My Thoughts on Mumble

[Prof Gallows]

The cliquey attitude needs to go or at the very least, minimized

The problem isn't that there are cliques. It's the people that are the problem, and I'm really confused as to why nobody is addressing it. When people are constantly acting immature and being rude then nobody is going to want to be around them. When nobody wants them around it causes them to be avoided. When people don't like that person and that person has people they talk to that does like them, it causes "cliques".

So there is no solution to it. You can all complain and whine about it but you're all the ones doing it. Instead of preaching about change actually do it. But I've been saying this for months now. This is the fourth or fifth time I've repeated almost the same exact thing.

The problem is the people. And the problem is that the people refuse to change.

 

[Alice]

The problem isn't that there are cliques. It's the people that are the problem, and I'm really confused as to why nobody is addressing it. When people are constantly acting immature and being rude then nobody is going to want to be around them. When nobody wants them around it causes them to be avoided. When people don't like that person and that person has people they talk to that does like them, it causes "cliques".

So there is no solution to it. You can all complain and whine about it but you're all the ones doing it. Instead of preaching about change actually do it. But I've been saying this for months now. This is the fourth or fifth time I've repeated almost the same exact thing.

The problem is the people. And the problem is that the people refuse to change.

I honestly don't see very many cliques, I've seen a lot of newcomers generally welcomed into the IRC. Or maybe I'm just overly friendly and don't pay much mind. I can't been on mumble much, so I guess I can't talk like I know how people act on it.

 

[Lauren]

Well the next game is no pm anyway so there won't be any chatting as much anyway. I don't think mafia is the problem, yes it does take over the chat, it is overwhelming when you're not playing. I think when people fall out they don't come in, I know when I've had falling outs I try not to speak. But recently I've not bothered, just ignore those who you're not friends with and be nice to others

- - - Post Merge - - -

I wouldn't want to see the mumble go! But if it has to then I suppose there's no choice

 

[Yui Z]

As for the IRC chat, I don't see it as much of a problem. I feel uncomfortable whenever people form their cliques and end up leaving sometimes. I disagree that it's just the people, as some haven't done anything or said anything to be ignored. It's usually the new members who aren't welcome, which I think is unfair for them.

Maybe the IRC could actually start using the the channels instead of only using the main one. The main part could be for general discussion, where everyone is welcome to join the chat. Then if people would rather chat in their cliques, they could form their own channel (and inviting whoever they want to) instead of taking over the main board while everyone else watches awkwardly.
I haven't seen too many mafia discussions, but that might be me being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There could be a mafia channel for that, and maybe even an AC channel if people would use it.

 

[Lauren]

As for the IRC chat, I don't see it as much of a problem. I feel uncomfortable whenever people form their cliques and end up leaving sometimes. I disagree that it's just the people, as some haven't done anything or said anything to be ignored. It's usually the new members who aren't welcome, which I think is unfair for them.

Maybe the IRC could actually start using the the channels instead of only using the main one. The main part could be for general discussion, where everyone is welcome to join the chat. Then if people would rather chat in their cliques, they could form their own channel (and inviting whoever they want to) instead of taking over the main board while everyone else watches awkwardly.
I haven't seen too many mafia discussions, but that might be me being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
There could be a mafia channel for that, and maybe even an AC channel if people would use it.

Mafia discussions usually take place when the day and night posts are posted for about 30 mins to an hour.

I would like to say sorry to anyone if I have upset you, I don't feel I have but if i have I do apologise, that was not my intention.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Since I've been a regular of the IRC since there'd usually be about 6-10 people in at at a time (mostly talking to Harry <3), and I have been on and off the Mumble since its start, I felt like I'd comment on this.
Now, I'm not sure where any of you would put me, but I tend to try to stay away from the cliques and drama of the IRC and Mumble. My personal opinion on the "exclusion" on the IRC and Mumble is that it's quite similar to real life. People get left out sometimes, and it's really not each person's job to try to include everyone in every discussion. If you aren't good chatting with people, then you really just need to learn how. It's an important life skill, and it's one that you need to work on. I'm sure some of you wouldn't really be able to tell, but I'm quite introverted myself and naturally have a tough time talking to people.
Another big factor of people thinking they're being they aren't wanted is that they're either young or just downright annoying. If people are joining the IRC or Mumble to relax, I'm pretty sure they don't want to have to spend their time taking care of an annoying kid.
In short, for some people, trying to make new friends with everyone is just not their thing. There is at LEAST one new person who joins the IRC every day, and trying to meet and keep track of all of them gets old. Stick around if you want to talk to more people, and stop being sensitive because it's just strangers on the Internet who don't know you.

