Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

i dont really get they he trusted kayla afterwards ?

Well, I can explain why I trusted Kayla afterward. Those three blues died the same night I shot Hugz. Kayla and I worked out that shot together and then she said that now she fully trusted me and that she would pardon me given the town rises against me. I just really trusted her after that and then when oath died next, I became oblivious to the fact that Kayla was claiming to be a Detective, a THIRD Detective. Even though we were saying how there was no way there could be three Veterans or two more vig shots left in play. But that was last game. :3

I know VD or someone mentioned earlier about me running for mayor. Yeah, I know I ran last time, but after the way I played last game, I saw that I am a bit too easily influenced by others, and I kind of lacked some analyzing skills and so I just think I won't make a good mayor this game. :/
 
You have questioned me near-constantly about my nomination.

If that's not an attack, then I don't know what is.
 
I'm torn between voting. Hikari can make mistakes and Karla is constantly getting angry with us on our suspicions.

Hikari, why won't you make promises?

Karla, you said yourself you shouldn't automatically trust someone. Why do you expect us to trust you right away?

Karla never said he expected that. You're obviously either can't read or can't think, so get yourself sorted before you play next game. Also, why aren't you considering me? The few posts I have made are good posts.

And another great example of someone who isn't analyzing/reading very well. Thanks for pointing these out.

Alright, everyone. Sorry that I was gone. It's my birthday and the party ended and now it's time for some posting (even though it's quite late now.)
First off, I wanted to say that I am willing to play in either position - mayor or sheriff. If you're planning on duoing Karla and I, I think giving me your votes and putting Karla as Sheriff would probably be the best idea.
Second, like the others, I do want this status as protection. Last game, I ended up a bodyguard for two scum. I was completely protected during the game because the scum didn't want me out, obviously. Unfortunately, all the blues died anyways. The game was quite poorly done on the towns part. I realize now that this game will not be like the last, so nothing is stopping the mafia from taking out good analyzers like me. In order for me to analyze, I need to be alive, obviously; therefore, I would like this protection.
Next, as a mayor or sheriff, I would be planning on working a lot with Karla with the analyzing. The best part of Karla's plan is that he is telling the blues not to roleclaim to them (for the most part). If he was mafia, this would be 100% counter-productive for him unless he's taking a huge long route of building trust, which I don't believe would be the case. Karla is an aggressive player, as you've seen already, and is trying to get things done efficient and well. I feel like I could aid in that through my analyzing and my mayoral/sheriff ability.
Finally, does anyone have questions? I feel like VillageDweller is gaining more votes than me at the moment (at the moment I have one vote, from Karla himself). I do understand that VillageDweller would make a fine mayor or sheriff but he really hasn't convinced me at this point. Karla and I have already PMed a little bit, and I think Karla is understanding how I'm thinking.
Here's what it comes down to: Do you want a team that works well together or are always at each other's backs? Clearly, if two people who don't understand the other's way of thinking and are always against each other are elected, this will create problems for the town. It will definitely impede the town's progress and probably create a bunch of unneeded suspicions through the town taking sides of their favorite candidate.
Again, any questions?
 
Yes, except last game, people actually called our Kayla at least, and the town didn't lynch her, people even threw shade on Justin and nothing happened. I'm just saying people should take a careful look at other people before casting their vote.

As for myself, I put it out there without taking it seriously as some other people in the game.
 
Karla seems to have everybody eating from the palm of his hand. It makes perfect sense for me that if he was mafia, he'd gun so hard for mayor or sheriff, and everyone is doing exactly what he wants them to do.

Did anybody learn from last game that the two who wanted the elected roles so bad were later found to be mafia?

I don't understand - do you think I would gun less hard if I was town? People are NOT doing exactly what I want them to do. I want people to be bringing up new ideas and plans to pressure and draw out the Mafia. Instead, people are continuing to go in a circle attempting to do the impossible - confirming election candidates are innocent.
 
