Politics General Discussion Thread - "USA Presidential Election 2016" Editon

[oath2order]

I wonder if there would be the same problem if Hillary was elected because she was hated just as much or maybe less in my eyes, Obama wasn't nearly as hated nor was he really hated at all so I don't think anybody felt like beating his supporters, but Hillary's different.

Yes, there would be. Trump himself said that if he lost, then it was rigged.

I have a question on the new election issue. Do you think we should keep the electoral college or should we throw it away so the president and vice president's victory is determined by the popular vote? We had the electoral college system for a long time because back in the day it came out, there was no internet, TV, or radio. So we couldn't decide by the popular vote. Now that we have social media, it's already becoming an issue to debate on.

I do think *something* needs to change. I don't think the popular vote would work, the midwest would be ignored. The electoral college forces candidates to focus only on a few states and our elections are basically decided on what ****ing Ohio feels like. It also gives Democrats a massive leg up with California and New York.

I wonder how a proportional electoral college would work. For example, California is 55 votes. She won 61% of the state. She should get 33.5 of the electoral votes. This results in the voices of 3 million people in CA that voted for Trump to still have their voices and votes actually count.

 

[moonford]

No. Wouldn't be shown on the media.

Yes it would.

 

[the mayor]

Yes it would.

It definitely would be. The media would want to show defeated Trump supporters/the losers.

But would there be protests/riots on this scale? I doubt it.

 

[Cory]

It definitely would be. The media would want to show defeated Trump supporters/the losers.

But would there be protests/riots on this scale? I doubt it.

bc conservatives are civilized

 

[Bowie]

Trump said he would say whether he was happy or not with losing "at the time", which pretty much confirms he wouldn't accept the result if he lost, like a big baby. Hell, old tweets from his Twitter account (which he is no longer allowed to use, though he is supposed to be capable of handling nuclear launch codes) detail him ranting on about how the election is rigged, long before he himself started running.

And about the Electoral College, I think that we should decide it 100%. Why even have a popular vote if it doesn't actually have any impact on the final decision? Hilary won the bloody thing, after all.

The Electoral College can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, and they would only have to pay a small fine for it. They should have chosen Hilary as a result of her winning the popular vote, in my opinion.

 

[the mayor]

My only concern is the popular vote being heavily influenced by the media. You're supposed to do your own homework on your candidates but if the news is only covering one person, it'll still have a significant impact.

 

[Cory]

My only concern is the popular vote being heavily influenced by the media. You're supposed to do your own homework on your candidates but if the news is only covering one person, it'll still have a significant impact.

especially when they cover all the "good" things one candidate has done and all the "bad" things another has done

 

[Reindeer]

Trump said he would say whether he was happy or not with losing "at the time", which pretty much confirms he wouldn't accept the result if he lost, like a big baby. Hell, old tweets from his Twitter account (which he is no longer allowed to use, though he is supposed to be capable of handling nuclear launch codes) detail him ranting on about how the election is rigged, long before he himself started running.

And about the Electoral College, I think that we should decide it 100%. Why even have a popular vote if it doesn't actually have any impact on the final decision? Hilary won the bloody thing, after all.

The Electoral College can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, and they would only have to pay a small fine for it. They should have chosen Hilary as a result of her winning the popular vote, in my opinion.

read oath2order's post on it. deciding by popular vote would mean that a large part of the country would be ignored, and might as well not vote.

there is currently a democratic system in place in america, and you can't just change it because you're salty that your candidate didn't win. clinton lost the election: deal with it.

 

[oath2order]

read oath2order's post on it. deciding by popular vote would mean that a large part of the country would be ignored, and might as well not vote.

there is currently a democratic system in place in america, and you can't just change it because you're salty that your candidate didn't win. clinton lost the election: deal with it.

Well, I still do think the system needs to change, but let 'em keep Trump in charge just as a result of the system.

 

[Bowie]

read oath2order's post on it. deciding by popular vote would mean that a large part of the country would be ignored, and might as well not vote.

there is currently a democratic system in place in america, and you can't just change it because you're salty that your candidate didn't win. clinton lost the election: deal with it.

If the Electoral College's power over the vote was abolished completely, it wouldn't hurt to change a few things around with the popular vote and expand its territory. Let's remind ourselves that out of the 231,556,622 people that were eligible to vote, 46.9% of them didn't anyway, and over 11,000 people voted for a meme. I don't think people would vote regardless.

 

[chibibunnyx]

If the Electoral College's power over the vote was abolished completely, it wouldn't hurt to change a few things around with the popular vote and expand its territory. Let's remind ourselves that out of the 231,556,622 people that were eligible to vote, 46.9% of them didn't anyway, and over 11,000 people voted for a meme. I don't think people would vote regardless.

This I agree with. We have to face it, not enough people vote, which makes it more frustrating to those who do vote, cause it's like why complain if you didn't vote, you know? A lot of people question the thought of whether or not voting should be mandatory. I'm still stuck on I don't know as an answer. Cause yeah trolls will be trolls regardless (in regards to those voting harambe, smh), but at the same time are people even educating themselves a bit on the election to even go out and vote?