As a side note, I know I'm rude towards people when it comes to mafia but that's how I got information out of them.

 

[Alienfish]

I can agree with Skype, it's good but when people wants you to get for stuff you don't need I feel it's a bit overrated.

 

[Princess]

The problem isn't that there are cliques. It's the people that are the problem, and I'm really confused as to why nobody is addressing it. When people are constantly acting immature and being rude then nobody is going to want to be around them. When nobody wants them around it causes them to be avoided. When people don't like that person and that person has people they talk to that does like them, it causes "cliques".

So there is no solution to it. You can all complain and whine about it but you're all the ones doing it. Instead of preaching about change actually do it. But I've been saying this for months now. This is the fourth or fifth time I've repeated almost the same exact thing.

The problem is the people. And the problem is that the people refuse to change.

My thoughts exactly.

If the mumble is leaving, it'll be sad to see it go but I'll always remember the fun times we've all had on their as a community.

 

[Keen]

Prepare for a huge post of ranting.

Theres quite a few people saying they'd miss the mumble server, and everybody making suggestions of how to put it to good use welp.. its Mario Kart Monday, there are exactly three people on mumble right now, Trent, Sockhead and Myself, one of those people being in the afk channel.

Now.. trying to join the mk monday fun, I went to the mumble channel because I figured since the big uproar about mumble not being active and everybody saying that they wanted to use it more.. I was quite surprised when I found only one other person on the server..

So.. I joined MKMonday anyways.. and low and behold.. there was one big group playing, and one small group playing.. now. That's cool and all, but I noticed the smaller group full of people who were not part of the IRC regulars or the 'clique' as several of us call them, I was cool with that, it was a first come, first serve kinda deal, right? Right.

Jubs and a couple other people who are well known in the IRC joined the smaller group.. we started the match because there was quite a few people in the group, and nobody else seemed to joining in on the fun. Now.. thats not what pissed me off, what pissed me off was when a few of the regulars decided that it wasn't cool enough to race with the non regulars of the IRC, and disconnect. Please don't tell me that you did not do this, because though I may not be talking in the IRC, I am certainly lurking in the IRC and most people who left said that they'd wait til the got in 'so and so's group'. Now, thats not a problem if you want to play with your friends, but it is a problem when you claim to be friends with everybody but don't want to play with that particular group of people.

Now, suspecting that since I was on the mumble with two other people, and I knew for a fact; because of the IRC, that a lot of people who are supposed 'regulars' on the mumble and 'want to keep it' were playing Mario Kart. So.. why weren't these people who said they wanted to put the mumble back to good use using it? Oh right, I forgot, I asked in a PM if there was a group call going on, and lo and behold, yes, indeed there was. I was even asked if I'd like to join, and no, I would not.

Why am I posting this?

Two reasons

1. You guys say you want the community to be close knit and include everybody, but you are sequestered off on skype, making those that do want to chat during the game, feel a little alienated if they don't like the non push to talk option, which was expressed in this thread, that being on skype is a little more than uncomfortable.

2. Everybody questions who the clique is? And then claim that nobody is apart of this clique? Well, take a look at your group calls, have you thought about inviting others who may be taking part in the event to that call? Didn't think so.

Gallows certainly has a point. Its the people that are the problem.

Yours truly,

The mumble regulars.

 

[Jeremy]

Prepare for a huge post of ranting.

Theres quite a few people saying they'd miss the mumble server, and everybody making suggestions of how to put it to good use welp.. its Mario Kart Monday, there are exactly three people on mumble right now, Trent, Sockhead and Myself, one of those people being in the afk channel.

Now.. trying to join the mk monday fun, I went to the mumble channel because I figured since the big uproar about mumble not being active and everybody saying that they wanted to use it more.. I was quite surprised when I found only one other person on the server..

So.. I joined MKMonday anyways.. and low and behold.. there was one big group playing, and one small group playing.. now. That's cool and all, but I noticed the smaller group full of people who were not part of the IRC regulars or the 'clique' as several of us call them, I was cool with that, it was a first come, first serve kinda deal, right? Right.

Jubs and a couple other people who are well known in the IRC joined the smaller group.. we started the match because there was quite a few people in the group, and nobody else seemed to joining in on the fun. Now.. thats not what pissed me off, what pissed me off was when a few of the regulars decided that it wasn't cool enough to race with the non regulars of the IRC, and disconnect. Please don't tell me that you did not do this, because though I may not be talking in the IRC, I am certainly lurking in the IRC and most people who left said that they'd wait til the got in 'so and so's group'. Now, thats not a problem if you want to play with your friends, but it is a problem when you claim to be friends with everybody but don't want to play with that particular group of people.

