enough that random being in the f3 would mean that random WAS the final vote. I much rather would’ve taken that chance yesterday

Ty!


Lol, this may be considered anti town by some, but I'm keeping it. Inactives, or low activity....if they aren't gonna be replaced beginning d2, pfft, choppity chop time.

And I might start a 'chop the inactives' campaign. I can't stand trying to figure that mess out late in the game...

This is consistent with your start of the game thoughts. However I still think it’s strange and has good potential to just be easy targets for mafia.

I think it's good we're all doing this! Even if we screw it up, at least deadtown knows how/why we came to the decisions we did.

praying deadtown will instill their wisdom through magic or something

Sidney's summary of potential maf lines of action for me/tae all make sense. The only one I disagreed with was
I don't understand the distance? My big embarrassment was I had shawo town right up til sheep's claim...?

There was some distancing, I thought
For example, narrowing in on tae d1 eod instead of immediately following the trent vote
and disagreeing with shawo’s read on me

at the same time, you did give shawo more of a platform + towning them but also disagreeing
I’d have to look back to see if that’s exactly how it went and i’m stuck on mobile all day

As eod will be just me, alone with my anxiety, I'll try to have everything posted early as I can to give time to respond.

much appreciated
i will be able to somewhat check and be here 15 minutes before eod (probably; unless i talk to my professor again) but i think what’s best for town would be making sure all 3 of us are in on the final discussion and votes

Where I'm currently at-

Things that still bother me about sidney for town/maf - that dang prepped list with the inconsistency! Stupid, I know, but lost my last town game - because the person who showed up with the prepped reads including the nk just couldn't be maf- yep, they were, so that one tiny inconsistency, which sidney explained, bugs me. However!

explained

What bugs me more- shawo picking you for his activity/rxn bait on d1, and actually voting you, and actually leaving that vote unchanged right up to 2 hours before eod when he switched to trent (yes, I checked, am that paranoid).
With det in the game, it's possible shawo was creating distance from the start. And with shawo posting things like "do you think maf is leading the vote on trent" when he was the one leading the vote...psh, anything is possible with shawo.
But - would this be something a new player would agree to? I guess shawo could strongly persuade them....but I just don't think it would be the more likely scenario? If I'm wrong, good strategy....

If this were the case I would need a pretty good defense for myself. i honestly would not agree to being thrown out there like that; town already makes me nervous enough

What I need to check before voting- going to reread the sidney arguments from tae/tessa, try to pinpoint exactly when/why it went from 'gotta be random' to 'gotta be sidney' on tessa's part. Also want to read more of what was posted after that by sidney in reaction to the two votes d3.

curious to hear goe rhis goes

The sidney push d3 also bugged me when I realized if sidney flipped town, it would leave random in f3, which was imo definitely not town friendly. It seemed like that could be the goal, so didn't sit right.

I do wonder about this. But I also do think tae may have been genuinely convicted. I mean, tessa was

Right now I'm leaning more toward voting tae, so if I've got it wrong tae, please bring the logic, because I want to get it right.

(If it is sidney, and I vote tae, tessa will kill me. If it's tae, and I vote sidney, it's all tessa's fault.)

You don’t have to worry about tessa killing you at least. It’s really not me.

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I’m going to eat plastic now

Gut still says betsy but then there’s so many things i just don’t understand

and tae having been familiar with shawo i could see setting up a longcon

I have class now; be back in a while

 

[tae]

But - would this be something a new player would agree to? I guess shawo could strongly persuade them....but I just don't think it would be the more likely scenario? If I'm wrong, good strategy....

What I need to check before voting- going to reread the sidney arguments from tae/tessa, try to pinpoint exactly when/why it went from 'gotta be random' to 'gotta be sidney' on tessa's part. Also want to read more of what was posted after that by sidney in reaction to the two votes d3.

i mean anything is possible when your scum mate (shawo) is there..

