Mafia TBT Mafia II: Mafia Strike Back [Game Over/Mafia Win]

[Superpenguin]

Doesn't anyone else remember these two pieces of information? Let's not forget what we're doing here. beary509 is just new and screams innocent to me, and 3DSfan134, I just don't know.
Look at SuperPenguin's post. Laurina was making points against ITookYourWaffles, and Laurina died. Is ITookYourWaffles mafia? Either way, ITookYourWaffles has contributed very little to the town. They make very short, and worthless posts, and I've seen one post so far where he/she put up 3DSfan134's post count, which is really the only thing he/she has done useful at all. So the question is, why would Laurina be lynched otherwise? If ITookYourWaffles is a townie, the mafia would have no reason to kill her, and if ITookYourWaffles is mafia, that brings all the reason to it. ITookYourWaffles has also tried several times to bring the topic to something else, or put the blame on something else, even once or twice by random topic switching.

I decided I would just go ahead and vote for ITookYourWaffles right now because of how Laurina had suspicions against him and how contentless his posts are. Hopefully a few votes will get him talking. And if what Farobi said is true, the only way ITYW actually knew Dolby was Town at that time was if ITYW is mafia. If he did somehow know Dolby was Town, why did he not speak up before the lynch then?

Other post by Laurina during the time we were deciding the Day 1 Lynch:

I gave suspicion on Waffles with my post on her voting patterns here:
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...-Strike-Back&p=1990997&viewfull=1#post1990997

She's also more of a lurker than a poster. I've mentioned her twice and she hasn't said anything about it but she has posted things after I made my post that were unrelated, First time I mentioned her she later posted about how many votes Justin and Kayla had. And she recently posted about Karla being a guy.

Laurina actually was somewhat trying to bring ITYW into the light of suspicion. She was just unable to because everyone was so caught up on Beary and Dolby. I believe she was the only one to bring in a different name.

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Oh, yes, and my thoughts on beary:
She seems like a newbie player who is just trying to participate in the game by posting. I don't suspect her of mafia, but she definitely is not an asset to the town. Though, we shouldn't just lynch her because she is a nuisance.

 

[Farobi]

Actually if you hadn't noticed, Waffles's posts in Mafia are contentless because she's a newbie as well, and didn't really follow the old Mafia round. She does try to show effort in her posts, but can't really explain thoroughly because of her grammar problems. Her voting pattern may seem odd, but it doesn't scream "mafia" in my eyes, more like she's trying to get rid off the suspicion (which she failed at miserably ). She's offline right now, but I'll ask her to come to this thread ASAP if she gets more suspicion, cause that would be a problem. I can't roleclaim for her though.

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I hope this does not look like the case of mafia protecting mafia. Because I assure you it's not, in fact it's the opposite.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

My thoughts on the supposed lynchees:

Beary: I'm not sure about this one. It seems like most of you are willingly admit that she's likely just a dumb town member. I understand that bad town members are bad for us, but shouldn't we be trying to lynch someone who we honestly believe to be mafia instead? It feels like a waste of a lynch for us to go after someone we all know in the back of our heads is probably just "dummy not scummy~♪".

3DSFan: Feeling like this is the better choice of the two. But that's not saying a lot, this isn't a presidential election, there's more than two choices guys. I understand that posting a lot or a little isn't a reason to lynch someone, but 3DSfan is an especially bad case. You guys have pointed out that he has only 3 posts... but do you realize that all three of those posts were before the game started? He hasn't made a single post after the signups ended. Yet, he isn't modkilled. Why is that you might ask? Because he still voted. And that's it. The very minimum to avoid getting modkilled. This is exactly what some of you have been talking about, the whole silent voting without saying anything, but taken to the extreme of zero posts. On the other hand though, see my words about Beary, this can easily just be dumb townie as well.

Food for thought folks! Sorry if I rambled a bit much.

No I'm glad. However I would like to point out on Beary that while it may be a wasteful lynch, it's a matter of when do we cross that bridge? Now while we still have plenty of town or later, when things are getting down to the wire. Or are we hoping that someone will off Beary? It's a nasty game, but I offered up Beary as I'd rather not wait until the point of no return.

