Mafia Papers Please Mafia: Game Over, Town Wins!

[PandaDarling]

i'll let others discuss it for me if they see it.

what are you even talking about Ness how does Jacob's post coming before yours make you look bad ?

 

[EnderWiggin]

what are you even talking about Ness how does Jacob's post coming before yours make you look bad ?

I think Ness was talking about it making Jacob look bad.

Tbh I want to see what Ness is talking about. That thing from him in response to Jacob was lazy af.

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How is wanting to get on people's good side a town-motivated move?

I have a response for this but I want to see what Jacob's reasoning is.

 

[ZetaFunction]

What should we call you?(nicknames) Lucanosa/Luca
What are your preferred pronouns? He/him
What is your time zone? Standard Central

What is your name? why do u need to know my name
stalker smh
What is your quest? To understand why Trojan even plays when he contributes very little at all and is literally just a wall that's in the way of town most games
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? if I wanted to do more physics homework I would've signed up for an online class

How busy are you currently/this week? Pretty busy, mainly because there's a lot of family issues and disagreements and there's some drama they're involved in that involves a stupid-a** b**** not giving up a bloody 4 digit pin to hand over a website so the club my parents are in are all siding w/ them and it's just ****ing stupid

at the beginning of the game my plan was to not vote you because you seemed pretty town like to me, I assumed the reason you were quiet was because people were picking on you and you wanted to get on everyone's good side again
but now you say that ur just not really motivated to play so even if you were how could you be beneficial to town?
do you think you will be motivated to play sometime soon?

something seems off with this response....

Also, in response to a policy lynch, it's stupid but also helpful. if they flip town, we're down, but if they're scum, then great. but does it really matter, if in the end they're just going to make us lose no matter their alignment? If you're sailing a ship and there's something that's weighing it down and making it sink, you don't keep it for the sake of possibly needing it; you toss it and continue sailing because otherwise the ship will sink (bad analogy, but hopefully you get the point)

 

[Jacob]

How is wanting to get on people's good side a town-motivated move?

What I was trying to get at is, Tom was saying that we should lynch him because he is annoying and he doesn't want to deal with that.
I initially thought Trojan wanted to back off a little bit so he wouldn't come off as annoying this game and he could get on people's good side so they would not mislynch.

But now that Trojan said that he was just unmotivated to play/**** post, my read on him becomes invalid.
He could come back motivated, start **** posting again, and get annoying like Tom says.
I don't like to go against my gut usually (gut tells me he's town) because that's how I personally play mafia, but if a policy lynch is in effect, Trojan could be a good guess

 

[EpicGamer12]

something seems off with this response....

Also, in response to a policy lynch, it's stupid but also helpful. if they flip town, we're down, but if they're scum, then great. but does it really matter, if in the end they're just going to make us lose no matter their alignment? If you're sailing a ship and there's something that's weighing it down and making it sink, you don't keep it for the sake of possibly needing it; you toss it and continue sailing because otherwise the ship will sink (bad analogy, but hopefully you get the point)

you literally quoted 4 different posts
which one were you referring to?

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also you said I said that second quote but it was not me

holy crap dude learn how to quote

 

[ZetaFunction]

you literally quoted 4 different posts
which one were you referring to?

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also you said I said that second quote but it was not me

holy crap dude learn how to quote

the first three were just responses to questions, I was referring to the fourth one from Jacob as the one that seems off

 

[Jacob]

the first three were just responses to questions, I was referring to the fourth one from Jacob as the one that seems off

May I ask, what seemed off about it?

 

[Arstotzkan]

I think I just got the answer you were thinking Ender, PMing you

 

[Minties]

@Minties

1) Holy **** you flipped your lid. I think we'd all appreciate you toning down the intimidation factor in general - it makes talking to you kinda scary (and no, I'm not a child so dont go into next post acting like you're coddling a toddler because thats just flat out rude).
2) Hm you put Ender on a pedestal real fast. Noted.
3) Votes are pretty easily retractable though - I don't think he's 100% writing off Trojan as scum and moving on. If he was doing that I'd find it a lot more suspicious than I do rn.
4) There's a lot more people than just Jacob that you could have brought up as being guilty of the same thing, if we want to discuss that. At the time, why not zoolka? Or panda? Or anyone not really giving an opinion? I can see your point though.
5) Because you have Sataric as the cause and all the names you mentioned as the effect, which implies they only thought of it after Sataric brings up the point. I know I brought up disliking policy before Sataric made his reads post, yet the post implies I only attacked Tom as a result of that. I need to look at the others to make sure, but its still :/

Also that last insult was actually really creative. Props.

