Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

[VillageDweller]

While I suppose I understand why people wouldn't vote for KarlaKGB for Mayor/Sheriff because he may be mafia... it's not like there's a simple solution. If he doesn't seem to be delivering on his promises that he can do alone (I don't particularly count the good town atmosphere as that is a community thing and we all have to deliver on that ourselves) and there's enough suspicion/evidence, there is the option of lynching. As he has himself said, (let's assume Karla is Mafia for this) a Mafia in office isn't the end of the world, and some almighty thing. If he seems to turn bad, then lynch when the time would be right.

What I like best about Karla’s plan is that it can be implemented regardless of trust. For anyone who doesn’t trust Karla they can safely withhold their role from him without harming the advancement of town as long as they communicate well with the rest of us. Rather than doubting Karla, I think that if we do choose to follow the plan then our concerns should instead be in the sensibilities of the medics and their ability to discern who is worth protecting. I’m hoping we have some clever medics.

A good point here. His plan is still out there for us to use, and the elected isn't the total runner of the game, it's up to us ourselves to work together WITH his plan for it to go smoothly.

Mayor Speech​

If you vote for me as Mayor, I will try my best to help the town, such as pardoning bad bandwagon. (If I'm sheffif.) Also, I'm not gonna make promises I don't have control over, unlike Karla. For example, I can't keep the town from losing people, because the Mafia's going to strike, but I will try my best to look back at previous post and see why they were killed and then decide on who might of done it.

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So, basically, I'll try to the best of my ability to find out who the mafia is and lynch them.

Well, I was trying to give legitament promises, because, even when your mayor/sheriff, you can't stop the mafia from killing of players. I do promise I will do my best to find out who is mafia, however. And to analyze the post of the dead to see why they were targeted. I'm confident I'll be able to help the town, but I didn't want to give them false promises.

You seem.. extremely unsure of what you want to do. If you don't want to make promises, then don't bother trying to come across like you want to, but you don't?
And also, that's a positive to Karla's campaign that you just gave him: his promises you say he can't keep, he wants to deliver on by getting the town to work together to create the good town atmosphere he's mentioned. Also you say this: "For example, I can't keep the town from losing people, because the Mafia's going to strike, but I will try my best to look back at previous post and see why they were killed and then decide on who might of done it." When did KarlaKGB ever say he would keep the town from having the Mafia kill them? o:

 

[Elijo]

Vote Pally 4 mayor because I'm cooler than Karla!

Okay Pally. Give us three valid reasons why we should elect you. Being cooler than another candidate does not instantly make you the one that Town will vote for.

To Karla:
Your first argument on why you should be elected as mayor or sheriff isn't very strong... in my opinion. People are not going to vote for you if you put up excuses like this. Very well-put plan though.

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Karla, I don't feel like voting for you because you're desperate for protection. Could that possibly mean that you may perhaps be someone we want dead?

 

[Blu Rose]

Alright, I've been playing the new Xmas Dota gamemode, now taking a break to address this Blu Rose problem.


At this stage you've already determined someone who is a trustworthy town member? I'm disappointed that you're against me, with analytical skills like that we could wrap this game up in a day. What's with the lynn mention in there too? Your biggest indicator that I am Mafia so far seems to be I am trying to win the support of town and I'm providing believable arguments? You "think" my plan might be beneficial to Town? And to top it off, you want us to toss your suspicions aside? Mentioning you're a noob? How do you expect to convince people if you can't even convince yourself? Are you even trying to convince town? What are you attempting here?

I am not trying to convince people! How much do I have to stress that? Yes, I "think" your plan might be beneficial to Town.

All I got out of this post was "I'm sorry, I'm new, I'm not extremely sure". . .

That is all anybody was supposed to get...

Why are you apologising to me? Why do I deserve an apology? If I'm the scum like you're making me out to be, why do you have regrets about calling me out. I'm not promising anything above and beyond what any other town member should be doing. My post has been realistic about the problems facing Town this game. I've not promised an easy way to win. And once again, you lack any degree of conviction in your post. "Lynch me. I don't care. I could be screwing around." HOW DOES THIS HELP TOWN IN ANY WAY?

