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Mafia Papers Please Mafia: Game Over, Town Wins!

Ender I don't know if i'm explaning this correctly, but i'll do my best.

My original reasoning: When I first said the reasoning for voting Trojan was he was lacking in explanation and in general seemed a bit figity from it all, so I decided to do it as a pressure vote as well as him being twitchy. He still is lacking a detailed case when both Tom and Minties have been doing things the whole game. And also, take a look at this:

Cause they arent playing like they want to help town. If anything they want to hurt town

When he first mentions it, he says that Tom and Minties are playing like they want to hurt town. Fast forward...

Basically Tom and Minties arent doing anything productive and are pinning blame from previous games on me.

Firstly - Policy lynches are fking stupid, its basically taking a stab in the dark or a free kill for the mafia

This is a really weird post and either I dont understand what tom is thinking or he is mafia. So you want to lynch Runeraider cause you cant read them/ dont understand how they play and you want to lynch me and Kit for being annoying? HOW IS THIS PRODUCTIVE, HOW IS THIS TOWN PLAY?

He has a point on this, but he mentions them not playing productively when both Tom and Minties have at least double the amount of posts he's made. Then we go to here...

1 - Ehhh not sure. Some people are sus of ness cause hes doing stuff different but I dont like that way of thinking
2 - Well I dont want to vote for anyone cause im not sure. I would vote for myself as a placeholder but I might die sooooo
3 - No I dont undertsand what people mean by "dangerous to the town". HOW CAN YOU HURT THE TOWN AS A TOWNIE. If i am annoying you just dont respond or bother looking at what I say.
4 - I guess. Not really motivated to play rn, I cant do anything right and the reasons I was trolling was I didnt know how to play but now I dont want to troll either.
5 - no im normal town.
6 - They have like barely posted. I think its kinda unfair to judge them harshly, they havent even posted
7 - Minties cause they're also annoying and they agree with eachother

He's fence sitting in #2, even when he clearly just stated that he thinks Tom and Minties are scum. These further the fact that I now think that Trojan is scum.
 
Ender I don't know if i'm explaning this correctly, but i'll do my best.

My original reasoning: When I first said the reasoning for voting Trojan was he was lacking in explanation and in general seemed a bit figity from it all, so I decided to do it as a pressure vote as well as him being twitchy. He still is lacking a detailed case when both Tom and Minties have been doing things the whole game. And also, take a look at this:



When he first mentions it, he says that Tom and Minties are playing like they want to hurt town. Fast forward...



He has a point on this, but he mentions them not playing productively when both Tom and Minties have at least double the amount of posts he's made. Then we go to here...



He's fence sitting in #2, even when he clearly just stated that he thinks Tom and Minties are scum. These further the fact that I now think that Trojan is scum.

I thought we got over this amount of posts = contribution.

And also I wasnt fence-sitting, I said I thought Tom and Minties were suspicious but if I vote for them I could be very wrong and hurt town.

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Whatever im gonna die anyways
 
I thought we got over this amount of posts = contribution.

And also I wasnt fence-sitting, I said I thought Tom and Minties were suspicious but if I vote for them I could be very wrong and hurt town.

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Whatever im gonna die anyways

So you're just giving up and voting yourself? If you're town, then shouldn't you be trying everything you can to help yourself?

Nevertheless I feel like you voting yourself in general is starting to go to my nulls.
 
Before I die I would like to bring up a pm sataric sent me. Im not sure why he sent this and I think its a bit weird.

"I just made a post in the thread which might make it seem like I am defending you. I really do not want to do that in case you turn out to be all evil and stuff in the end, you know? It'll make me look very bad. So would you please tell me your role and such, and become my trusty minion for this game, so we can win? Thanks. I'm 100% town." - Sataric

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So you're just giving up and voting yourself? If you're town, then shouldn't you be trying everything you can to help yourself?

Nevertheless I feel like you voting yourself in general is starting to go to my nulls.

Well I have lots of votes that I dont think will be removed
 
Before I die I would like to bring up a pm sataric sent me. Im not sure why he sent this and I think its a bit weird.

