Mafia Monster Mash Mafia Game Thread (Town Win!)

[tae]

It's everything I've said previoysly, but here's the most basic- fmpov, all through the game it appears that you slightly misrepresent things sometimes in order to create suspicion around people. I've given a few examples in my earlier posts. One good example is the beginning of this f3, you used my 'anger' (nonexistent, lol) and my 'tae tunnel' (which I explained meant I would not auto vote sidney) to attempt to justify your brand new view 'well gosh, it might be betsy after all'.

i think i might takes things wrong, but i wouldn’t say i do it on purpose. i like you, tin foil a lot and reading thoughts and not hearing them verbally leaves a lot up for interpretation on my end. you came out the gate super bold and in my eyes it read as anger, even if that wasn’t intended. the “re-open the tae tunnel” in my eyes read as a ‘ok it’s tae let’s get em’ and not a ‘time to reevaluate everyone’ tone. but to say my new view of it might be betsy wasn’t new. there was sus d1 which i dropped after explanations. and in the same sense that you had to reevaluate me i also needed to leave your door open to look around in too.

I think you have tried to set up a situation where you want others to make a case to 'convince' you to vote for pretty much anyone but yourself.

it’s more so that i have my case and my thoughts, and hearing others’ cases helps. like, if someone thinks my case is bad or untrue i want them to prove it and show me who else it could be if not her. i built my case and i have my sus and if not everyone agrees that’s fine- but if they don’t agree i wanna know why they don’t and i wanna know who they think it is instead. idk why that’s viewed as wolfy to you?

And while it is possible sidney is the wolf, I believe she is town and that you are hoping she comes up with something that would enable you to switch your vote to me, even though previously you were "99% convinced" it was sidney and would fight for it.

i won’t even be here for EOD. i’m voting Sidney today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i still believe sidney would have flipped red yesterday. i wish you did too.

I believe you thought sidney would automatically vote me, and I might omgus vote her in return (because I have shown my omgus tendencies in this game). That would leave wolfy you with the deciding vote.

you’re wrong here, i didnt think either of you would autovote anyone today. from a maf!tae perspective you two are the last two people i would have wanted to f3 with. it’s too much and from a maf!tae perspective i’d be an idiot to put myself here.

The d3 case against sidney, imo, was not very strong, and while I did give it consideration, and it is possible it's wolf!sidney, I also thought there could be an ulterior motive for it. This post, imo, makes that motive clear.



Honestly? Ok, so you'll push for sidney because it's "99%" sidney, but honestly if sidney flips green, you'll honestly reconsider random in f3?

Honestly? Seemed like an f3 random set up to me.

i answered this already. i believed sidney would go down and the game would be over and no f3 would happen and random wouldn’t even matter. but if he did end up in f3, he’d be evaluated again.

In tessa's posts, she repeats this, that she was basing her sidney sus in large part because of a gut feeling she had all along, and your arguments. Her argument for sidney was gut, and possibly manufactured interactions between shawo/sidney.

That's some of it.

shawo/sidney early interactions i just can’t let go. if you don’t think that’s a strong enough case i can’t make you change your mind.

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Yep...wolfy confirmed, imo.

Basically - hello sidney, that other town is voting me, but I'm gonna pretend she hasn't said why. Then I can convince you to vote her with me....and since you've sussed her all along, you're the perfect target for my schemes. Psh.

I have explained it, and even under my reads yesterday mentioned it as a possibility.

I may be an idiot, but as this day goes by, I'm feeling a bit more confident it's maf!tae. If I'm wrong, not the first time, but I'm starting to think I might have it right this time....

because i told her to vote for who she wants to? that makes me mafia? that’s kinda grasping at straws don’t you think? nobody’s called you an idiot here. i simply asked if you posted current spot on where you landed and what exactly makes me wolfy to justify the vote. i had seen previous cases but you didn’t post anything new.

