Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

[Dolby]

Actually, Trundle and I were talking about Dolby's bus driver title. Trundle said Dolby denied everything. To me, 200 bells is a waste for a title that doesn't mean anything.

Trundle said Dolby denied everything, I have NEVER pmed Trundle about my usertitle, therefore, he must be mafia in my opinion

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Yes oath2order, i am a bus driver

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But, i have pmed Blueleaf and denied it, Blueleaf, did you word that wrong?

 

[radical6]

I'll be sending out a group PM to all people who need to post. If they don't come, let them be modkilled. It's their fault.

Alright, I sent it to in-actives. Note that I didn't send it to low posters that contribute occasionally. I sent it to: Bowserfangurl, PikaSweet, SlaughterShy, and Kuma.

if youre gonna send pms to the low posters i would add devious in because i honestly forgot he was playing until i looked at the playerlist. he was like kuma and was against karla but right away voted for VD?? which i dont understand?

im glad im not the only one who felt off with VD. ive been keeping contact with him in PMs and while there's really no ground breaking info he did feel a bit different then from how we were talking during game 2. he switched the topic right away when i asked him about karla's post? ?? (we talk on another site, so he told me it wasnt loading) ignoring my comment about karla's post? he told me he backed down from the elections because he thought karla and trundle would lead the town better than him i believe.
also like karla said he seems much more uh serious i guess in this game than the other 2. in our PMs hes still joking around like usual so im guessing he was more scared of messing up in front with someone whos much more of a pro (which is why he was like using grammar with you, dunno about the other people he PMed)

but i see no reason why he denied karla?? last game he really wanted to survive and yeah he says it again that he wants to survive long in this game too. (which i dont see happening unless the votes change for him omfg) i mean if it lowered their KP couldnt they just had one of their guys act as a veteran? or act like they were protected? unless hes like a framer/roleblocker or somethin but?? man are u ever gonna get to day 3 !!! omg

im sorry but the #towniedreamteam is no more...theres too much stuff against u ..im sorry..forgive me VD!! ): (i still love u tho <3)

and why in the world would you give away your role like that. what is with you guys. hikari hints hes a detective, waffles hints shes a vig, and then you right away change your title to "I drive the bus." man i dont believe it?? whats the point? and then you get upset when beary brings it up? its literally in your title and everyone can see.

 

[Hikari]

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and why in the world would you give away your role like that. what is with you guys. hikari hints hes a detective, waffles hints shes a vig, and then you right away change your title to "I drive the bus." man i dont believe it?? whats the point? and then you get upset when beary brings it up? its literally in your title and everyone can see.

I'm quite surprised that people used something I did. It's a bad stratigy, and it was during the first game. Plus, the mafia know youre a blue role when you do it. It's how I died in the first game, well, other than roleclaiming to two mafia members.

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and why in the world would you give away your role like that. what is with you guys. hikari hints hes a detective, waffles hints shes a vig, and then you right away change your title to "I drive the bus." man i dont believe it?? whats the point? and then you get upset when beary brings it up? its literally in your title and everyone can see.

I'm quite surprised that people used something I did. It's a bad stratigy, and it was during the first game. Plus, the mafia know youre a blue role when you do it. It's how I died in the first game, well, other than roleclaiming to two mafia members.

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Double post... Opps.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I think we should lynch Karla if VD isn't mafia, unlike last game.

FOOL, WHY DIDN'T YOU PM ME ABOUT IT, THEY'LL KNOW NOW. I'll probably be more of a burden to the town though. Most likely switching mafia and paramedics when the detective rolechecks the medic.

The lynch outcome alone says nothing about me. You look at how I got him lynched and my play overall, NOT simply that I got him lynched.

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Actually, Trundle and I were talking about Dolby's bus driver title. Trundle said Dolby denied everything. To me, 200 bells is a waste for a title that doesn't mean anything.

Trundle said Dolby denied everything, I have NEVER pmed Trundle about my usertitle, therefore, he must be mafia in my opinion

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Yes oath2order, i am a bus driver

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But, i have pmed Blueleaf and denied it, Blueleaf, did you word that wrong?

I PM'd Dolby at the very beginning, pointing out what I saw. He said he was not the bus driver. When Trundle mentioned Dolby's usertitle to me, I told him I'd already asked Dolby and he denied being the driver.

Dolby, you need to stop making such logical leaps. You are all over the place. First "If VD is innocent, Karla must be Mafia", and now this.

 

[Chris]

Oi, Kippla! This is the third time I'm bringing this question up:

Was there any other reason than "Trundle's posts were good"? I never posted a reason, gimmie a sec.

I voted for Trundle because he showed good performance in the previous game, and I have seen how he handles situations. There wasn't a lot to stop me from voting for him, because it's not like he kept saying "vote for me because ill do these great things" but posted good reasons without much pushing for us to vote for him.

Except the fact you originally voted for VD. What made you switch your vote?