The sidney push d3 also bugged me when I realized if sidney flipped town, it would leave random in f3, which was imo definitely not town friendly. It seemed like that could be the goal, so didn't sit right.

it was crap circumstance. also please take into account that i never asked anyone else to join my thoughts, i stated my read on why i believed it’s her and voted. sidney had sus from me all game. it wasn’t some big change at eod. i posted my reads with like 24+ hours left to discuss for everyone. if scum-hunting and pushing your strongest read is seen as scummy idk what to tell y’all, the point of the game is to find and build cases and kill mafia. how do you find them unless you build a case and push? so if the scummiest thing you think i did was scum hunt and find sidney then okay i guess idk. you’re wrong and when i flip green idk what to tell ya betsy.

Right now I'm leaning more toward voting tae, so if I've got it wrong tae, please bring the logic, because I want to get it right.

(If it is sidney, and I vote tae, tessa will kill me. If it's tae, and I vote sidney, it's all tessa's fault.)

idk what to logic out that hasn’t already been touched on. what questions do you need me to answer to prove it’s not me lmao.

think of tessa idk. tessa had strong enough feelings believe that it was sidney to also push for sidney at eod last day. if you think it’s truly me over her, go with your gut, but voting me loses the game and that’s all i can tell you unless you have specific points you really want me to answer that i’ve missed.


me pushing sidney wasn’t a shawo onto trent eod chaos tactic. my sus was justified, and i pushed it. and i stayed on it. even after re-reading the thread i don’t see you as mafia betsy & my gut won’t let me vote you even though sidney had a few good points on some game logic / things you did. it’s too gray.

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bear with me here, it's been mf years since ive done one of these.

here's the best i can give for a d1 list of feels / gut reactions.

town | townlean | null | sus | scumlean | maf

shawo - based on the fact that he's not completely un****ing-hinged this time around. meta has me on this side, plus i think his questions are okay-enough to not have real sus outside of wanting to just kill him out of spite.

tae - it me. ur neighborhood clownie townie.

Sidney - only sus on the basis that i hate the "im new and i hate d1 and i dont trust myself to post my thoughts" take. its not a hot take and i think gut / tone reads based off whims are important enough to push with on d1 so we can get the most info possible. ALSO dont like the take on voting inactives on d1.

Totally_RandomYT - not **** added. i don't like it. but i'm not sussing d1 due to inactivity. maybe like, play more idk homie.

Trent the Paladin - gives food for thot. contributes. questions. still ****-posts and thats also pretty meta. only half null due to not being super obvious about potentials but also trent's pushed for no-elim since the very start so i can partly understand why he's not really deep diving anyone for a d1 vote. cdurious to see what he says d2.

BetsySundrop - probably my biggest gut feeling so far. simply due to the "oh gee guys scumchat / how do they communicate" and the hard looks into voting inactive people is weird. >town-read shawo but then said they think shawo is in kahoot's w/ random bc of a fixation on the possibly that mafia would post mafia code in the game thread. it's either a really obvious townslip by her, or a very very bad ploy on trying to come across as town. either way, i don't like it.

tessa grace - probably the most townie so far. sure tessa was late to the game but tess also posted good takes and food for thought right off the bat. pushed discussion and definitely has a good logical outlook. i dig it. i look forward to posts to come.

Sheep Villager - i wanna townlean sheep, but im not certain on them. theres been some posts im like "hmmmm but wait" and others that im like yeah ok i can dig it. mostly null in my books right now but look forward to most posts and takes from them.

