Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

[VillageDweller]

This terrible logic has been plagueing the game for the past 21 hours and I'm getting sick of it and I expect better from a player like you. You could replace my name with any other player in this game and that statement should still hold true.

Nobody at all has proposed a better or different way of dealing with the uncertainty of the elected roles. Is that because you think the plan is the best one possible? Or do you just not have a clue? Because if it's the latter, it seems your solution is to refuse to elect the person that does have a clue.

omf i am dumb I meant to type "It's not like there's not a simple solution/There's a simple solution" and that's why i talked about the lynching option :[ I meant that if you didn't deliver + enough suspicion/evidence we could just lynch you. (but as you said, this could apply to anyone who gets the elected role)
That wasn't what I wanted my post to come across as :[ I haven't said anything about refusing to elect you, I just haven't said anything about agreeing to vote for you too. Seeing as how you want an alternative I guess, I can give you one that may be a stretch:
Have the detectives (or assassins?) inspect the elected roles on consecutive days. This way we can eliminate any potential framing, e.g Mayor may have been framed - inspected and found to be Mafia Goon. Sheriff was inspected and found to be x role. Next day, do the same thing and see the result. If the Mayor is something different (i.e not mafia) then we know he was framed. Then as the Mafia Framer cannot frame the same person in a row, they may go for Sheriff (theoretically of course, they might not) and then as the Mayor and Sheriff would have turned up different roles, you can confirm that they are whatever role would not be Mafia Goon. It would probably be in the Mafia's best interest to fool around and frame the elected roles, as to trick the detectives/assassins into thinking their elected officials are Mafia, so I think this would be a good method.

Unfortunately this does not solve the issues of the Godfather, or if the elected official(s) is a Miller, fooling the detectives/assassins. But it at least solves the issue of the Framer, albeit a long-winded one. Because of this, I would especially like to reinforce the detectives (and assassins) to not roleclaim at all unless you completely trust someone that they aren't Mafia. This method is also kind of long-winded and may be viewed as a waste of detective hits, but it would at least confirm something about the elected officials.

 

[oath2order]

Guys, I'd like to nominate someone who I think is a good candidate for mayor. VillageDweller. Here was have a player with experience: He's been in both games, yet, never got to post much. Why is that? In game one, as a vigilante, he was killed by mafia on night one. In game two, as a paramedic, he was killed by mafia on night two. Now, am I the only one thinks that this says something about his character? It would appear to me that the mafia is afraid of his posts. VillageDweller makes good arguments in the short amount of time that he can. The mafia is afraid of him, because he knows what he's doing. Now, I mean nothing against Karla because we haven't seen his play style, but right now, I'm giving you guys a candidate that makes good points.

Karla, I have a question for you. Who would you like to be working with?

 

[Blu Rose]

In game related things, Blu Rose, you're asking us to shun you, just so that you can kill us?

I didn't know people were going along with Karla in saying that I am Mafia... *Sigh*
Karla would know I am not! Kidding, kidding...

I am a pureblood Townie. Anyone, feel free to differ, and/or kill me. It would only prove my point, along with Karla's accusations of being useless. I bet if I shifted my attention to almost anyone else, you all wouldn't be scolding me... And, yes, I do know it is rather early to have a role-reveal.

Now, I feel as if I've been given the title "Real-Life Miller." Not a good role to have.

Also, I don't want to start another flame war, but Karla is almost like Hitler: Unbelievably believed lies: blames all/some of the town's problems on an innocent party, and could end up being a great leader. I feel like a Jew, back in World War II... Please, don't start an argument off of this!

 

[Horus]

Mayor Applesauce right here folks.

Joking, a placeholder vote for right now

 

[Keen]

I wouldn't mind stepping up as an elected role, as I am a townie, and I do have a little bit of experience with this game. I know it probably won't happen but its worth a shot.

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

I'm torn between voting. Hikari can make mistakes and Karla is constantly getting angry with us on our suspicions.