Yeah, I am curious what you two are even PM'ing about? You obviously can't have full trust in each other yet, so what are you even discussing?
 
You have questioned me near-constantly about my nomination.

If that's not an attack, then I don't know what is.

I was questioning people why they were voting for VD because I felt as if I was missing important information on why he was so trustworthy. I'm sorry you got so offended but yeesh.
 
*directed at Trundle and Karla

We have only sent 2-3 PMs at the moment, Karla sent the first (living up to his PM interrogation stance, I believe)
We basically shared our first suspicions, and I understood where he was coming from, he understood and liked my points. Obviously, we're not going to share who our suspicions are yet (at least, I'm not until the lynching). I don't have full trust yet, but Karla's post is either a good town member wanting the town to actually win for once, or his own mafia doom (correct me if I'm wrong). Unless Karla is planning on sabotaging his own mafia and then getting everyone to put full trust in him and killing everyone else at end game, I think Karla is town. Obviously, I am up for rebuttals against my opinion on this.
 
Yeah, I am curious what you two are even PM'ing about? You obviously can't have full trust in each other yet, so what are you even discussing?

His thoughts on the thread and town so far. Any suspicions at this stage. You don't need to fully trust someone to discuss things with them. You can get a lot of information about a player's motivation and alignment from their PMs. You have to start a circle from somewhere, and it can be as simple as picking out two players who look pro-town and talking to them.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Unless Karla is planning on sabotaging his own mafia and then getting everyone to put full trust in him and killing everyone else at end game, I think Karla is town.

I don't want to inadvertently stop Mafia from making a terrible play, so I will just say that this is the last thing I would do as Mafia.
 
im leaning towards trundle!! but its his birthday so he probably wont post that much today, but i think he was pretty good last game. laurina is a good choice too yeah!!
maybe the town can try to make it so that karla gets sheriff and then trundle/laurina get mayor?

Thanks for the bit of support tsundere. With Karla and Trundle teaming up, I doubt I stand a chance. Didn't really stand a chance in the first place, but I thought I'd throw my name out there because I was genuine with everything I said. I'm going to hold off on making any discussions and hold off putting in my vote until sometime tomorrow afternoon.
 
Thanks for the bit of support tsundere. With Karla and Trundle teaming up, I doubt I stand a chance. Didn't really stand a chance in the first place, but I thought I'd throw my name out there because I was genuine with everything I said. I'm going to hold off on making any discussions and hold off putting in my vote until sometime tomorrow afternoon.

let's team up!!
 
(WHY AREN'T WE ALL VOTING FOR JUSTIN THIS GAME? Are you all so scared of him since he was Mayor and scum last game? He won didn't he? If he was a town role, he'd win it for us wouldn't he?)

I didn't even bother running for Mayor in this game for this reason. I figured it was a waste of time considering that I'm sure a bunch of players would use some genius deduction along the lines "He was scum Mayor last game, so he must be this game!". Besides, I'm not sure if I even want the responsibility of Mayor.

The Mafia is probably laughing at us all and manipulating us by allowing our doubts and paranoia get the best of us. Ever thought that the Mafia can be trying extremely hard to make damn sure that Karla doesn't get elected?

It certainly will be telling to look back at this day later on in the game when we have some confirmed roles/deaths to work with. Without naming anyone specifically, there are very clearly a couple players on each side fighting very strongly in an aggressive manner either for Karla or for anyone but Karla. Obviously, Karla is strongly not wanted as Mayor by the mafia if he is town. It'll be good information to look at later on in the game, let's not forget to. Assuming I'm still alive, I will. You know since, unlike last game, I'm actually town this game and will be useful. :p I'M BACK *****ES!

