New feature request; pronouns!

[Zura]

It kinda does.
I was showing that I'm not ignorant on the subject, so need to overthink it.

I think they meant on the issue of gender identity. The examples you gave refer to sexual orientation which they were saying are not one and the same.

Hope this helps

 

[SheepMareep]

Nobody is saying it's not a real problem or that it doesn't matter because it "doesn't effect them". People are just confused like myself and/or offering other solutions

There have been a few people, including yourself, who claimed that it does not affect them, that it is "overly politically correct", or does not matter since the formation of this thread. Just wanted to address that. (also yes I understand some of this was resolved but there will still be more people joining the conversation and possibly adding similar comments.) The idea of just referring to someone by their username instead of just using pronouns is also p problematic since... i am offering an option to KNOW someones pronouns without asking. Assuming people will use this system as a joke or will "abuse" it somehow is also pushing towards the idea that trans and nb people are just confused and not serious about exploring their gender identity or serious about their established gender identity.

Just want everyone to remain respectful and not resort to uneducated comments that are harmful and very obviously upsetting to people. If anyone is confused they should look it up and research before joining a discussion like this one. This is less a "We should make the background pink for spring" type of topic and more of a "human rights" sort of topic where the feelings and rights of other real life human beings are affected.

 

[John Wick]

I think they meant on the issue of gender identity. The examples you gave refer to sexual orientation which they were saying are not one and the same.

Hope this helps

I know the difference.
Trust me.

I don't even see gender anymore.
I look more at the Soul of a person.

Sometimes that Soul doesn't have a specific gender.

 

[Zura]

Yes, but not a single person here has said it isn't a issue but rather they've personally haven't had the issue. If you're gonna be here asking for a feature to be implemented then you should also be informing them why they should care. Telling people you disagree with to leave and "educate themselves " in of itself is problematic and only alienates people like myself.

For example, I changed my views after Seliph kindly went ahead and explained the issue.

 

[SheepMareep]

Did not think I would be required to provide any further reasoning than I had already provided.

Including your pronouns not only allows people to know how to address you properly, but also makes the community more open to our trans and nb friends! Normalizing asking someone's pronouns and saying your own even if you are cis is important to creating an inclusive and understanding community.

I also wasn't telling anyone to leave but to look stuff up before they come in here posting stuff that could be upsetting or harmful. It doesn't alienate anyone, we all have access to google and resources. :T I even added links on the first post to HELP people who need more information since I didn't think it was necessary before because I realized a lot of people did not understand what trans/nb is or why pronouns are important.

 

[Zura]

I even added links on the first post to HELP people who need more information since I didn't think it was necessary before because I realized a lot of people did not understand what trans/nb is or why pronouns are important.

Thank you that helps!

 

[Lavamaize]

First of all just because this does not affect some people as they just use usernames does not mean their opinions are invalid or are leading to transphobic attitudes. As Jermey said we are all allowed to express our opinion as long as they are not hateful which none of them are. Just because people disagree does not mean their options are invalid as they too are members of The forum with valubale input just as much as all the others. As for Google can't someone just Google what pronoun to use if they are confused or are using a pronoun in their situation. Once again I am not against people who want the pronoun option I just don't think it is nessesary.

 

[John Wick]

First of all just because this does not affect some people as they just use usernames does not mean their opinions are invalid or are leading to homophobic attitudes. As Jermey said we are all allowed to express our opinion as long as they are not hateful which none of them are. Just because people disagree does not mean their options are invalid as they too are members of The forum with valubale input just as much as all the others. As for Google can't someone just Google what pronoun to use if they are confused or are using a pronoun in their situation. Once again I am not against people who want the pronoun option I just don't think it is nessesary.

I haven't seen anyone be hateful, or homophobic.

There is no need for it.

I support the pronoun cause.

 

[Zura]

I haven't seen anyone be hateful, or homophobic.

I think the word you're looking for is transphobic and agreed.

 

[John Wick]

I think the word you're looking for is transphobic and agreed.

