Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

[Chris]

I would like to put my own name in for consideration.

I?ve only played mafia twice so far: in mafia III I was a role blocker and in mini mafia I was a detective. If you look back at how I played, you?ll realise I held back more as a town member than I did as a mafia member. Why?

As mafia I wasn't scared to speak. I knew I wouldn't die if I gave a completely pro-town post so I went all out. If you re-read every single one of my posts, you would know that I always tried to offer various points of view to the town, rather than saying, "Hey, let's do this and only this." Even when it came to near my death, I offered the pro-town opportunity of jailing me and lynching one of my fellow mafia: two birds with one stone. Town didn't take it, but I put that opportunity out there even as I was dying - knowing that even if I'd been jailed my life would end very shortly after. I couldn't outwardly state how that worked to town's advantage, because I'd have been betraying my mafia brethren in the process, but I still put all the clues out there for the town to put together themselves.

As a town member in mini mafia, I felt I had to hold back a lot to stay out of the mafia's radar: (1) I was a detective, and important to town; (2) I couldn't speak and further discussion if I was dead, could I? But if you look at scum chat, they almost killed me night one despite how little I posted. They didn't even seem to think I was blue: they just didn't want me around!​

I would appreciate the protection of the mayoral role because I feel I would be able to put every single thought forward if I was protected at night. More than that, I'd be happy to put your suspicions forward on your behalf if for any reason you're scared to speak yourself. I know this wouldn't protect me from a lynch, but I would hope you would find no reason to lynch me.

Finally, those I was in a PM circle with in mini mafia would know I was very careful about who I revealed my role to. I am of the "trust no one" mentality until a person's role is confirmed - but I am happy to talk to anyone. I would never upright ask, "what's your role?" nor would I expect you to role-claim to me. If you want to know how I think a blue role should act during the night, I would take a page out of Karla's book and give a general public overview.

More than this, what I want to say is that if I were mayor I would encourage discussion. This is what has been lacking the past two games: active, pubic discussion - and I think we need more of it. I think our concerns should be more public than they have been of late. It frustrated me as mafia and it frustrated me even more as a blue role last game: I tried to encourage conversation, but people wouldn't respond and I felt like I had to act independently until other roles were confirmed. If I were mayor, I'd try to eliminate that alienation: more than that, I would try and answer questions before you could make them: so as not to expose your roles either to myself or others until they are confirmed.

To summarise, if I were mayor I would:

• contribute to the best of my ability
• actively work to protect our blue roles without them needing to reveal themselves to me
• encourage public, active discussion to keep the game interesting and to help blue roles feel more like a team right from the very beginning

 

[Superpenguin]

Kippla was still alive! As I said, it looked as if Karla still had some sort of doubts over the lynn/Kippla lynch, meaning that he could have lynched Kippla instead of Hikari the inactive.

Yet they went for Hikari. That says something about where they believed Kippla was aligned, doesn't it?

But anyway, to get off this debate, I actually do support inactive lynches. However, since vigs now have more than one shot, I believe it to be wiser to let a vig take out an inactive with one of their shots, especially if the vig is scared or clueless to shoot.

 

[BlueLeaf]

I'd like to ask this somewhat cheesy question to the running. It comes from a book I'm currently reading (Divergent).

Which out of five virtues do you value the most?
Honesty - Lies should be only used when it benefits you and others.
Selflessness - Not super selfless, but keeping others safe and protected.
Brave - Bring in discussions, able to share your thoughts confidently.
Peace - Keep things under control, let others do what they want as long as it benefits you and others.
Intelligence - Make detailed plans and suspicions, support your statements with hard evidence.

I'd just like to predict your behavior as Mayor, if that doesn't sound creepy. If we just vote for a Mayor without a clear idea of their objectives and future behavior, then we'll be inso me trouble.

 

[iLoveYou]

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I am running for Mayor as I believe that I am well suited for the role and can strongly benefit town. I am in no way asking any of you to trust me when I say that I am sided with town.

The Mayor role just gives me night protection. Which, to be honest, if I were mafia, I wouldn't need at all. You all can still lynch me whenever and if ever you feel I am suspicious.

Well, If you were Mafia you would need the protection from night kills that can be done from Town's side (Vigilantes). I know it's not like Game #2 where the Mafia had to hide from the Mad Hatter + Vigilantes. Another reason why Mafia would try going after the Mayor role would be to prevent anyone else from getting that protection. I'm sure the Mafia do not want to go through the hassle of first finding that bodyguard amongst the Town players. It's better for the Mafia to take that spot so no Town member get protected from night kills. Especially if the Town member that gets elected is a useful blue role. It's all about delaying the other side for as long as possible. Even if we have a safe exit near by (lynch mayor if acting suspicious) it doesn't necessarily mean that it's easy to do .. especially with 19 different Town minds to convince.