Please answer it this time. Until you do I'm determined to believe that if VD is mafia then you are suspect too and that you switched your vote later in the election (once you realised it was a lost cause) in an attempt to protect yourself.

I also think you didn't want to draw attention to your vote change and that is why you didn't bother to explain why you voted for Trundle until after BlueLeaf pointed out that Beary had also made a sudden vote change without explanation. However, because you appeared to feel pressured to explain yourself (although you were never queried on it so why should you?) it's as if you forgot that you had initially voted for a different candidate.

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Dolby, you need to stop making such logical leaps. You are all over the place. First "If VD is innocent, Karla must be Mafia", and now this.

I'd like to back-up Karla on this point: especially if you're the bus driver you should be thinking more carefully before you reach a conclusion. If you don't think properly before you act then you could potentially harm town.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Okay, it's early morning again here so I'm going to try to post but hopefully not have the post be entirely stupid like last time.

There's no way I'd be able to dig up unmentioned evidence on why I have suspicions against VillagerDweller. Karla's PM conversation definitely holding the most weight against him. He just seems a bit to sketchy and 'on edge'. Why would he tell Karla that he should save it later on in the game when there are fewer players, but then want it used on him for the following night phase? You do have three to spare which is plenty speaking that the previous game only used one(if my memory serves correctly). I would really like to know why he was so confident in knowing he'd make it threw night one.

I'm pretty set on VillageDweller, but I need to get something else out on the table before I forget about it and then for it to get swept under the rug, since I'm going to bed and work another long early morning shift. Someone I've had suspicions on from the start.
Anybody else remember how against Kuma was to vote for Karla in the election?

A few hours later she says

That was stated one hour before VD made his campaign speech. But why didn't Kuma ever question about VD's claim about wanting protection? He also said he was killed early in both games(night one and two, which she obviously knows playing both the previous games). Wouldn't that make you believe VD would be someone you wanted dead as well? Although, the way Kuma is playing has not been different in this game than the previous she did pretty much role claim to being a townie for the third time:

which makes me want to believe she is saying that just because she's known to lurk more than being a contributing poster(at least for the second game, the first game she was active but eventually got modkilled)- it might just be her own way of blending in. Kuma, if you truly are a townie for the third time, I understand that you'd feel uninterested and unmotivated to play. But you signed up for this, if this is your third time playing you should know by now you need to help out your side. A townie may not be an important role, but it's still a role.

I'm hoping my post made some sense since I'm half asleep :/

Kuma has been in our suspicions too for quite awhile. I've questioned her and she has no real good reason to have done that. She said she "doesn't remember".
The other thing to consider is that oath2order nominated VillageDweller before he could post about it himself, and Kuma made the post on the thread about it and such. It's still something to watch for, because Kuma has been acting weird in the IRC (and she probably won't see this because she's so inactive.)

Actually, Trundle and I were talking about Dolby's bus driver title. Trundle said Dolby denied everything. To me, 200 bells is a waste for a title that doesn't mean anything.

I don't recall talking to you about it. I haven't PMed you once this game.

Trundle said Dolby denied everything, I have NEVER pmed Trundle about my usertitle, therefore, he must be mafia in my opinion
Karla told me about it when I mentioned it. Yup, I'm soooo mafia.
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Yes oath2order, i am a bus driver

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But, i have pmed Blueleaf and denied it, Blueleaf, did you word that wrong?

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Sorry, I accidentally wrote inside the quote above. -_- mornings

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

Tina, I told you already. Trundle wasn't new, he had spent plenty of time ingame and he's been active here. VD didn't do much for the elections, and was basically swept under the rug. I didn't feel the need for him has mayor.

 

[Dolby]

I don't recall talking to you about it. I haven't PMed you once this game.

Oh, sorry

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oops, meant to quote a different sentence

 

[KarlaKGB]

http://www.belltreeforums.com/converse.php?u=21288&u2=15875

This exchange between Dolby and someone who isn't playing is very, very concerning. In case it gets deleted, I will quote them down:

You are going to be so surprised on who i'm going to bus

And who might be?

Not telling.

"You are going to be so surprised on who i'm going to bus"
Then why did you tell me this?

No reason, but you are going to be surprised by my actions

[...] Do something and help the town.

NEVERRRRR

It seems we have someone who does not want to help the town. I don't want to stop the VD lynch just to lynch someone who is anti-town, but likely still town aligned. I say a Vig should shoot him and use that to try and get confirmed. Dolby, clarify your position here.

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If he is town, this is a borderline modkill case for playing against your win condition in a deliberate way.

 

[Chris]

Tina, I told you already. Trundle wasn't new, he had spent plenty of time ingame and he's been active here. VD didn't do much for the elections, and was basically swept under the rug. I didn't feel the need for him has mayor.

You should make it clearer who you're talking to in future. I had to re-read Pg. 87 multiple times before I saw anything even remotely relevant in what you had said: and even then your post was vague and didn't properly answer my question. This new reply is more detailed and actually answers the question (thank you) but it has also raised a new one:

Why did you vote for VD in the first place if you didn't feel the need for him as mayor? There were still over 24 hours left to vote at that stage and you had already voted for yourself as a placeholder.

