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[Primarina]

Zendel, sorry to hear you're not feeling well! Get better soon!

As far as the game goes, while we haven't heard a lot from some people yet, myself included, so far I am most suspicious of f11 for obvious reasons, but then again I wonder if scum would actually dare to be so obviously bizarre, so who knows.

 

[Nightmares]

So, looking back through the thread, f11 is the most confusing to me

I can't tell if she's acting so laid back because she's actually town, or if she's mafia... haaaAaaaA
I feel her answers are like...too obviously uncaring that a mafia player wouldn't risk it (people are sus of her atm) ;;
I don't think I've played with her before, so I'm unsure how she normally acts as town or mafia

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Also Zendel is making me sus with all the "I'm a bad player" "I'm having a bad day" kinda thing
It seems unlike him, and I feel like writing paragraphed posts about it is irrelevant and distracting
Not really sure of his motive

(I know that in my first few games I kept giving everyone "updates" about what was going on as I was being sussed for inactivity)

 

[Seroja]

Guys I'm still at work, hopefully I can get a list ready tonight. So far there are too many quiet players which I think could either be mafia laying low or just inactive towns. I am noting how a lot of people are suspicious of Zendel just for his supposed ATE and change of tone, but it'd be great if we can have more substantial evidence than that.

f11 as usual is a wild card. I can never get a good read on her in my games with her, but in the games that she was town she did make an effort in finding scum. I'm not really sure what she's doing in this game so far. I will have to look at her past games as mafia to refresh my memory.

idrc, also it's really funny seeing the lack of effort in this game, tensu didn't even push on me more to get a proper answer lol.like imo, what's the point of asking a question if you don't even care about the answer. Laaaaaame

Yeah Tensu was super pushy and quick to point fingers in Themeless Mafia as town, right now he's very 'understanding' or unwilling to pursue someone which I found interesting (towards Zendel and f11 so far).

This is noteworthy. Tensu, what do you have to say about this?

Oh I see! Yes I do that often because I can be easy to influence, which is a flaw however I would feel bad if I put a vote on someone and it turned out they were town. I don't over think things because I doubt myself too which is another flaw in my gameplay. Thanks for pointing these things out, its funny because I asked for help from people on the general thread, I didn't get any replies (rude, lol) and I get a lot of advice during the game itself, hurray!

Is wishy washy a mafia term? If so I'll keep it noted then.

Also thank you very much, for the get better wishes.

Like mog said, your play style was transparent so it was somewhat easy to guess your alignment. However sometimes they can be confusing and can make people think that you are mafia for changing your mind so quickly. I'm not sure if wishy washy is a mafia term, but it's can be seen as a scum tell (not always).

If you are town, and you really think someone is scummy, don't be so quick to back off your suspicions. Please pursue it further until all doubts are eliminated.

For the inactives, if you are town, please give your thoughts on what had happened so far. At least write down who you think are most likely town/scum etc. Thanks!

 

[Heyden]

Skimmed through a couple of old games but can't really find anything lol. Still want an answer from f11 on why she's suspicious of me besides my posts reminiscently reminding her of when I was scum in Luigi's Mansion. If they really are town I hope they can take this more seriously
also last time f11 was scum she made the rqs like in this game xoxo jk invalid but still

 

[Tensu]

Good morning everyone!

This is noteworthy. Tensu, what do you have to say about this?

I explained this in the RQS. In the Themeless Mafia game I played very aggressively and it really got others to be suspicious of me. Also with f11 there's not really much I can do when given a blatant "nope " to a push. I don't feel as it was a lame question, it's a really appropriate and obvious question given your vague reasoning for voting for Heyden, but for your sake and everyone else's, I strongly suggest you reconsider and make a long pretty post validating your vote. I can't force her to answer the question, but I am definitely keeping her refusal in mind. I'm honestly baffled by why anybody, (mafia or town) would choose to play so carelessly.

As for Zendel, I'm still a bit unsure about his sudden change in mood and possible ATE. It's easy to say you're having a bad day as an excuse to gain attention or make people back off. I'm sorry if you really did have a bad day, but I haven't been getting those obvious, carefree town vibes from you like in past games and I have no proof that this is just an excuse. I don't know what you're trying to do, perhaps you're a mafia who doesn't really know what he's doing and trying a different play style, or a townie who's genuinely having a bad day. I will keep an eye out for Zendel's future posts to help inform my decision.

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@f11 honestly I'd rather deal with a lack of effort than people who don't take the game seriously

 

[EpicGamer12]

Dang, Zendel, you sound so fake in your last 2 posts. It seems like you are just trying to get on the good side of town from how you posted to be honest. We really need some inactives to get on here. If we can't decide on a lynch by deadline it might be a good idea to lynch an afk to minimize losses for town. If we mislynch town and the afk is also town and gets modkilled, we could be screwed.