Let's be real, especially with this election, no one was staring at either candidates insulting each other like it's a reality show on the debates. I personally, changed the channel cause I was still asking myself if they are actually serious right now. And the government does make politics extremely difficult to understand what's going on to the average citizen (I had to give political science 101 to tons of people disregarding the fact that there's an electoral college and what are swing/battleground states)

While I do feel like the electoral college makes it frustrating for both parties to see an election fairly, I'm still not convinced people would take it any more serious if there was a popular vote only, or if it was mandatory to vote.

 

[-Apples-]

I'm actually against removing the electoral college too, but I was asking for opinions because this is what people complained about. But here's the thing, no matter what election decision you make, like abolishing the electoral system or repealing the 22nd Amendment, there's always gonna be a double edged sword, whether you change it or leave it alone. For the liberals, they would do it to benefit the Democratic Party and get their policies passed. The downside, that would also make the Republicans more powerful as well if they have the advantage, meaning that their policies the liberals hate will be passed. The same would be true the other way around if it were the conservatives that want it.

I do agree with the limits on how long one can be president, but that should also apply to the other governmemt positions as well. I believe that senators should have only two terms, representatives should have only six terms, nobody else from a former president's family should run for president, and 80 is the maximum age a politician can be while serving in the federal government.

Ever want to know why California has 55 electoral votes and why states like Wyoming have 3? It's because of population. The more people that live in your state, the more representatives you would need. The total electoral votes is calculated by 3 from DC, 100 from the senators, and 435 from the representatives. That's 538. The states with more people have different electoral districts for a certain population. If more people leave one state, there will be less seats for the state, meaning fewer electoral votes. Likewise, a population gain means more seats for the state, meaning more electoral votes. California is the highest populated state, which is why it counts for a lot of the electoral votes. Florida has a high population, which is why it has a lot of electoral votes. Due to its high population and political diversity, the election with this system always counts on Florida and other states like this to win.

 

[SolaireOfAstora]

i'm sorry America, as Canada, we wanted to save you...but you can't save a country if they don't want to be saved...

 

[oath2order]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ote-replacement-president-elect-a7412621.html

cackling.

Apple2012 where's your president now

 

[Bowie]

I love how Donald Trump's new website has a section asking people how they think America can be made great. Here's an idea: maybe get somebody as president who already knows how to make America great?

He also has a "help wanted" page. You're not even in the White House yet and you already need help?

 

[Cory]

I love how Donald Trump's new website has a section asking people how they think America can be made great. Here's an idea: maybe get somebody as president who already knows how to make America great?

He also has a "help wanted" page. You're not even in the White House yet and you already need help?

or maybe he want to actually listen and care about the people unlike every other president

 

[Artist]

I love how Donald Trump's new website has a section asking people how they think America can be made great. Here's an idea: maybe get somebody as president who already knows how to make America great?

He also has a "help wanted" page. You're not even in the White House yet and you already need help?

Dumbest comment yet

 

[Bowie]

Educate yourselves on his views, political claims, and policies, and then maybe you'll have the authority to call me dumb. Nobody has been able to challenge anything I've said here without resorting to cheap jokes and insults.

Should be common knowledge by now that the man is complete and utter trash. Gotta say it like it is, just like his supporters keep justifying their blatant discrimination with. Thanks.

 

[Artist]

Educate yourselves on his views, political claims, and policies, and then maybe you'll have the authority to call me dumb. Nobody has been able to challenge anything I've said here without resorting to cheap jokes and insults.

Should be common knowledge by now that the man is complete and utter trash. Gotta say it like it is, just like his supporters keep justifying their blatant discrimination with. Thanks.

Lol ok.
We already challenged you during the actually election (I bet you aren't even old enough to vote, lol) and you lost.

You and your stupid liberal comments won't make Donald Trump less of our president, and if you are looking for educated responses, turn back a few pages and read up on everything Karen wrote. No need for Trump supporters to constantly repeat themselves because you guys won't take a loss. Get over it there is nothing you can do. Sorry everything didn't go your way. Thanks.

 

[Bowie]

Lol ok.
We already challenged you during the actually election (I bet you aren't even old enough to vote, lol) and you lost.

You and your stupid liberal comments won't make Donald Trump less of our president, and if you are looking for educated responses, turn back a few pages and read up on everything Karen wrote. No need for Trump supporters to constantly repeat themselves because you guys won't take a loss. Get over it there is nothing you can do. Sorry everything didn't go your way. Thanks.

Already challenged me? I'm British. I live in the UK. What the hell made you think I was voting? Oh, wait, you haven't read a single thing I've said here, have you? If you had, you would've known that already. Nice try!

Less of a president? Can that man become any less of a president? To repeat myself for the thousandth time, this is a man who thinks planned parenthood is an "abortion factory", thinks Muslim Americans should be abolished until he can "figure things out", "can't decide", on transsexual rights, wants to surrogate individual states (which is what his stance on same-sex marriage will result in), is a complete pervert who calls women "big fat pigs", and has been accused of being a rapist multiple times, including by his very own ex-wife. Oh, and just recently the KKK have claimed him to have "reunited [their] people".

You can't justify a single thing about that. Go ahead and try. You Trump goons are all the same, refusing to believe the truth about him. You vote for singular reasons and couldn't care less about America's future.

I waste my breath. It goes in one ear and straight out the other, doesn't it?