Mafia Squeaky Clean Mafia - Day 3 - Ends Monday May 25 at 7pm EST

[Geoni]

Dino and Trundle would mean we've got top-tier actors on both sides I don't read that as theater.

Trundle in general...I liked what I saw in his readslist and he -was- a voice of reason about certain things this far, but the only moments I dislike was the vote justification and not really going in on analyzing everyone, but (forgive me cause y'all will hate this) that's still in his town-range, meta-wise. But I am trying to not anchor myself on that because it's been some time since I've seen him wolf. Quite some time. I'm not currently there on a wolfread yet.

Dino I will try and give a quick ISO on because the EoD didn't impress me.

Volt actually had some posts and stances that felt like a townie would have and they questioned what I wanted to question and Dan replaced in and had some moments I wasn't the greatest fan of but I will also put getting around to his larger post on the to do list. Work is gonna pick back up in speed for a bit.

Life sucks rn I miss the good old normal. Frick the new normal.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Honestly I agree with Seroja. I don’t think Kat was town. I’m guessing third party which may be why we were all getting such weird vibes from her.

Regarding the lack of counter-wagon: I was actually going to suggest a Voltairenism counter-wagon but everyone was discussing role names which was incredibly frustrating to me. I feel like it’s pretty much every day that someone who I won’t name leads the discussion down a completely useless path that adds absolutely nothing to the game and I just gave up. Call me tilted or bad, I’m honestly just annoyed.

 

[epona]

Were people not seeing that other people were willing to wagon Volt but just casually jumped onto the Kat wagon for not solving or showing drive. Like yeah that was a primary reason I placed my vote on Kat but I would want to have seen more than just Kat become a wagon when people had much deeper and more analyzed lunch preferences

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In regards to what I bolded why is that the case?

i'd sussed both dinotown and antonio earlier on in the day so just referring back to that

i do think that antonio's question asking us all what information our chosen lynch candidate's deaths would provide stands out a bit more now considering we now know there's a janitor, or at least some sort of game mechanic/role that is functionally similar to a janitor.

agreeing with seroja and trundle in that i don't think kat was town-aligned. i get that we were all expecting her to flip one way or the other (i.e. none of us predicted a janitor role) but the fact that her death didn't reveal an alignment doesn't negate the half-hearted and anti-town way she was playing up until she got lynched.

 

[DinoTown]

i do think that antonio's question asking us all what information our chosen lynch candidate's deaths would provide stands out a bit more now considering we now know there's a janitor, or at least some sort of game mechanic/role that is functionally similar to a janitor.

Okay, now that you've mentioned it, it is actually a very odd coincidence that Antonio specifically talks about and asks us about information to be gotten from lynches only for it to turn around that we have no information after lynching.

I'd kinda brushed that under the rug because answering the question helped me decide what the best vote to place was, a.k.a I found it helpful, but now we've already had a lynch and are still left with nothing... Antonio might have been counting on the fact that people would just ignore it, because it was a question that helped get thoughts in order.

 

[toadsworthy]

A little over 9 hours to get actions in! They can be switched and I only take the last confirmed action before 7pm EST

 

[Damniel]

I see Danmiel and Trundle being a potential mafia team.

is this for my slots actions as volt or from what i’ve done. and is this for me and trundle being teamed or individually suspicious

I feel like it’s pretty much every day that someone who I won’t name leads the discussion down a completely useless path that adds absolutely nothing to the game and I just gave up. Call me tilted or bad, I’m honestly just annoyed.

call them out

agreeing with seroja and trundle in that i don't think kat was town-aligned. i get that we were all expecting her to flip one way or the other (i.e. none of us predicted a janitor role) but the fact that her death didn't reveal an alignment doesn't negate the half-hearted and anti-town way she was playing up until she got lynched.

with the knowledge that kat wouldn’t flip, would you have still voted for kat or would you have voted for someone different and if so who?

that's why i criticised the exercise, role names clearly are not alignment indicative as stated by toads in the first post, and i saw it as a useless distraction and conversation diversion because everyone was just going to claim green

this still doesn’t really explain why you claimed. why bother giving into an idea that you found was not helpful?