Well, according to you, I AM NOT HELPING THE TOWN BY SHARING MY SUSPICIONS! I KNOW I LACK CONVICT!

If it's way too early to be nailing down Mafia, why did you jump on my throat? You didn't attack any specific part of my post, it's just been you and your mysterious trusted friend who are convinced I'm shady but have zero solid evidence to show for it. Again, what's with the lynn mention? Why are you two holding hands here? It's Day 1. You know what you should do? Actively contribute. Not by posting garbage accusations with no proof and zero conviction. You think my plan's too good to be true? What do you suggest we do then?

I don't have a suggestion. I was just sharing my suspicions.

Again with the "I'm awful". I don't buy that bull. You are scum. You have contributed nothing. You are fos'ing people with no proof. You're not even sure of yourself. What do I see? A Mafia player overextending, trying to disrupt town planning at this stage, whilst trying to not to stand out by having no confidence in your posts whatsoever. And what better way to explain this than constantly bringing up the fact that you are new or a bad player. I've seen no pro-town motivation in any of your posts. You're going down.

Feel free to accuse me of being scum. You can lynch me. I am just sharing my suspicions, trying not to raise a flame war, or even kick you out of office. I can go down. According to you, I am apparently useless scum. I am aligned purely to the ground.

I am Blu Rose, and I approve of this message.

 

[KarlaKGB]

To Karla:
Your first argument on why you should be elected as mayor or sheriff isn't very strong... in my opinion. People are not going to vote for you if you put up excuses like this. Very well-put plan though.

Karla, I don't feel like voting for you because you're desperate for protection. Could that possibly mean that you may perhaps be someone we want dead?

Who are your top priority kills this game?

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I am not trying to convince people!

What ARE you trying to do then? What use are you?

 

[Elijo]

Who are your top priority kills this game?

Who I want to kill is Mafia; that is what the town is supposed to do, isn't it? There is exactly no one I want to lynch as of now but I'm keeping an eye on you.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Who I want to kill is Mafia; that is what the town is supposed to do, isn't it? There is exactly no one I want to lynch as of now but I'm keeping an eye on you.

Now let's say you were Mafia. Who would be on the top of your hitlist?

 

[Blu Rose]

That was for comedic effect.

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Okay. Last post was irrelevant. Anyways, you tell me to be of use to the town, and then say you are of no use to town! Make up your mind!

 

[KarlaKGB]

While I suppose I understand why people wouldn't vote for KarlaKGB for Mayor/Sheriff because he may be mafia... it's not like there's a simple solution.

This terrible logic has been plagueing the game for the past 21 hours and I'm getting sick of it and I expect better from a player like you. You could replace my name with any other player in this game and that statement should still hold true.

Nobody at all has proposed a better or different way of dealing with the uncertainty of the elected roles. Is that because you think the plan is the best one possible? Or do you just not have a clue? Because if it's the latter, it seems your solution is to refuse to elect the person that does have a clue.

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That was for comedic effect.

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Okay. Last post was irrelevant. Anyways, you tell me to be of use to the town, and then say you are of no use to town! Make up your mind!

What is wrong with what I just said?

Stating your "suspicions" based off nothing more than your chats with your mysterious friend (who isn't lynn, as you stress) and some awful logic (he sounds believable, he must be Mafia) is NOT contributing to town.

 

[Elijo]

Now let's say you were Mafia. Who would be on the top of your hitlist?

Medics, Detectives... Blue people! But obviously, I am not Mafia. You would know who is Mafia if you are Mafia.

 

[Keen]

So Karla wants to be an elected role.

This seems a little bit suspicious to me, just because I know he is a skilled player, and I know he knows how to play the game. But people have raised the right questions. Because chances are hes going to be at the top of the list to be killed by the mafia so Karla could be coming at the elected role from that angle.

I'd much rather see somebody who knows how to play the game, and will be active within the game than somebody who has little experience and little interest.

 

[Superpenguin]

Karla does make a really good point. We can lynch him whenever we want given he gives a good enough reason to do so. Karla is a strong player and is probably a top priority for the mafia to kill. Town sort of needs Karla to be protected with a mayoral role in order to best lead the rest of us. Even if he doesn't get the role, sure the medics could protect him, but we can't expect that to save Karla for more than a couple of days....which is why I feel an elected role would give him much more protection.

We don't have to give Karla(or anyone for that matter) any information we don't want to. Just because someone is elected doesn't mean they are anymore trustworthy than any other player. Whether a person gets elected or not, I am going to treat them like any other player. I made the mistake last game of being far too trusting of Kayla and I'd say that led to a couple misled lynches. :/

I am kind of torn between Trundle and Karla as to who to vote for at this point. I talked to Trundle through PMs last game, and he has great analyzing skills and seems to be a great and knowledgeable leader, so yeah, I could go either way at this point.

 

[Blu Rose]

Look, I am not trying to prove that you are Mafia, Karla! All I am doing--or rather, did--is sharing my suspicions. Apparently, that instantly makes me Mafia! If we used your logic, then a lot of people in past games would have been Mafia!

I repeat, hopefully for the last time, that I was only sharing my suspicions!

Oh, and, looking at the Tags List, somebody nailed my gender... Feel free to keep using the pronoun /she/ though!

 

[cannedcommunism]

I feel like I've repeated these points 2000000 times already.

I'm sorry, what? I was just pointing out flaws in your campaign. So now you're basically forcing me to vote for you. Gee, that REALLY makes me want to have you as a mayor. Just because you were the host the last 2 games doesn't mean you can get whatever you want. Aside from this, you and Hikari are my main candidates for mayor, but if you REALLY want me to vote for you, don't shove things like this down people's throats.

 

[Keen]

Can we remember Hikari's huge mistake from the first game?

Coming out to be as detective when I claimed to be the other detective without even thinking about it?
I don't want somebody like that for leading my town.

 

[Superpenguin]

I'm sorry, what? I was just pointing out flaws in your campaign. So now you're basically forcing me to vote for you. Gee, that REALLY makes me want to have you as a mayor. Just because you were the host the last 2 games doesn't mean you can get whatever you want. Aside from this, you and Hikari are my main candidates for mayor, but if you REALLY want me to vote for you, don't shove things like this down people's throats.

May I ask what is encouraging your vote toward Hikari? I really don't see any good mayoral qualities in him. His only point was that he was a mafia goon last game so apparently that means he knows the mafia's strategies this time around?
Well, the mafia surely is composed of different people this time around, thus different strategies as well. Plus, we all got to read the mafia chat at the end of the game, so we basically saw all their strategies as well.

And then he is scared to make promises. He just seems too weak. He doesn't make promises because he all ready knows he can't keep them. Not a mayor I want to have, sorry.

 

[cannedcommunism]

If we voted Karla, how would the illiterate feel?

Besides, I have major trust issues after last game when the Mayor was mafia, the Sheriff was mafia, the Munchkins were mafia, Dorthy was mafia, the Scarecrow was mafia, the Lion was mafia, the Dog was mafia, the monopoly guy was mafia, Dan was mafia, the FBI was mafia, the creators of MLP:FiM were mafia, Karla was mafia, Forest Gump was mafia, Jeremy was mafia, the statue of liberty was mafia, Simba was mafia, the whole state of Florida was mafia, Asia was mafia, Neptune was mafia, the universe was mafia, Ketchup was mafia, Atoms were mafia, Applejack was mafia, Yugi Muto was mafia, the god cards were mafia, Zezima was mafia, Mewtwo was mafia, Zeus was mafia, Percy Jackson was mafia, Kayla was mafia, Gravity was mafia, Bidoof was mafia, haters were mafia, the spy was mafia, the Simpsons were mafia, Paul Walker was mafia, Physics was mafia, Drugs were mafia, every Disney movie in the Disney Vault was mafia, Andy Samberg was mafia, my nails were mafia, AIDs was mafia, the Internet was mafia, Females were mafia, Cameras were mafia, H20 was mafia, the ground was mafia, the post button was mafia, the Copy and Paste buttons were mafia, Lelouch was mafia, Clifford was mafia, the Burger King from Burger King was mafia, God was mafia, people with brown eyes were mafia, Mexico was mafia, Penguins were mafia, Bill Gates was mafia, Little Bill was mafia, Capcom was mafia, Google was mafia, Naruto was mafia, Sakura was mafia, Easter was mafia, Russia was mafia, Aliens were mafia, the border was mafia, the woods was mafia, Foxes were mafia, Shrek was mafia, Doge was mafia, the dead were all mafia, electricity was mafia, batteries were mafia, Snapple was mafia, the Assassins from Assassin's creed were mafia, Allen Walker was mafia, Brock was mafia, your bed sheets were mafia, our Skype chat was mafia, Windows 8 is still mafia, mafia was mafia, Waldo was mafia, Waldo's evil twin was mafia, FDR was mafia, BLTs were mafia, and Lauren was mafia.