"I just made a post in the thread which might make it seem like I am defending you. I really do not want to do that in case you turn out to be all evil and stuff in the end, you know? It'll make me look very bad. So would you please tell me your role and such, and become my trusty minion for this game, so we can win? Thanks. I'm 100% town." - Sataric

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Well I have lots of votes that I dont think will be removed

Ok you have 3 votes right now including yourself and mine, so if I were to unvote along with you then you aren't dead. Your basically just giving up.

Anyway this makes me feel much more Null about Trojan, but i'm still iffy about him. Trojan, i'm going to unvote you from this behavior.

Anyway, i'd very much like Sataric to share why he PMed Trojan that.

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Trojan, please unvote yourself.
 
Before I die I would like to bring up a pm sataric sent me. Im not sure why he sent this and I think its a bit weird.

"I just made a post in the thread which might make it seem like I am defending you. I really do not want to do that in case you turn out to be all evil and stuff in the end, you know? It'll make me look very bad. So would you please tell me your role and such, and become my trusty minion for this game, so we can win? Thanks. I'm 100% town." - Sataric

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Well I have lots of votes that I dont think will be removed

@Trojan Do you know what time and day that PM from Sataric was sent to you ? im just curious as to what post in he thread they are referring to. Also you don't have a lot of votes on you, theres 18 players this game you had 3 votes on you thats not a lot and now if you unvote yourself you only have 1 so i don't know why you're so quick to seem to throw in the towel. i know you might feel discouraged when people go after you just cause your gameplay but please if you are town aligned i still think you can be helpful if you tried to be.
 
@Trojan Do you know what time and day that PM from Sataric was sent to you ? im just curious as to what post in he thread they are referring to. Also you don't have a lot of votes on you, theres 18 players this game you had 3 votes on you thats not a lot and now if you unvote yourself you only have 1 so i don't know why you're so quick to seem to throw in the towel. i know you might feel discouraged when people go after you just cause your gameplay but please if you are town aligned i still think you can be helpful if you tried to be.

He sent it to me really close to the start. I had only posted like once or twice
 
Lotta nonvoters and if Trojan wants to give up so be it. If he wasn't really feeling like playing he could have opted to get replaced while he still can instead this oh woe is me thing. It comes off to me as a ploy and I feel like y'all are easily buying into it.
 
Lotta nonvoters and if Trojan wants to give up so be it. If he wasn't really feeling like playing he could have opted to get replaced while he still can instead this oh woe is me thing. It comes off to me as a ploy and I feel like y'all are easily buying into it.

I will put my vote back on him if theres no other options to choose from, but him giving up felt really null.
 
I don't see why the suspicion on Trojan is there. I'm going to vote no lynch for now to show my disapproval of this lynch although I will very likely change it before voting is up.
 
Lotta nonvoters and if Trojan wants to give up so be it. If he wasn't really feeling like playing he could have opted to get replaced while he still can instead this oh woe is me thing. It comes off to me as a ploy and I feel like y'all are easily buying into it.
Like I'm good enough to do that
 
He sent it to me really close to the start. I had only posted like once or twice

@Trojan can you be a little bit more specific, this doesn't really give me any info.

Lotta nonvoters and if Trojan wants to give up so be it. If he wasn't really feeling like playing he could have opted to get replaced while he still can instead this oh woe is me thing. It comes off to me as a ploy and I feel like y'all are easily buying into it.

not buying into it Tom, questioning it. maybe replacing him would be the best thing. Trojan how do you feel about being replaced?, if your feeling like just giving up anyways?
 
Like I'm good enough to do that
Could be getting coached from your mafia team. 😊

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Also I swear to god if we have a no lynch God help you all for the wrath me and Mouthwashies will inflict on you all.
 
A no lynch is even worse of a situation then lynching anyone else.
 
I guess I won't give up yet.

@Panda it was sent at 03-07-2016, 06:23 PM on AEST
 
@Ness & Tom you rather mislynch our doctor or someone a long those lines than have a no lynch ?

No, but we get literally nothing from a no lynch. nada, no information. Atleast with a Trojan lynch we'd get who apposed and was for it.
 
What I was trying to get at is, Tom was saying that we should lynch him because he is annoying and he doesn't want to deal with that.
I initially thought Trojan wanted to back off a little bit so he wouldn't come off as annoying this game and he could get on people's good side so they would not mislynch.