Now, suspecting that since I was on the mumble with two other people, and I knew for a fact; because of the IRC, that a lot of people who are supposed 'regulars' on the mumble and 'want to keep it' were playing Mario Kart. So.. why weren't these people who said they wanted to put the mumble back to good use using it? Oh right, I forgot, I asked in a PM if there was a group call going on, and lo and behold, yes, indeed there was. I was even asked if I'd like to join, and no, I would not.

Why am I posting this?

Two reasons

1. You guys say you want the community to be close knit and include everybody, but you are sequestered off on skype, making those that do want to chat during the game, feel a little alienated if they don't like the non push to talk option, which was expressed in this thread, that being on skype is a little more than uncomfortable.

2. Everybody questions who the clique is? And then claim that nobody is apart of this clique? Well, take a look at your group calls, have you thought about inviting others who may be taking part in the event to that call? Didn't think so.

Gallows certainly has a point. Its the people that are the problem.

Yours truly,

The mumble regulars.

Most of the people in my MK7 group weren't "regulars". Some people just want to be in the same group as their friends, which is fine.

 

[Byngo]

Prepare for a huge post of ranting.

Theres quite a few people saying they'd miss the mumble server, and everybody making suggestions of how to put it to good use welp.. its Mario Kart Monday, there are exactly three people on mumble right now, Trent, Sockhead and Myself, one of those people being in the afk channel.

Now.. trying to join the mk monday fun, I went to the mumble channel because I figured since the big uproar about mumble not being active and everybody saying that they wanted to use it more.. I was quite surprised when I found only one other person on the server..

So.. I joined MKMonday anyways.. and low and behold.. there was one big group playing, and one small group playing.. now. That's cool and all, but I noticed the smaller group full of people who were not part of the IRC regulars or the 'clique' as several of us call them, I was cool with that, it was a first come, first serve kinda deal, right? Right.

Jubs and a couple other people who are well known in the IRC joined the smaller group.. we started the match because there was quite a few people in the group, and nobody else seemed to joining in on the fun. Now.. thats not what pissed me off, what pissed me off was when a few of the regulars decided that it wasn't cool enough to race with the non regulars of the IRC, and disconnect. Please don't tell me that you did not do this, because though I may not be talking in the IRC, I am certainly lurking in the IRC and most people who left said that they'd wait til the got in 'so and so's group'. Now, thats not a problem if you want to play with your friends, but it is a problem when you claim to be friends with everybody but don't want to play with that particular group of people.

Now, suspecting that since I was on the mumble with two other people, and I knew for a fact; because of the IRC, that a lot of people who are supposed 'regulars' on the mumble and 'want to keep it' were playing Mario Kart. So.. why weren't these people who said they wanted to put the mumble back to good use using it? Oh right, I forgot, I asked in a PM if there was a group call going on, and lo and behold, yes, indeed there was. I was even asked if I'd like to join, and no, I would not.

Why am I posting this?

Two reasons

1. You guys say you want the community to be close knit and include everybody, but you are sequestered off on skype, making those that do want to chat during the game, feel a little alienated if they don't like the non push to talk option, which was expressed in this thread, that being on skype is a little more than uncomfortable.

2. Everybody questions who the clique is? And then claim that nobody is apart of this clique? Well, take a look at your group calls, have you thought about inviting others who may be taking part in the event to that call? Didn't think so.

Gallows certainly has a point. Its the people that are the problem.

Yours truly,

The mumble regulars.

When did people want to leave because they didn't like who they were racing with? I was there and I never seen that. Granted, I wasn't there for the full time people were playing.

Oh, and I will say I did not d/c just because of who I was racing with. Would I prefer to race with the people I know well on IRC? Hell yes, just like I would prefer to race with friends irl rather than strangers. But I was fine with racing with new IRC folk. I don't appreciate being lumped in to this. I'm assuming I'm included in the IRC regulars, seeing that I am.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

When did people want to leave because they didn't like who they were racing with? I was there and I never seen that. Granted, I wasn't there for the full time people were playing.

Oh, and I will say I did not d/c just because of who I was racing with. Would I prefer to race with the people I know well on IRC? Hell yes, just like I would prefer to race with friends irl rather than strangers. But I was fine with racing with new IRC folk. I don't appreciate being lumped in to this. I'm assuming I'm included in the IRC regulars, seeing that I am.

You're not likely the intended reader, especially if you're not participating any the the behaviors called out in the post.