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I'm throwing out votes to get more people to actually do things.

 

[Jacob]

For the inactives, if you are town, please give your thoughts on what had happened so far. At least write down who you think are most likely town/scum etc. Thanks!

My thoughts:
People are sussing mostly Heyden, f11, and Zendel so I won't doubt any of those three will be lynched today.
I don't really understand the Heyden cases but maybe I need to go back and reread them
People are trying to associate carelessness=scummy which I also don't fully understand
Out of the 3 I would prefer a Zendel lynch and that was explained in my last post, it isn't a lot but its enough for just only day 1 I think.

I also want to address this post:

Guys I'm still at work, hopefully I can get a list ready tonight. So far there are too many quiet players which I think could either be mafia laying low or just inactive towns. I am noting how a lot of people are suspicious of Zendel just for his supposed ATE and change of tone, but it'd be great if we can have more substantial evidence than that.

f11 as usual is a wild card. I can never get a good read on her in my games with her, but in the games that she was town she did make an effort in finding scum. I'm not really sure what she's doing in this game so far. I will have to look at her past games as mafia to refresh my memory.

This is noteworthy. Tensu, what do you have to say about this?

Like mog said, your play style was transparent so it was somewhat easy to guess your alignment. However sometimes they can be confusing and can make people think that you are mafia for changing your mind so quickly. I'm not sure if wishy washy is a mafia term, but it's can be seen as a scum tell (not always).

If you are town, and you really think someone is scummy, don't be so quick to back off your suspicions. Please pursue it further until all doubts are eliminated.

"I am noting how a lot of people are suspicious of Zendel just for his supposed ATE and change of tone, but it'd be great if we can have more substantial evidence than that."

- I think I was the one who brought ATE up so I guess this is kinda directed at me. All I have to say is ATE and change of tone are actual scum tells. It's day 1 so I am not really sure what more substantial evidence you actually think we can get today

"f11 as usual is a wild card. I can never get a good read on her in my games with her, but in the games that she was town she did make an effort in finding scum. I'm not really sure what she's doing in this game so far. I will have to look at her past games as mafia to refresh my memory. "

- I guess you are trying to go down the META road bringing up past experiences as town. That's fine I guess but your argument really doesn't hold anything useful unless a) you actually do go back and pick out the similarities between other games and explain them or b) you start comparing this game to games when f11 was scum, not when she was town.
*I am not trying to defend f11, she's null for me.

Wishy Washy is a scum tell, I would honestly like to see a case on that if there is one

 

[mogyay]

i'm definitely not feeling corrie as scum, right now i'd probably be ok voting zendal but let's be honest the majority of scum (or at least one or two of them) are most likely trying to keep a low profile right now, i know that's hypocrtical of me to say. just wanted to pop in, i'll be back later with some more thoughts. i'm wanting to look at f11 more, i often scum read them because they have a pretty haphazard playstyle but i can't decide on this game if it feels genuine or not

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My thoughts:
People are sussing mostly Heyden, f11, and Zendel so I won't doubt any of those three will be lynched today.
I don't really understand the Heyden cases but maybe I need to go back and reread them
People are trying to associate carelessness=scummy which I also don't fully understand
Out of the 3 I would prefer a Zendel lynch and that was explained in my last post, it isn't a lot but its enough for just only day 1 I think.

I also want to address this post:


"I am noting how a lot of people are suspicious of Zendel just for his supposed ATE and change of tone, but it'd be great if we can have more substantial evidence than that."

- I think I was the one who brought ATE up so I guess this is kinda directed at me. All I have to say is ATE and change of tone are actual scum tells. It's day 1 so I am not really sure what more substantial evidence you actually think we can get today

"f11 as usual is a wild card. I can never get a good read on her in my games with her, but in the games that she was town she did make an effort in finding scum. I'm not really sure what she's doing in this game so far. I will have to look at her past games as mafia to refresh my memory. "

- I guess you are trying to go down the META road bringing up past experiences as town. That's fine I guess but your argument really doesn't hold anything useful unless a) you actually do go back and pick out the similarities between other games and explain them or b) you start comparing this game to games when f11 was scum, not when she was town.
*I am not trying to defend f11, she's null for me.