Hikari, why won't you make promises?

Karla, you said yourself you shouldn't automatically trust someone. Why do you expect us to trust you right away?

 

[Horus]

I wouldn't mind stepping up as an elected role, as I am a townie, and I do have a little bit of experience with this game. I know it probably won't happen but its worth a shot.

I don't see why not. It scares me to think of Karla being a mafia mayor.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I'm sorry, what? I was just pointing out flaws in your campaign. So now you're basically forcing me to vote for you. Gee, that REALLY makes me want to have you as a mayor. Just because you were the host the last 2 games doesn't mean you can get whatever you want. Aside from this, you and Hikari are my main candidates for mayor, but if you REALLY want me to vote for you, don't shove things like this down people's throats.

The only "flaws" you appear to be pointing out are that my promises are not believable. Why are they not believable? What can I do to make them more believable?

Lastly, you put this in your post, then basically start saying, "Why don't you trust me, Blu Rose?" You also completely assumed I was Mafia. Gee, why should I trust you, especially on this behalf?

I'm done with you. I have set out my points on why you are anti-town (read: scummy) as hell. You think I'm assuming anyone who challenges me is Mafia? Go back and read through your posts. You might learn something about how you are appearing.

Karla, you said yourself you shouldn't automatically trust someone. Why do you expect us to trust you right away?

What is the alternative? Who else can you honestly say is more trustworthy than me at this stage?

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

What is the alternative? Who else can you honestly say is more trustworthy than me at this stage?

That just screamed Mafia. "Who is more trustworthy than me?" No one is. Including you. You have no proof of being Town, and you can easily pretend to be a part of us. This is why I can't vote yet.

 

[Superpenguin]

Seriously guys? Just because Tom came on to recommend voting even if it's just a placeholder doesn't mean you should all rush to go vote, especially since you all are just voting for yourselves. :/ That shows that you guys think you won't make it on in the next 24 hours and haven't made a clear decision on the best candidate yet.

Potential 35-way tie on its way. :/


Karla has given me enough reason to believe that he is at least pro-town for the time being and both needs and is suited for the role. Though, I know he wants the Sheriff role the most, so if he ends up going on the track of becoming mayor, I would have no issue switching my vote as Karla deserves the role he best suits and since Sheriff is a much more involved role, it is better suited for him.

I still don't fully 100% believe in his innocence, but it's not like he has given me any doubts. So as of now, I am voting for Karla!

 

[KarlaKGB]

. Seeing as how you want an alternative I guess, I can give you one that may be a stretch:
Have the detectives (or assassins?) inspect the elected roles on consecutive days. This way we can eliminate any potential framing, e.g Mayor may have been framed - inspected and found to be Mafia Goon. Sheriff was inspected and found to be x role. Next day, do the same thing and see the result. If the Mayor is something different (i.e not mafia) then we know he was framed. Then as the Mafia Framer cannot frame the same person in a row, they may go for Sheriff (theoretically of course, they might not) and then as the Mayor and Sheriff would have turned up different roles, you can confirm that they are whatever role would not be Mafia Goon. It would probably be in the Mafia's best interest to fool around and frame the elected roles, as to trick the detectives/assassins into thinking their elected officials are Mafia, so I think this would be a good method.

Unfortunately this does not solve the issues of the Godfather, or if the elected official(s) is a Miller, fooling the detectives/assassins. But it at least solves the issue of the Framer, albeit a long-winded one. Because of this, I would especially like to reinforce the detectives (and assassins) to not roleclaim at all unless you completely trust someone that they aren't Mafia. This method is also kind of long-winded and may be viewed as a waste of detective hits, but it would at least confirm something about the elected officials.

Thank you, finally we have a constructive post. The concept is decent, what I don't like about this idea is that it is tying up a detective over several days. Also, that detective needs to get their findings out in a safe and believable way. This fundamentally comes down to the DT already being in a circle, preferably with another confirmed innocent who can safely be the mouthpiece of the DT. An easier way around the Framers is not to inspect the elected roles very early on anyway. First, the Detective needs to find a circle he can work on and this will take time. There is honestly no pressing need to confirm the officials immediately, especially as they should be playing transparently and out in the open. Hopefully this can get the framers to waste a few nights as well.