I'll play how I want and that's my playstyle, always has been. I'm not usually as mad as that, but I've had little to no sleep while having to go to uni today and work, so my patience for stupid posts was effectively zero. I didn't put Ender on a pedestal considering I didn't clear him in any way, shape or form. I pointed out that he seemingly agreed with my on the Jacob suspicion because everyone else seemed to have glossed over it and you said it was out of context to have a scum read on Jacob who only came in, said Tom was sus and left. You're looking for a way to accuse me of being red with any little thing that I do and discount my reads on people, noted.

Votes are retractable, but they're damning. Every vote means something and for Ness to chuck it down that fast after questioning Trojan doesn't sit well with me and I'm not the only one. I did say to not write zoolka off as town, even criticised Sataric for doing so. You're the one instantly clearing players like zoolka for asking about mafia things, which is incredibly dangerous imo. It's just once again another example of you cherry picking/ignoring pieces of my posts to paint me in a scum light. You want to try to get me lynched for your scum buddies? Gonna tell you that it's going to be a hard fight for you. I'm not Trundle, I will fight back.

You've already got 52 posts on D1, my head hurts having to go through them to try and find information.

btw you're full of it claiming that you didn't just follow Ayaya and Sataric in being vocally against policy lynches in an effort to appear pro-town.

Post #138:

This is why Wisdom of the Crowd is important. What information would be possibly obtain by policy lynching someone?

Post #141:

Oh yes, I fondly remember Cory. That little bugger. Hah.

Day 1 is definitely a stab in the dark, but less so in a PM game than otherwise. You can get much better and much more personal reads on people depending on how the act towards you behind the scenes and compare it to their behavior within the thread itself. But still, all you have to work with in the end is your instincts, analyzing the meta, and making the best possible "guesstimations" you can.

That said, I strongly believe that encouraging discussion between the players involved in the game as much as possible on day 1 can be very helpful to Town during later phases of the game, and a "Let's just all agree to remove Trojan" approach eliminates that aspect as everyone would then be inclined to bandwagon and you couldn't tell the Trojan-haters apart from the scummies. I feel that a policy lynch should not be the main topic of conversation with something like 40 hours left in the day. Around half the people playing has not even checked in yet.

Post #146:

Agreeing with Sataric here. The discussion on who should we policy lynch would make sense with only a few hours left to vote and we're stumped?but not when the game just started a few hours ago. Unless Tom was looking for reactions?

I'm guessing the silent players are exchanging PMs/talking in QTs with each other instead. I won't approach someone first unless they're trustworthy (so not Tom) so you won't get any PM from me this early, but if you want to ask me something, feel free to do so.

Your first post regarding policy lynches at all #153:

@Dolby SMH You no glorious Arstotzkan citizen. I wait for execution happily.

Getting on comp to make better post, but @zoolka Can you be more specific? What behaviors are you finding "allies" worthy, suspicious, and odd, respectively?

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ebwop. Feel like the bolding name thing is actually really smart so gonna start doing that.

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So you're saying Rune is a possible lynch because you can't read them? As a side note, I believe policy lynching is a bunch of bogus until we have no other options.

I don't see why anyone would turn down a quicktopic. Of course trust is an issue, but even if you agree to not share information, being able to get reads on someone in a one-on-one conversation? That sounds like that's only beneficial to me. So I'm not sure if I like Ayaya denying the QT, but I DID like Ayaya and Sataric pointing out the flaws of agreeing on a policy lynch.

Post #166:

kek
That wasnt really what I was trying to say though. You kinda were like "QT?" in theead and she was like "nah" and if her excuse was worrying about a silver tounge then that worries me b/c that shows a unwillingness to look at new perspectives.

And what would we do D2 if we policy? Im assuming this would mean we have no real D1 leads and the lynch wouldn't tell us anything b/c its policy. We'd just be pushing D1 back and be in a similar situation that we're rn, which hell lets policy lynch again damn those inactives untill mafia snipes us off one by one

Yeah if you can't tell I've had bad experiences with policy.

Tbh after going through your posts with your blatant lies and trying to discredit anything I say, I'd be leaning towards you for scum.

 

[N e s s]

at the beginning of the game my plan was to not vote you because you seemed pretty town like to me, I assumed the reason you were quiet was because people were picking on you and you wanted to get on everyone's good side again
but now you say that ur just not really motivated to play so even if you were how could you be beneficial to town?
do you think you will be motivated to play sometime soon?

Jacob never mentions ever thinking of Trojan as town, and the only post he even mentions having any scum read is in post 160 where he mentions Tom acting a little strange. This looks shady, this is what I mean by this not looking right.

 

[Arstotzkan]

"Blatent lies" Lol OMGUS much?

Replying after lunch

 

[Minties]

"Blatent lies" Lol OMGUS much?