StarlitGlitch - ik ur also in a weird timezone comapred to the majority but pls come back and POST

i sussed sidney d1 based on the constant “i’m new i dont trust myself to post and im not confident” which only grew from there. she wasn’t my strongest sus but i tunneled in on betsy for some real silly stuff when re-reading it back after EOD 1. which was just tin foil and what if theories. which was why i dropped my betsy sus start of D2.

from this point on i never lost sus on sidney. other people became sus and things were looked at, but i had my inklings on her from the beginning and it only grew.

i PUSHED on d3 bc the game had been so incredibly passive, nobody was building cases and it felt like nobody was really scum hunting. I made sure to push before or around mid day when i had my thoughts collected so people had ample time to digest and look into her themselves and weren’t crunched by EOD timelines to rush vote. my push wasn’t some big methodical mafia scene to kill sidney last second, i gave time. everyone wanted random out of the game yea, but i truly believed Sidney would flip red and random wouldn’t even be in f3 because we wouldn’t have a f3. the game would be over. tessa had enough faith in that case too and opted to vote Sidney over random despite random being an AWOL wild card.

which is why to this day, if i was maf!tae, killing tessa would be the most stupid thing i could have done this entire game. killing my biggest supporter and removing the possibility of a blitz on f3?? stupid. absolutely stupid.


sidney isn’t an easy target imo either. she was not confident d1 read wise- but did admit to being too afraid to be wrong. which i can get with det still in play but any reads, even gut / tone reads are important to push. even if you’re wrong you’re still making waves and actively scum hunting. but sidney wasn’t super interested in that. even into d3 when i started to push her she didn’t really push back. just went on the defensive and didn’t build any strong cases against someone else instead. it was a “no it’s not me, but idk who i really feel like it is” which, imo, isn’t helpful town.

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also with a sidney/shawo maf!team, she’s been uncomfortable all game for the most part- idek if shawo would give her the option to pick and chose what she’s okay with. he might be a chaotic teammate and just do as he pleases and pushed her around his plans? like the possibilities are endless here yall.

 

[Sidney]

i mean anything is possible when your scum mate (shawo) is there..

RIGHT SHAWO BEING THE MAFIA JUST MAKES IT WAY MORE CONFUSING MAN

it was crap circumstance. also please take into account that i never asked anyone else to join my thoughts, i stated my read on why i believed it’s her and voted. sidney had sus from me all game. it wasn’t some big change at eod. i posted my reads with like 24+ hours left to discuss for everyone. if scum-hunting and pushing your strongest read is seen as scummy idk what to tell y’all, the point of the game is to find and build cases and kill mafia. how do you find them unless you build a case and push? so if the scummiest thing you think i did was scum hunt and find sidney then okay i guess idk. you’re wrong and when i flip green idk what to tell ya betsy.



idk what to logic out that hasn’t already been touched on. what questions do you need me to answer to prove it’s not me lmao.

think of tessa idk. tessa had strong enough feelings believe that it was sidney to also push for sidney at eod last day. if you think it’s truly me over her, go with your gut, but voting me loses the game and that’s all i can tell you unless you have specific points you really want me to answer that i’ve missed.


me pushing sidney wasn’t a shawo onto trent eod chaos tactic. my sus was justified, and i pushed it. and i stayed on it. even after re-reading the thread i don’t see you as mafia betsy & my gut won’t let me vote you even though sidney had a few good points on some game logic / things you did. it’s too gray.

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i sussed sidney d1 based on the constant “i’m new i dont trust myself to post and im not confident” which only grew from there. she wasn’t my strongest sus but i tunneled in on betsy for some real silly stuff when re-reading it back after EOD 1. which was just tin foil and what if theories. which was why i dropped my betsy sus start of D2.

from this point on i never lost sus on sidney. other people became sus and things were looked at, but i had my inklings on her from the beginning and it only grew.

i PUSHED on d3 bc the game had been so incredibly passive, nobody was building cases and it felt like nobody was really scum hunting. I made sure to push before or around mid day when i had my thoughts collected so people had ample time to digest and look into her themselves and weren’t crunched by EOD timelines to rush vote. my push wasn’t some big methodical mafia scene to kill sidney last second, i gave time. everyone wanted random out of the game yea, but i truly believed Sidney would flip red and random wouldn’t even be in f3 because we wouldn’t have a f3. the game would be over. tessa had enough faith in that case too and opted to vote Sidney over random despite random being an AWOL wild card.

which is why to this day, if i was maf!tae, killing tessa would be the most stupid thing i could have done this entire game. killing my biggest supporter and removing the possibility of a blitz on f3?? stupid. absolutely stupid.


sidney isn’t an easy target imo either. she was not confident d1 read wise- but did admit to being too afraid to be wrong. which i can get with det still in play but any reads, even gut / tone reads are important to push. even if you’re wrong you’re still making waves and actively scum hunting. but sidney wasn’t super interested in that. even into d3 when i started to push her she didn’t really push back. just went on the defensive and didn’t build any strong cases against someone else instead. it was a “no it’s not me, but idk who i really feel like it is” which, imo, isn’t helpful town.

