Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

[KarlaKGB]

Superpenguin vs oath2order

 

[Superpenguin]

After careful planning, and a few rewrites

Why would you need to rewrite it, though? Why not just let your thoughts flow out. Mafia members are the ones who tend to fix up and change what they post.

I'm also hoping to regularly PM a few trusted users about who I suspect, though this would be after the first night, after Mafia kills are submitted, as I currently do not suspect anybody.

How are you going to handle the first lynch?

Simply leaping on the inactives just won't cut it anymore. How many times have we lynched an inactive, only to find out they're a townie?

Maybe it would be best to back up the points you made with some clear specifics. Especially with something you can easily find by taking five minutes to look at the past games. A lynch on inactives hasn't happened quite nearly as often as you make it out to be. The only two times I can think about are:

Dolby(Game II, Lynch 1) - Even after being accused, Dolby began talking more to defend himself so he was becoming active. Not to mention it was the first day.

TheCreeperHugz(Game III, Lynch 3) - Fully inactive.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Maybe I'm just a bit drowsy, but SP you plan seems like a carbon copy of Karla's from Mafia 3. :/ Still it was magnificent plan but can we truly expect full cooperation with the most important lynch? Granted Mafia III's first day was a tad sloppy, but like Karla has always said, there's no good first day.

Glad to see though that two somewhat strong candidates are coming out of the gates gunning, though I'll have to tear apart your replies before I settle on a single candidate because even when you were scum, you tried to make your posts as enticing as possible. Was going to possibly through my hat in there, but after seeing this I'll just bow out and work with the winner.

 

[Superpenguin]

Maybe I'm just a bit drowsy, but SP you plan seems like a carbon copy of Karla's from Mafia 3.

It's kind of hard to propose a completely different plan especially when there is only one new role.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

It's kind of hard to propose a completely different plan especially when there is only one new role.

Only one new role but several changes to the others. Plus you've forgotten to mention the Roleblockers in regardless to hurdles to our Detectives, they are still very much a big hurdle we need to get rid of as soon as possible. You should know this best of all, it's how the mafia team nearly won game three.

 

[EpicGamer12]

Only one new role but several changes to the others. Plus you've forgotten to mention the Roleblockers in regardless to hurdles to our Detectives, they are still very much a big hurdle we need to get rid of as soon as possible. You should know this best of all, it's how the mafia team nearly won game three.

Of course, for the roleblockers do block the detectives, they need to find out who the detectives are, first. This is hardly something worth mentioning due to it being common sense to want to get rid of mafia as soon as possible.

 

[Superpenguin]

Only one new role but several changes to the others. Plus you've forgotten to mention the Roleblockers in regardless to hurdles to our Detectives, they are still very much a big hurdle we need to get rid of as soon as possible. You should know this best of all, it's how the mafia team nearly won game three.

There's nothing Detectives can do about being roleblocked. That is why I didn't include it. Plus, Doctors and Vigs can also be roleblocked, so it'd be redundant and, it's already common knowledge.

Detectives, upon hearing someone's alignment, even if they hit a Miller or the Godfather, they still have power with their rolecheck. They can choose to whether or not to trust that alignment is true and decide who to share/discuss it with, which is why I included Miller and Godfather interferences.

Oh, and just something to add that I didn't include in my OP:

If you are roleblocked, DO NOT PUBLICLY ANNOUNCE IT! You would just be telling mafia that they struck a blue.

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Of course, for the roleblockers do block the detectives, they need to find out who the detectives are, first. This is hardly something worth mentioning due to it being common sense to want to get rid of mafia as soon as possible.

Obviously. However I fear it might be rather easy to do, I'm already hearing word about people sharing roles with "friends". May be friends outside the game, but mafia isn't exactly a game of friendship. Loose lips sink ships, so I'm keeping my role close at hand for a while until I determine it's worth sharing with others. The last time I shared roles, I got a bullet in my back for compensation for assisting mafia, something I aim to not do this time around.

 

[Dolby]

It's easier now for the mafia to feign detective because they can only find out alignment since the mafia know the alignments of all players.