There's been a lot of debate about VillageDweller's godfather suspicion last game and if it's a good reason to vote for him. I don't have much of an opinion on that... but what is worth pointing out is his ordeal with claiming to Kayla, especially right after suspecting her the day before! Now, to be fair here, VD was by far not even close to the only blue role to suffer this mistake last game. However, doing this right after talking about how Kayla is probably Mafia shows an especially bad play. For this reason, I don't feel comfortable having VD as an elected role in this game. He isn't quite experienced enough yet I feel.

I would also personally help out anyone who's willing to contact me, via PM or w/e you want. I will gladly give advice, discuss things with you, personal planning etc and help you out as much as I possibly can.

^^^ Also, this is not necessarily a good thing... If anyone needs a reminder, this is what happened with many players last game regarding Kayla. Yes, you can certainly talk to the elected folks, but it's very easy to start trusting them too much simply because you've been talking. Super Penguin in particular fell into this trap last game. So I do find it a bit suspicious of VD to effectively encourage this sort of thing to happen again with him.

Related to VD, I do find it a bit odd how Oath put himself out there to nominate VD. Unless you are either scum mates together, or good friends (and to my knowledge, they aren't very good friends), I can't see why someone would nominate someone else. Players can post themselves to reveal their candiancy, they don't need someone else to do that for them to start. So Oath would be on my suspicion list later in the game if VD turns out mafia.

Now for Karla, there's no doubt in my mind that if he is a town member, he will be an excellent mayor. Of course... we don't know if he is town or not, as has been discussed for the last... every page of this game? We cannot answer that question for sure, it is impossible, aside from cheating. So it really comes down to... how much are we willing to risk possibly making one of the best players in the game Mafia Mayor/Sheriff? There is a part of me who feels that the best strategy may be to intentionally elect someone who is closer to the middle on the skill level chart. Someone who knows what they're doing and won't make obvious rookie mistakes, but not someone who is skilled enough to completely screw us over if they're mafia. Of course, this is a bit of a hard thing for me to suggest someone for, as it's basically telling them that I don't think they're an amazing player. :p

Well, speaking of that, I actually think Trundle would match that criteria fairly well. Please don't take offense man. :p Trundle is a good player, he's played enough IRC and Forum mafia to know how the game works, and is well capable of analysing posts. But yet, I don't think he quite has the knowhow to grand scheme a plan screwing us over if he is Mafia. So a fairly safe choice in my mind.

The last two Mayor candidates that I've seen mentioned are River and LaurinaMN. Unfortunately, we didn't get to see River play much last game, but there was the first game where she was mafia. So we would have something to crosscheck for how she plays as scum. Her tells were quite obvious to be honest. So River as Mayor/Sheriff, I'm confident we'd figure out if she was scum fairly soon into the game. That's a good thing.

LaurinaMN actually has zero votes, but she's mentioned her candidacy so she should be included in this I think. The issue with her is that we have very, very little to go by on how she plays. She was killed the very first night last game, and wasn't present at all in the first game. So she could potentially be quite dangerous as we don't know how she usually plays much. Definitely a smart player though, there's a reason we picked to kill her the first night in the last game!

At this moment, I am placing my vote for Trundle. I may still change it though depending on some of the responses to this post. There's still quite a bit of time remaining in the day! I also encourage those of you with a vote currently on VD to take into consideration what I said earlier about him, and perhaps consider changing your vote to someone else.
 
Oh and just to put it out there, at the moment my preferred elected combo would be Trundle/River. Although that is unlikely to happen based on the current votes.
 
Related to VD, I do find it a bit odd how Oath put himself out there to nominate VD. Unless you are either scum mates together, or good friends (and to my knowledge, they aren't very good friends), I can't see why someone would nominate someone else. Players can post themselves to reveal their candiancy, they don't need someone else to do that for them to start. So Oath would be on my suspicion list later in the game if VD turns out mafia.

Getting. The. Ball. Rolling.

HOW MANY TIMES.

I got the voting into gear. Because from what it seemed like, people were kind of only voting for Karla, kind of forgetting we need someone in second place as sheriff. I think I was fairly successful in that.
 