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That just screamed Mafia. "Who is more trustworthy than me?" No one is. Including you. You have no proof of being Town, and you can easily pretend to be a part of us. This is why I can't vote yet.

You have answered my point exactly. People are citing the fact that I am untrustworthy as a reason why they do not want to vote for me. I am pointing out how that applies to everyone.

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Guys, I'd like to nominate someone who I think is a good candidate for mayor. VillageDweller. Here was have a player with experience: He's been in both games, yet, never got to post much. Why is that? In game one, as a vigilante, he was killed by mafia on night one. In game two, as a paramedic, he was killed by mafia on night two. Now, am I the only one thinks that this says something about his character? It would appear to me that the mafia is afraid of his posts. VillageDweller makes good arguments in the short amount of time that he can. The mafia is afraid of him, because he knows what he's doing. Now, I mean nothing against Karla because we haven't seen his play style, but right now, I'm giving you guys a candidate that makes good points.

Karla, I have a question for you. Who would you like to be working with?

Honestly I'm rather suspicious of why you're nominating him. Why hasn't he come out on his own saying he wants to be elected? I can completely understand why he would want protection from night kills, given he's died early in both games he's played.

Right now, I like the look of Trundle a lot.

 

[Hikari]

I'm gonna step down from running for Mayor, because I'll not as good as the three other candidates.

Anyways, right now I think Karla and Trundle would make the best team, but I'm still undesided.

 

[Hikari]

I'm gonna step down from running for Mayor, because I'll not as good as the three other candidates.

Anyways, right now I think Karla and Trundle would make the best team, but I'm still undesided.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Opps, double post.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Also, the reason why I couldn't really make any promises is because I'm not too good at this game. That's why I stepped down.

 

[Elijo]

See Karla, you have set your expectations up way too high! You're expecting us to trust you right away when it's only been 24 hours! Really, the only person I would vote for at the moment is Harry (VillageDweller). He seems to be the better candidate.

 

[KarlaKGB]

See Karla, you have set your expectations up way too high! You're expecting us to trust you right away when it's only been 24 hours! Really, the only person I would vote for at the moment is Harry (VillageDweller). He seems to be the better candidate.

Where have I said I want you to trust me. I said I want you to vote for me.

 

[BungoTheElf]

I think Karla is a good candidate though, I still want to wait for maybe a few other good choices to reason themselves before I vote since we have about a day left. I may post a place holder vote if I can't think on who to vote for later...

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

Where have I said I want you to trust me. I said I want you to vote for me.

In order to vote, you must trust the candidate. So technically, saying "vote for me" is more like "trust me to do these good things". That's basically why we vote. We want to elect someone who will do good things.

 

[oath2order]

Where have I said I want you to trust me. I said I want you to vote for me.

So, by asking this, you are drawing attention to the fact that you haven't said anything about wanting us to trust you, which is one of the core roles of being elected. You should have the trust of us. We should be able to trust that you will lead us in the right direction.

Right now, you sound like the American politicians of today. It looks like all you want to do is get elected.

- - - Post Merge - - -

On that note, of course, who all is officially running?

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

Karla and Trundle, I believe. They have officially began running, though I haven't heard much from Trundle.

 

[Laurina]

On that note, of course, who all is officially running?

Apparently, I don't exist, but I really am interested in becoming an elected role. I know my speech isn't as good as Karla's. And sure Karla and Trundle would make a good team, but right now we can't trust anyone. All I know is, I'm here for me and speaking for the town when I say I would like a chance at proving myself worthy of being something more.

My post/speech if anyone missed it.
http://www.belltreeforums.com/showt...re-Christmas&p=2052957&viewfull=1#post2052957