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However, in this version of the game, the voting is set up differently. It uses a majority lynch. Which means once a player gets enough votes, Day is over; there is nothing you can do after that. My vote, when you think about it, still counts twice for this game. But if the majority does not agree with me, then it doesn't really mean anything. In all honesty, I don't have as much power over you guys as mayor as you may think I do.

There is no reason to worry about electing scum for mayor. Besides, I think I made it pretty clear in game III how I play as scum. Being mayor wouldn't change my behavior, so you'll will still be able to pick up on it.

My problem here is simply that Town players do not have a good record with the official roles, in terms of trust. For some reason we all tend to believe them right away no matter how many times they put emphasis on "do not trust me right away". I can only hope that Town players would have learned by now not to throw themselves at the Mayor.

Even though what you said about your behaviour is true, I'm sure by now you may have taken the time to improve on obvious tells. I personally won't be relying on your behavioural tells for this game, as chances are you may have improved and learned from previous mistakes.

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Now, why should you vote for me as mayor? It's simple, really. While I am fairly quick to judge people, and make assumptions, I have been getting better at Mafia. In Mini Mafia, during a PM exchange with Superpenguin, while I made a few false assumptions, I certainly didn't trust him entirely, even though I probably should have Trust is the top priority in my campaign. I would like to be able to believe everything I am told, whether it be from the NKVD Officer rolecheck you give me, or your claims that someone killed over the night was your Cheka Commissar shot.

I can and will look back through previous games and meticulously comb over your posts to see if your behavior under a certain role in the past game matches up with your behavior under a certain role in this game.

What if an innocent Town player has decided to change their gameplay? Some of us in Mini Mafia saw BellBringerGreen dramatically change his gameplay and he died an innocent Townie. You have to keep that into consideration as well.

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So, as you all probably know, today is going to be slow. :/

I see Oath is running for mayor. I'm still not sure who to vote for, as in mafia III, we trusted the elected officials fully, and then prompty died. -_- We should all keep out wits about us. We need to noy trust anybody, as any one of us talking right now could be mafia.

Again, as Oath states, we need to stop the 'annoyance' lynches. Almost every time, they are town.

I'm NOT running for mayor as (AHEM) nobody would vote for me anyways, and that is a true fact xD

Why are you only pointing out that Oath2Order is running for mayor? Superpenguin's post is right above his. I really doubt you missed Superpenguin's post.

 

[Superpenguin]

I'd like to ask this somewhat cheesy question to the running. It comes from a book I'm currently reading (Divergent).

Which out of five virtues do you value the most?
Honesty - Lies should be only used when it benefits you and others.
Selflessness - Not super selfless, but keeping others safe and protected.
Brave - Bring in discussions, able to share your thoughts confidently.
Peace - Keep things under control, let others do what they want as long as it benefits you and others.
Intelligence - Make detailed plans and suspicions, support your statements with hard evidence.

I'd just like to predict your behavior as Mayor, if that doesn't sound creepy. If we just vote for a Mayor without a clear idea of their objectives and future behavior, then we'll be inso me trouble.

In this game of mafia, I value Intelligence in being a mayor. Hard evidence is what convinces people and the more detailed your posts the better.

If I am not elected, then I value Selflessness as a non-mayor. In Game II, I actually told Kayla and Trundle that they should just risk me dying; let me relay the suspicions to the thread; let me become targeted by the mafia, because I figured that since I was a shotless vig at that time, I had less value than they did.

 

[Chris]

I'd like to ask this somewhat cheesy question to the running. It comes from a book I'm currently reading (Divergent).

Which out of five virtues do you value the most?
Honesty - Lies should be only used when it benefits you and others.
Selflessness - Not super selfless, but keeping others safe and protected.
Brave - Bring in discussions, able to share your thoughts confidently.
Peace - Keep things under control, let others do what they want as long as it benefits you and others.
Intelligence - Make detailed plans and suspicions, support your statements with hard evidence.

I'd just like to predict your behavior as Mayor, if that doesn't sound creepy. If we just vote for a Mayor without a clear idea of their objectives and future behavior, then we'll be inso me trouble.

We can only pick one?

For this game in particular it would be selflessness. The downfall in most of the games has been town members being too trusting. I'd encourage everyone to be on their guard 100% of the time until roles are confirmed - and even then they should withhold information if they think that a confirmed role may trust mafia. I made that mistake last game: I trusted iLoveYou but she told VillageDweller my role. I'm confident I could coordinate town and bring us to victory even without anyone having to reveal their role to me.