Getting. The. Ball. Rolling.

HOW MANY TIMES.

I got the voting into gear. Because from what it seemed like, people were kind of only voting for Karla, kind of forgetting we need someone in second place as sheriff. I think I was fairly successful in that.

Good point. We did need some other options to pop up. But I still do find it odd that you felt the need to do it for him, and then he posted himself about it 2 hours later. As if it was planned and discussed between both of you. Which could be either a mafia play to get elected, or trying to help out a friend.
 
I do actually appreciate Oath putting forward another candidate. At that time, it seemed like the only thing we were discussing was whether or not Karla was mafia, which is impossible to know at the moment. It sort of started off the voting and put into action the different candidates "fighting" each other, which was definitely a step in the right direction.

I'm looking forward to hearing Trundle's pitch, though. It might be enough to completely sway the voting.
 
I had my suspicions of Kayla as godfather last game, and was convinced of it right after I was killed. VD did too. I viewed my nomination as a sort of "connection" to someone who had the same mindset as me, someone who thought similar to the way I did, yet actually stood a chance of being elected.

- - - Post Merge - - -

I do actually appreciate Oath putting forward another candidate. At that time, it seemed like the only thing we were discussing was whether or not Karla was mafia, which is impossible to know at the moment. It sort of started off the voting and put into action the different candidates "fighting" each other, which was definitely a step in the right direction.

I'm looking forward to hearing Trundle's pitch, though. It might be enough to completely sway the voting.

And thank you!
 
I have no problem with Oath's VillageDweller nomination, because it was just a nomination with a reasonable connection to the previous game. The thing that draws my attention was what happened after he campaigned himself. Since the start some players, for example, Kippla has been fighting Karla tooth and nail on why we should be convinced he is or isn't fit at being mayor or sheriff while questioning his every move/motive. But it took Kippla less than twenty minutes to decide she was going to vote for VD after his speech, no questions asked. He seems like a good candidate, but not somebody I'd be willing to put trust in now or in the long run. His claim in Kayla being Godfather became invalid the moment he trusted her regardless of his gut feeling(if it was true). Let's also be careful not to fall into the mindset that because VD was a blue role the last two games he's good in this one as well.

I was hoping for more people to show some interest, but from the look of things, this may be what we're going to have to work with. Karla & Trundle seem like they make a good fit and they're already working well together. They are the comfortable choice to go with, but they're defiantly going to need a close eye on them 24/7. If they do become Mayor and Sheriff we're really going to need to step it up and stay strong as a town.
 
I have no problem with Oath's VillageDweller nomination, because it was just a nomination with a reasonable connection to the previous game. The thing that draws my attention was what happened after he campaigned himself. Since the start some players, for example, Kippla has been fighting Karla tooth and nail on why we should be convinced he is or isn't fit at being mayor or sheriff while questioning his every move/motive. But it took Kippla less than twenty minutes to decide she was going to vote for VD after his speech, no questions asked. He seems like a good candidate, but not somebody I'd be willing to put trust in now or in the long run. His claim in Kayla being Godfather became invalid the moment he trusted her regardless of his gut feeling(if it was true). Let's also be careful not to fall into the mindset that because VD was a blue role the last two games he's good in this one as well.

I was hoping for more people to show some interest, but from the look of things, this may be what we're going to have to work with. Karla & Trundle seem like they make a good fit and they're already working well together. They are the comfortable choice to go with, but they're defiantly going to need a close eye on them 24/7. If they do become Mayor and Sheriff we're really going to need to step it up and stay strong as a town.

I actually really really liked your proposal speech and feel like you definitely didn't get enough recognition here. No one asked you any questions or tried to analyse your proposal, and I'd like to hear more about what you have to say about what you'd do in the mayoral role. For example, how would you proceed to stop a lynching of someone you suspect to be innocent? How would you provide enough evidence that you are of the town? I'd like to hear more from you.
 
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