 

[Princess]

Sorry for the inactivity guys, I tried to be more active initially to make up for the last two games since I finally had the time.
But I'm busy again so..
I'll try to post more

 

[KarlaKGB]

We lost three Townies! This is a loss, guys. The less Townies there are, the greater the chance blue roles will die.

Upon rereading, I thought I'd just facetiously comment on this.

By your logic, Kippla, it would be better to lose three Blues, because the fewer blues there are, the less chance blues will die

 

[Elijo]

At first, I had this to say.

Karla, you didn't have to get permission from VD. If you want to incarcerate someone then just discuss it with Trundle and if he agrees, do the action. Simple. I believe that Karla didn't even considered incarcerating VD and was just purposely asking him just so Karla could get information. Karla was trying to trick VD into giving him information, in my opinion.

Then I did find it odd how he refused, especially since he gave a poor reason. He was going to be incarcerated for the night and day. That is a offer no one should refuse but somehow, VD did. If he was going to get protected by a medic, he still could've gotten a incarceration for the day. This screams scummy, in my opinion.

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For now, I'm going to have VD as my placeholder vote.

 

[iLoveYou]

Please don't forget that you have to vote. There's 14 of you that have not voted yet and you have about 2 hours and 22 minutes left.

This day ends today at 5 PM EST time.

 

[Chris.]

If blu rose turns out to be mafia, which would be ironic, then Kippla must be mafia, but for now Kippla is my vote

How exactly would Kippla have to be mafia if blu turns out to be? Rose was the one who first accused Kippla of being mafia, so are you saying that rose is that much of a bad player that they just let out another mafia player? I can't see why you are saying Kippla must be mafia if blu rose is. Also, is there any other reason why you want to vote Karla if VD is innocent besides your "logic"? Also, like Justin said, VD backed up the PMs which negates your theory. Why does it seem like you have something to hide, linking everyone up saying if so-and-so isn't mafia, this person is. Then there is the claims of you being Bus Driver while others are saying you denied it to them in PMs. All very confusing, but it could just be that you didn't want to reveal your role to Karla but still that doesn't make sense why you are role claiming Day 2 then?


Anyways, I'm going to vote for VD because of him denying incarceration first night. Unless he didn't want us seeing a drop in the KP count, I can't see any reason why to deny it? He could be a vet, but why wouldn't he just be incarcerated then? I understand they won't die first shot, but still. Wouldn't being incarcerated allow him to be trusted more, which helps the entire game instead of just one night.Seems very scummy. Unless one of the kills was an assassin and was done by VD. Or he could have been a medic and protected someone, though no one has come out and said they were protected by the medic. Overall, I don't see any roles that VD could be that would cause him to deny incarceration besides being scum.

 

[Blu Rose]

I'm debating whether I should just bandwagon or not...

Stupid question: If a Bus Driver were to successfully switch two roles, would s/he be notified of which two roles were switched?

I didn't see it covered in the first post.

 

[TheCreeperHugz]

Well, I'll vote for VD since he hasn't came up with a good reason why he would refuse the incarceration besides not want a noticable KP drop if he is mafia, which seems incredibly scummy to me.

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Also, looks like this could be a completely unanimous vote...

 

[BungoTheElf]

I don't want to be a bandwagoner and vote for VD but I do agree his actions are a bit suspicious.. Especially his change in speaking from the last game.

I'll vote for him now unless anyone can prove and show me a better suspect, since the only one else I can find suspicious right now is Kippla.

 

[Laurina]

Uh, I'm really sorry I posted in the wrong thread. Not sure what that means for me or what I'm supposed to do. PMed Tom & iLoveYou. Sorry, too many tabs and too many things to try to keep up with at the moment.

I put my vote in for VillageDweller. Too much evidence against him to even reason with another choice. I know he said he wouldn't be on as much the next couple of days, but he still had plenty of chances to make some arguments(which he said he's great at doing when given the time) and find some cases against other people that are also under suspicions. We're lynching for scum, but hoping we get some information from it as well. And hopefully we get both from it!

VillageDweller, if there is a slight chance that you are not scum, I hope you find someone you have some trust in. So before your death you can tell them the real reason behind why you didn't need incarnation when offered and what you were planning on doing during the night two phase or any information you may have been holding out.

 

[iLoveYou]

I'm debating whether I should just bandwagon or not...

Stupid question: If a Bus Driver were to successfully switch two roles, would s/he be notified of which two roles were switched?

I didn't see it covered in the first post.

The Bus Driver does not switch the roles of players. What they do is they switch what happens to them that night.

Bus Driver chooses to switch Player A with Player B.
Player A was supposed to get inspected.
Player B was supposed to get killed (without any protection that night).

Player B now gets inspected & Player A now gets killed.