LOL, so true.

Anyways, I do think the best strategy in this game is to go your own way and trust nobody. Well, of course I was bodyguard of the corrupt last game, but still, that was my job, really. And the first game, I tried making an alliance with FireNinja1, but in the end, he was mafia. So I pretty much play the game by that principle.

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Can we remember Hikari's huge mistake from the first game?

Coming out to be as detective when I claimed to be the other detective without even thinking about it?
I don't want somebody like that for leading my town.

I pointed this out in my summary of him:

You made a HUGE screwup last game with your Miller role claim, and that just might be a disadvantage for you.

This is one of my problems with him, aside from the fact that he can't even promise to hold the town together. If you had read the original post, you'd know that he wasn't my star candidates. My problem with Karla now is that he keeps trying to almost force people to vote for him. Aside from this flaw, I'm currently going to cast my vote for him, but just remember, Karla, you better live up to all your promises. ALL OF THEM.

 

[Chris.]

All I am doing--or rather, did--is sharing my suspicions. Apparently, that instantly makes me Mafia!

I think the point that was trying to be made about them was that after every suspicion post you had, you ended it with saying that you see yourself as a noob and that we should just ignore you.

 

[Blu Rose]

You said it yourself, Karla, I can have my suspicions (Not quoted because Control+C and Control+V is much better):

"To reiterate: do NOT automatically trust the elected roles. Neither the Mayor nor Sheriff can guide the town to victory without being under suspicion. The existence of Framers, the Godfather and Millers add a large degree of doubt when verifying the alignment of the officials, but at least the officials can still be rolechecked in this game."

Even if you aren't elected yet, it still holds true.

Lastly, you put this in your post, then basically start saying, "Why don't you trust me, Blu Rose?" You also completely assumed I was Mafia. Gee, why should I trust you, especially on this behalf?

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I think the point that was trying to be made about them was that after every suspicion post you had, you ended it with saying that you see yourself as a noob and that we should just ignore you.

Well, I see your point, but I said you can ignore me, and maybe should. Just go along with Karla, if y'all want.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

We're nearing the 24 hour mark before voting, so as a friendly reminder I recommend you guys at least put down a placeholder vote for the time being.

Also don't forget about the three post rule. It's fine if you don't want to participate right now (during day), but that means you'll need two posts during Night 1. The rule is in place to give you all some idea on your fellow players, not because I'm a jerk.

 

[FireNinja1]

Why does it say in the Assassin description that nobody but the Assassins will know the number of assassins in the game, but clearly says on the OP that there are three assassins?

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We're nearing the 24 hour mark before voting, so as a friendly reminder I recommend you guys at least put down a placeholder vote for the time being.

Also don't forget about the three post rule. It's fine if you don't want to participate right now (during day), but that means you'll need two posts during Night 1. The rule is in place to give you all some idea on your fellow players, not because I'm a jerk.

I think it may just be that you are a jerk. lol jk

In game related things, Blu Rose, you're asking us to shun you, just so that you can kill us?