Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

with all of this "assuring us not to worry about scum mayors" business, I believe that at least one of the mayoral candidates is scum.

Actually, I somewhat agree.
I think that SP could be scum...
Because SuperPenguin started questioning oath2order's mayoral post precisely ten minutes after oath2order posted, and was even the first to do so.
But, I would not be surprised if I were wrong.

Also, Trundle, why would you be reluctant to run this game when you were so successful last game?
 
Also, Trundle, why would you be reluctant to run this game when you were so successful last game?

Because I wasn't successful last game. I did terrible. The only mafia I really found were Lynn105 and Horus, when Karla already had suspicion on Horus anyways. I analyzed the votes of a certain lynching and realized 4 people voted exactly the same, both for players who I knew to be town. It was clear to me they were mafia, so Karla and I took them out. Aside from that, I didn't really do much that game. I was sick for more than half of it with a bad cough and flu and couldn't think straight. Overall, I was very passive as a mayor and Karla did mostly everything for me.
 
Because I wasn't successful last game. I did terrible. The only mafia I really found were Lynn105 and Horus, when Karla already had suspicion on Horus anyways. I analyzed the votes of a certain lynching and realized 4 people voted exactly the same, both for players who I knew to be town. It was clear to me they were mafia, so Karla and I took them out. Aside from that, I didn't really do much that game. I was sick for more than half of it with a bad cough and flu and couldn't think straight. Overall, I was very passive as a mayor and Karla did mostly everything for me.

Well, I meant in the election. You could probably do much better this game...
 
Well, I meant in the election. You could probably do much better this game...

Just because I did good in an election doesn't mean I should run again. The point of the election is to get someone who will be a good leader throughout the game, not to just win an election for the sake of it.
 
Just because I did good in an election doesn't mean I should run again. The point of the election is to get someone who will be a good leader throughout the game, not to just win an election for the sake of it.

Here, let me rephrase that:
You could probably do much better as mayor this game, because you aren't sick, right?
 
Here, let me rephrase that:
You could probably do much better as mayor this game, because you aren't sick, right?

Oh my god, this isn't about to turn into what happened to me in Mafia III, with me pushing for VillageDweller, is it?
 
It might.
Except for one flaw: I'm not Mafia.

That's exactly what I said in Game III. I nominated and pushed for VD, he was apprehensive about it, just like you are with Trundle. I'm not accusing you of scum, I'm pointing out a similarity between games.
 
It might.
Except for one flaw: I'm not Mafia.

That's exactly what I said in Game III. I nominated and pushed for VD, he was apprehensive about it, just like you are with Trundle. I'm not accusing you of scum, I'm pointing out a similarity between games.
 
It might.
Except for one flaw: I'm not Mafia.

You seem very stuck on getting Trundle to go on campaign and obviously you wouldn't go through this much trouble to post 1-2 liners in the span of about 10 minutes. So why are you so set on Trundle anyways? There are past candidates that aren't campaigning this game so you can pretty much direct your posts to anyone of those people with a few small tweaks and it would be the same.
 
Here, let me rephrase that:
You could probably do much better as mayor this game, because you aren't sick, right?

Umm possibly but I do have 4-5 exams in the next two weeks so I'll be a bit busy. Please stop, I would have ran if I wanted to.

- - - Post Merge - - -

Here, let me rephrase that:
You could probably do much better as mayor this game, because you aren't sick, right?

Umm possibly but I do have 4-5 exams in the next two weeks so I'll be a bit busy. P
 
I feel like the Mafia aren't going to push for any specific member to run though. Let's not forget that now the Godfather doesn't actually have to run themselves. They can literally sit back & watch as any other random Mafia member runs, only to pass on their Godfather role to them later. They don't even have to publicly encourage their Mafia team mates to run since they have access to the Mafia chat.
 
That's exactly what I said in Game III. I nominated and pushed for VD, he was apprehensive about it, just like you are with Trundle. I'm not accusing you of scum, I'm pointing out a similarity between games.

Oh, okay.

You seem very stuck on getting Trundle to go on campaign and obviously you wouldn't go through this much trouble to post 1-2 liners in the span of about 10 minutes. So why are you so set on Trundle anyways? There are past candidates that aren't campaigning this game so you can pretty much direct your posts to anyone of those people with a few small tweaks and it would be the same.

I'm set on Trundle because I believe he could lead us Bolsheviks to get the White Russians nailed to a wall.
And, I played on the game Trundle was mayor, so... he just stands out most to me.

Lastly, Trundle, okay. Sorry for putting you in the spotlight.
 
I would like Mary to explain her early vote for Oath2Order. I feel like, at this moment, it is too early to really judge well and I want to hear the opinions she has on him.
 
I would like Mary to explain her early vote for Oath2Order. I feel like, at this moment, it is too early to really judge well and I want to hear the opinions she has on him.
You get your wish.
I am worried that SP is mafia. ( Reasons above.) Honestly, I think Oath and Tina would both make strong Mayors. Oath is an experienced player and seems to know the ways of the mafia well. I might change my vote later.
 
You get your wish.
I am worried that SP is mafia. ( Reasons above.) Honestly, I think Oath and Tina would both make strong Mayors. Oath is an experienced player and seems to know the ways of the mafia well. I might change my vote later.

Actually, I'm afraid you never actually posted any reasons, you only subtly said that you were afraid of candidates being scum and in a post afterwards you said mostly SP. Could we have clarification?
 
After what happened in the elections during Mafia III, it's a bit discouraging to want to run for Mayor again. I do have interest in the role of Mayor, but I'm actually not feeling anything except for lethargy, at the moment. I'm probably going to call it an early night and just sleep on the idea. I'll be reviewing the speeches from the candidates tomorrow morning/afternoon whenever I get off work. Hopefully you all won't be too set on a Mayor so early in the game and give me a chance when and if I decide to make it official.
 
Of course. Basically, he stressed that we don't need to worry about scum mayors. This automatically sets off alarm bells in my head. Why wouldn't we need to worry? If he is scum, he would want us to be confident in the innocence of our leader, right? Like I said, complacency is the way to die. As far as I'm concerned, one cannot worry too much when playing Mafia.

Also, I would like to confirm my role.

I am a Townie. Believe it or not.
 
Well, If you were Mafia you would need the protection from night kills that can be done from Town's side (Vigilantes). I know it's not like Game #2 where the Mafia had to hide from the Mad Hatter + Vigilantes. Another reason why Mafia would try going after the Mayor role would be to prevent anyone else from getting that protection. I'm sure the Mafia do not want to go through the hassle of first finding that bodyguard amongst the Town players. It's better for the Mafia to take that spot so no Town member get protected from night kills. Especially if the Town member that gets elected is a useful blue role. It's all about delaying the other side for as long as possible. Even if we have a safe exit near by (lynch mayor if acting suspicious) it doesn't necessarily mean that it's easy to do .. especially with 19 different Town minds to convince.

Chances are that a vig will not successfully shoot mafia or even shoot at all. They have no one to trust right now and are going to be firing blindly into a crowd of twenty-two. Plus, why would the mafia even try running this game? The first election, people just carried the two mafia elects to their positions. The second election when mafia was attempting to get elected, it was instantly called out. I don't see it happening. Only one body guard to kill makes it kind of easy for the mafia to not try in the election and still win the game while staying hidden, tbh.

iLoveYou said:
My problem here is simply that Town players do not have a good record with the official roles, in terms of trust. For some reason we all tend to believe them right away no matter how many times they put emphasis on "do not trust me right away". I can only hope that Town players would have learned by now not to throw themselves at the Mayor.

Even though what you said about your behaviour is true, I'm sure by now you may have taken the time to improve on obvious tells. I personally won't be relying on your behavioural tells for this game, as chances are you may have improved and learned from previous mistakes.

Chances are if you reveal your role to me, I am not even going to trust you anyway. And okay if you're really set on trusting the electeds, don't JUST PM them. PM someone else that you can trust and tell them everything you tell the mayor and actually tell them that you are talking with the mayor. And if you ever reveal your role to the mayor without 100% trusting them, tell someone else. That way if you're killed during the night, that person will get highly suspicious of the mayor.

1) If you have just revealed information to a former non-suspicion and they now have became suspicious to you, how will you deal with it without causing any more damage to the Town?

I seriously hate "what if..." scenarios as 95% of the time, they never even come true. Yet the can be the determining factor of an event, nonetheless. However, to answer your question, depending how suspicious I am of them, I'd tell someone about it, get advice on what to do about it, and probably end up lynching that person.

I really like what Tina is saying here. Especially with the whole "putting every thought forward" during the night and her offer to put up suspicions for those who may be too afraid to post due to not wanting to be killed.

You do realize that someone coming to her telling her to inform the town of their own suspicions is a huge BLUE FLAG, right? This is not a good idea unless you trust the mayor.

I'd like to ask all the candidates a question: if you're elected, will you base you're first lynch candidate on reasons other than inactive-ness, because quite frankly, I think lynching someone based solely on being inactive is a weak reason. An inactive townie would be more beneficial for town than an active mafia, correct?

I would lynch an inactive if the Town fails to put up a name or there is no clear choice. An inactive is VERY harmful to town. The mafia isn't targeting inactives, so eventually the game would be ruled by inactives that would just follow the only people left talking...the mafia. It's best to get the inactives out early so they know this behavior isn't tolerated.

Actually, I somewhat agree.
I think that SP could be scum...
Because SuperPenguin started questioning oath2order's mayoral post precisely ten minutes after oath2order posted, and was even the first to do so.
But, I would not be surprised if I were wrong.

I questioned his post early because I was online at that time, so I was able to post. I wasn't going to just wait around five hours and come back to post about it just to seem less suspicious.

Yes, I could very well be scum. So could Tina, so could Oath.

I'm set on Trundle because I believe he could lead us Bolsheviks to get the White Russians nailed to a wall.
And, I played on the game Trundle was mayor, so... he just stands out most to me.

Tell me how Trundle was a good mayor and how he actually led you last game. 'Cause I didn't see him do anything.

You get your wish.
I am worried that SP is mafia. ( Reasons above.)

Believe it or not, I already hinted at my role in an earlier post.

Of course. Basically, he stressed that we don't need to worry about scum mayors. This automatically sets off alarm bells in my head. Why wouldn't we need to worry? If he is scum, he would want us to be confident in the innocence of our leader, right? Like I said, complacency is the way to die. As far as I'm concerned, one cannot worry too much when playing Mafia.

You don't need to worry about scum mayors, cause they are still just a player! Lynching them is just as easy. Just because someone is elected doesn't mean you all have to blindly follow them like sheep! Honestly, I don't want you to be confident of my innocence. Confidence leads to carelessness. The more weary you are of the mayor, the better. This will prevent roleclaims that shouldn't be happening without full trust.
 
Well, he stands out to me due to the fact that his plan was pretty good last game, and that he also was mayor the one time I played.

It's kind of like a mother relationship. You consider them your mother, but only because they took care of you. Rather, they were the only thing you had.
 
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