 

[Blu Rose]

Oh, gosh, really forgot about this thread...
I was building a snowman...

Anyways, I guess I'm stepping down from running in the Mayoral candidacy.
Either oath or SP would win anyways...

 

[oath2order]

I'd like to ask this somewhat cheesy question to the running. It comes from a book I'm currently reading (Divergent).

Which out of five virtues do you value the most?
Honesty - Lies should be only used when it benefits you and others.
Selflessness - Not super selfless, but keeping others safe and protected.
Brave - Bring in discussions, able to share your thoughts confidently.
Peace - Keep things under control, let others do what they want as long as it benefits you and others.
Intelligence - Make detailed plans and suspicions, support your statements with hard evidence.

I'd just like to predict your behavior as Mayor, if that doesn't sound creepy. If we just vote for a Mayor without a clear idea of their objectives and future behavior, then we'll be inso me trouble.

If I am not elected, then I will value intelligence. The mayor is a powerful position. They can safely make claims and suggest people for lynch without fear of nighttime retribution. I would want to be able to convince the town and mayor who we should be voting for. I would intend on doing this in private so I can be safe while giving the mayor my suggestions.

If I am elected mayor, then I value honesty over the others. I want people to trust me. While I don't want everybody rushing to me roleclaiming, I certainly would hope that if I am planning to lynch someone later in the game, that they would trust me enough to say "No, I rolechecked this person/am a mason, don't lynch them." I don't want blind trust in our elected role.

Oh, gosh, really forgot about this thread...
I was building a snowman...

Anyways, I guess I'm stepping down from running in the Mayoral candidacy.
Either oath or SP would win anyways...

Tina has a chance to win too. And coming in with a self-defeating attitude isn't going to help any.

 

[BlueLeaf]

Alright, thank you for your responses! For any other people considering to run, I'd like them to answer my question as well. I won't be sharing the virtue I value most, to avoid people just choosing my answer to earn my vote.

Blu Rose: So you're going to be like Beary and completely ignore the fact that Tina ran?

 

[Beary]

Alright, thank you for your responses! For any other people considering to run, I'd like them to answer my question as well. I won't be sharing the virtue I value most, to avoid people just choosing my answer to earn my vote.

Blu Rose: So you're going to be like Beary and completely ignore the fact that Tina ran?

I posted that post at school, sorry. I didn't have time to check all the posts.

Tina sounds like a good mayor to me.
I'm not that good at decisions, so I'm going to wait and see if anythinh else comes up.

 

[BellGreen]

Hmm, three candidates is actually quite good when they post their campaigns near the beginning so others don't rehash their ideas.
I have a question to the running:

1) If you have just revealed information to a former non-suspicion and they now have became suspicious to you, how will you deal with it without causing any more damage to the Town?

 

[Mary]

What does Divergent have to do with this?

with all of this "assuring us not to worry about scum mayors" business, I believe that at least one of the mayoral candidates is scum.

 

[BlueLeaf]

What does Divergent have to do with this?

with all of this "assuring us not to worry about scum mayors" business, I believe that at least one of the mayoral candidates is scum.

It's just a question. Is that too big of a deal? I'm not trying to start a discussion on a book here. Anyway, I'd like to ask you. What aspect of the candidates make them seem like scum? I'm not trying to defend them, but I'd just like to know.

 

[Chris]

Hmm, three candidates is actually quite good when they post their campaigns near the beginning so others don't rehash their ideas.
I have a question to the running:

1) If you have just revealed information to a former non-suspicion and they now have became suspicious to you, how will you deal with it without causing any more damage to the Town?

The wording baffles me somewhat: are you asking about revealing information early on to someone you later suspect?

My plan is to not reveal any information privately that I wouldn't mind being revealed publicly later. Likewise, I would say that anyone who contacts me should expect that I'm not going to keep their information 100% confidential: if I'm in contact with a confirmed role then, yes, I might pass that information on to them if it is of benefit to the town for what they've said to be passed on.

For that reason, I would be cautious (and encourage everyone else to be too) to an extent. Overall if I were mayor my main goal is not protecting myself (the role would protect me from the mafia); it would be to protect the town.

My objective is that if there is someone I trust early on who later is revealed to be mafia then they wouldn't have gotten any information from me that could be useful to the scum team. If/When I begin to suspect them, I won't need to change my play style if that's how I've been playing all along: so even if I suspect them they won't be able to tell when I start to suspect them. That way I can keep accumulating evidence to forward to town later.

 

[Blu Rose]

Sorry, I just caught up with all the posts...

 

[EpicGamer12]

I would like to put my own name in for consideration.