As for 3DSfan, even some of the other lurkers contributed a post or two after voting. I see no reason why he couldn't do so as well. Horus, who was under the gun, even contributes a bit when necessary. Pointing him out and then dragging him back into the game is something I hoped to do with this, especially if he is scum.

Actually Waffles and I were talking about this Mafia game on Steam and she claimed she knew how Dolby wasn't mafia before the lynch (perhaps because that's how she would act under pressure?)—i guess she just wanted the consensus because she was legitimately curious.

And I have to sleep soon so I have to vote early (idek how to vote @.@).

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So can we assume Waffles is mafia? Unless Waffles was in talks with Dolby before his death (when it seemed to be a split between them and Beary still), how would they know?


If we can get a more solid bead on scum, then I gladly change my vote from Beary to the new target.

 

[iLoveYou]

If it's going to come down to Beary509 and iTookYourWaffles, then I will vote to lynch iTookYourWaffles. We need to be aiming to hunt down for potential Mafia members and not waste our day lynches on the players playing poorly. The arguments being made against iTookYourWaffles is looking much stronger than the arguments made against Beary509.

 

[BlueLeaf]

I'm back. Looks like everyone is shuffling between ITookYourWaffles and beary. Waffles changed the topic to Dolby not too long ago, and beary just keeps digging her own grave. I don't think myself that they're suspicious, more like they're makingthemselves suspicious. I'll probably reconsider about beary and vote for Waffles. Beary doesn't scream mafia to me, just inexperienced and keeps slipping up. Waffles is suspicious - Laurina died after suspecting her. We should consider questioning Waffles or something before moving on though.

 

[Superpenguin]

Actually if you hadn't noticed, Waffles's posts in Mafia are contentless because she's a newbie as well, and didn't really follow the old Mafia round. She does try to show effort in her posts, but can't really explain thoroughly because of her grammar problems. Her voting pattern may seem odd, but it doesn't scream "mafia" in my eyes, more like she's trying to get rid off the suspicion (which she failed at miserably ). She's offline right now, but I'll ask her to come to this thread ASAP if she gets more suspicion, cause that would be a problem. I can't roleclaim for her though.

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I hope this does not look like the case of mafia protecting mafia. Because I assure you it's not, in fact it's the opposite.

I know that you and waffles are probably really good friends and probably traded roles with each other. But keep in mind this game is not to be taken personally. Put your personal friendships aside and play the game. Newbi or not, you can make quality posts. Laurina for instance was new, she made quality posts enough to where the mafia wanted her dead.

 

[Beary]

I vote to lynch ITookYourWaffles.
Done.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I vote to lynch ITookYourWaffles.
Done.

You need to vote in the Voting Thread.

 

[oath2order]

Well, I think I'll vote for beary. You're jumping on the bandwagon of Waffles, giving no reasons for your vote.

 

[BellGreen]

I don't think beary509 will be so important later on so I feel like we should focus on the more suspicious players rather than the ones who just play poorly.
ITookYourWaffles has strange voting patterns, probably to help out a mafioso assuming ITYW is as well. ITYW also hasn't been posting contributive stuff lately.

 

[FireNinja1]

I am voting for Waffles.

Beary is the easy vote. However, easy votes aren't the most strategic votes, and beary seems to just be a newbie. So I'm going with Waffles.

 

[VillageDweller]

This is probably just a shot in the dark, but I don't think either of them are Mafia. Nobody has brought up other names, and nobody has really said why neither of them are Mafia. The mafia themselves can see this and can just let everyone else vote for either of those 2, knowing full well that they both aren't Mafia.

But I agree on Waffles being more suspicious. If it comes down to anyone, I'll probably vote for her, Beary seems the more innocent of the two for me. But right now I don't think either of them are xP

 

[BlueLeaf]

In the meantime, I decided to cast my vote on Waffles. Even though beary is really inexperienced and contributes virtually nothing to the town, we shouldn't waste the lynch on someone who hardly contributes. I'm voting for Waffles because of Laurina's suspicions and death. The majority of the votes is in beary's favor though. I'd like to see either of these two defend themselves. So far, they're doing a bad job in defense. If they defend any better, I will reconsider my vote.

