There is just so much that I can speak about on this subject. To me, it?s not a matter of pro choice or pro life. Women are required as much body autonomy as men. Because whether you are a man a woman or something in between, you are a person. You should be in control of your life. Abortion isn?t something that people go out to get and think nothing of. Pregnant people know what it means to end a pregnancy, it?s an extremely hard decision to make. Stop harassing them over it.
This is by far the best statement I've read throughout this thread. And is completely true! I have worked in the prenatal setting and had to learn how to facilitate and counsel families through genetic testing which and the process of terminating a pregnancy.
First off I think trying to say man's or woman's opinion is invalid is just stupid overall. I care more about where that opinion is coming from. If its coming from a male OBGYN or other doctor related to healthcare especially in that field.... yeah I want that person's input. If it is from someone whose only experience is reading on the internet or biased based on some sort of personal emotional experience, then yeah I'm less inclined to listen to them in a serious conversation. No woman is ever happy going through a termination and the majority of terminations are done as early as possible. Usually its because there is some genetic abnormality that means the fetus' chance of living to birth is very small (Trisomy 18/13 or Turner Syndrome). Those women are devastated and just want to move on. Are their exceptions, yes..... but I guarantee the majority of abortions happen like this, and usually its through a health professional.
There are laws to abortions, i believe its 24 weeks is the general cut off to have an abortion. Usually pregnancies are noticed by this point and its decided to keep or not, let alone these other medical factors coming into play. Late term pregnancies can be terminated after these 24 weeks, but that is only if there is a severe medical reason for the baby or mother... AGAIN, the majority of terminations follow these regulations and have health professionals to guide them through the decision making process that is just not a fun conversation to have.
The whole money hungry corporate agenda argument really pisses me off, because I work with a lot of doctors and nurses who didn't go into this field for the money.... there are far better ways to make more without getting the education and having the long hours that go along with healthcare jobs. People use the comparison of cancer care is so lucrative why would they release a "cure for cancer" when we can make so much money. All of the doctors I work with are there for patients first and foremost, care deeply for these patients, so to say we are doing it for the money is ridiculous and those people have no concept of cancer/ cancer care. I would say that its probably largely the same, people aren't just doing abortions because they can be done cheap and billed high.... like what? If you talk to reputable healthcare professionals who work with facilitating abortions, I bet they would all think the same way.
Yael said:
Most of its body parts have grown by the 12 weeks. It does not have the same genetic material as you, so it isn't a part of you. It's an individual life you should take care of. It's not your decision what should happen to the baby as it's not your body.
I've seen a 12 week terminated fetus outside the womb and I guarantee you it does not look much like a human... A person is 50% DNA from each parent, I stand that that means each parent needs equal say in determining what is done. The woman carries the child, but a man is also never given the opportunity to do that... If I'm counseling a family about this decision and the husband/father of the baby isn't participating you better believe I'm gonna engage him and figure out what he thinks.
Also the comparison to slavery was just.... weird. Pretty sure slavery was still profitable during the civil war times, hence why the south (where agriculture was a prominent industry) fought so strongly, because the slave labor was cheap. The north didn't hide slaves in their houses and fight a war because of a washed up factor of an industry not as relevant to them..... this is getting off topic
The last thing I'll touch on is the elected terminations based on genetic conditions like down syndrome. I've worked with children with special needs in an overnight camp and essentially acted as a parent to these kids for a few days. In that time I got so much respect for those parents and really learned that its so hard to have that as your life. Most genetic conditions are not chosen to happen (the majority of cases of down syndrome have no reason for them, they can happen in any pregnancy). Yes you have the religious people who get through it because "god brought them that child" and thats great for them. However I also fully recognize that a family may not be capable to raise a child with special needs, may be terrified of what might be ahead in that situation that they had no control over. So if they choose to terminate, I want to make sure they are fully aware of the options and have an accurate idea of what its like to raise a child with special needs before making that decision.... but that is there decision and I fully support it in my field (Genetic counseling)
In summary, you can assume all you want and read as many articles on the internet. But until you actually experience something in the field and work with people who have disabilities or children with disabilities or go through an abortion/termination then, yeah your opinion is gonna hold less credit in my eyes....
Stay in school children
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Also, are there unsavory abortion clinics and people who don't follow what I describe? absolutely, there are bad examples in every industry and every consumer for anything... that doesn't mean you ruin it for the people doing it right or think any less of the people (the majority of which are in situations I described) who go through it the "right way"
Don't know what I expected clicking into here, so much heated discussion ! 