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well, that’s a pain. betsy i think you’re making a mistake. and if you wanna vote me that’s fine i won’t stop you. and sidney can do as she pleases and although i‘m sad here because i think you’re down a rabbit hole you won’t crawl out of, you’re voting town here.

 

[BetsySundrop]

hopefully she comes back within an hour. ik internet troubles can be the real deal… but how convenient that could also be.. to know i’m set on you… while she votes me… and knows you’d have to vote out of self preservation to save yourself… tin foil here but… yeahhhhh

While I do have things going on, and the site did crash on me a few times, I did not just say oop internet issues and disappear. I have been checking/posting/responding periodically. The above post from you is the ultimate in terms of scummy behavior.

And here is some logic...you have established many times over that you are convinced and set on voting sidney. If I were the wolf, why on earth would I do anything other than waste time and then eventually join you in voting sidney? That makes no sense at all.

 

[tae]

While I do have things going on, and the site did crash on me a few times, I did not just say oop internet issues and disappear. I have been checking/posting/responding periodically. The above post from you is the ultimate in terms of scummy behavior.

well you don’t have your activity on so none of us can see when you’re here. and i even stated that internet issues can be real. it was food for thought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And here is some logic...you have established many times over that you are convinced and set on voting sidney. If I were the wolf, why on earth would I do anything other than waste time and then eventually join you in voting sidney? That makes no sense at all.

because there’s no hammer?

because we could both vote out the gate, but leave the thread empty after that which looks hella sus?? like, if there was a hammer in place there’s no reason not to auto vote as mafia. but when there’s no hammer voting and dipping for the rest of the game is hella sus.

 

[Sidney]

Sooo frustrating.




I swear on my enchanted bloom collectible, it's not me.
(And considering the mirrored hades I went through to get it, that's no small swear).



It's everything I've said previoysly, but here's the most basic- fmpov, all through the game it appears that you slightly misrepresent things sometimes in order to create suspicion around people. I've given a few examples in my earlier posts. One good example is the beginning of this f3, you used my 'anger' (nonexistent, lol) and my 'tae tunnel' (which I explained meant I would not auto vote sidney) to attempt to justify your brand new view 'well gosh, it might be betsy after all'.

I think you have tried to set up a situation where you want others to make a case to 'convince' you to vote for pretty much anyone but yourself.

And while it is possible sidney is the wolf, I believe she is town and that you are hoping she comes up with something that would enable you to switch your vote to me, even though previously you were "99% convinced" it was sidney and would fight for it.

I believe you thought sidney would automatically vote me, and I might omgus vote her in return (because I have shown my omgus tendencies in this game). That would leave wolfy you with the deciding vote.

The d3 case against sidney, imo, was not very strong, and while I did give it consideration, and it is possible it's wolf!sidney, I also thought there could be an ulterior motive for it. This post, imo, makes that motive clear.



Honestly? Ok, so you'll push for sidney because it's "99%" sidney, but honestly if sidney flips green, you'll honestly reconsider random in f3?

Honestly? Seemed like an f3 random set up to me.



In tessa's posts, she repeats this, that she was basing her sidney sus in large part because of a gut feeling she had all along, and your arguments. Her argument for sidney was gut, and possibly manufactured interactions between shawo/sidney.

That's some of it.

Man I could see this too

I hate it here like actually

The only thing I’m certain of is that it’s not me. I’ve already given my best arguments for the both of you
Yep...wolfy confirmed, imo.

Basically - hello sidney, that other town is voting me, but I'm gonna pretend she hasn't said why. Then I can convince you to vote her with me....and since you've sussed her all along, you're the perfect target for my schemes. Psh.

I have explained it, and even under my reads yesterday mentioned it as a possibility.

I may be an idiot, but as this day goes by, I'm feeling a bit more confident it's maf!tae. If I'm wrong, not the first time, but I'm starting to think I might have it right this time....

