New feature request; pronouns!

[Zura]

it is unfair to assume people are changing their pronouns for fun even if they do change it everyday, we don't know their situation.

In the same vein, how would you know someone isn't honest about their pronoun? I would think it'd be pretty traumatic getting a warning/infraction if you honestly feel like an attack helicopter or something else. Where do you draw the line?

 

[Alienfish]

it is unfair to assume people are changing their pronouns for fun even if they do change it everyday, we don't know their situation.

if a set list is infeasible and people end up using the section to make transphobic attack helicopter-esque jokes, make abuse of the pronoun section against the rules and subject to warnings/infractions.

1. If they do it to mock ones like popcorn/chopper/car etc. on a regular basis then it's most likely someone abusing this.. but good point.

2. Yes, good idea.

 

[seliph]

In the same vein, how would you know someone isn't honest about their pronoun? I would think it'd be pretty traumatic getting a warning/infraction if you honestly feel like an attack helicopter or something else. Where do you draw the line?

contrary to popular belief it's pretty easy to spot. to get a good sense of how neopronouns work:

https://intercultural.uncg.edu/wp-c...s-Explained-UNCG-Intercultural-Engagement.pdf

note the list of course doesn't contain all examples but it does give a good gist of what peoples' actual pronouns will look like.

alternatively that's why i suggested a set list.

 

[Alienfish]

In the same vein, how would you know someone isn't honest about their pronoun? I would think it'd be pretty traumatic getting a warning/infraction if you honestly feel like an attack helicopter or something else. Where do you draw the line?

Yeah.. I think that'd be easy to spot yes from what I've seen around sites. So yeah it'd probably be better with an as inclusive list as possible so people don't abuse it and use it to make fun of others.

 

[Zura]

A set list sounds perfectly reasonable.

Edit: side note, you could also use your title for the time being.

 

[tae]

One of other reasons is, there are people assexual or non-binary. It may make them uncomfortable when there's a section that you need to write the pronoun to address their gender.

asexual is a sexuality, not a gender. what. lmao.

also as someone who is non-binary, and i cant speak for ALL nb people, but i've literally never been in a situation or seen someone be uncomfortable with a feature that literally LETS someone correct and limit the use of incorrect pronouns towards them. maybe in the case of there not being a NB option i can see where it may be uncomfortable bc some people aren't in the binary of "male" and "female" but adding more options or even the ability to type in your own option would alleviate that discomfort.





cis people, stop trying to talk over trans and nb people in this thread when its obvious this doesn't effect you / you don't even understand the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation.

 

[Wildtown]

Is it really that big of a problemo? I honestly don't see the issue here. If someone misgenders you just correct them and move on.

Am I missing something?

i was gonna say this exact thing

 

[tae]

i was gonna say this exact thing

just bc its not a problem for you doesn't mean it doesn't effect other people negatively on a daily basis.

 

[seliph]

i was gonna say this exact thing

this has been answered, please read the thread. if you have questions about anything said feel free to ask.

 

[mogyay]

it's a v simple feature that could provide a lot of comfort to a lot of ppl and ABSOLUTELY no discomfort to anybody lol, i'm all for it

 

[dedenne]

YES please this is a great idea i always feel bad assuming other peoples pronouns

also correcting people is a pain tbh id rather not

 

[Zura]

cis people, stop trying to talk over trans and nb people in this thread when its obvious this doesn't effect you / you don't even understand the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation.

Who is doing this? Not that I disagree with the proposal but I think everyone deserves to be heard, trans or not.

 

[mogyay]

I personally think you're overthinking this but Im also a CIS, straight, white, male, etc... so It really doesn't matter to me. Adios gracias!

^^ previously you said this

because you're disagreeing with people who it does matter to, of course you can have an opinion but i think an opinion should be weighted more toward people who are going to be personally effected by this change, you're clearly not so i can see why it might be patronising

 

[Alienfish]

Who is doing this? Not that I disagree with the proposal but I think everyone deserves to be heard, trans or not.

Yes, I was wondering the same too.
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Also @ above take in mind it's not the same cultures or open-ness all over the world and therefore not everyone might not be as educated as others. Honestly mocking someone for not knowing differences for that is not the way to go, just explain or redirect them to a page that explains.

 

[mogyay]

Yes, I was wondering the same too.
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Also @ above take in mind it's not the same cultures or open-ness all over the world and therefore not everyone might not be as educated as others. Honestly mocking someone for not knowing differences for that is not the way to go, just explain or redirect them to a page that explains.

i'm not sure what culture has to do with my comment, i also don't see how it's relevant, i just think pronouns is a neat idea

edit: ok i'm not sure u were referencing my comment, my bad

 

[debinoresu]

im a little worried abt where this thread is heading in terms of arguing (though its not much rn, just speaking before stuff could get a bit rougher)

i think its mutually agreeable that the only forseeable negatives of this feature would be, to those who dont care about such a feature it isnt useful, then the hurdle of how itd be programmed/incoorporated, and finally people potentially abusing it to type ridiculous things in, which is an isolated issue and can apply to most profile customization features. that seems to be the jist of complaints i have seen.

otherwise, the positives are more comfort for users it is important to, more accessibility, encouraging a more supportive community, etcetera...

lets try to avoid fighting and conflict over the proposition cause itd suddenly make a neutral proposition into a controversial topic, which pronouns really shouldnt be

 

[Alienfish]

i'm not sure what culture has to do with my comment, i also don't see how it's relevant, i just think pronouns is a neat idea

Yeah writing lmao because someone might have confused certain terminology it was not at you but some people get annoyed if i @ them lol

Anyways I'll leave it at that. I support the original suggestions as long as handled properly. Also respect each other no matter what.

 

[Zura]

^^ previously you said this

because you're arguing with people who it does matter to, of course you can have an opinion but i think an opinion should be weighted more toward people who are going to be personally effected by this change, you're clearly not so i can see why it might be patronising

That wasn't arguing, I gave my opinion and then left it at that. I even later clarified that I didn't understand the issue and wasn't trying to debate it but rather understand the issue better. Please don't try to paint me as being insensitive

I apologize if it sounded like I was trying to "debate the issue", I was only trying to make sense of the situation because I was confused.

I'd suggest reading the whole thread btw!

 

[Jeremy]

Hello everyone. I just want to point out something that has had to be pointed out in Brewster's Cafe threads in the past. Everyone on the forum is allowed to express their opinion, as long as it isn't hateful. Someone belonging to a particular group or not doesn't mean that they aren't allowed to have a voice. Please keep this in mind when discussing topics like this. This is a community of many different types of people and no one should be excluded.

 

[tae]

i mean, i never said don't talk, i said please don't talk over those who are directly effected by this subject. no one is being excluded. it's just hurtful to have people chime in like, "oh this isn't an issue for me! this is a waste of time why bother adios!"