 

[DinoTown]

is this for my slots actions as volt or from what i’ve done. and is this for me and trundle being teamed or individually suspicious

From Volt's actions, and individually suspicious, although I should point out Volt swapping in for you has made me more wary - currently I was very certain I would be voting for your slot, but you and Volt obviously are different and I'm starting to think Volt might just have been struggling with the game a little (they had to swap out, so struggling a lot, I guess).
I think you and Trundle would probably do well if you were teamed together because you do seem to know each other well, but by no means are either of you my top vote for probable mafia teams - I just think it's a possible combo, and one that would likely do well if it was the case.

 

[Damniel]

i mean in the last game the only person to replace out was a mason which you can argue is one of the more ideal roles to get as a new player (being easily confirmed town with an experienced partner). lots of people of both alignments have also replaced out when they decided they couldn’t handle the heat. a lot of new players have also gotten scum their first game (Harbor comes to mind in recent memory) and handled the pressure really well

geo earlier claimed that volt likely got a scum role and decided to replace out to not have to deal with being maf, but i find that a poor reason when it goes either way

 

[toadsworthy]

Also forgot to mention this, but my niece is supposed to be born today.... I may be a little distracted throughout the day but I should be home and settled before 7pm

 

[epona]

is this for my slots actions as volt or from what i’ve done. and is this for me and trundle being teamed or individually suspicious



call them out



with the knowledge that kat wouldn’t flip, would you have still voted for kat or would you have voted for someone different and if so who?


this still doesn’t really explain why you claimed. why bother giving into an idea that you found was not helpful?

i wanted to lynch volt and was fairly resolute about that but the more reluctant kat was to defend herself or give pretty much any reason why we shouldn't lynch her, the more anti-town she felt and also the more stubborn it felt to lynch someone else (potentially mislynching) when kat clearly had very little interest in making substantial contributions and there was already a wagon started to lynch her. that said, with a mislynch being statistically likely at EoD d1, i think usually the most valuable thing about a d1 lynch is the information about other players' alignments that can be gleaned from the flip and then looking at the voting pattern. if i'd known that kat wouldn't flip, i would have pressed harder to lynch volt so that we could at least get some proactive info regardless of the flip


re: the roleclaim, i claimed to show how pointless and time-wasting an exercise the role name analysis was. hence 'i'm Ideonella Sakaiensis, does that make anything clearer? no'

again, didn't realise that bolding green was specific to vanilla townie when roleclaiming (just thought it meant a town-aligned role) so i was trying to prove that role names were giving us absolutely no information, and that theoretically anybody could just take their role name and bold it green and we'd still be none the wiser about it

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Also forgot to mention this, but my niece is supposed to be born today.... I may be a little distracted throughout the day but I should be home and settled before 7pm

congrats! my niece was born two months ago and i haven't met her because of covid but that's so exciting!!!!! sending good vibes 4 everything to go smoothly

(also re: pronouns ty for clarifying i always just err on the side of caution)

 

[Ace Marvel]

Also forgot to mention this, but my niece is supposed to be born today.... I may be a little distracted throughout the day but I should be home and settled before 7pm

Congrats! Babies are bundles of joy, and at this times, we need that! happy for you!

Good morning everyone!

 

[DinoTown]

Also forgot to mention this, but my niece is supposed to be born today.... I may be a little distracted throughout the day but I should be home and settled before 7pm

Wow, congrats, that's awesome! These past few days have certainly been busy for you lol

 

[toadsworthy]

Wow, congrats, that's awesome! These past few days have certainly been busy for you lol

hahahha yeah, and of course on top of that I volunteer to host mafia lol. But all seems to be going well on all fronts and I appreciate you all being cordial so far for this game! Please keep it up as we continue I also reached out to tina to point out this so don’t prove me wrong you all lol!

