Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[DinoTown]

I'm too pissed to play this game atm, apologies. I'll be back later today when I have calm down. People have died in my life and it's frustrating atm.

Hope you're okay

 

[Antonio]

you get emotional and aggravated when people suspect you. its not helpful at all

I am not. It's other factors. Plus, don't you have any original thoughts regarding me?

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trying to find a pattern with role names also leaves the possibility for maf to use those role names to figure out a pattern for blues. finding a pattern this early is harmful for us. leave role names till near the end when PoE kicks in if you're so adamant to

There's no pattern regarding blue roles. This is what I did. I saw Arstro claim Donald Trump. I counter claimed and mentioned that our roles differ. There were other reasons regarding a lynch for Kat but Donald Trump doesn't even fit the other roles claimed by everyone.

 

[Seroja]

the very fact that you are replacement...is scummy to me..ive always does sus replacements and i always will

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but I am kinda biased towards you because I always see you as towny so I am just like okay...so i am very confused

sweetie everyone confuses you at this point lol. you can do better

I generally have a different playstyle every game regardless of alignment. Many would say my playstyle last game as town was similar to my mafia playstyle, some wouldn't. Depends what games you have played with me.

that's fair but I only brought up the play style argument to counter Geoni's take on your playstyle. I mainly read you for based on your content.

"anyway, i don't really see why you're quoting voltairenism's posts and analysing them as if they're a different player altogether. you replaced their slot and it doesn't matter how different your playstyles are you still have the same role that they randed.
it just seems like a very theatric attempt to distance yourself from whatever mistakes you think they made/red flags they set off when i think you should just be taking it on the chin and moving on from it instead of making excuses for them

like of course you're going to argue that volt was just an overwhelmed noob townie lol what's the point in even making that observation? you're defending yourself as much as anything else"

i quoted volt bc i still don't really get why they were scum read to much. like kat and volt are the only ones that were widely sussed but i really only get kat's lynch. people seem to still be sus of me because of my past slots behavior so im trying to rationalize it as much as i can. i can't explain why volt did certain things but im hoping people can see that volt may have been doing things from a town perspective; instead of just labeling me scum bc of volt and the fact that he subbed out

I can see this. And I believe it's unfair for other players to heap that sus on you without giving you a chance first.

Alrighty, I am online and ready to play. I'll be honest, all this sus on me is frustrating to the point I want to break the rules in order to make a ****ing point to scum so I need to take a few deep breaths after I post this before I ever reach that point.

First of all, Damniel came in here and is susing me based on what others said. @epona came at me early in day 1 for restating what others have said, how does that differ between me and damniel?

Second of all, my role fits. My role is regarded to cleaning off bugs from deers and such. Therefore, it fits. How does Donald Trump fit regarding cleaning compared to the other roles? The case still stands.

Finally, I wouldn't be this ****ing obvious as mafia. I would let others **** themselves up, not **** myself up.

This is what is going to happen. I am against being lynched day 2 but if I must, I will vote myself off to prove a point. I would even post my role image after I die to prove a point that mafia was targeting me. So, Let's GOOOOOO.

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Sorry, I'm getting pissed.

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I stick by my statements that there's an obvious pattern regarding roles. The role names might differ, but the rules never state that the pattern can be similar.

Antonio dear please calm down. I didn't agree with what you did but honestly I find it hard to believe that you're scum. Also stop talking about how your role fits and whatnot, there's no way to tell. We are all here looking to scumhunt so there will always be people who will find it hard to believe, just like you how you didn't want to believe that Volt is Mr. Clean. Anyway STOP talking about the roles because it's counterproductive.

Also don't you dare vote yourself if you're town. Proving a point or not, that is incredibly selfish and to the detriment of town.

 

[Biancasbotique]

Antonio, I think you should rest it easy today. I am sorry for what you're going through..

 

[Damniel]

I am not. It's other factors. Plus, don't you have any original thoughts regarding me?

im suspecting you for fishing for role names to try to get a role list. there was no point in your claiming your role along with your name and i pointed out in my comments of the game you are ultimately inconsistent with your behavior. others have brought up that role names are not helpful, but they haven't quite yet stated that you are scum for pushing this agenda

if you need to deal with your personal life, please take the day to. im not going to get in a heated fight with you as you seem to be getting too emotional for this

 

[Antonio]

Also don't you dare vote yourself if you're town. Proving a point or not, that is incredibly selfish and to the detriment of town.

Everyone susses me. If a majority reaches, I will vote myself off to prove a point that all this was a planned hit regarding mafia.

 

[Ace Marvel]

I'm having the time of my life here, this game is tough!

Teddy’s special report MAY 20 (no unholy trinity this time.)