But now that Trojan said that he was just unmotivated to play/**** post, my read on him becomes invalid.
He could come back motivated, start **** posting again, and get annoying like Tom says.
I don't like to go against my gut usually (gut tells me he's town) because that's how I personally play mafia, but if a policy lynch is in effect, Trojan could be a good guess
Wait wait wait. I thought you were against policy by having a suspicion of Tom? So what's your stance on policy lynching?

@Sataric Sorry for taking so long to reply - didn't see it at first and wanted to hear what you had to say to Ender once he brought it up.

But to reference the QT, "I actually really liked Tom's more recent posts. They seem to try to be bringing us forward rather than back and starting to bring up some pretty reasonable points."

Plus, I feel like he's cleared up many of my suspicions towards him and when I did put pressure on him, he didn't buckle. I don't see much that he's done scummy that he hasn't cleared up besides advocating policy lynching but that seems like a null indication tbh. That's why I really wanted someone who's played with him before to confirm/deny this as his meta.

Wow this is actually really vague now that I look at it. If you want any clarification, I'd be glad to offer some up.

nO ON THE NO LYNCH. Why is this even being considered ;_;

Tbh if Trojan starts acting trolly af later, I think that'd be a big indicator of scum and we'd lynch him for inconsistent behavior. But it seems like he's actually trying to change his playstyle, so I don't see why he's really being considered for policy anymore considering he's actually trying and he's not derailing thread.

@Trojan what's your thoughts about the game so far?

In other news, I just got a score of 109 on perfection track 1 in Papers Please so I'm pleased with myself rn.

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Alright *cracks knuckles* Let's get down to business on this Minties post, shall we?
I'll play how I want and that's my playstyle, always has been. I'm not usually as mad as that, but I've had little to no sleep while having to go to uni today and work, so my patience for stupid posts was effectively zero. I didn't put Ender on a pedestal considering I didn't clear him in any way, shape or form. I pointed out that he seemingly agreed with my on the Jacob suspicion because everyone else seemed to have glossed over it and you said it was out of context to have a scum read on Jacob who only came in, said Tom was sus and left. You're looking for a way to accuse me of being red with any little thing that I do and discount my reads on people, noted.

Votes are retractable, but they're damning. Every vote means something and for Ness to chuck it down that fast after questioning Trojan doesn't sit well with me and I'm not the only one. I did say to not write zoolka off as town, even criticised Sataric for doing so. You're the one instantly clearing players like zoolka for asking about mafia things, which is incredibly dangerous imo. It's just once again another example of you cherry picking/ignoring pieces of my posts to paint me in a scum light. You want to try to get me lynched for your scum buddies? Gonna tell you that it's going to be a hard fight for you. I'm not Trundle, I will fight back.

You've already got 52 posts on D1, my head hurts having to go through them to try and find information.

btw you're full of it claiming that you didn't just follow Ayaya and Sataric in being vocally against policy lynches in an effort to appear pro-town.

@Yellow: Yeah, sleep's important, just make sure health and stuff is in check :)

@Orange: But you said, "Even Enderwiggin....", which would imply that somehow his opinion was more important than others. Unless you had some other reason for specifying him?

@Red: I never said this?

@Teal All you needed to make that complete was the lemon emoticon :lemon:

@Blue Maybe it's because I play on mafiascum, but I could see him adapting that kind of pressure because of the playstyle on there.

@Lime When did I ever do that?

@Dark Green 1) Cherrypicking? I don't believe you've brought this one up before. Care to give examples?

2) Good. I don't want to mislynch, so if you can prove me wrong please do. You're not doing a very good job of it rn though.


@Purple (and the rest of your post where you conclude I'm scum for this): Look at my previous post which I'll link/quote in a sec, but I think that might just be you not knowing me. If you think I'm so full of it then perhaps we shouldn't talk much outside of mafia. But that's the 100% truth there.

Not really sure if you're just finding scummy names that you can throw at me just to justify yourself or if you're seriously that scared of pressure but actually have basis behind your points.
 
@sarasa. IDK games been derailed a little. I don't know how I feel about Tom anymore, he's done some good posts as well as the bad ones. Ness has kinda been flip flopping and saying things while doing the opposite. What do you think about Satanic? I'm kinda confused as to the point of the pm but it would make sense if he was Mafia and information hunting
 
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