Replying after lunch

Nah not really considering your entire basis for being angry at me and accusing me was the fact that I listed you in the list of people that followed Sataric because you claimed you "were against the policy lynch even before him"... which was a lie Sorry sweet cheeks, post numbers don't lie even though you do.

It's 3am, going to bed now, hopefully my alarm wakes me up in time.

 

[Arstotzkan]

Just because people post an idea first doesn't mean I can think of the idea independently. Keep in mind that that was my 1st post - its not like you gave proof that I wasn't thinking it when I saw Tom's post. I can and will link a thread on my old mafia forum about my experience with policy lynching and why I hate it with a passion.

And if anything, I'd call you angry, not me. Seems like you're losing your mind tbh. Get some sleep, wale up, and hopefully you'll have a cooler mind so we can actually be productive.

 

[Arstotzkan]

I freaking tried to find the mafia Im thinking about for 30 minutes but I cant ****ing find it agggh

 

[Heyden]

just to let you all now, Its 5am for me rn but I'm leaving at 6am bc I have an early class for legal studies bc my teacher is a douche. I get home at like 4pm so I have to decide on my lynch in the next hour or so, if I can't find a vote I'll just do no lynch. soz for any inconvenience I cause.
oh and the whole thing about zoolka, i was just tired and overreacting. the last PM game I played in I had a strategy which I tried to use in this game too, but obv didnt work bc my role differed. anyway..

 

[N e s s]

@Ness
So why didn't you mention the reasons for voting Trojan? Forgive me but your "reaction" to Minties feels more like "I've been questioned and I have to find a reason for it". If you legitimately had those reactions, why didn't you mention it in thread? Especially since reasoning on lynching someone is always appreciated???

I already stated why I wanted to lynch Trojan in my defense against Minties.

tbh, it was a sh!t lynch before but Trojan is coming off to me as twitchy in post 198 made me change my mind about him. Him saying this is what led me to his vote, and he went offline without explaining a thing. The reasoning I had to calling him a sh!tlynch is because Tom had went all out on him without letting him come in to reply to anything, but then he went off in a really, really short notice by just saying he thought that Tom for wanting to lynch him, and then you Minties for literally no logical reasoning. I also think that him suggesting Kit and Runeraider in post 123 were mostly sh!tlynch candidates to say without them even doing anything, but that doesn't constitute for Trojan anymore since he's here and posting.

Him doing this looks scummy in my eyes, and yes he has plenty of time to write up some justification for this.

 

[Arstotzkan]

@Ness I think he means when you were placing the vote itself

 

[Sataric]

OKAY SO I REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THIS

Sataric, I stated pretty clearly that I thought Tom was town. Why did you not make any comment about that?

Tom might be town - I have no idea - But SarasaKat clearly disagreed with Tom on several occasions even before you joined the thread, and then proceeded to say she found him suspect in that QT that Ness set up and later openly shared in post number 236. (How do I link to a post, again?)

In any case, in that QT SarasaKat said the following: "Idk if I like Minties tbh. That was not taking a comment too seriously, that was looking at it and giving a reply.

And I'm not sure if I like Tom, but I'm adding on a lot of pressure to see if I can get a reaction out of him. I see his suggestion for policy lynching as null, but that one bit I highlighted concerns me so I wanna see how he reacts."

So there she claimed, in a semi-private setting, that she did not necessarily trust or town-read Tom and that she'd pressure him. Then later in the thread, when confirming her stances on people, she said she town-read him and scum-read Minties. Now, sometimes people do change their opinions of course but it just stood out to me. Hence why I questioned it. Why was he suddenly town-leaning in her eyes?

 

[EnderWiggin]

@Ness I think he means when you were placing the vote itself

Yeah. This.

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@Sataric

Ah. No that makes a ton of sense. Sorry I didn't pay much attention to the QT initially, so when I saw you question her about the Tom townread I was like "Wait up, why did he question her for literally the same thing I said."

But no, that makes a lot more sense than I thought it did.

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something seems off with this response....

Also, in response to a policy lynch, it's stupid but also helpful. if they flip town, we're down, but if they're scum, then great. but does it really matter, if in the end they're just going to make us lose no matter their alignment? If you're sailing a ship and there's something that's weighing it down and making it sink, you don't keep it for the sake of possibly needing it; you toss it and continue sailing because otherwise the ship will sink (bad analogy, but hopefully you get the point)

Except Trojan isn't going to "just make you lose". He's not the best player, and he trolls a lot, but there have been a few games where he's played a semi-important role for his side.

Tbh I get the feeling you're kinda piggybacking off the Sarasa questioning of Jacob's post. Any other reads to share?

 

[EpicGamer12]

Try to make sure you refer to a QT chat when you are talking about it or everyone reading your post will probably get confused.