I was replying to the 'homophobic' term used by who I quoted.

 

[SheepMareep]

I never said anyone WAS being transphobic, just that it was getting pretty close to that line/seemed to be heading that way and I did not want anyone to cross that. The only thing I said was that certain aspects of the conversation were problematic. :T

Please don't put words into my mouth or get defensive. All I did was mention I updated the OP due to problematic comments made and pushed for people to please look into the topic before POSSIBLY saying something harmful by mistake due to lack of information on the topic. which has been done multiple times.

Didn't call anyone out saying they were transphobic, claim you could not reply without being an expert in the matter, or say you could not ask questions. I opened my PMs to anyone with questions to avoid leading to problematic discussions in the thread that could upset people and asked if anyone else would be willing to do the same. which was pretty clear if anyone fully read my response.

If anyone took that as me saying they were transphobic then.... idk what to tell you because never once did I say that to anyone and even if i WAS your immediate response should not be "no im not!" but "what did I say that could come across as this?" :T

 

[seliph]

it is not unreasonable to ask people to educate themselves before responding to a topic that may require certain knowledge. the reason i've taken on the task of an informer here is not because i want to sit here repeating the same things i've been telling people for the past 10 years, it's because i want this feature to be seriously considered and i want all concerns surrounding it to be addressed and i know i'm someone who's both knowledgeable and well experienced on the topic.

it is a very mentally and emotionally exhausting job and it does take a huge load off of our shoulders when people have done their own research before asking questions.

But, yeah. Like Lava has said as well, it's a gaming community. I think it actually doesn't matter much if they're male or female or other when you interact with them. What matters more is personality imo.

you are correct but it does matter that people are addressed properly during trades and whatnot. plus while it is a gaming community there are still several off-topic boards where peoples' pronouns and identities do matter.

your immediate response should not be "no im not!" but "what did I say that could come across as this?" :T

this part is so important it should be pinned to everyones' walls

 

[John Wick]

I think it's great to educate people.
I was merely saying I do understand.

My wife is a beautiful woman, wears makeup, has gorgeous long hair, is not attracted to other women, but she is fluid.

I think that's why we've never had a fight.

She just thinks like a guy, and sometimes she identifies as one. It has nothing to do with sexuality.

It's why I said that I see past gender to the Soul of a person.

My wife is my person, so I truly do understand.

 

[duckykate]

cool idea but dont put them in the side bar cos theres already so much crap there

 

[Zura]

cool idea but dont put them in the side bar cos theres already so much crap there

Where would you have them placed?

 

[Darkesque_]

I wouldn't mind this!

Just to get this out there I don't care what pronoun you use for me (yes, even it), because I am literally at the point in life where I am questioning EVERYTHING! Soooooooo, I don't know what gender I am, and I don't know what I like. So any pronoun is fine!

 

[seliph]

cool idea but dont put them in the side bar cos theres already so much crap there

i don't think a single optional additional line would make much difference. plus it's the only place that makes sense given the problem is people being addressed wrong on the actual forums.

 

[SheepMareep]

I think it's great to educate people.
I was merely saying I do understand.

My wife is a beautiful woman, wears makeup, has gorgeous long hair, is not attracted to other women, but she is fluid.

I think that's why we've never had a fight.

She just thinks like a guy, and sometimes she identifies as one. It has nothing to do with sexuality.

It's why I said that I see past gender to the Soul of a person.

My wife is my person, so I truly do understand.

off topic but I swear your love for your wife is so precious it makes me smile every time fjsndfkjsnfkdjn

 

[John Wick]

off topic but I swear your love for your wife is so precious it makes me smile every time fjsndfkjsnfkdjn

^_^

She said to tell you 'IKR'!

 

[Flyffel]

I wouldn't mind this!

Just to get this out there I don't care what pronoun you use for me (yes, even it), because I am literally at the point in life where I am questioning EVERYTHING! Soooooooo, I don't know what gender I am, and I don't know what I like. So any pronoun is fine!

It's so cute. c: