Mafia TBT Mafia III: The Murder Before Christmas [Game Over/Town Win]

[Beary]

It's sad we lost a villigate, but losing a bus driver will give us less distraction.
I'm not sure why you are all focusing on Dolby?
Can I have a summery? D:

 

[Dolby]

It's sad we lost a villigate, but losing a bus driver will give us less distraction.
I'm not sure why you are all focusing on Dolby?
Can I have a summery? D:

Their logic is that there can not be two bus drivers.

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

It's sad we lost a villigate, but losing a bus driver will give us less distraction.
I'm not sure why you are all focusing on Dolby?
Can I have a summery? D:

Dolby claimed to be a Bus Driver, but considering Farobi was a BD and there's low chance of two BDs, we're suspecting him. Besides, earlier in the game Dolby denied being a Bus Driver at all.

 

[EpicGamer12]

The mafia had 48 HOURS to discuss who to kill, if they knew that Farobi was bus driver then that would have been pointed out earlier by someone.

Farobi wasn't very active and probably wouldn't have talked to anyone, other than ITookYourWaffles, because I believe they are IRL friends (correct me if I'm wrong?)
I'd like to hear what Waffles has to say, if anything, about this.

 

[Dolby]

Dolby claimed to be a Bus Driver, but considering Farobi was a BD and there's low chance of two BDs, we're suspecting him. Besides, earlier in the game Dolby denied being a Bus Driver at all.

Mainly for fear of mafia, but when beary commented about my usertitle i feared that if a fake-claimed townie it would make me a suspect for the next lynch

 

[EpicGamer12]

And on that note, I realize that Waffles isn't even in this game. Nevermind. (gah i'm so sorry)

 

[Beary]

Dolby claimed to be a Bus Driver, but considering Farobi was a BD and there's low chance of two BDs, we're suspecting him. Besides, earlier in the game Dolby denied being a Bus Driver at all.

That makes sense. Even though bandwagoning is a bad idea, I agree with everyone supporting Dolby's lynch.
He seems suspicious. Denying that you are a role and then suddenly decided you will rile claim it, is a sign of a mafia trying to blend in.

 

[Dolby]

Farobi wasn't very active and probably wouldn't have talked to anyone, other than ITookYourWaffles, because I believe they are IRL friends (correct me if I'm wrong?)
I'd like to hear what Waffles has to say, if anything, about this.

Waffles isn't playing

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

Mainly for fear of mafia, but when beary commented about my usertitle i feared that if a fake-claimed townie it would make me a suspect for the next lynch

Unless more leads and evidence for someone else pop up, we're all suspecting you. I mean, denying to be a Bus Driver, then saying you are, then all these theories? It's hard not to be suspicious of something.

 

[Dolby]

Unless more leads and evidence for someone else pop up, we're all suspecting you. I mean, denying to be a Bus Driver, then saying you are, then all these theories? It's hard not to be suspicious of something.

Sadly(for myself) i can't contradict that logic

 

[Superpenguin]

Sorry, I haven't been on here as much as I would've liked to the past couple days. I had things to do after school, but that is all over now, thankfully!

So anyway, today's lynch seems to be targeting Dolby. I am so confused on this. Are we really thinking that just because Farobi was a Bus Driver, that there can be absolutely no other Bus Drivers? Yeah, that'll cause chaos, possibly, but there's little chance that what the Bus Driver does is even effective in anyway, and they can each only bus two times per game. I mean, seriously, we had THREE assassins which means six extra night kills for the game. That's hectic.

However, Dolby's conversation exchange with Waffles does strike me as odd because apparently he does not want to help out town while being a Bus Driver; plus apparently he claimed to other people he was a Townie. Though, since he publicly announced in here that he is a Bus Driver, I am going to hold to that roleclaim. Also, Karla actually was instructing Dolby who to bus last night, so that shows that Dolby can actually be controlled, though, apparently Dolby has claimed he was roleblocked. Given his past untrustworthy events, I don't really know how much truth is in that.

Dolby has also made some random accusations during the past few days, but to me, that's just his playing style, a poor one at that, but still.

I'd also like to ask Karla why he asked for a Vig to shoot Dolby last night if he was just going to tell him who to bus? Did you just want him to bus two people and then have him die so you won't have to deal with him anymore?

I say a Vig should shoot him and use that to try and get confirmed.

Basically, you'd let Dolby die in order to have a confirmed Vig shown to the town?


And with that, I direct my attention to Kippla, who right now is much more deserving of my vote than Dolby...

Yup. xD

Mafia advice:
1. Act like Town, and sacrifice other mafiaso if needed.
2. Do NOT emphasize that you are Town.
3. Don't be too active, but not inactive.

Spoiler: Opposition to Karla

Nice campaign post, Karla. But isn't it SLIGHTLY early to post, considering Day hasn't even started?

Karla, I'm going to ask you some questions. I will tell you now I am a Townie once again in this game, so these are just based on what I think would be important for the Town.

1. If the bodyguards die (thus, you can die both and Night and Day) what will you do and how will you react?

2. If everyone agrees on (but has not voted on) one person but you think they are Town/you know they are Town because of Detectives, how will you try and defend them?

3. What will you do if you are accused of Mafia?

Most of his post was about how he'll try to organize the blue roles and try and take down the Mafia while protecting the Town. Does he say much about how he's going to use himself in the special position? Not really. Anyone can analyze posts and look beyond the words, so that doesn't really contribute considering we can all do that.

The Day JUST started like 10 minutes ago and it goes on for 2 whole days! Not all the candidates are going to post within the first 10 minutes of Day. This game takes time to think about it. Is Karla really going to do everything he said if he's elected? Did he do anything that showed signs of Mafia? Think carefully.

The bold paragraph is what happened with Kayla and Justin last game. We all put our trust in them because of their big speeches, and didn't pay attention to anything else. We need to make sure this doesn't happen again. New players, take note of this. This is a main part of the game.

I suggest we take a look at some other things.

Will Karla be able to hold up and do everything he says he will? Kayla did that, but she never did what she promised. Kayla was Mafia, but still.

Is Karla really on our side? Should we trust the former host to be our non-scum Mayor or Sheriff?

Being elected because you don't want to die isn't a very good reason for wanting to be Mayor. If you can hold up your promises, you will be a good Mayor. But don't just be the Mayor for the protection, be it because you know you can help the Town.

Sorry, I must've missed it in the wall of text. But still, Karla, are you absolutely certain you will be able to hold up your promises? If you can, then it is easier to trust you.

There's not much to discuss about the blue role plans because you gave all the info for the blue roles and want you'll be doing with them. I can ask, though, If you are elected Mayor, will you immediately put these plans into action or see if the Town has any opinions?

Thank you, I'm satisfied. I'll think about you and your plans, Karla, to see if you are Town. You can't trust anyone this early on, so I still hold a seed of doubt.

I'd like to know this too. You sound as if you will know exactly who is Mafia and are able to direct them into a new candidate no one probably thought about.

This is a much better explanation of how you'll attack those lynches of innocents. After you found someone was innocent, would you go back and look for evidence or would you have some on hand already to tell everyone?

I think they are fearing that because you were host, meaning you've seen both chats and know the tricks for Mafia and Town. If you were Mafia, you could easily use those tricks and some of your own to make us trust you.

That just screamed Mafia. "Who is more trustworthy than me?" No one is. Including you. You have no proof of being Town, and you can easily pretend to be a part of us. This is why I can't vote yet.

In order to vote, you must trust the candidate. So technically, saying "vote for me" is more like "trust me to do these good things". That's basically why we vote. We want to elect someone who will do good things.

Spoiler: Support for VD

I'm going to vote for VillageDweller. He did make some really good points and was always a target for the Mafia to kill, and that's probably no different now. If he is Mafia, we'll notice because VillageDweller won't be always making these really awesome points and being targeted. I haven't really seen Karla in action and so I don't know how he plays. That's basically why. I don't know his role or side.

Notice how Kippla worked so hard tearing apart Karla, asking him so many questions, not trusting him, calling him out on practically everything he says. Meanwhile, she had no problem voting for VD without question following his nomination. Since VD was mafia and he gained such an easy support vote from Kippla, this gives me reason to suspect Kippla of also being mafiosa.

I already gave my reasons for voting, go back if you want to see them. You can suspect me all you like, but if you do lynch me, all you're doing is lynching a Townie.

Me too. I'm a bit disappointed, but it's a good role and very useful too. C:

Here Kippla is saying that she is a Townie. But, when she first received her role, she was saying how important and useful it was, so I find it really hard to believe that she is actually a Townie and am leading more toward Scum.

Plus, Kippla has been known to PM at least Blu Rose trying to convince him that Karla is mafia.

Kippla's conversation:

Spoiler

Okay, Kippla pointed out:
"I think Karla is Mafia. He keeps repeatedly saying that we're fearing him for no reason when he knows, probably better than all of us, that Mafia is a game of trust and logic. Does Karla expect us to trust him right away?"

After saying he would lurk the thread, he pointed out that he thought Hikari was a better option, causing me to think that they were both Mafia. He pointed out something about last game electing TWO SCUM and how much of a ruin that made the town, and that he didn't want a replay of that.

He then pointed out that Kayla did a great job hiding her godfather role and Karla could do the same thing--just as easily. I replied to this with an, " Only reason I believe you now."

After a little shady part in my memory (I can't remember!), he thought that BellBringerGreen might be Mafia, with evidence such as, and I quote, "He's barely posting and when he does, it's usually against someone like me: Active and eager to play, yet innocent." BellBringerGreen was not talked about the rest of the time.

I then pointed out that we were probably being waaaaaayy too quick coming to conclusions, and we departed with, "May the better person die!"

Any questions?

- - - Post Merge - - -

BellBringerGreen: I know why I am suspected. It's because of my strategy of gameplay. I just go with it.

So, why am I suspected, by others than Karla, as I already know why you suspect me? Or, rather, I just want to hear all of your opinions on me.

- - - Post Merge - - -

The only reason Kippla is "kind of" defending me is the PM chat.

I don't understand that if Kippla truly believes Karla is mafia, why she doesn't just come out and announce it in the thread instead of trying to gain support of it through PMs/letting other people do the dirty work of accusing Karla for her.

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

1. Being Townie is an important role. I chose to not continue complaining and just say that I was happy with my role, because I'm important too. All Townies are important.

2. At this point, I've had approximately 1 PM discussion, and that was with Blu. I thought that discussion was already settled?

3. I DID not trust Karla before. However, that was before he and Trundle led us to VD. And what do you know? He was the Godfather. I already said I trust our Sheriff and Mayor now. If they had been scum, I doubt they'd sacrifice their Godfather.

Is there any particular reason you're turning the lynch into me? I've tried to contribute and be a useful Town member.

 

[Chris]

3. I DID not trust Karla before. However, that was before he and Trundle led us to VD. And what do you know? He was the Godfather. I already said I trust our Sheriff and Mayor now. If they had been scum, I doubt they'd sacrifice their Godfather.

There are two sides to every coin. Imagine for a moment that one/both of them are mafia: sacrificing the godfather could also be seen as a way of trying to secure our trust. Even without being outed by the elected roles other people (myself included) had already begun to suspect VD because of the style of his campaign and the way others had jumped to vote for him without interrogation. With people already suspicious of VD it could have been thought safer in the grand scheme of things if they took him out with their own hand early on - especially as he claimed in the IRC that he didn't really care for the game this time around. Someone who doesn't care is more likely to slip up.

I'm not saying that the above scenario is what happened, nor that either of them are mafia, but that you should always think about the situation from all angles.

 

[KarlaKGB]

However, Dolby's conversation exchange with Waffles does strike me as odd because apparently he does not want to help out town while being a Bus Driver; plus apparently he claimed to other people he was a Townie. Though, since he publicly announced in here that he is a Bus Driver, I am going to hold to that roleclaim. Also, Karla actually was instructing Dolby who to bus last night, so that shows that Dolby can actually be controlled, though, apparently Dolby has claimed he was roleblocked. Given his past untrustworthy events, I don't really know how much truth is in that.

He is the only one who has claimed roleblock so far, so we can't get any further information about that.

I'd also like to ask Karla why he asked for a Vig to shoot Dolby last night if he was just going to tell him who to bus? Did you just want him to bus two people and then have him die so you won't have to deal with him anymore?

I made that request before Dolby decided to cooperate with me.

Basically, you'd let Dolby die in order to have a confirmed Vig shown to the town?

Yes, in the case that Dolby is an anti-town force. Right now, its so uncertain that I agree we should hold off on the Dolby lynch.

There are two sides to every coin. Imagine for a moment that one/both of them are mafia: sacrificing the godfather could also be seen as a way of trying to secure our trust. Even without being outed by the elected roles other people (myself included) had already begun to suspect VD because of the style of his campaign and the way others had jumped to vote for him without interrogation. With people already suspicious of VD it could have been thought safer in the grand scheme of things if they took him out with their own hand early on - especially as he claimed in the IRC that he didn't really care for the game this time around. Someone who doesn't care is more likely to slip up.

I'm not saying that the above scenario is what happened, nor that either of them are mafia, but that you should always think about the situation from all angles.

Although me saying what I would do as Mafia will be taken with a rather large pinch of salt while I'm in the game, I'd just like to say that bussing a Mafia member (especially the Godfather, who really didn't have much of a case against him before my involvement) so early on in the game just for some Town cred is a terrible, terrible move. Any bussing move (including even two Mafia members publicly arguing) will put Mafia into the spotlight, whilst earning little town cred, of which will easily be destroyed by any competent town analysts later in the game. Think about it - the Godfather gone (making innocent rolechecks confirmed) and losing the incredibly broken 4 KP. It's simply not a good move.

 

[Chris]

Although me saying what I would do as Mafia will be taken with a rather large pinch of salt while I'm in the game, I'd just like to say that bussing a Mafia member (especially the Godfather, who really didn't have much of a case against him before my involvement) so early on in the game just for some Town cred is a terrible, terrible move. Any bussing move (including even two Mafia members publicly arguing) will put Mafia into the spotlight, whilst earning little town cred, of which will easily be destroyed by any competent town analysts later in the game. Think about it - the Godfather gone (making innocent rolechecks confirmed) and losing the incredibly broken 4 KP. It's simply not a good move.

You're right.

The highlight includes the details I forgot about while thinking that through. They would both be a significant loss to the mafia.

 

[KarlaKGB]

I would still like to hear from CreeperHugz. So far, she hasn't posted since her vote for VD. I've already pointed out her reluctance to discuss VD. Last game, after she was shot, she lamented in observer chat that she died because she had a life.

I don't believe she has any intention of being active and contributing to town.

 

[Dolby]

Me too. I'm a bit disappointed, but it's a good role and very useful too. C:

I've pointed this out earlier in the game, and a full ELEVEN people (no, i am not fabricating this) were viewing the thread at the time. If there were ANY mafia online (which is highly likely) then Kippla would have been targeted night one. Sure, they could have left him alive and designated one of their number to point it out (yes, i know I pointed it out, don't accuse me of being mafia because of this logic) but I serverly doubt considering that they would have an easy blue kill.

 

[Dolby]

I still believe after day 2 that Kippla is mafia but i felt like i should vote for VD because he/she was more suspicious, my vote is going to Kippla

 

[oath2order]

I would still like to hear from CreeperHugz. So far, she hasn't posted since her vote for VD. I've already pointed out her reluctance to discuss VD. Last game, after she was shot, she lamented in observer chat that she died because she had a life.

I don't believe she has any intention of being active and contributing to town.

On this note...

 

[kittenrobotarmy]

I've pointed this out earlier in the game, and a full ELEVEN people (no, i am not fabricating this) were viewing the thread at the time. If there were ANY mafia online (which is highly likely) then Kippla would have been targeted night one. Sure, they could have left him alive and designated one of their number to point it out (yes, i know I pointed it out, don't accuse me of being mafia because of this logic) but I serverly doubt considering that they would have an easy blue kill.

I'm a girl, Dolby.

Why would I be targeted Night 1? Karla told me how important Townie was even without special abilities, so that's why I said that. I do have an important and useful role, because it 1. Helps protect the blue roles because there are so many Townies and 2. I have nothing to hide, so it takes that burden of trying to keep something secret off so I can be as useful as possible to Town.