 

[FireNinja1]

I voted for Waffles because there is for evidence against them. Beary's just a newbie, and ITYW was suspected by LaurinaMN, and we all saw what happened to her. That can be easily excised by the cloak that the mafia wears early on, but the poor contribution... there's nothing to counter that.

 

[VillageDweller]

I voted for Waffles because there is for evidence against them. Beary's just a newbie, and ITYW was suspected by LaurinaMN, and we all saw what happened to her. That can be easily excised by the cloak that the mafia wears early on, but the poor contribution... there's nothing to counter that.

wow i actually completely forgot about that lol good point. Maybe I was wrong, but I'd like to think i'm still kinda right <3 xp

 

[iLoveYou]

Well I think another name I'd like to see posting is Pallycake. Pally who do you find suspicious in general? Not necessarily out of Beary509 or iTookYourWaffles.

I don't want to enter my vote in for iTookYourWaffles yet because although the arguments that are against her are pretty strong, Mafia could be trying to frame her. There were people like Hikari and Riley who started accusing people and just went silent once the Beary509 & ITookYourWaffles drama started. I am not accusing you both, rather calling you back out to post your thoughts.

 

[Superpenguin]

This is probably just a shot in the dark, but I don't think either of them are Mafia. Nobody has brought up other names, and nobody has really said why neither of them are Mafia. The mafia themselves can see this and can just let everyone else vote for either of those 2, knowing full well that they both aren't Mafia.

But I agree on Waffles being more suspicious. If it comes down to anyone, I'll probably vote for her, Beary seems the more innocent of the two for me. But right now I don't think either of them are xP

I agree with what you're saying. However, it is still too early in the day for anyone to really be sure of who is really going to be lynched. The mafia may have yet to see how this lynch is going and may feel that the vote will end up switching on its own without their intervention.

Another name that was brought up, but sort of died out is lynn. I still remain suspicious of her.

I still have suspicions toward Lynn and River. More so toward Lynn, though, since River has stated she was busy with school, but now that she is off for a little while, apparently she'll be more active, so we should give her some time to see how all that plays out.

I noticed no change in lynn's activity last game as opposed to this game. She was active in the mafia chat last game, so she does know what she is doing, and she views this thread often, so it can't always just be a "Quick Catch-up Read". I'm not saying I am going to vote for lynn or that we should even lynch her. This is just my suspicion.

Looking back at Laurina's posts, she was making arguments against ITookYourWaffles:


May also be a person to watch.

Wow this thread exploded really fast. I have a couple of pages to catch up on, but it seems like there are already 4 specific names up in the air.

If the town is in need of me to use my incarceration ability on anyone, please do speak up. I'm already somewhat considering it, although I won't be making this decision by myself this early in the game. I only get 3 times to incarcerate players, & not more than once per individual player. So that's something to think about too.

Lynn105:

Today you posted the following (one post only too):



Is there anyone in particular that stands out to you? That was literally the only post you made today & it was closer to the time when the deathly post by KarlaKGB was supposed to be made. =P I'd like to hear about who you are referring to when you say you are kinda suspicious of people. I assume you have them in mind? Who are they though? We can call them out & talk to them hopefully.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Well, I think I'll vote for beary. You're jumping on the bandwagon of Waffles, giving no reasons for your vote.

You say this and you don't give your reasons for voting for beary? Nice, man.

 

[Superpenguin]

You say this and you don't give your reasons for voting for beary? Nice, man.

I think his reasoning was just because of beary being a bandwagoner. When really, why wouldn't she want to vote for Waffles? At the moment, it's either Waffles or her.

 

[oath2order]

You say this and you don't give your reasons for voting for beary? Nice, man.

Someone doesn't read.

I think his reasoning was just because of beary being a bandwagoner. When really, why wouldn't she want to vote for Waffles? At the moment, it's either Waffles or her.

I thought you were asking why would I want to vote for Waffles. I thought you thought I was a woman >.>

To be honest, it was beary or 3DSfan, and honestly, beary is doing a much worse job of defending herself than 3DSfan, who hasn't done much. It's worse to do a ****ty job than to do no job, in my opinion.

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And yes, I do agree, that it's either beary or waffles, but beary isn't even trying to convince the rest of us to go the Waffles route.