Wishy Washy is a scum tell, I would honestly like to see a case on that if there is one

zendal was very 'wishy washy' in dolby's and bowie's games but he was town so i'm more likely to think he's scum if he is continually pushing someone tbh

 

[EpicGamer12]

i'm definitely not feeling corrie as scum, right now i'd probably be ok voting zendal but let's be honest the majority of scum (or at least one or two of them) are most likely trying to keep a low profile right now, i know that's hypocrtical of me to say. just wanted to pop in, i'll be back later with some more thoughts. i'm wanting to look at f11 more, i often scum read them because they have a pretty haphazard playstyle but i can't decide on this game if it feels genuine or not

I am personally not scum reading f11, however you should probably not let my opinion of f11 affect yours in case I'm wrong. After reading Jacob's post, I'm now more likely to vote Zendel. However I'm holding my vote on Corrie until she posts in the thread again and tells us who she is suspicious of other than a stupid retaliation onto me.

 

[Tensu]

Corrie, I hope you don't take this as an attack, but is Trundle the only person you are sus of? I'm genuinely curious

I'm gonna repeat this question that I asked several pages ago and never got a response.

Also, some player reads would be very helpful right now imo. I'm on mobile right now so I'll post mine later.

 

[f11]

what do you care about within this game so far?

discussion, people asking useful questions that they care about. Like I'm just saying tensu didn't even press me to find the answer, so it's not gonna be something I'm paying attention to rn.

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Skimmed through a couple of old games but can't really find anything lol. Still want an answer from f11 on why she's suspicious of me besides my posts reminiscently reminding her of when I was scum in Luigi's Mansion. If they really are town I hope they can take this more seriously
also last time f11 was scum she made the rqs like in this game xoxo jk invalid but still

what game was that I forgot lmao. You were more of a random lynch/reaction. I was gonna see where that wagon swung and it was obviously towards me a bit lol.

 

[Tensu]

discussion, people asking useful questions that they care about. Like I'm just saying tensu didn't even press me to find the answer, so it's not gonna be something I'm paying attention to rn.

What is else there that I could've said about your refusal? I can't exactly say "pretty please with a cherry on top". I've already explained why you should justify your vote and pressed you. I've done everything on my part to attemp to get you to answer this relevant question so there's really no excuse.

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I still would like to see an answer from you

 

[f11]

What is else there that I could've said about your refusal? I can't exactly say "pretty please with a cherry on top". I've already explained why you should justify your vote and pressed you. I've done everything on my part to attemp to get you to answer this relevant question so there's really no excuse.

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I still would like to see an answer from you

the proper response: you not answering this question about a very random vote is indicative of you alignment, which may be mafia with your refusal. The answer: it was a completely random vote. If Hayden was mafia I wanted to see where other people would put there suspicions and votes.

 

[Tensu]

the proper response: you not answering this question about a very random vote is indicative of you alignment, which may be mafia with your refusal. The answer: it was a completely random vote. If Hayden was mafia I wanted to see where other people would put there suspicions and votes.

There wasn't really one proper response in this case. I would've been content with that answer as exact same answer to my question. I didn't believe that your vote on Heyden directly indicated you as mafia. But your refusal still only gives you a very slight scum lean or even null. I would think that if you were mafia you'd be less careless and more aggressive.

May I ask why you unvoted heyden? Is I because you got the response you wanted?

 

[f11]

There wasn't really one proper response in this case. I would've been content with that answer as exact same answer to my question. I didn't believe that your vote on Heyden directly indicated you as mafia. But your refusal still only gives you a very slight scum lean or even null. I would think that if you were mafia you'd be less careless and more aggressive.

May I ask why you unvoted heyden? Is I because you got the response you wanted?

sorry idk how to be aggressive. I unvotrd because it's obvious that all the players are being wishywashy and not making firm decisions, meaning that there may not be a counter lynch at this point.

 

[Seroja]

We really need some inactives to get on here. If we can't decide on a lynch by deadline it might be a good idea to lynch an afk to minimize losses for town. If we mislynch town and the afk is also town and gets modkilled, we could be screwed.

I am actually ok with this.

also thanks jacob for your input. now then,

"I am noting how a lot of people are suspicious of Zendel just for his supposed ATE and change of tone, but it'd be great if we can have more substantial evidence than that."

- I think I was the one who brought ATE up so I guess this is kinda directed at me. All I have to say is ATE and change of tone are actual scum tells. It's day 1 so I am not really sure what more substantial evidence you actually think we can get today

It wasn't directed at you actually, but at the people who came in and picked up on what you said without providing reads or thoughts on other players. I liked your case on Zendel, but I would like new input by everyone else who's also sussing him. Right now I feel like they're just parroting you.

I agree that change of tone can be indicative of scum but right now I'm not entirely convinced.

