also betsy, with the response sidney makes when under pressure:
does being lax and unbothered / less caring of killing “town” really read more towny? genuinely asking. bc you thought trent didn’t fight hard enough and thought that was scummy of him but you think when sidney responds cool and lax with “i’m town but if you wanna ask or do xyz ok” isn’t also anti-town?
i mean that’s valid- but if i hella pressured you to vote her, don’t you think you’d accuse me of being wolfy and pushing too hard? like, you thought my big push on her was sus, but i did it organically. i have people plenty of time to read it out and think and investigate themselves. if i was a wolf pushing a quick vote wouldn’t it be better to hammer it home and push it until i’m blue in the face to convince you? rather than build my case and explain my thoughts and leave it open?
also betsy, with the response sidney makes when under pressure:
does being lax and unbothered / less caring of killing “town” really read more towny? genuinely asking. bc you thought trent didn’t fight hard enough and thought that was scummy of him but you think when sidney responds cool and lax with “i’m town but if you wanna ask or do xyz ok” isn’t also anti-town?
When trent was getting voted, I did not understand why he didn't speak up for himself. At the very least say - hey, don't vote me. Later, I theorized that- it's possible he believed it was better to croak and flip town, providing info, than to fight for someone else to get voted and possibly yeet the detective.
I had this same thought d2. If I was getting elim, fine, my town flip could give info and I wasn't the det, which means keeping the det in the game.
I've seen before when someone knows they're town, and might be elim, you see the 'well I'm town, but if it'll help solve' kind of thing. Some people defend more than others.
What bugs me more- shawo picking you for his activity/rxn bait on d1, and actually voting you, and actually leaving that vote unchanged right up to 2 hours before eod when he switched to trent (yes, I checked, am that paranoid).
With det in the game, it's possible shawo was creating distance from the start. And with shawo posting things like "do you think maf is leading the vote on trent" when he was the one leading the vote...psh, anything is possible with shawo.
But - would this be something a new player would agree to? I guess shawo could strongly persuade them....but I just don't think it would be the more likely scenario? If I'm wrong, good strategy....
with shawo i don't think he'd give the space to let someone new agree to it completely. he's a loose cannon.
which also makes me think thats one reason why maf!sidney would be so flippant and not big on her reads. playing around shawo is probably ****ing hard to do and the more neutral you play is probably the better when paired w/ him.
When trent was getting voted, I did not understand why he didn't speak up for himself. At the very least say - hey, don't vote me. Later, I theorized that- it's possible he believed it was better to croak and flip town, providing info, than to fight for someone else to get voted and possibly yeet the detective.
I had this same thought d2. If I was getting elim, fine, my town flip could give info and I wasn't the det, which means keeping the det in the game.
I've seen before when someone knows they're town, and might be elim, you see the 'well I'm town, but if it'll help solve' kind of thing. Some people defend more than others.
i mean to an extent that makes sense. but in times where the det's already outed, how does that response hold up in your eyes? because you townread sidney for her stance on "well i guess if my death brings more info" its townie, but here that argument doens't hold up for her because the mechanics have changed. its MYLO.
does fighting for yourself automatically = to being mafia?
im not trying to misrep here, but it sounds like my response to being on the chopping block is considered wolfy bc i'm fighting for myself, even if it means voting for a 50/50 instead of my strongest read.
When trent was getting voted, I did not understand why he didn't speak up for himself. At the very least say - hey, don't vote me. Later, I theorized that- it's possible he believed it was better to croak and flip town, providing info, than to fight for someone else to get voted and possibly yeet the detective.
I had this same thought d2. If I was getting elim, fine, my town flip could give info and I wasn't the det, which means keeping the det in the game.