 

[oath2order]

Why would you need to rewrite it, though? Why not just let your thoughts flow out. Mafia members are the ones who tend to fix up and change what they post.

Bad wording, things not coming together the way I wanted them to sound.

How are you going to handle the first lynch?

I'm going to ask the town why exactly they shouldn't be lynched. I'll read the responses and go off of that.

Maybe it would be best to back up the points you made with some clear specifics. Especially with something you can easily find by taking five minutes to look at the past games. A lynch on inactives hasn't happened quite nearly as often as you make it out to be. The only two times I can think about are:

Dolby(Game II, Lynch 1) - Even after being accused, Dolby began talking more to defend himself so he was becoming active. Not to mention it was the first day.

TheCreeperHugz(Game III, Lynch 3) - Fully inactive.

And how many people actually go back to look at the other games? Somehow I doubt it happens as much as you think.

It does happen fairly often. Karla and Trundle's reasons for lynching FoxWolf in Game III, Lynch 1 was based off him not contributing in the previous game. Horus and Lynn were under suspicion, and lynched because of their relative inactiveness at the end of Game III. 3DSfan, by his own admittance, was inactive in Game II, and that led to his lynch.

I really need to start posting here more often.

While it isn't an epidemic for lynch causing, it sure does seem to be quite a large method by which we decide who hangs.

Remember in Mini Mafia? Karla was suspicious of me because I wasn't posting as much.

 

[Superpenguin]

And how many people actually go back to look at the other games? Somehow I doubt it happens as much as you think.

If you're not going to take the time to go look back at previous games, then I don't want you to be the mayor. You know how big of an asset those past games are to us? Every player in this game has played in a past game, some players have even played on both sides! You look back at the previous game to see how those players behaved on the side they were on to help you determine their alignment. Looking back at previous games can practically determine a lynch!

 

[EpicGamer12]

It does happen fairly often. Karla and Trundle's reasons for lynching FoxWolf in Game III, Lynch 1 was based off him not contributing in the previous game. Horus and Lynn were under suspicion, and lynched because of their relative inactiveness at the end of Game III. 3DSfan, by his own admittance, was inactive in Game II, and that led to his lynch.

Aren't you helping Superpenguin's case here? Horus and Lynn, may I remind you, were both scum.

 

[oath2order]

If you're not going to take the time to go look back at previous games, then I don't want you to be the mayor. You know how big of an asset those past games are to us? Every player in this game has played in a past game, some players have even played on both sides! You look back at the previous game to see how those players behaved on the side they were on to help you determine their alignment. Looking back at previous games can practically determine a lynch!

I never said I wouldn't. Of course I will! It's what I did to create my suspicion list in game 3. Of course you look at previous games, of course the experienced players will. The way I read your post, it's as if you think most players look back at previous games to analyze voting methods, but let's be real here. Out of the 24 players in this game, I'd say only about 5 or 6 will go back and really look at how people acted.

Aren't you helping Superpenguin's case here? Horus and Lynn, may I remind you, were both scum.

It's actually contradicting his point. While they were scum, they were inactive. He seems to think that us lynching people on their activity level doesn't happen too often. It does, and that's part of me listing all the people we've lynched due to inactivity.

 

[Beary]

So, as you all probably know, today is going to be slow. :/

I see Oath is running for mayor. I'm still not sure who to vote for, as in mafia III, we trusted the elected officials fully, and then prompty died. -_- We should all keep out wits about us. We need to noy trust anybody, as any one of us talking right now could be mafia.

Again, as Oath states, we need to stop the 'annoyance' lynches. Almost every time, they are town.

I'm NOT running for mayor as (AHEM) nobody would vote for me anyways, and that is a true fact xD

 

[Superpenguin]

It's actually contradicting his point. While they were scum, they were inactive. He seems to think that us lynching people on their activity level doesn't happen too often. It does, and that's part of me listing all the people we've lynched due to inactivity.