 

[Keen]

As Tom said, I was calling out the behavior of a select few others.

Also @Jer, if you want to keep brushing off my opinions, when I'm trying to point out problems that I see as a member, thats fine but I do know there are other staff members and members alike who agree with things I've been saying.

I just think if the staff wants to promote this community event, than they should make it community wide and not exclusive to friends only, which was the feeling I've gotten from this event numerous times.

 

[Jennifer]

While I know not everyone cares about using Mumble, it seems more polite to use the public channel for a Community Event versus a private Skype Call which not only involves inviting someone to the conversation--it involves adding someone in the first place. Not to mention many people may not want to add anyone they may just be talking to for one event.

 

[Keen]

While I know not everyone cares about using Mumble, it seems more polite to use the public channel for a Community Event versus a private Skype Call which not only involves inviting someone to the conversation--it involves adding someone in the first place. Not to mention many people may not want to add anyone they may just be talking to for one event.

My point exactly.

Its just very discouraging to see a community event split up like that.

 

[CookingOkasan]

I was on skype with Olive and Rosie and a few others. We'd been in that call for like 2 hours at that point. We saw that mumble wasn't really being used and I'm 100% positive that Olive invited you and anyone else who wanted to join our skype call. :'l

I also admit that i was trying to get in with her group but that's just because she talked me into going out and getting MK7 today. I definitely played with the other groups though. I mean, I did leave a race once but that's because it was literally a 1v1. I figured if I left that we'd both get a chance to join a real group. It was my first MK7 day and I just felt more comfortable being in a group with some of the members that I've been around more.

EDIT: ZERO shots fired. I was just explaining the situation from my point of view. I don't feel like I did anything wrong at all. In fact, I had a blast and am definitely glad that I bought MK7 so that I can join in next monday or whenever people are playing.

 

[Lauren]

I wasn't playing last night nor was I in any skype call apart from one 1 on 1 for an hour chatting but I don't see how this is such a big deal if I'm honest... Reading all these rants, I just don't see, what's wrong with friends skyping, river you and tom were both involved in a few skype calls, you both up and left for no apparent reason. I'm not trying to cause trouble I'm really not, honestly I think if people want to go into a little group and chat whilst they're playing it's fine, for me skype makes games like mario kart easier as you dont need to push to talk, mumbles continuous and voice activated doesn't work as well, it cuts out. I don't know, but I was in mumble for the best part of all yesterday, not that many, I saw jen and tom throughout the day, spent an hour talking to pally in there, people mentioned us but no one joined. So, when everyone is done making their indirect, snarky posts at people, there are always reasons for something. I don't feel people wanting to branch off should be a big deal, I really don't. I also don't think people should be scolded for wanting to play with their friends, me mean jeeze, last week I was racing with cory, I think a few new people because I lost connection and joined. I'd rather play with my friends but whilst I waited I raced else where. My post is not to target anyone I just don't like all this lumping people into a certain group and labelling the bad guy, it's not nice and I won't lie I feel like most of certain rants are aimed at me and friends, it's not nice to be indirectly made to feel terrible! I do apologise if this seems nasty or if I've upset people, that was not my intention but if others are able to rant their opinions in here. I mean it's great people like river, Jason, gallows and everyone are getting it off their chest I feel it's just a huge witch hunt for people wanting to play games with their friends, yes the community is Involved, some don't like voice chatting... So? Uh I don't know I'm going back to bed, sorry again, I don't want to cause trouble, most things I say usually do.

 

[KarlaKGB]

People should not be obligated to play with everyone else.

 

[Jake]

horus removed me from skype convo pls explain

 

[Justin]

Yes, I did partake in a skype call tonight. There were no more than 4 people playing Mario Kart in this call, which existed prior to Mario Kart, hardly anything compared to the amount of players who joined the community tonight. If we did not want to play with everyone, we could easily play in our own community or worldwide matchmaking. Which is NOT what happened, I played in the TBT community the entire time I was playing.

I agreed with your previous posts, but this is blowing things out of proportion. Are friends not allowed to chat with each other if they choose to?

If the Mumble is active during Mario Kart, I'd be happy to join, but as you have admitted yourself, it's typically dead with no more than 2-3 people in a channel. Just a couple nights ago, I was in the Mumble during IRC Mafia when it was active, and if it's active during Mario Kart next week I'd be happy to join again.

A couple of friends choosing to talk on Skype does not equal an event not being open or welcoming. I saw plenty of players in the IRC having a blast while playing despite any of this, so I'm not understanding why this ruins the entire event in your mind.