I've seen before when someone knows they're town, and might be elim, you see the 'well I'm town, but if it'll help solve' kind of thing. Some people defend more than others.
i will also state though, i don't townlean her for it, but sidney's hesitation to auto vote one of us once we voted for each other definitely gives her some town cred in my books.
i expected her to vote betsy or me soon after i swapped my vote but her hesitation makes me question some initial thoughts.
honestly i just think i'm at the point where i don't trust either of you anymore. lol
with shawo i don't think he'd give the space to let someone new agree to it completely. he's a loose cannon.
which also makes me think thats one reason why maf!sidney would be so flippant and not big on her reads. playing around shawo is probably ****ing hard to do and the more neutral you play is probably the better when paired w/ him.
i mean to an extent that makes sense. but in times where the det's already outed, how does that response hold up in your eyes? because you townread sidney for her stance on "well i guess if my death brings more info" its townie, but here that argument doens't hold up for her because the mechanics have changed. its MYLO.
does fighting for yourself automatically = to being mafia?
im not trying to misrep here, but it sounds like my response to being on the chopping block is considered wolfy bc i'm fighting for myself, even if it means voting for a 50/50 instead of my strongest read.
I can see why you would switch because of that, but at the same time I don’t understand. What have you given against me aside from tessa’s also suspecting me and the d1 interactions?
If you really think it’s me, wouldn’t you try to convince betsy more instead of trying to appeal to me?
i will also state though, i don't townlean her for it, but sidney's hesitation to auto vote one of us once we voted for each other definitely gives her some town cred in my books.
i expected her to vote betsy or me soon after i swapped my vote but her hesitation makes me question some initial thoughts.
honestly i just think i'm at the point where i don't trust either of you anymore. lol
I’ve never been mafia and barely know shawo aside from chaos so I don’t have anything to say to this
I can see why you would switch because of that, but at the same time I don’t understand. What have you given against me aside from tessa’s also suspecting me and the d1 interactions?
If you really think it’s me, wouldn’t you try to convince betsy more instead of trying to appeal to me?
tbh your lack of reads and only really trying to piece a case together when asked to do so is super passive play and i'd 100% except new mafia to lay lowish and not make many waves. when you're pushed you go on the defensive and explain yourself but don't push blame elsewhere or deep dive others instead. you kinda just take the heat and keep moving. which is what i think would be a perfect maf partner for shawo. whos the exact opposite of that playstyle. flamboyant and loud and pushy and in your face. it's a perfect storm combo.
being mafia and making huge pushes and being flamboyant and drawing attention to yourself outside of defending reads on you is risky. especially if you're new to being mafia / new to mafia to begin with. your hesitation and lack of committing to one person or another to me is what gave me gut scumleans and it only grew as time went on.
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you've had your susses but you've never built the case and voted and started to push.
you have reads but you don't push them. you don't stick your neck out.
all that mixed in with the constant "oh wow i'm new its just bc im not confident" seems like an easy way to set yourself up to play passive and law low as long as you possibly would.
i mean to an extent that makes sense. but in times where the det's already outed, how does that response hold up in your eyes? because you townread sidney for her stance on "well i guess if my death brings more info" its townie, but here that argument doens't hold up for her because the mechanics have changed. its MYLO.
does fighting for yourself automatically = to being mafia?
im not trying to misrep here, but it sounds like my response to being on the chopping block is considered wolfy bc i'm fighting for myself, even if it means voting for a 50/50 instead of my strongest read.
Couple things to address here- I was just stating how I viewed Sidney's response to the two votes on her. This is clipped from the above quote- because you townread sidney for her stance on "well i guess if my death brings more info" its townie, but here that argument doens't hold up for her because the mechanics have changed. its MYLO.
I don't understand what you mean by the argument not holding up here because it's mylo. I was talking about Sidney's response to the two votes on her yesterday? I might be confused on what you are saying.
Also- I townread sidney for most of the game for different reasons, not just her reaction to possible elim.
As for the det being outed, I've played games with no cops with similar response - well I'm town, but fine, go ahead, maybe it'll help solve.
Everyone's different, but I believe if it were maf!sidney, she would have at the very least really given a hard push to eliminate somebody else.
tbh your lack of reads and only really trying to piece a case together when asked to do so is super passive play and i'd 100% except new mafia to lay lowish and not make many waves. when you're pushed you go on the defensive and explain yourself but don't push blame elsewhere or deep dive others instead. you kinda just take the heat and keep moving. which is what i think would be a perfect maf partner for shawo. whos the exact opposite of that playstyle. flamboyant and loud and pushy and in your face. it's a perfect storm combo.
being mafia and making huge pushes and being flamboyant and drawing attention to yourself outside of defending reads on you is risky. especially if you're new to being mafia / new to mafia to begin with. your hesitation and lack of committing to one person or another to me is what gave me gut scumleans and it only grew as time went on.
I suppose I could see that, but haven’t both me and betsy been sort of passive? I think there is a chance, though who knows how big, this is you trying to deflect and make a case for you being a bad partner for shawo
But you’re familiar with mafia, no? And with shawo? I fully believe you both could’ve pulled a longcon
It wasn’t me trying not to draw attention to myself, but trying to observe and not lead us down false paths. I was just kinda trying to get a feel for the flow of the game that’s already been set up by more experienced players and see what i could figure out.
I tried to offer up things when I thought they were helpful or when someone said something that I didn’t get or didn’t think was true
Shawo was chaotic, and suspicious, and I was honestly looking for a partner to them so I could make some kind of big argument when I thought I had it. What confused me more than anything was the fact that he was seeming to be helpful mechanically and even pointed out things about them we should’ve been suspicious on
If you guys thought I was suspicious and planned on voting me in the f3, then, knowing I was town, I was fine with being voted out yesterday. I thought maybe it WOULD give you enough to go off of to solve it with your big brains and then it would save town from eliminating a townie today.
You seem like the opposite of shawo’s stuff in a lot of ways too. Like no eliminating first day while shawo started a bw and asking for emotional/gut appeals to things when shawo talked mechanics
And them the comment about betsy and shawo beating you up still gets me lol
did you correctly identify the maf team early? or was this because shawo expected their downfall and needed you to place suspicion on another person?
You also suspected betsy d1, but don’t anymore, right? Can you walk me through that? How did you go from betsy to it being me or random for sure?
same, i will get on my arguments tonight but i feel i need a bit to like. refresh my brain and look at it with fresh eyes and full attention. Going to try to relook at posts though and get preliminary thoughts down for myself
rereading here and i think this was misunderstood. i was talking about d1, which i don't think you did go as far as voting shawo. d2, even if maf!tae, you would've had no choice at this point
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im gonna go ahead and post my recaps so you guys can go ahead and clarify anything that's already asked or that you just want to idk but I don't feel like I'm going to be getting any further going back. I have a few theories though they're not very fleshed out
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Tae's recap (with some questions spiced in)
Tae D1 recap:
Interestingly, lots of engagement with shawo
But it’s all confrontational?
Distancing? Genuine?
Says gut is to never trust trent and never trust shawo
Is not down with sheep d1 violence (but shawo’s pointed out the benefit of d1 violence at this point..)
Defends trent’s no elim status
Then a “just for the record” about the sus on shawo and trent both being null now
Says trent is a “hard read”
Interestingly, mentions both me and betsy in a post, starting to throw sus on both d1
Focuses on what betsy’s mafia chat means for besty (obvlious!town or mafia ploy?)
Points out betsy’s townlean on shawo and specifically asked “random or shawo?”
If maf!tae, why put so much pressure towards a mafia partner? Distancing?
Interestingly, ONLY suspects me and betsy d1 (consistent opinions tho)
Town: Consistent
Mafia: Me and betsy are top suspects?
Town: Set up because of this
Thinks sheep wants to fear kill trent
Trent scary and hard to read
…Then claims Trent’s transparency and apathy towards dying = town
Can we get more on why so certain?
Agrees to the possibility mafia is leading the vote on trent
Tae D2 recap:
That one post about betsy and shawo beating them up lol
Tae disagrees with betsy’s fall guy argument
Calls shawo out for flipping a 180 on tessa
Townreads betsy; Thought betsy was softing cop (But yesterday said they suspected betsy…)
Yikes:™: at randoms start of day post
Offers up possibility of coaching for me but then goes idk because i was “shy”
For some reason then goes to asking sheep if they think it’s me or tessa, saying they don’t think it’s tessa
Ult says i’m the strongest maf read but then says it’s “process of elimination”
Tae D3 recap:
“Sidney or random”
Post 649
Tae clarifies the whole shawo vote was a joke
Think this would be a good distancing technique.