I am very sorry
I know this isn’t really supposed to be a jab at me but I am really trying to be helpful town

I honestly don’t read the push on me as mafia aligned. I was massively worried about random but you had already said you thought you thought i would give more information and were convinced so like….yeah, idk, at that point in the game i would’ve been fine with it. I probably would’ve been more helpful not-alive; esp with both you and tessa convicted

I do know it’s not me. I’m not sure what else I can explain or do to show that. I have tried my best to be helpful; I just genuinely feel I’m out of my depth here esp now with my two big suspects the whole game left
I was similarly really hoping it was random after all and that would end the game

I’m worried now that betsy is trying to get me to just follow and vote you off but gut still says it’s betsy
but at the same time, voting betsy does nothing if the votes stay the same

Whichever of you is mafia is literally did this to torture me specifically
which is smart but like

mannnnnn

 

[tae]

alright i'm looking back at sidney / shawo interactions and i think i have one trent one in here so far, this is process and i'm still skimming as i go but alrighty.

so when questioned by trent a little bit on d1, sidney kinda uses the "im inexperienced i don't wannt voice my opinions unless i'm certain of them" stance on d1 a lot and trent asked about "ok if its not you then who do you have a decent case for right now"




sidney's response to that is immediately shawo. might have been a omgus based on his "sidney is maf, discuss" post, or it could have been d1 bussing? creating some back and forth between each other and causing space while still interacting. (once again at it with the "im inexperienced ofc mafia is going to go after the new townie" woe is me). the whole "if i was mafia id def kill off inexperienced players to fly under the rader" just seems like a very not great thing to say?




shawo also called her out on the constant "im not good at d1" thing and actually had a really good point on it, not posting d1 and being super chill / not having any reads, even gut reads, hides and excuses yourself from any scumtells you might make.

so shawo posts his lil uwu sidney is maf discuss push point.
sidney omgus' him slightly that hes actually mafia,
and then at the end he townreads her and in turn..


she townreads him and they move on. perfect little pressure pot d1.


_______________________________

i've never played mafia w/ shawo where we're both mafia so i don't know of his coaching technique but i know he's chaotic and likes to make big moves and plays- i'd assume that carries over in his coaching techniques if he's most experienced on the team and would definitely manufacture jabs and pokes and all that. maybe im tinfoiling here but theres more let me continue.

_______________________________

following that line of questioning from before shawo posts this in response to sidney:




sidney's been really big on the "i want my own thoughts and feelings on this and i don't wanna jump on other's thoughts" while partly this can be read as towny wanting to be strong and independent i think it also goes along with not wanting to make waves and not wanting to scumtell / bite too big and get bit back? being too afraid to hop on other's thoughts and add pressure in fear of coming across as mafia / bangwagony or just too prideful and wanting to be independent?

maybe i'm being unfair bc i'm a bull in a china shop and 100% down to tunnel and fight my way through a battle if i gotta, but sidney was incredibly passive and i've yet to see any real hard reads from her. maybe im missing some bigger posts im still working through my iso on her right now- but this is where im at currently. (she susses betsy but i don't think i remember anything damning from her? like wheres the "betsy is mafia heres why" post at.