Let me remind you a thing about the case of Horus and Lynn, the only two successful "inactive lynchings":

Players remaining at the time of Those lynches:
-Lynn
-Horus
-Karla
-Trundle
-Kippla
-Hikari
-Blu Rose

Trundle and Karla already trusted each other, and karla already admitted to just throwing Kippla's name out there to see who would take the bait, so we can figure that Kippla was trusted as well. I'm sure Hikari and Blu Rose were also figured to be innocent. All of which were inactive. The case of Horus and Lynn was similar to that of the end of Mini Mafia: look for the unconfirmed innocents. It was coincidence the unconfirms were also inactives.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Also in the case of lynn, she was incarcerated and when no shot was fired, kinda obvious she was mafia.

- - - Post Merge - - -

I'm still not sure who to vote for, as in mafia III, we trusted the elected officials fully, and then prompty died. -_-

In Mafia III, you guys elected two town players. You were just unlucky and died at the hands of the mafia.

Plus, this is a fine line between trusting and electing. I am not asking for your trust. There is no possible way any of you could possibly trust that I am Town at this point in the game. I'm just asking you to elect someone pro-town and a good player for that position of Mayor. If you later suspect them of mafia, then lynch them! That's how they would've died if they weren't mayor.

 

[oath2order]

What do you mean, Hikari was figured to be innocent? They lynched her! I was on Mumble with Karla while we were waiting for Kippla to vote, and even near the end, Karla was still saying "oh my god, if it's ****ing Kippla..." I take that to mean that there were still some lingering doubts over the lynn/Kippla lynch.

Sure you can call it coincidence, but it's still lynching based off inactivity.

 

[Superpenguin]

What do you mean, Hikari was figured to be innocent? They lynched her! I was on Mumble with Karla while we were waiting for Kippla to vote, and even near the end, Karla was still saying "oh my god, if it's ****ing Kippla..." I take that to mean that there were still some lingering doubts over the lynn/Kippla lynch.

Sure you can call it coincidence, but it's still lynching based off inactivity.

Hikari was lynched 'cause lynn was incarcerated and thus couldn't be lynched!

 

[oath2order]

Hikari was lynched 'cause lynn was incarcerated and thus couldn't be lynched!

Kippla was still alive! As I said, it looked as if Karla still had some sort of doubts over the lynn/Kippla lynch, meaning that he could have lynched Kippla instead of Hikari the inactive.

 

[Hikari]

What do you mean, Hikari was figured to be innocent? They lynched her! I was on Mumble with Karla while we were waiting for Kippla to vote, and even near the end, Karla was still saying "oh my god, if it's ****ing Kippla..." I take that to mean that there were still some lingering doubts over the lynn/Kippla lynch.

Sure you can call it coincidence, but it's still lynching based off inactivity.

I'm a guy -.-

Anyways, I was thought to be mafia due to talking to various confirmed mafia players last game, which seemed like acting.

 

[BlueLeaf]

Alright, got back from school. It looks like 2 people have posted their campaign, oath2order and Superpenguin. I'll wait for other people to throw their hats in the ring before voting.

If SP and oath were the same person, I'd definitely vote for them. A good mayor should have trust and cooperation, and not just make decisions by themselves. Obviously, trusting a mayor/sheriff blindly is dangerous, so watch out (KAYLA AND JUBS).


I'd also like to see some kind of discussion apart from the election. Maybe we can discuss ways to find scum, or something like that. I'll start it off. Feel free to build off of this or something.

1. If you suspect a person that was scum last game, compare their gameplay then to their gameplay now. If they're similar, they're most likely scum. As mentioned already, viewing the previous games helps!

2. If you suspect a person that was never scum before, you can do either of two things: Make a PM circle, or read their behavior. If you go with the former, you should build a circle off of trust. It's also safer if their gameplay is great. Once you have a PM circle, you can get info not seen in the thread. If they're playing scummy, choose someone else. If you go with the latter, you need to really look into their posts. Is it a go with the flow post? Is it a baseless accusation post? Or is it a contributive post?

Discussion gets the game going! If we all just talk about the election, we'll have no clue on who to lynch! Bring some other stuff into the discussion. We don't want people to be left out.