But says my skirmish with shawo is mafia ploy
Thinks i thought too much about the nightkill (not that I’m being asked here; but I was pattern following)
Would evaluate random if it was me and vice versa (Will you evaulate betsy again today? Or stick with that until you hear a better argument?)
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Betsy's recap
Betsy D1 recap:
Asks about elim vs no elim
Openly wants to vote out a wolf
Acting?
Volunteers starlit as a vote, says it was to prompt activity
Later says it was to bait inexperienced mafia
Backs off inactives when replacement is mentioned
Townleans sheep based off previous play
Later says “no idea”on sheep
Offers up random and tae for “no substance, no prodding, no voting”
Null read on trent; he’s “observing”; unsure for what
Mentions det miselim possibility as “The only reason not elim d1”
Why go for those “light on posting”?
Possibly: easy later cover up
Possibly: To avoid a yesterday situation
Also: with above point, why? (I don’t remember what this meant I wrote it at 2am)
Townleans shawo based off previous games
Additionally townleans me, starlit, and tessa
Stuck on random’s posts
Lol same
Points out similarities between my points and then tae’s later posts
Says tae has lots of unoriginal posts; does not see a tae/shawo team though
Ends d1 with a tae sus (“then random”)
Betsy D2 recap:
“Perfect fall guy”
“Ok with being voted; may give more info”
Positive on the reads being given
Shawo’s strongest town read
Interestingly, doesn’t think it’s me OR tae anymore
Why not tae anymore? Why not me anymore?
Overall not much else given; aside from random sus
Betsy D3 recap:
Thinks it’s random and focuses on random. BUT says never can be sure and tries to give a random a chance. Doesn’t vote random initially.
Says she doesn’t know who it would be outside of random
Tinfoil “shawo knew he would be investigated”
Some emphasis on not knowing shawo’s playstyle and regretting d1?
688 betsy explains why she changed to not sussing tae
Betsy “would bus” but voting is “too far”
Betsy refuses to just vote random final day; says she’ll evaluate everyone
Then “sidney or random”
Points out how easy for mafia it would be to vote me out then random tomorrow
“I’m on the same side”
Won’t promise auto-vote to me to tae (think this would be an easier option for maf)
but then at the end didn't really have a "i'm leaning this way over the other way" at all.
it was just recaps w/ a few questions put into place on some things she was sus of but giving the opportunity for us to reply.
sidney also replies to both betsy and i's arguments or point on eachother but was super passive with all of them.
"yeah i can see this being possible. i can see this one also being possible" for both sides. she was smack dab in the middle the whole time saying she see's both sides and never really truly pushes one way over another. she had a few "i still think it might be betsy" posts but never pushed betsy?
why stay so passive this close to the end of the game. sure you can argue that it's a very town way to play, but if you argue that than you can't use the argument against me for "wanting other people to say their thoughts" as well. because sure i wanna hear yall's thoughts but i also had my own case i built and pushed in the process. im allowed to question peoples reads and want to know how they feel about people even if i have a case in my head that im pushing. i might be wrong. maybe its not sidney, but how can i believe im wrong when i don't have thoughts and cases built on other people who might interpret things other's say than i do?
If I'm wrong and you're right, at least you'll have the satisfaction of being right, lol. But since I think it's you, I gotta risk being wrong...
But you didn't start the day with even recapping your sidney case.
Couple things to address here- I was just stating how I viewed Sidney's response to the two votes on her. This is clipped from the above quote- because you townread sidney for her stance on "well i guess if my death brings more info" its townie, but here that argument doens't hold up for her because the mechanics have changed. its MYLO.
I don't understand what you mean by the argument not holding up here because it's mylo. I was talking about Sidney's response to the two votes on her yesterday? I might be confused on what you are saying.
Also- I townread sidney for most of the game for different reasons, not just her reaction to possible elim.
As for the det being outed, I've played games with no cops with similar response - well I'm town, but fine, go ahead, maybe it'll help solve.
Everyone's different, but I believe if it were maf!sidney, she would have at the very least really given a hard push to eliminate somebody else.
I mean, I obviously thought random was our better option
But when the argument was “we want more posts and info than random will give” then like….idk what you want me to says besides if you think it’ll give you the info you need to solve when I flip town then do it but tomorrow make sure you look into EVERYONE instead of auto voting from today, on the off chance it really wasn’t random
I also don’t understand why when we revisited everyone (well. i attempted to.) tae didn’t really (unless i missed it somehow?)
i also wanna add in that d3 sidney had a few posts like this:
two seperate times stating that she needs to get thoughts together:
then her d3 "reads" were not really reads, just kind of day recaps with a few questions sprinkled in:
but then at the end didn't really have a "i'm leaning this way over the other way" at all.
it was just recaps w/ a few questions put into place on some things she was sus of but giving the opportunity for us to reply.
sidney also replies to both betsy and i's arguments or point on eachother but was super passive with all of them.
"yeah i can see this being possible. i can see this one also being possible" for both sides. she was smack dab in the middle the whole time saying she see's both sides and never really truly pushes one way over another. she had a few "i still think it might be betsy" posts but never pushed betsy?
why stay so passive this close to the end of the game. sure you can argue that it's a very town way to play, but if you argue that than you can't use the argument against me for "wanting other people to say their thoughts" as well. because sure i wanna hear yall's thoughts but i also had my own case i built and pushed in the process. im allowed to question peoples reads and want to know how they feel about people even if i have a case in my head that im pushing. i might be wrong. maybe its not sidney, but how can i believe im wrong when i don't have thoughts and cases built on other people who might interpret things other's say than i do?
From gut, betsy and I know I will cry if it is and I voted from
From logic, I think it’s you
I don’t have a big bank of mafia patterns to pull from to try to figure it out. I jumped head first into my other game two years and thought this would be a fun time to just jump into again. And had the unfortunate luck of playing a game where shawo was part of the mafia and things got way chaotic
I don’t see the point in building a big case when I don’t have anything groundbreaking. I was convinced even if it wasn’t random yesterday, f3 would be better without them.
I’m also thinking this is very possibly you setting me up. From a couple of things. The first to come to mind is that you focused on the nk a lot and tried to place suspicion on me when I said I thought it would be tessa; and focus on it even when we determined it was to give us little info
The second being that I’ve suspected betsy all game. And you suspected betsy at one point too.
Heading in suspecting me, and then switching to betsy without fighting this argument for me too, makes me think maf!tae was hoping me and betsy would just be at each other today. OR that they would get lucky and I would be gone yesterday. then “oops betsy you’re right it’s definitely random”.
It’s either that or betsy is big brain and set you up big time
Couple things to address here- I was just stating how I viewed Sidney's response to the two votes on her. This is clipped from the above quote- because you townread sidney for her stance on "well i guess if my death brings more info" its townie, but here that argument doens't hold up for her because the mechanics have changed. its MYLO.
I don't understand what you mean by the argument not holding up here because it's mylo. I was talking about Sidney's response to the two votes on her yesterday? I might be confused on what you are saying.
Also- I townread sidney for most of the game for different reasons, not just her reaction to possible elim.
As for the det being outed, I've played games with no cops with similar response - well I'm town, but fine, go ahead, maybe it'll help solve.
Everyone's different, but I believe if it were maf!sidney, she would have at the very least really given a hard push to eliminate somebody else.
maybe im too aggressive town for my own good, but i can't fathom the idea of "im town but kill me i guess ill take it"
it doesn't seem productive imo. i mean, shawo basically laid down and took his death in stride after not CCing the det. i can't risk the chance that sidney's also taken that kind of playstyle in the hopes it comes across as more town than maf.