______________________________



maybe it was wording, and maybe i'm looking too far into it but she then states on d2 when shawo was called out from sheep and was on the chopping block that she never actually townread shawo..?


also to touch base on shawo's last day alive reads: a tinfoil tae edition for your viewing pleasure.




we all know shawo 180's on tessa which is obviously imo, tessa = town and he wanted her dead. she was predominantly townread by most everyone and he wanted to add chaos to that. (and for some it worked) but i don't believe him and if it bites me in the ass i will take it to my grave).

his strongest TRs are random/betsy:
betsy recieved a lot of backlash from me on d1 due to some tinfoil wearing hat stuff but i don't scumlean her anymore bc it was just that- tinfoil imo. & basically is a set up for "tessa is scummy bc these reads but betsy is her opposite so betsy is town instead". shawo knows betsy will tinfoil proudly and bite at his tessa post. he put betsy on a platform and gave her something to nibble on in the corner and it worked. (no offense betsy ily.)

honestly i think the reason he TRs these two the stongest is bc random has so little substance to them that there's not **** to learn from his TR on random at all. its filler and its chaos. (petition to change shawo's UN to chaos) random doesn't contribute enough and we all know that and shawo knows if town elims random that random will not sufficiently defend themselves and end up elimed. it's a potentially easy town kill from where i see it..?


for sidney: he states he actively dislikes how her posts read, but still TRs her bc he thinks shes "coming from a good place" which is kind of a cap out? and not a lot of substance to leave behind on her...? he also lumped me into the "tae is trying their best" with a "haha" from a cheeky standpoint on a previous game we played. i know shawo always thinks im an easy target and by lumping me in with his scummate who always has some sus on me that it'll create enough of a "stir the pot in the end if its a down to tae and sidney be sure to vote tae out" kind of way.


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anyway my migraine is worse so im going to end this long winded post here and take off my tinfoil hat. im so tired, AMA.

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to add on real quick before i start getting ready for work:
i might know shawo too personally to think 100% clearly here, but from what i know about their mafia game style is that voting out random today would be exactly what he'd want town to do and i do not want to give him that pleasure.

i would much rather vote out sidney today than random.
i think with voting out sidney today- we learn a lot more than by voting random out.

if we vote out random and they flip green, we don't learn jack. which means d4 we're at MYLO, and i haven't seen a whole lot of hard-set cases built on anyone yet. i feel like looking back at shawo/sidney interactions and how trent's dying words were "its shawo/betsy" and sidney is sus of mostly betsy outside of random, that it's likely that scum team was actually shawo/sidney all along.

if everyone is absolutely dead-set on a random emil today, i'll vote for him, but i want yall to really think about sidney here because she's my biggest scum lean and i'm going to actually sob if random flips town at eod.

for starters her posting that tessa being the obvious nk rubs me wrong and feels a little too thought out if you ask me.
ANYWAY moving on-


she says voting random gives us the most info- but i 100% feel like the exact opposite and that she's pushing for her scummate's chaos plot he started. like shwo left some random chaos crumbs lying around and her biggest argument is that shawo's interaction with random = random being mafia but outside of that has no real case on random at all..?

same goes for betsy tho? also worried about betsy due to shawo interactions but she has yet to build a legit case on the matter?
but is quick to question me for not sussing betsy anymore (when i stated after re-reading d1 betsy came across as more town leaning and tinfoil hat wearing than actually scummy).


// serious question here that anyone and everyone can answer:

if we vote random today and they flip green instead of red, what do we learn? with all their post lefts behind in the current thread, at this point in time (since they havent defended themselves yet) what vital information do they leave behind? quote me posts if you have to, but like what vital information does random actually leave behind for us? someone please explain it to me.

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sidney also d2 said this ^ in response to me asking


in which she stated she doesn't feel that its random anymore, and that shawo coaching them is a possibility but not the most likely scenario.. which eventually divulged into her auto voting at the start of d3 after tessa placed her first vote onto random.



so betsy is sidney's strongest gut sus thus far, but she hasn't built a case on her. didn vote her to pressure her. didn't really push. just passively stated "im sus of betsy" and then votes random bc random gives "the most information".... i don't like it.

these were my start of my Sidney push posts.
started on a friday before work iirc & can read well enough on mobile.