I’m also not going to just vote you and throw the game like that

I want to win

i think i might takes things wrong, but i wouldn’t say i do it on purpose. i like you, tin foil a lot and reading thoughts and not hearing them verbally leaves a lot up for interpretation on my end. you came out the gate super bold and in my eyes it read as anger, even if that wasn’t intended. the “re-open the tae tunnel” in my eyes read as a ‘ok it’s tae let’s get em’ and not a ‘time to reevaluate everyone’ tone. but to say my new view of it might be betsy wasn’t new. there was sus d1 which i dropped after explanations. and in the same sense that you had to reevaluate me i also needed to leave your door open to look around in too.



it’s more so that i have my case and my thoughts, and hearing others’ cases helps. like, if someone thinks my case is bad or untrue i want them to prove it and show me who else it could be if not her. i built my case and i have my sus and if not everyone agrees that’s fine- but if they don’t agree i wanna know why they don’t and i wanna know who they think it is instead. idk why that’s viewed as wolfy to you?

I mean, I would also think there would be more solving from y’all with more experience but

i won’t even be here for EOD. i’m voting Sidney today. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i still believe sidney would have flipped red yesterday. i wish you did too.

This too…

you’re wrong here, i didnt think either of you would autovote anyone today. from a maf!tae perspective you two are the last two people i would have wanted to f3 with. it’s too much and from a maf!tae perspective i’d be an idiot to put myself here.

No thoughts head empty in thsi one

i answered this already. i believed sidney would go down and the game would be over and no f3 would happen and random wouldn’t even matter. but if he did end up in f3, he’d be evaluated again.

But if you were willing to evaluate random again f3, why leave the possibility of being wrong and random being in f3? just curious

shawo/sidney early interactions i just can’t let go. if you don’t think that’s a strong enough case i can’t make you change your mind.

wouldn’t the point be to change her mind, too? If you really think it’s me?

It’s not me and i disagree that those are strong enough to convict me. I still hold true shawo was uust targeting an easy target

because i told her to vote for who she wants to? that makes me mafia? that’s kinda grasping at straws don’t you think? nobody’s called you an idiot here. i simply asked if you posted current spot on where you landed and what exactly makes me wolfy to justify the vote. i had seen previous cases but you didn’t post anything new.

I think that’s because it splits the vote three ways right now
and if you won’t vote betsy, why would i? then town would lose

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well, that’s a pain. betsy i think you’re making a mistake. and if you wanna vote me that’s fine i won’t stop you. and sidney can do as she pleases and although i‘m sad here because i think you’re down a rabbit hole you won’t crawl out of, you’re voting town here.

huh….

 

[tae]

But if you were willing to evaluate random again f3, why leave the possibility of being wrong and random being in f3? just curious

because by eliminating you i thought the game would end. if the game didn’t end i’d be forced to reconsider that it’s a real possibility of it being random / someone else.

wouldn’t the point be to change her mind, too? If you really think it’s me?

i’ve stated my case and she says it’s not enough for her, what more can i add to convince her? i’m the same sense that you don’t have much more to add to me to convince me it wasn’t you.

I think that’s because it splits the vote three ways right now
and if you won’t vote betsy, why would i? then town would lose

if i *have* to vote betsy to self preserve myself then i vote betsy. i know i’m town and even if i think it’s you, it’s f3 and i gotta do everything i can to make sure town wins here. even if it means going against my strongest read.

 

[Sidney]

While I do have things going on, and the site did crash on me a few times, I did not just say oop internet issues and disappear. I have been checking/posting/responding periodically. The above post from you is the ultimate in terms of scummy behavior.

And here is some logic...you have established many times over that you are convinced and set on voting sidney. If I were the wolf, why on earth would I do anything other than waste time and then eventually join you in voting sidney? That makes no sense at all.

well you don’t have your activity on so none of us can see when you’re here. and i even stated that internet issues can be real. it was food for thought. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



because there’s no hammer?

because we could both vote out the gate, but leave the thread empty after that which looks hella sus?? like, if there was a hammer in place there’s no reason not to auto vote as mafia. but when there’s no hammer voting and dipping for the rest of the game is hella sus.

Okay so hammer i assume is when two votes = day end

I had internet issues first day (apartment wifi sucks) so i don’t think it’s mafia alone or anything either

the only thing I’m absolutely certain of at this point is my town status

I can see the argument for tae too but still want to say it’s betsy because I’m going to scream and cry and eat plastic if i vote tae and it WAS betsy all along

i actually hate it here (joke. i don’t actually actually)

 

[BetsySundrop]

well, that’s a pain. betsy i think you’re making a mistake. and if you wanna vote me that’s fine i won’t stop you. and sidney can do as she pleases and although i‘m sad here because i think you’re down a rabbit hole you won’t crawl out of, you’re voting town here.

You both say that. (And ftr I was calling myself an idiot if I've got it wrong).

The problem I have- every time Sidney's been up for big sus/vote/etc it's the same response. Pretty much, 'well I'm town, but if it'll provide info..'. It reads as more resigned town than anything else. But your reactions seem more prickly wolf reactions.

If I'm wrong, well I'm sorry- especially to tessa, we can be f3 fail friends, lol..
But if I'm right, I will have saved the lives of millions of registered voters will finally, finally win a town game.

because there’s no hammer?

because we could both vote out the gate, but leave the thread empty after that which looks hella sus?? like, if there was a hammer in place there’s no reason not to auto vote as mafia. but when there’s no hammer voting and dipping for the rest of the game is hella sus.

I don't know what a hammer is.

I have no idea what you mean, leave the thread empty after that? I never said anything about leaving the thread empty... (Another misrep from tae)

I also did not say I was voting and dipping for the rest of the game. Nor did I vote and dip for the rest of the game. In fact, I said I would be back to read responses. (Another misrep from tae).

Thank you for the extra wolf!tae examples...

 

[Sidney]

guys…..why

why would you do this to me

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tae why did we go from idk how to convince betsy it’s sidney to voting betsy…

 

[BetsySundrop]

if i *have* to vote betsy to self preserve myself then i vote betsy. i know i’m town and even if i think it’s you, it’s f3 and i gotta do everything i can to make sure town wins here. even if it means going against my strongest read.

Read the above carefully.

You (tae) state that you think it's sidney.

But you are willing to vote me (betsy) to self preserve, even though your belief that it's sidney means joining the wolf and guaranteeing a town loss.

But you say that this is your way of making sure town wins?

Illogical.

 

[tae]

You both say that. (And ftr I was calling myself an idiot if I've got it wrong).

The problem I have- every time Sidney's been up for big sus/vote/etc it's the same response. Pretty much, 'well I'm town, but if it'll provide info..'. It reads as more resigned town than anything else. But your reactions seem more prickly wolf reactions.

so being more lax in responses = more town to you?

I don't know what a hammer is.

a hammer is once a certain majority hit, the day ends immediately and whoever’s voted is hammered.

I have no idea what you mean, leave the thread empty after that? I never said anything about leaving the thread empty... (Another misrep from tae)

I also did not say I was voting and dipping for the rest of the game. Nor did I vote and dip for the rest of the game. In fact, I said I would be back to read responses. (Another misrep from tae).

Thank you for the extra wolf!tae examples...

i wasn’t misrepresenting you. i was explaining why the argument of what you said could be seen differently. that’s the point of the game. to push things from different viewpoints to make people question things. the only thing i know is my own role. so ofc i’m gonna view everything anyone says from potential different viewpoints.

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Read the above carefully.

You (tae) state that you think it's sidney.

But you are willing to vote me (betsy) to self preserve, even though your belief that it's sidney means joining the wolf and guaranteeing a town loss.

But you say that this is your way of making sure town wins?

Illogical.

if *i* know i’m town, it’s a 50/50 split between you and sidney logically speaking. i believe it’s sidney. but if you don’t follow that same viewpoint and im being voted against by you, then yes the logical way to play this out is for me to chance the 50/50 of hitting maf in f3, vs the 100% me dying town.

 

[BetsySundrop]

guys…..why

why would you do this to me

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tae why did we go from idk how to convince betsy it’s sidney to voting betsy…

Not intentional. I've tried to give all my reads, reasons. Tried to respond to everything. Of course there is a chance I'm wrong, but with the recent posts, my vote is staying.

 

[Sidney]

I’m going to cry and eat plastic if I vote tae and it’s betsy after all but I’m really starting to see the tae argument more right now

I understand yesterday even less now that tae was willing to change their vote

And willing to eval random again today but not willing to make sure they don’t end up in the f3?

idk man

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Tae changing their vote feels like a trap to me somehow

though this whole day feels like a trap

 

[tae]

guys…..why

why would you do this to me

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tae why did we go from idk how to convince betsy it’s sidney to voting betsy…

bc she’s bunkered down. and i know im town.

so ultimately me not voting for her in self preservation as town is a guaranteed lose. by voting her (in my eyes) it’s a 50/50 chance.

i don’t like it. but i know 50/50 is better than a 100% lose by killing me, the clownie townie

 

[BetsySundrop]

One interesting thing here, is that rather than try to convince me it's sidney by addressing the doubts I had, tae has flipped onto me and voted me, and is now trying to simultaneously:

-Maintain his sidney sus. (I'm assuming in case I change my mind, which I won't)

-Vote me and attempt to paint me with the sus brush in hopes sidney (his wolf read) joins him in voting me.

If you really are town, this is awfully wolfy behavior....

 

[tae]

I understand yesterday even less now that tae was willing to change their vote

my vote change is 100% due to game mechanics and probability. i still think it’s you. but if i split the vote and sit on you and betsy stays on me, town doesn’t win. killing me and not fighting to live is a town loss. chancing a 50/50 by voting betsy is better than laying down and letting town lose

 

[BetsySundrop]

I’m going to cry and eat plastic if I vote tae and it’s betsy after all but I’m really starting to see the tae argument more right now

I understand yesterday even less now that tae was willing to change their vote

And willing to eval random again today but not willing to make sure they don’t end up in the f3?

idk man

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Tae changing their vote feels like a trap to me somehow

though this whole day feels like a trap

I'll cry if it's you. But I'm sorry, I'm seeing too much wolf in tae right now.

I expect, because I'm not changing my mind, that he'll try to flip again and completely townread you, lol.

 

[tae]

One interesting thing here, is that rather than try to convince me it's sidney by addressing the doubts I had, tae has flipped onto me and voted me, and is now trying to simultaneously:

i’ve tried to convince you since d3 it’s been sidney. you just don’t think it’s strong enough wdym.

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I'll cry if it's you. But I'm sorry, I'm seeing too much wolf in tae right now.

I expect, because I'm not changing my mind, that he'll try to flip again and completely townread you, lol.

i don’t townread Sidney. i NEVER HAVE.

 

[BetsySundrop]

i don’t townread Sidney. i NEVER HAVE.

I never said you did. Did you misread or is it misrep again?

I said I would "expect" it, as in, I foresee the possibility of your reads flipping in the near future...

 

[tae]

Tae changing their vote feels like a trap to me somehow

though this whole day feels like a trap

not a trap. simply thinking probability wise. sorry you’re stuck here like this.

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I never said you did. Did you misread or is it misrep again?

I said I would "expect" it, as in, I foresee the possibility of your reads flipping in the near future...

i think i misread after reading it again

 

[BetsySundrop]

i’ve tried to convince you since d3 it’s been sidney. you just don’t think it’s strong enough wdym.

Fmpov, I think you've been more - keeping your options open, so to speak.