I suppose I could see that, but haven’t both me and betsy been sort of passive? I think there is a chance, though who knows how big, this is you trying to deflect and make a case for you being a bad partner for shawo
i don't think betsy is passive though?
she's never really been passive. she's been throwing out tinfoils and what ifs and all kinds of things. which is why i townread her over you mostly. she's still actively pushing stuff and pressuring. which is what id expect town to do, especially at MYLO.
i'd g/quit if i was maf partners w/ shawo dudes too chaotic. LOL
i mean i guess? but i feel like if we had to longcon the game there would be better ways for me to end up f3 than with you two.
ive said it a million times, but maf!tae wouldn't put themselves in this f3 mylo situation bc this is absolute hell and id like to believe id have more braincells than this.
It wasn’t me trying not to draw attention to myself, but trying to observe and not lead us down false paths. I was just kinda trying to get a feel for the flow of the game that’s already been set up by more experienced players and see what i could figure out.
I tried to offer up things when I thought they were helpful or when someone said something that I didn’t get or didn’t think was true
which is a good argument, but still can be viewed as a trope of "im new im not confident and i wanna appear like im helping but i don't wanna choose wrong." you're not the first person to play this way and im not judging you or your playstyle because of it im just saying it can be viewed wolfy and townie in the same breath.
You seem like the opposite of shawo’s stuff in a lot of ways too. Like no eliminating first day while shawo started a bw and asking for emotional/gut appeals to things when shawo talked mechanics
shawo wanted to prolly eliminate me bc of my no-elim stance afterwards. but like i still hold true to my no-elim over trent dying would have been better. esp since he nailed the shawo maf! on his dying breath. im salty.
i did not correctly identify scum team no. i voted shawo when his defense to det's claim was so sad and unbelievable theres no way it wasnt him. i would have voted him even if he tried to CC det, but like, i wanted to see him struggle first.
im always sus of shawo bc i adore him and i always suspect its the people i know outside of the game. thats just how i am d1.
betsy!sus on my end was because her tinfoil reads were so polarizing i felt like it was too wild to be townie. that and the push and tunnel on wanting to elim inactive players was so anti-town imo from a strand point that we have 2 replacements lined up. granted, after re-reading her far ffetched mafia chat thing reads more town based on how obvious of a silly question it was and you can tell it was just inactive tunnel and tinfoil what ifs. her hatred for inactives stems from games not having replacements and i can understand the bias towards wanting to gun for inactives based on that sole reasoning. i think gunning for inactive kills can be VERY wolfy, but after her response and explanation, and her past experiences in this game, i don't believe it was wolfy.
it doesn't seem productive imo. i mean, shawo basically laid down and took his death in stride after not CCing the det. i can't risk the chance that sidney's also taken that kind of playstyle in the hopes it comes
I’m also thinking this is very possibly you setting me up. From a couple of things. The first to come to mind is that you focused on the nk a lot and tried to place suspicion on me when I said I thought it would be tessa; and focus on it even when we determined it was to give us little info
The second being that I’ve suspected betsy all game. And you suspected betsy at one point too.
going into f3, if you're not thinking about why the nk happened idk what to tell you but i don't think its very town to not think about it.
i think nks give a lot of info. opens the door for so many theories, which is why i spent the first hour of f3 thinking about why tessa was killed. what motive and what things could mafia be thinking in killing tessa outside of the thought of it being "less info provided".
sure she was townread by us all, except betsy slightly bc betsy definitely started thinking about tessa more after shawo's 180 onto her..
Heading in suspecting me, and then switching to betsy without fighting this argument for me too, makes me think maf!tae was hoping me and betsy would just be at each other today. OR that they would get lucky and I would be gone yesterday. then “oops betsy you’re right it’s definitely random”.
my vote on betsy is self preservation.
i was picking some of your posts around and still giving her info on your plays and your gamestyle and im still pushing you. if betsy sees my points and can agree to them im 100% down to push you out today over her. but logistically if it comes down to a me vs betsy i have to vote betsy bc i know im town and not voting to save town isn't going to win the game.
he had a half assed argument against why det claim wasn't valid. thats pretty much a "lay down and take it" stance in shawo's book.
ive seen him fight to his dying breathe and he did not do that here.
im saying sidney and shawo play very differently at a regular standpoint. sidney doesnt make waves and just defends herself and doesnt push. shwo's the opposite, but when he died this game he kinda just went "heres my defense its not me" and then died with that. didn't really push to his normal standards.
i think sidney's style of defending herself is like how shawo did this game before his death.