 

[Damniel]

[read the rest of the game, fully caught up. Here's my comments:

Spoiler: even more quotes

One thing is for sure..at least one scum is in these people..
Trundle
Seroja
Geoni
Antonio
Dinotown
Arstotzkan (Kat)

Because what is a possibility of an all newbie scum team?

Bianca if you had to vote someone who has posted on this current page who would you choose and why?

i don't think bianca ever answered this fyi

i don't think i was ganging up on dinotown, i just find her incessant focus on talking about herself and her mannerisms tiresome and counter-productive. at first i found it suspicious and i pressed on that; i'm still not townleaning on her at all but as the discussion has moved on and we've explored other avenues it's taken a backseat for me. not against re-visiting it though. i disagree with you saying the newbie card isn't being played

i never said you were scum, i explicitly said that i'm not scumreading you right now. there's no conclusive list of what indicates scumminess and what doesn't, and i don't think it's good enough to be asking other players to validate your reads for you before you come out and say them. if you played so well in the last game, be more confident about how you feel / what is striking you as off now

what're your thoughts on dino now?

I would vote for any within (DinoTown, epona, Arstotzkan, voltairenism) today, which is a big range I will likely narrow down. I think there could potentially be 2 mafia in that list.

which two could be teamed and why? also here trundle notes sus on volt but doesn't try to bring it up as another lynch option aside from kat

No scumleans yet because honestly nobody stood out as scum so far. I don’t like scumleaning peeps without suspicions .

do you have scum leans now? if you till think kat wasn't town, who could she be teamed with?

Well, as you know I think you are mafia so I think epona is the town and you are the mafia from my current point of view. However if you were to flip town I would have some heavy suspicions on epona.

I mean you exactly made my point. If you are town and epona is mafia, epona exactly fits into the category you just described.

honestly a bit weird to just bunch the two together. also trundle doesn't really further pursue this thought

i think seroja's comments about arstozkhan effectively coaching teddy in the thread are interesting. as above, i don't think she'd be that blatant because tunnelling in on teddy was pretty noticeable, but at the same time there are a lot of newer players in this game and she wasn't honing in on anybody else's prior experience so it does seem a bit random. i'm still very doubtful that it's a teddy/arstozkhan team tho lol

i don't really find kat's questioning of teddy's play style to be unusual. teddy made some very off claims like trusting everyone before suspecting them and staying reserved for the long run, and I think any experienced player like kat (and even me) would've called him out on that

currently, i think the only person i'm actually comfortable with lynching is voltairenism. their contribution has been lacklustre at best and it still comes off as coasting to me. i know i'm flitting back and forth on this one a bit, but i think it's a fairly big possibility they're a less confident portion of a scumteam doing the bare minimum to come across as active and pro-town

its odd you single out volt while players like bell and bianca arguably had even less of a presence at this point

After having looked over the Teddy+Kat convo again, it certainly seems weird to me and I'd be fairly confident in saying either one is mafia, but I'm a little wary on which way it actually would go. Kat seems bad for going on for way too long and asking so many questions, but Teddy's answers aren't looking the best either. I think it might be better to just keep an eye out for now.

dino shouldn't really mention teddy much after this. what're your thoughts on him now?

I'm just saying I see the logic in it as it stands. I'm not offering a defense because the criticism is valid, and I'm not just gonna sit here and be like "yall should lynch not me" because that's stupid and unhelpful, and if I'm gonna say that, I better have someone in mind. And... I don't.

very flawed logic here. kat never really pushes the possibility for another lynch. while saying "don't lynch me im down" is a bad defense, she could've tried to bring up another counterwagon. i don't know why shed let a mislynch on her happen so easily if she's town unless she gave up for personal reasons. even then she should called for a replacement if she didn't want to play the game. super out of character when she even said how excited shed be

So I think Antonio is mafia, so that's why I say that, when they decided on their night action, if I am mafia as they think I am, they will find out during this cycle. In werewolves you awake at night when you are one, that's where my phrase comes from.

Antonio is scum, said that since they said I was mafia, so if they really believe I'm on their team, they will find out during the night cycle, because we will be "awake".

what're your thoughts on antonio now? again you don't really bring up your sus on antonio and kinda just vote kat for no real clear reason

i'm just writing this off as a townslip for now lmao

i wouldn't be so quick to believe a township

since I believe you are scum and you believe I'm scum. So yes I used the wrong words there, but if that puts me on the towns list I'll take it.

why are you okay with someone you sus town reading you? you should be worrying about being townread and be further pushing antonio. this post feels really off to me

Yes, I am a bit butthurt btw, because I still think no one is talking about mayorleaf and their unreasonable sus about everything and everyone and just making a fuss. Maybe I don't agree with their voting to get reactions, they strat just seem all over the place and not making any concrete arguments. Dinotown defensive stance is weird and I think we are not getting anywhere with questioning Teddy's wording. It's quite the safe bet for an attack, tbh. And I understand Teddy's struggle of not being a native english speaker and having an weird disconnect persona, but I'm hoping I'm not bringing him down with me.

volt never gives into the kat wagon and states that he wants to pursue others (particularly mayorleaf and why). because he was new (and overwhelmed) and scumread by a few people, i doubt he alone could've led a counter wagon for mayorleaf. it was pretty townie behavior imo and he seemed to have been trying his best

ok im trying to give you my impression. you know i am so bad at day 1 reads!

already a bad beginning, she's already downplaying her reads

1. bell accont- hmmm..I've seen them makes posts but it didn't leave impression on me. Could be scum
2. mayor leaf- she reminds me of me when she voted early on. she seems townish but scum could be lurking underneath
3. seroja- Seroja will always appear towny to me unless- something happens that will make me suss of her. nothing yet so far but I am putting her as null because that's just me- paranoid
4. voltairenism- his posts seems random and just all over the place.

bianca (kinda?) susses these people but never pushes any of them and votes for mayorleaf when in this reads posts its unclear why she preferred her over the others

I'm still not entirely convinced I wanna vote Kat. Given Teddy's recent posts, I am feeling it's more likely that Kat/Teddy is maf/town then town/maf but I still don't think I've seen enough to vote yet. Of course, they can both post before EoD and that content might change my mind.

dino ultimate joins the kat wagon even though she was hesitant to because of her role name? why didn't she bring up the possibility for a teddy lynch when it seems she had stronger feelings on him

Before we decide on a lynch, we have to decide what kind of information would the lynch provide because if the lynch doesn't provide much information, what's the point of lynching? I understand voting who you think is scum but we are in still in the early phrase of the game so we have a pretty big chance of voting off someone who is town.

this point subtly implies that no lynching could've been a valid option, but doesn't again bring up that possibility and votes over a role name

You called me out for using meta and then you used meta. Isn't that hypocritical?

However, I still believe we should not incorporate meta this early in the phase. My question still stands regarding who you voting for.

haven't you said in many games that meta means nothing? it seems you're okay with it being used later on

Voting for Volt, in the grand scheme of things, likely wouldn't do much. I don't see many people coming to Volt's defense, actually, more likely my vote being the start of a wagon (assuming I'd be the first vote, given there currently are no votes for Volt.) considering what people have said about being okay to vote Volt. Maybe not a wagon big enough to cause a lynch with the Kat wagon to play, but still. Who voted Volt would be useful if a lynch did happen and Volt flipped town - especially if anyone chose to vote Volt because they didn't want to vote Kat (maf buddies trying to protect?). If Volt was lynched and flipped red, however, I'm not sure if I'd be able to pinpoint any notable interactions between other players as to who might be teamed up, since, like I said, no-one really seems to be particularly sided with Volt for much. If there was no lynch on Volt, I think who voted the same as me wouldn't be useful information until later into the game.

again, dino shows to have stronger feelings on volt and teddy, but ends up coping out to the kat wagon. she doesn't try hard to actually get volt lynched and i think they could've if there was a strong push for it

Being Donald Trump means nothing since it's not like "I'm Jester" or "I'm vanilla town" or something like that, you're claiming a name, not a role, not any abilities.

ok here i realized she actually didn't know green meant VT ill give her that. still feels pointless to bold your name in a color if you weren't claiming a role

If anything, how does Donald Trump fit compare to all the other role claims?

I'm a Red Billed Oxpecker but I don't know how that matches up to Donald Trump of all things.

of all the current claimed names, your name makes the least amount of sense with the theme. with your reasoning, you're more likely to be non town than kat's name was. I don't care about role names but im pointing out that you trying to find a theme is pointless

does that make anything any clearer? no
this roleclaiming is not helping us at all and is literally just distracting us from choosing who to lynch, which we need to do in the next two hours.

wait a minute, why is everyone telling their role names now? for what reason? the fact that Kat could just came in, drop her role name and bail out isn't convincing me that she's trying to save herself at all and that is not very protown. I'm inclined to think that she's scum and isn't going to even try.

crews for epona, seroja, and mayorleaf for recognizing how weak the role name theme logic is. i guess epona didn't know the meaning of using the color green, but i can see why shed claim her role name to prove a point

Yes, right now I think I'll be voting Kat and we can deal with Volt tomorrow

dino is actually super wishy washy for a lot of this day. a quick jump to kat and forgets teddy and volt

that's what puts me off thinking kat is town. i'm trying to think of a situation where donald trump is town and it's not too far a stretch since he recently told his constituents to think about putting disinfectants in their lungs.

i'm just playing a lil bit of devil's advocate but tbh i dont think she's maf.

while mayorleaf says before that role names aren't important, she entertains the idea that Donald Trump could not be town. I don't see the point in doing this

let me tell you if she's a special role that is town-sided she would never do what she did- not even trying to defend herself. Kat is one of the best mafia players here (my opinion) and her last post didn't sit right with me.

seroja is consistent with this stance on kat and it makes sense

I'm not going to push indefinitely. I will be voting for Volt D2

odd that you're already set on voting for another player when D1 and N1 flips could've happened to change the dynamics of the game. this seems to be planting a seed that dino would be pursuing volt D2 and could continue to tunnel instead of rethinking players

I can’t believe this day is ending in role name analysis. It’s such a worthless distraction to town.

its good that trundle acknowledges this but never really tries to steer town away from the distraction

I get that people have worries about the whole role name idea, but if we are being honest, now this idea has been brought up, it's going to linger until it's resolved. The best way, at least in my opinion, of handling this now that it's started is to let it play out and be proven incorrect. I certainly won't bother with it again if it's shown to be weak or incorrect. I doubt Antonio will either.

it doesn't need to "linger". voting for someone due to behavior would've been much better than to "prove a theme" not sure if you even read toads OP at this point because if you did im not sure why you'd continue to pursue this

i am discrediting the argument because i agree with trundle that role names are just a distraction for town because it literally says in TOAD'S OP POST that determining alignment based on role names is dissuaded

epona is the first one to bring up toads OP which is good evidence to try to stop the pointless theme conversation

Sadly I don't think the voting patterns here are going to give us much information. If Kat flips mafia there isn't much to go off because what I presume to be two town (Geoni and myself) started the wagon in the first place and mafia didn't have much room to deviate. If Kat is town then it's obviously an easy pile to hide in for the mafia.

again, trundle states a sort of uncomfortableness with the lack of a strong counterwagon as it wouldn't provide much info regarding voting patterns but he doesn't try to bring up a counterwagon of his other 3 scumreads