1. Trundle Townie, haven’t proved not to be on the good side. I have no reasons to suspect him. Same as before
2. epona Everyone shows their true color eventually. Still mafia lean.
3. dinotown Townie, Not getting mafia vibes.
4. bell accont Townie, nothing new to say
5. mayor leaf I’m starting to feel the mafia in you, oh oh it’s magic mafia, and you know, never believe it’s not so.
6. seroja - Town lean, nothing else new.
7. biancasbotique might be a little bias, but townie, same cheerful Bianca as always.
8. Damniel townie, agrevissive style yet helpful, volt was never mafia to me so I’m going with that. You are entering null territory.
9. geoni townie, nothing new to say.
10. Antonio Scum, you have an aura of confidence that makes you feel invincible, maybe you already know you can’t die tonight.Have the same feelings.

Spoiler: Offtopic

In unrelated news, I'm loving this skin for Caitlyn in LoL, am I the only one? so pretty and great add champ.

 

[Antonio]

im suspecting you for fishing for role names to try to get a role list. there was no point in your claiming your role along with your name and i pointed out in my comments of the game you are ultimately inconsistent with your behavior. others have brought up that role names are not helpful, but they haven't quite yet stated that you are scum for pushing this agenda

if you need to deal with your personal life, please take the day to. im not going to get in a heated fight with you as you seem to be getting too emotional for this

There was a point. I claimed to prove a point that Donald Trump doesn't fit well with the role I have, nor others. You may not agree with the point but there was a point to it. It wasn't useless.

Other people didn't have to claim along with me, that was their decision. I didn't magically make people claim.

 

[Seroja]

Everyone susses me. If a majority reaches, I will vote myself off to prove a point that all this was a planned hit regarding mafia.

I would actually prefer you defend yourself to the very end. But I hope you're doing okay, feel better! Take a breather and come back. We have 48 hours on D2 and anything can happen. Just stop talking about roles because that will make people more wary of you and just focus on finding scum.

 

[epona]

I'm saying that I find it very odd that Antonio talks specifically about voting for who gets us the most information and encourages us to discuss what info can be gotten from what vote, and then at the end of it, we get a no flip and no information.

At the same time, I'd like to give Antonio more credit than that. It's weird, but I think if Antonio knew that the mafia team was looking to wipe someone, they wouldn't decide to go and so explicitly say "let's talk about which lynch gets us the most information - a.k.a the worst lynch to suddenly be wiped"

If we say the janitor is in the mafia and so knew there would be no flip, then mafia wouldn't be voting elsewhere to save mafia!Kat because they had clearly already decided to sacrifice Kat - I'd imagine the choice to wipe Kat occurred around the same time Kat made her last post, not any later.

If Kat was town or third party, then choosing to wipe Kat could have occurred at any time, but still, mafia would feel safe voting for Kat because it would make it harder to pick out the mafia from everyone on the Kat wagon. Any counterwagon, in that case, would more than likely have been at least started by a townie, which makes it weirder that there wasn't - unless Kat had convinced everyone else they were mafia to the same level she convinced me.

This, to me, lends stronger to the idea that Kat was actually mafia, because in the case of mafia!Kat, no counterwagon can make sense, but less so in town!Kat.

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what do you mean, though? it sounds like you're asking me why I'm acting like the janitor is in the mafia. where else are they gonna be? I don't see the janitor being town-aligned or third party. If you're asking me something else, can you please explain what you're asking because I'm not sure I know what you want to know.

i disagree about antonio, i think in hindsight the question they posted to us makes them seem scummy after kat didn't flip


by my second question i'm asking why you seem so confident about mafia (knowingly) being responsible for kat not flipping when it is possible it was part of kat's role

i'm just wary of people making conclusive statements about the game mechanics

 

[Antonio]

you have an aura of confidence that makes you feel invincible, maybe you already know you can’t die tonight.Have the same feelings.

This is what I mean, y'all are setting up all this **** so mafia can vote me off day 2. Maybe it's the way I talk but I don't need to put some fake false certainity to indicate anything. I am extremely direct.

 

[epona]

I'm having the time of my life here, this game is tough!

Teddy’s special report MAY 20 (no unholy trinity this time.)

1. Trundle Townie, haven’t proved not to be on the good side. I have no reasons to suspect him. Same as before
2. epona Everyone shows their true color eventually. Still mafia lean.
3. dinotown Townie, Not getting mafia vibes.
4. bell accont Townie, nothing new to say
5. mayor leaf I’m starting to feel the mafia in you, oh oh it’s magic mafia, and you know, never believe it’s not so.
6. seroja - Town lean, nothing else new.
7. biancasbotique might be a little bias, but townie, same cheerful Bianca as always.
8. Damniel townie, agrevissive style yet helpful, volt was never mafia to me so I’m going with that. You are entering null territory.
9. geoni townie, nothing new to say.
10. Antonio Scum, you have an aura of confidence that makes you feel invincible, maybe you already know you can’t die tonight.Have the same feelings.

Spoiler: Offtopic

In unrelated news, I'm loving this skin for Caitlyn in LoL, am I the only one? so pretty and great add champ.
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can you explain like... any of these

 

[Antonio]

I would actually prefer you defend yourself to the very end. But I hope you're doing okay, feel better! Take a breather and come back. We have 48 hours on D2 and anything can happen. Just stop talking about roles because that will make people more wary of you and just focus on finding scum.