"its not me" but didn't push a super hard case onto someone else.
Heading in suspecting me, and then switching to betsy without fighting this argument for me too, makes me think maf!tae was hoping me and betsy would just be at each other today. OR that they would get lucky and I would be gone yesterday. then “oops betsy you’re right it’s definitely random”.
wouldn't the smarter route have been to absolutely death tunnel you then? and push betsy to vote you out instead? leaving random in f3 rather than stating my case and leaving it up to a 50/50 rng chance? why wouldn't i buckle down and just say "ok a 50/50 chance is fine then" at the eod.
if i wanted random in f3, i 100% as mafia could have pushed to find a way to make it happen. why would i be so passive about it if it was the easier route to take?
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why would i willingly place myself in a position where betsy (who sussed me d1 and is prone to tunneling and not townread me) in f3 with me and my biggest sus? bc you sussed betsy previously? that doesn't do jack for me here because you don't push anyway, the likelihood of me chancing that you'd fight for your life when you haven't done that all game really in f3 would be terrible odds for maf!tae.
what motive and what things could mafia be thinking in killing tessa outside of the thought of it being "less info provided".
sure she was townread by us all, except betsy slightly bc betsy definitely started thinking about tessa more after shawo's 180 onto her..
I'm thinking about wile e's shawo's intentions in his last rantings reads. Theories- maybe singling out tessa from everyone else in a combo reverse psychology move so that we'd sus her? It seems too simple and obvious to be distancing, more like a set up.
why would i willingly place myself in a position where betsy (who sussed me d1 and is prone to tunneling and not townread me) in f3 with me and my biggest sus?
Because in failing to get rid of sidney with the vote, you were left with the options of sidney, tessa, myself for f3. Sidney is most sus of me, and I tend to omgus....seems like a good chance for maf!tae.
if i wanted random in f3, i 100% as mafia could have pushed to find a way to make it happen. why would i be so passive about it if it was the easier route to take?
Because in failing to get rid of sidney with the vote, you were left with the options of sidney, tessa, myself for f3. Sidney is most sus of me, and I tend to omgus....seems like a good chance for maf!tae.
but if it was me tessa sidney, sidney would be the easy kill in f3.
tessa already had sus of sidney along w/ me. logistically speaking chancing it on you two would have a go at it would be foolish. absolutely and utterly foolish. the possibility that you'd tunnel me would be too high. and i think that was taken into account as to why we're left where we're at. it's sidney man. i don't have enough game experience as mafia to put my eggs into a basket like that and chance a f3 like this. i've been mafia like once and i got caught EARLY.
it would have been so much easier today if you had been the nk for maf!tae.
i mean somewhat yeah thats possible. but knowing im town, and seeing where todays landed, idk what to think anymore?
nothing i do or say can convince you it's sidney, and you're dead set on killing town today so what do i do here? what options do i have? do i still vote sidney and die town and lose? or do i push in hopes that maybe, just maybe, you're actually a wolf who's pushing the eod f3 kill on townie?
If it is betsy then I’m just cry and eat plastic I guess but I think I’m seeing maf!tae right now
Even with these explanations I just don’t think I really buy that it’s betsy setting tae up; it feels way more out there than it just being tae being smart and sneaky
I think i’ll be voting tae and hoping our spectators are kind to me if I am somehow wrong and should’ve stuck with the original gut
If it is betsy then I’m just cry and eat plastic I guess but I think I’m seeing maf!tae right now
Even with these explanations I just don’t think I really buy that it’s betsy setting tae up; it feels way more out there than it just being tae being smart and sneaky
I think i’ll be voting tae and hoping our spectators are kind to me if I am somehow wrong and should’ve stuck with the original gut
man, thats unfortunate. but i assumed you'd eventually "oh well i guess it's tae after all" you know, keep the townie appearance up when you know you're killing a tonwie here atfer sheeping your "most sussed player"