"f11 as usual is a wild card. I can never get a good read on her in my games with her, but in the games that she was town she did make an effort in finding scum. I'm not really sure what she's doing in this game so far. I will have to look at her past games as mafia to refresh my memory. "

- I guess you are trying to go down the META road bringing up past experiences as town. That's fine I guess but your argument really doesn't hold anything useful unless a) you actually do go back and pick out the similarities between other games and explain them or b) you start comparing this game to games when f11 was scum, not when she was town.
*I am not trying to defend f11, she's null for me.

Not at all. Actually f11 was either null or leaning town for me because her carefree-ness can be because she has nothing to hide. I just wanted to look at her behaviour as mafia to see if she acts carefree even as scum. Wouldn't want to make the mistake of just brushing it off as carefree town behaviour, amirite.

Wishy Washy is a scum tell, I would honestly like to see a case on that if there is one

I'm a bit lost here. Do you mean to say wishy-washy isn't a scum tell? I am genuinely asking because I've always thought that it is. (Because I was wishy washy as hell when I was scum)

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Well anyway, I'm getting good reads from Jacob with this post. I like that he took the time to come forward and explain his reads further even if it wasn't really directed at him, and for questioning me.

 

[moonford]

God I have so much to reply to, I just got home.

I'll respond to everyone soon. Sorry for not being here for a few hours.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Panda do you have any reads? You haven't really added much to the conversation so far this game and I think your input could be valuable

 

[moonford]

So, looking back through the thread, f11 is the most confusing to me

I can't tell if she's acting so laid back because she's actually town, or if she's mafia... haaaAaaaA
I feel her answers are like...too obviously uncaring that a mafia player wouldn't risk it (people are sus of her atm) ;;
I don't think I've played with her before, so I'm unsure how she normally acts as town or mafia

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Also Zendel is making me sus with all the "I'm a bad player" "I'm having a bad day" kinda thing
It seems unlike him, and I feel like writing paragraphed posts about it is irrelevant and distracting
Not really sure of his motive

(I know that in my first few games I kept giving everyone "updates" about what was going on as I was being sussed for inactivity)

Interesting how I've never said I'm a bad player, I sad I need to improve and get better.

I also wrote those long 'irrelevant' and 'distracting' because I felt as though I needed to explain why I was posting differently. My health takes a toll on how I feel and how I speak, so it definitely was necessary for me to share that.

Dang, Zendel, you sound so fake in your last 2 posts. It seems like you are just trying to get on the good side of town from how you posted to be honest. We really need some inactives to get on here. If we can't decide on a lynch by deadline it might be a good idea to lynch an afk to minimize losses for town. If we mislynch town and the afk is also town and gets modkilled, we could be screwed.

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I'm throwing out votes to get more people to actually do things.

I sound fake? Okay.

Okay, I'm just going to claim now. You guys are heading in the wrong direction and it's annoying how many people are judging me because:

- I was sick, which made me feel terrible and affected how I played
- I wasn't having a great day.
- I wanted to be a serious and useful player unlike my previous games and I'm changing my attitude to suit that, however I wasn't able to do it in the write way because like I said I wasn't feeling great.

To the people who were at the very least understanding:

I understand that people were suspicious of me, I would be too honestly. The change in attitude and gameplay would be really worrying and would make me inclined to scum read someone. But I'm not, I was pessimistic in previous games and I should have tried to do something about it rather than moan, I changed things up, people scum read me. I'm never going to change play style again given people's reaction to it in this game, it doesn't sit well at all and it's really discouraging for me.




Now I think I'm going to vote for f11 given her uncooperative behaviour, I don't have anyone else who stands out right now and I'm taking Seroja's advice now. I'm keeping my vote until something mind dazzling and amazing happens. Rawr, I'm still not 100% sure though but it's the best I've got! :/

Whomever is mafia must be loving this, the people that are pushing me right now should be monitored thoroughly throughout this game. It's also cute how many people have jumped on the "Omg, Zendel is differently this time" train, you little cutie wooties, lmao. It's the perfect opportunity to get someone out, I think at least one or two mafia people are in the midst, so I think I will be paying attention to them.

Now, with all of that said I am, I'm Vivian the townie.

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Also, apologises for any errors in that post. I'm a silly goose, honestly.

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You would think a 5 year old wrote that post, "write" instead of "right", geez Louise!!!! Haha!

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"So I think I will be paying attention to them all"

I forgot to add "all" to the sentence.

I'm not particularly worried about Mog, PandaDarling and Seroja right now, they seem the most genuine at the moment.

 

[Seroja]

Oh lord Zendel, you're always so quick to claim omg. Only claim when you are set to be lynched! Otherwise just keep defending yourself. If you're town you have nothing to hide. Anyway, claiming so early will only make it easier for mafia to narrow down power roles. Please keep this in mind in future games.