TDLR: I still think Antonio is scum, Trundle gets towncred when he's never really pushing a wagon he claimed to have started or brings up a counter wagon when he states he doesn't like the almost universal kat lynch. While kat was the only viable wagon during Day, i get from reading that people were also fine with lynching volt. before i entered the game, i saw volt as more town and don't really see why he was so scumread. but even still, the fact that no one strongly pushed for volt as a counterwagon and just gave into Kat's wagon because of role names (when it was continually brought up that role names are a poor reason) doesn't sit well with me at all. I stand in my belief that maf knew Kat wouldn't flip, and preferred to stay dog piled onto kat as they knew no one could be blamed participating in a mislynch/not voting for a maf lynch. the only people who stated strong reasons to vote kat (mainly her seemingly giving up) were geoni trundle and seroja. the others should've honestly voted for volt bc their stated reasons for a sus on volt was stronger than lynching over a role name. i think volt didn't become a wagon, because maf would rather go on a lynch that wouldn't incriminate anyone. for those that suspected volt, why didn't you push harder for their lynch? didn't it seem off that it was just agreed that kat would be lynched?

Seroja has been the most consistent and logical person so far so she's my strongest town read atm. ive yet to really engage with geoni's posts yet but from his play style im leaning towards town, but its not strong until i see where his scum hunting leads us.

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i’ll post my full reads list at the very end of night (seemed to had gone well last game xoxoxo) but i primarily want to hear from antonio about everything i’ve brought onto him and the other questions i raised to everyone else

 

[DinoTown]

@Damniel my current thoughts on Teddy are they Teddy, while the playstyle is not very helpful, is quite probably town. I still think that Kat and Teddy would not be aligned with each other, and since Kat was maf/third party, that puts Teddy as town to me, as least for now.

In reference to why I didn't vote for Teddy over Kat - because more was said. I did (and still do) believe that Kat and Teddy were not aligned, as I said, and after more was said, I decided it was more likely that Kat was the mafia and Teddy was the town. So I chose to vote for the one I thought was mafia.

I didn't "forget Teddy and Volt". I don't currently want to lynch Teddy. I, at the time, thought Kat would be a more useful lynch than Volt. I placed my vote where I had decided it would be best to, I didn't "forget" anyone.

I have already told you that Volt's swapping out has made me reconsider the voting of that slot, because I'm not longer sure if the behaviour was funky because they were mafia or because they were struggling with the game (or both).

I didn't vote Kat solely for the name thing, I had stated before all that that I had decided Kat would be the best option to vote for because that lynch would gain the most information. On top of that, giving up on defense and generally being anti-town. It doesn't matter that we didn't actually gain information, because everyone except the mafia were under the impression that Kat would flip and we WOULD get information.

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since *I think that Kat was mafia/third party.

I really hate this thing that the site does where you can be typing and change page to check something and sometimes it just deletes the last part of what you were typing. Not all of it, just the last few words

 

[Biancasbotique]

I don't like the wagon, and I don't like MayorLeaf and Voltaire voting each other off (sniff sniff).. As for me, I will unvote and vote either MayorLeaf and Voltaire.

Kat seems uncaring and knowing that she is a veteran, I don't think she will just let her mafia team down if she is mafia by just carelessly not voting and letting herself be lynched day 1.

This is my justification for voting Mayorleaf and you ...It is interchangeable..something about you (volt/Daniel) and Mayorleaf doesn't quite sit right with me.

 

[DinoTown]

Voting for Volt, in the grand scheme of things, likely wouldn't do much. I don't see many people coming to Volt's defense, actually, more likely my vote being the start of a wagon (assuming I'd be the first vote, given there currently are no votes for Volt.) considering what people have said about being okay to vote Volt. Maybe not a wagon big enough to cause a lynch with the Kat wagon to play, but still. Who voted Volt would be useful if a lynch did happen and Volt flipped town - especially if anyone chose to vote Volt because they didn't want to vote Kat (maf buddies trying to protect?). If Volt was lynched and flipped red, however, I'm not sure if I'd be able to pinpoint any notable interactions between other players as to who might be teamed up, since, like I said, no-one really seems to be particularly sided with Volt for much. If there was no lynch on Volt, I think who voted the same as me wouldn't be useful information until later into the game.