Of course I'm going to defend myself, I am against voting myself off. However, If I need to prove a point that this is a planned sus from Mafia by voting myself off, I'll do it. I'll sink myself to prove a point.

 

[Ace Marvel]

can you explain like... any of these

Yes! let me get off of work and I'll expand on my ideas.

On a side note, I do agree on this with Antonio, the role names are connected in some way, not necessarily to the role, but they are. Might not help as clues, but once we get the full story, we will be like ohhh!! that makes sense.

 

[Seroja]

trying to find a pattern with role names also leaves the possibility for maf to use those role names to figure out a pattern for blues. finding a pattern this early is harmful for us. leave role names till near the end when PoE kicks in if you're so adamant to

I agree.

Antonio I don't see you as scummy for discussing role names because I've seen town discussing it in previous games. However, it IS harmful to town actually and I don't blame Daniel for thinking that you were fishing for blue roles.

 

[epona]

There was a point. I claimed to prove a point that Donald Trump doesn't fit well with the role I have, nor others. You may not agree with the point but there was a point to it. It wasn't useless.

Other people didn't have to claim along with me, that was their decision. I didn't magically make people claim.

firstly, regarding stuff going on irl, it's a really tough time for everyone so i can empathise and i hope you're ok


secondly WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT ROLE CLAIMS
saying that you accept that we can't discern alignment from role names but that we may be able to discern a pattern is just plain semantics, what is the difference??? if we were able to discern a pattern that actually gave us anything worthwhile to go off, we'd be able to discern alignment. this argument is stupid and it's been explained time and time again why it's stupid

you're contradicting yourself too; yes donald trump seems random when it comes to cleaning but the first thing i think of when i heard red billed ox head fat bird or whatever your role name is is not 'oh yeah this bird is great at cleaning'
maybe it IS a widely known ornithology fact that the bird gets rid of ticks from deer, i have NO idea but like... you still can't say it's as in line with a 'squeaky clean' theme as mr clean or rubber ducky or whatever

you can make anything fit a theme if you try hard enough. donald trump has cleaned SOMETHING at least once in his life i'm sure. also, he's literally the president of the USA so i could honestly see him fitting in as a role name in ANY mafia game

if you were to line up all the roles that have been claimed so far i would argue YOURS is the one that seems the most random. abandon this line of thought it's not doing you any favours and it's really frustrating quite a few of us

 

[Damniel]

engaging with antonio right now (given their emotional state) probably won't be productive and just lead to a heated fight. this is reminding of me of last game where their got into a fight over the flawed reasoning for claiming mason so early. we can talk about this D2. an emotional argument won't help anyone and will deter others from the game. take your time to cool off

 

[Seroja]

Of course I'm going to defend myself, I am against voting myself off. However, If I need to prove a point that this is a planned sus from Mafia by voting myself off, I'll do it. I'll sink myself to prove a point.

this is giving me rose the roleblocker flashbacks

Yes! let me get off of work and I'll expand on my ideas.

On a side note, I do agree on this with Antonio, the role names are connected in some way, not necessarily to the role, but they are. Might not help as clues, but once we get the full story, we will be like ohhh!! that makes sense.

I'm so excited for End Game post! I'm loving this theme so much


@Damniel I will state my susses at the end of night phase if that's okay with you

 

[Antonio]

Y'all are right. The role claims can be something or nothing but we should be talking about other things. Y'all mention we should be talking about other things so put something forth regarding it. However, it should be brought back up if it shall, not completely stopped for the entire game.

BTW, just because Damniel came in doesn't mean the person he replaced isn't less scum. @Damniel What is your justification regarding your replacement previous actions?

 

[DinoTown]

i disagree about antonio, i think in hindsight the question they posted to us makes them seem scummy after kat didn't flip

I agree that it makes them seem scummy, which is why I'm worried, because mafia!Antonio with the janitor on their side will have made that comment with the knowledge that the mafia intended to, or at least had the ability, wipe someone. Looking back, it's about as close as you can get to the mafia coming up to us as asking "so who should we wipe". I really don't think Antonio would do that, it's almost a case of TMI, but I could also be giving Antonio too much credit, and you could be right.

by my second question i'm asking why you seem so confident about mafia (knowingly) being responsible for kat not flipping when it is possible it was part of kat's role

i'm just wary of people making conclusive statements about the game mechanics

It is possible that it was part of Kat's role, but a third party janitor who can wipe themselves and wipe lynches instead of (or as well as) night kills seems weird, more like something a very experimental set-up would have.

If we get another wipe somewhere we'll know that Kat was not janitor.
We'll also be able to tell how 'experimental' this set-up is once we do get some roles. If we start getting some really weird ones then it seems more likely that Kat is that way, but currently, I'm just going on the basis that janitor being mafia-aligned seems the most likely and logical.