ISTG MY SHAWO SIDNEY THEORY IS COMING TO LIFE WITH THIS OML

some very valid points are made here. i have a bit of work to do so i wont post yet, but I'll be removing my vote and looking deeper into sidney and random, and which one seems scummier. I'll probably post thoughts later.

tessa felt that the case was solid enough to literally unvote random at this point and place her vote on sidney. my strongest townread agreed with my suspicions and that was so validating i can’t not hold true here. in the end sidney is more scummy than betsy has been and i can’t see it any other way. if an organic sus and case built makes me look like scum then i’ll die and flip green to prove the theory wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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RIGHT SHAWO BEING THE MAFIA JUST MAKES IT WAY MORE CONFUSING MAN

let’s blame him for everything.. ><

I’m worried now that betsy is trying to get me to just follow and vote you off but gut still says it’s betsy
but at the same time, voting betsy does nothing if the votes stay the same

Whichever of you is mafia is literally did this to torture me specifically
which is smart but like

mannnnnn

did betsy build like a legitimate case before voting me? she had recaps for the day but like there wasn’t a case she built outside of “well i think it’s more likely tae, so i’m voting tae i guess”. did i miss it? am i actually blind..?

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The sidney push d3 also bugged me when I realized if sidney flipped town, it would leave random in f3, which was imo definitely not town friendly. It seemed like that could be the goal, so didn't sit right.

i guess yeah that’s a possibility but the possibility of eliminating sidney and the game ending was an option before f3 even happens. and in my head the most logical option for who was scum in the pool that we had was sidney. i believe she’ll flip red, i still do. but idk what more to say for you to see it too.

shawo was a wild card in this entire game and maybe he’s got us so swapped around his fingers even after his death that it’s all just a tossup, but idk what else to do. i don’t scum read you. and i don’t trust sidney enough to vote you today. so ultimately it boils down to your vote because sidney’s vote will have to be out of self preservation against mine on her.


if you wanna elim me, i mean, go ahead i can’t stop you. but town doesn’t win this game when i die.

 

[Sidney]

these were my start of my Sidney push posts.
started on a friday before work iirc & can read well enough on mobile.




tessa felt that the case was solid enough to literally unvote random at this point and place her vote on sidney. my strongest townread agreed with my suspicions and that was so validating i can’t not hold true here. in the end sidney is more scummy than betsy has been and i can’t see it any other way. if an organic sus and case built makes me look like scum then i’ll die and flip green to prove the theory wrong. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Yeah that was kinda my thought process. I was like. well. I think tessa is town. I still think betsy is more sus than tae. (But I really thought there was good chance it was random. And if not, that having random in the final day would be trouble) If the two of them really think I’m mafia and killing me will give them the info they need to solve it in the final day even with the wild card of random then like….I’ll just flip green and that will be it and I’m saved from the hell of figuring it out today and now it is y’all’s problem to figure it out; i can just scream from the grave and hope you guys do solve enough

unfortunately whoever controls my fate dislikes me

let’s blame him for everything.. ><

i’m down

did betsy build like a legitimate case before voting me? she had recaps for the day but like there wasn’t a case she built outside of “well i think it’s more likely tae, so i’m voting tae i guess”. did i miss it? am i actually blind..?

I didn’t see one tbh but I’m possibly eyes glazing over again too

 

[tae]

I’m worried now that betsy is trying to get me to just follow and vote you off but gut still says it’s betsy
but at the same time, voting betsy does nothing if the votes stay the same

follow your gut ¯\_(ツ)_/ if you think it’s betsy, vote betsy. screw it. f3 sucks. let’s eat plastic.

Whichever of you is mafia is literally did this to torture me specifically
which is smart but like

mannnnnn

ok but same bc both you and betsy were my d1 reads for scummies and although i don’t see her super scummy now it’s still just comical and o hate everything about this.

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I didn’t see one tbh but I’m possibly eyes glazing over again too

ok well if we both missed it then it must not be there so that’s… interesting..