I would appreciate the protection of the mayoral role because I feel I would be able to put every single thought forward if I was protected at night. More than that, I'd be happy to put your suspicions forward on your behalf if for any reason you're scared to speak yourself. I know this wouldn't protect me from a lynch, but I would hope you would find no reason to lynch me.

Finally, those I was in a PM circle with in mini mafia would know I was very careful about who I revealed my role to. I am of the "trust no one" mentality until a person's role is confirmed - but I am happy to talk to anyone. I would never upright ask, "what's your role?" nor would I expect you to role-claim to me. If you want to know how I think a blue role should act during the night, I would take a page out of Karla's book and give a general public overview.

More than this, what I want to say is that if I were mayor I would encourage discussion. This is what has been lacking the past two games: active, pubic discussion - and I think we need more of it. I think our concerns should be more public than they have been of late. It frustrated me as mafia and it frustrated me even more as a blue role last game: I tried to encourage conversation, but people wouldn't respond and I felt like I had to act independently until other roles were confirmed. If I were mayor, I'd try to eliminate that alienation: more than that, I would try and answer questions before you could make them: so as not to expose your roles either to myself or others until they are confirmed.

To summarise, if I were mayor I would:

• contribute to the best of my ability
• actively work to protect our blue roles without them needing to reveal themselves to me
• encourage public, active discussion to keep the game interesting and to help blue roles feel more like a team right from the very beginning

I really like what Tina is saying here. Especially with the whole "putting every thought forward" during the night and her offer to put up suspicions for those who may be too afraid to post due to not wanting to be killed. I had actually thought about this tactic in previous games but never ended up using them. I also enjoy that she doesn't trust anyone (until proven). Being wary is what will help win games, while being open and trusting of everyone is what will give the blue roles to the mafia.
Lastly, I like that you will be encouraging a lot of active discussion. Lack of discussion drove me crazy last game so I had to rely on votes and kills in order to kill the mafia. (For example, Horus, Superpenguin, oath2order, and lynn105 all voting for the same people). I feel like a lot of active discussion will be a good way to figure out if someone is mafia. If people are reluctant to post a lot, it shows they have something to hide (most of the time) and are trying not to slip up. At the moment, it looks like my vote will be going towards Tina, and Superpenguin would be my second choice.

 

[Mary]

It's just a question. Is that too big of a deal? I'm not trying to start a discussion on a book here. Anyway, I'd like to ask you. What aspect of the candidates make them seem like scum? I'm not trying to defend them, but I'd just like to know.

Just the emphasis on not worrying. Complacency is deadly. Right now this is based mainly on SP.

 

[Byngo]

I'd like to ask all the candidates a question: if you're elected, will you base you're first lynch candidate on reasons other than inactive-ness, because quite frankly, I think lynching someone based solely on being inactive is a weak reason. An inactive townie would be more beneficial for town than an active mafia, correct?

(Sorry if a similar question has been asked with replies from the candidates, because I have only read the campaign posts. I haven't read the in-between stuff. Also, this question is aimed towards everyone, but I'd like to SP to reply because he seems to be set in lynching an inactive.) I may be putting too much pressure on the mayor, because the first lynch is always a hard one, but I thought I'd put my question out there~

 

[oath2order]

I'd like to ask all the candidates a question: if you're elected, will you base you're first lynch candidate on reasons other than inactive-ness, because quite frankly, I think lynching someone based solely on being inactive is a weak reason. An inactive townie would be more beneficial for town than an active mafia, correct?

Yes. I'm going start discussion with the town. Ask people why they shouldn't be lynched. Compare it to previous game discussion, and base it off of that.

 

[EpicGamer12]

I'd like to ask all the candidates a question: if you're elected, will you base you're first lynch candidate on reasons other than inactive-ness, because quite frankly, I think lynching someone based solely on being inactive is a weak reason. An inactive townie would be more beneficial for town than an active mafia, correct?

(Sorry if a similar question has been asked with replies from the candidates, because I have only read the campaign posts. I haven't read the in-between stuff. Also, this question is aimed towards everyone, but I'd like to SP to reply because he seems to be set in lynching an inactive.) I may be putting too much pressure on the mayor, because the first lynch is always a hard one, but I thought I'd put my question out there~

I'm not sure what people expect. First Day lynches statistically won't go well no matter how good of a player is leader. Lynching an inactive is honestly a good way to get rid of someone who isn't going to contribute in the game, and will only cause controversy later. Unless there's head-on proof they're town, lynching them seems fine.
Also, I lynched Foxwolf64 last game. I didn't regret it one bit. I'm convinced that I helped the town out a ton. He was always accusing at any whim possible and was a major inconvenience for the town. His early game accusations of Karla were stupid, not thoughtful, and were a perfect example of a townie who really doesn't know how to be a townie.