On the other hand, placing a vote for Kat is more likely to actually have a lynch at the end of it, considering that wagon has already started. If Kat flipped town, I think I would certainly need to give Teddy a good look. Some have mentioned that Teddy+Kat looks town/town but I am more convinced that it's two different sides there, at least currently. Teddy's reaction to a Kat lynch would, of course, be helpful in making this judgement. Similar with Geoni. If Kat flipped red, I think it would be much easier to pick out or rule out potential partners since Kat has been interacting with the rest of the player base significantly more than Volt has.

Here's that quote for Damniel just so he can see that I had decided Kat would be a better lynch before the name thing had even started.

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Post #341, since it doesn't have a timestamp or anything in the quote

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Kat claimed #346, to save you having to go hunting

 

[epona]

@Damniel my current thoughts on Teddy are they Teddy, while the playstyle is not very helpful, is quite probably town. I still think that Kat and Teddy would not be aligned with each other, and since Kat was maf/third party, that puts Teddy as town to me, as least for now.

In reference to why I didn't vote for Teddy over Kat - because more was said. I did (and still do) believe that Kat and Teddy were not aligned, as I said, and after more was said, I decided it was more likely that Kat was the mafia and Teddy was the town. So I chose to vote for the one I thought was mafia.

I didn't "forget Teddy and Volt". I don't currently want to lynch Teddy. I, at the time, thought Kat would be a more useful lynch than Volt. I placed my vote where I had decided it would be best to, I didn't "forget" anyone.

I have already told you that Volt's swapping out has made me reconsider the voting of that slot, because I'm not longer sure if the behaviour was funky because they were mafia or because they were struggling with the game (or both).

I didn't vote Kat solely for the name thing, I had stated before all that that I had decided Kat would be the best option to vote for because that lynch would gain the most information. On top of that, giving up on defense and generally being anti-town. It doesn't matter that we didn't actually gain information, because everyone except the mafia were under the impression that Kat would flip and we WOULD get information.

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since *I think that Kat was mafia/third party.

I really hate this thing that the site does where you can be typing and change page to check something and sometimes it just deletes the last part of what you were typing. Not all of it, just the last few words

i know you explained the first bolded bit was a typo but it still feels like a slip

and why are you acting like the second bolded bit is confirmed? that's literally just one theory that's been put forward

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Daniel i'll reply to your post now give me a second

 

[Damniel]

This is my justification for voting Mayorleaf and you ...It is interchangeable..something about you (volt/Daniel) and Mayorleaf doesn't quite sit right with me.

it view both of us as equally doesn't make much sense. if mayorleaf and i aren't teamed together, the who's more likely to be scum and town? its an overall weak and vague read when you can't really distinguish the two and though they're different

Here's that quote for Damniel just so he can see that I had decided Kat would be a better lynch before the name thing had even started.

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Post #341, since it doesn't have a timestamp or anything in the quote

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Kat claimed #346, to save you having to go hunting

if Kat had flipped town/maf, what information would've been gained? most people voted for her, so voting patterns wouldn't be that helpful. your idea that seeing what the role name would flip is pointless. and kat hadn'tt interacted with many people save teddy. she was actually pretty reserved. so if kat is maf, who are her teammates? if kat is town, what does that prove given that she was the only strong wagon? think of either scenario and tell me what information you would've gone out from the flip

why do you think lynching volt wouldn't have provided as much information as kat? volt was engaging with quite a few players

 

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@Damniel who are the posters on that page?

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it view both of us as equally doesn't make much sense. if mayorleaf and i aren't teamed together, the who's more likely to be scum and town? its an overall weak and vague read when you can't really distinguish the two and though they're different

okay i gotta be transparent i flipped a coin online..mayor is head, you tail. its heads lol...i gotta vote one of you..i would vote both of you if i could.