 

[Sidney]

follow your gut ¯\_(ツ)_/ if you think it’s betsy, vote betsy. screw it. f3 sucks. let’s eat plastic.

I’m down to eat plastic

ok but same bc both you and betsy were my d1 reads for scummies and although i don’t see her super scummy now it’s still just comical and o hate everything about this.

YEAH

this game is so chaotic man

i’m gonna choose still place the chaos on shawo

ok well if we both missed it then it must not be there so that’s… interesting..

she did say that her internet was being funky so she wanted to go ahead and vote but IDK man

 

[tae]

she did say that her internet was being funky so she wanted to go ahead and vote but IDK man

hopefully she comes back within an hour. ik internet troubles can be the real deal… but how convenient that could also be.. to know i’m set on you… while she votes me… and knows you’d have to vote out of self preservation to save yourself… tin foil here but… yeahhhhh

 

[BetsySundrop]

You don’t have to worry about tessa killing you at least. It’s really not me.

but voting me loses the game and that’s all i can tell you unless you have specific points you really want me to answer that i’ve missed.

Sooo frustrating.

Gut still says betsy but then there’s so many things i just don’t understand

I swear on my enchanted bloom collectible, it's not me.
(And considering the mirrored hades I went through to get it, that's no small swear).

did betsy build like a legitimate case before voting me? she had recaps for the day but like there wasn’t a case she built outside of “well i think it’s more likely tae, so i’m voting tae i guess”. did i miss it? am i actually blind..?

It's everything I've said previoysly, but here's the most basic- fmpov, all through the game it appears that you slightly misrepresent things sometimes in order to create suspicion around people. I've given a few examples in my earlier posts. One good example is the beginning of this f3, you used my 'anger' (nonexistent, lol) and my 'tae tunnel' (which I explained meant I would not auto vote sidney) to attempt to justify your brand new view 'well gosh, it might be betsy after all'.

I think you have tried to set up a situation where you want others to make a case to 'convince' you to vote for pretty much anyone but yourself.

And while it is possible sidney is the wolf, I believe she is town and that you are hoping she comes up with something that would enable you to switch your vote to me, even though previously you were "99% convinced" it was sidney and would fight for it.

I believe you thought sidney would automatically vote me, and I might omgus vote her in return (because I have shown my omgus tendencies in this game). That would leave wolfy you with the deciding vote.

The d3 case against sidney, imo, was not very strong, and while I did give it consideration, and it is possible it's wolf!sidney, I also thought there could be an ulterior motive for it. This post, imo, makes that motive clear.

honestly i’m willing to re-evaluate random if sidney flips green honestly.

Honestly? Ok, so you'll push for sidney because it's "99%" sidney, but honestly if sidney flips green, you'll honestly reconsider random in f3?

Honestly? Seemed like an f3 random set up to me.

its funny cause i made the biggest arguments against random, second guessed myself, and now im voting sidney based off of taes argument, and second guessing myself again.

In tessa's posts, she repeats this, that she was basing her sidney sus in large part because of a gut feeling she had all along, and your arguments. Her argument for sidney was gut, and possibly manufactured interactions between shawo/sidney.

That's some of it.

 

[tae]

this game hurts my smooth brain so much.

 

[BetsySundrop]

follow your gut ¯\_(ツ)_/ if you think it’s betsy, vote betsy. screw it. f3 sucks. let’s eat plastic.

Yep...wolfy confirmed, imo.

Basically - hello sidney, that other town is voting me, but I'm gonna pretend she hasn't said why. Then I can convince you to vote her with me....and since you've sussed her all along, you're the perfect target for my schemes. Psh.

I have explained it, and even under my reads yesterday mentioned it as a possibility.

I may be an idiot, but as this day goes by, I'm feeling a bit more confident it's maf!tae. If I'm wrong, not the first time, but I'm starting to think I might have it right this time....

 

[Sidney]

this game hurts my smooth brain so much.

same