Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]

[BellGreen]

i know you're mafia this game

i know you're mafia this game

May I ask how you know if it is still Night 1? I feel like you just want to get me to say something strange.

hold on I was preparing

If I were to compare your posts from this game and last game, to the untrained eye, they are very similar. In reality, there are two main differences between them.
In game III you were town, and you put in your opinion on many different people whenever you got the chance. You were actually contributing to discussion. This game you are being very selective with what you comment about. I noticed you commented once on Fireninja1 and Mary ordeal, but you aren't much for giving your opinions about much else.
Unfortunately, I know that you're scum. I'm always right about my hunches. Unless you can roleclaim otherwise, I'm keeping you high up in my suspicions.

I, as well as Laurina, would like to see what other things Trundle has said about other people in private. It may help Town tremendously.

 

[Beary]

I'm sorry that my choice of wording and good grammar lead you to susect me Luna. I like to use fun words rather then boring ones.

 

[Blu Rose]

Spoiler: Some of my conversation with SuperPenguin

[19:26] <Superpenguin> Basically what are your thoughts on this whole new BBG and Blu Rose thing
[19:30] <Laurina> I haven't seem much of BBG posts. Want to fill me in on that? As for Blu Rose, I see him as just being himself. I don't like the fact that his name is listed for the Detective to check. In the past games, he always gave me a suspicious vibe, sure. But he's not a threat whatsoever. I saw BBG "defending" for Blu with the Role Play thing, but I don't see why that'd be a problem. If he isn't checked, and becomes inactive I don't see why a Vig shouldn't take care of if (assuming they've been keeping track of who's aligned with who and shooting someone they can't read late in the game).
[19:31] <Laurina> Just like Mary, I see Blu as a safty net. A player someone can easily build a case against him when there's noone else to throw out there.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> It's just odd that BBG would need to post FOR Blu Rose, plus this is a similar tactic lynn and I used when we were mafia.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> That's how I view Blu Rose as well.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> I mean this is no reason to lynch either one of them, but it definitely sets a suspicious vibe for me on BBG.
[19:33] <Superpenguin> Well, I trust Blu is a townie, and looking at that Detective list of Tina
[19:34] <Superpenguin> It seems like it's at least half-filled with Townies

**The rest of our conversation was about the approach of his mayor campaign and how the Day 1 lynch went down and what could have been done differently, how it unraveled, what we should have done(bait)

Sorry for spamming, I would just like to say one thing.

My God, I feel so loved.

 

[BlueLeaf]

I had a chat with Trundle on the IRC. I didn't c/p our convos, so here is as much as I can remember:

Note: I think this convos happened before BBG's scummy posts, so that's why I said he doesn't yell scummy to me.

Trundle: What are your thoughts on BBG this game?
Me: His pro-town quality in his posts has dropped. He hasn't yelled scummy to me as of now.
Trundle: What about Tom?
Me: He has contributed to the discussion of SP, which I'll move away from. Also - I don't have a personal opinion on anybody since all the info I know is from the thread. This is because I haven't received a PM from anybody yet.
Trundle: Alright, thanks for your input.
Trundle: (Forgot how he worded it, but he said he was going to die.)

Nothing useful. As of now, I have never received a PM from somebody. Anyway, I don't know why he brought up Tom out of all people. Tom, did Trundle ever communicate with you?

 

[Trent the Paladin]

Very sad to see Trundle, SuperPenguin and Oath2order all die. .-. All three were strong players and we could definitely use their help here.

I'm hesitant on who we should lynch, BellBringerGreen seems the most ideal but seeing as Trundle posted his accusation publicly, I think we should put him on the back-burner for now and let a vig or det deal with him.

Beary has never been the strongest player so I'm not terribly sure what to think of her. :/

Fireninja was being thrown around too? It's possible he's scum, but I seriously doubt he knew Mary was bodyguard before the others did.

Can we prod some of the lurkers into talking more?

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I sent Trundle a message on the IRC last night when he called BellBringerGreen out, asking if he cared to share his thoughts. I didn't save it as it didn't take off (he was probably relaying information to Kuma at the time) but I'll try to recreate it.

Tom: What makes you think BBG is scum?
Trundle: Hold on, I'm kinda busy at the moment.
Tom: Oh ok.

That's essentially what it was, it was more or less four to five lines of chat that never really got off the ground. He mentioned being busy I think, possibly something about being sloppy and possibly that he'd get back to me? Nothing truly of use, sorry folks.

 

[Gandalf]

Few suspicions floating around but for now I just want to focus on Blu Rose

Has any DT checked Tina? If so, please PM me, unless if you feel I am suspicious, or maybe get to that later, on Night 2. I feel that it is of utmost importance that we rolecheck the Mayor, even if they are acting extremely innocent.

I'm fairly certain that it has been agreed on in the past that this is just about the worst thing a detective can do. Asking them to roleclaim while trying to relieve suspicions always sets off alarm bells for me. Can't ignore the fact though that Trundle made a very similar appeal in the last game in regard to Veterans revealing themselves via pm. In Trundle's case that was just the move of a tired Town player, but taking into account the posts above, I still can't help but feel that here it is something more.

This definitely doesn't do anything though to dissolve theory (1) in which someone is trying to frame Tina, that possible someone being Blu Rose and a couple of others yet to show their faces. Lets not forget the post he made in regard to Tina.

To top it all off, she wasn't killed on Night 1, despite (in my opinion) being better than oath2order. As she had no bodyguard, she was vulnerable, and also her death would lead to a lot of people being crestfallen...
#sosalty, why did you die!

Either that, or this could be an attempt to frame beary509.

To me, this does not sound like a townie observation. More so something developed in scum chat in regard to day 2 activity. Immediately switching from a well thought out allegation to something you might consider safer or more common in Beary509 is also a scum tactic in my opinion to come off innocent.

What i'm trying to say here is that detectives, don't reveal yourselves. Not to Blue Rose and not to anyone.

 

[Blu Rose]

Few suspicions floating around but for now I just want to focus on Blu Rose



I'm fairly certain that it has been agreed on in the past that this is just about the worst thing a detective can do. Asking them to roleclaim while trying to relieve suspicions always sets off alarm bells for me. Can't ignore the fact though that Trundle made a very similar appeal in the last game in regard to Veterans revealing themselves via pm. In Trundle's case that was just the move of a tired Town player, but taking into account the posts above, I still can't help but feel that here it is something more.

This definitely doesn't do anything though to dissolve theory (1) in which someone is trying to frame Tina, that possible someone being Blu Rose and a couple of others yet to show their faces. Lets not forget the post he made in regard to Tina.



To me, this does not sound like a townie observation. More so something developed in scum chat in regard to day 2 activity. Immediately switching from a well thought out allegation to something you might consider safer or more common in Beary509 is also a scum tactic in my opinion to come off innocent.

What i'm trying to say here is that detectives, don't reveal yourselves. Not to Blue Rose and not to anyone.

Well, I didn't get any DT PMs. But, I said, "If you feel I am suspicious, don't do it."
Obviously, I'm a little suspicious, and it is just like TBT: Mafia III. Well, except I don't think I am a Miller this time.
Also, I still think that Detectives should at least check me, but whatever. They don't absolutely have to. It's not necessary, just suggested, and I know I am a Townie, no more, no less.

1. My well-thought out allegation was pretty much tossed aside. It is still true that it could also have been an attempt to frame beary, and, actually, I think that is what is happening, to tell the truth.

2. If a Vigilante wants to waste their shot on me, if Town wants to lynch me, then go ahead. You'll either waste a shot, or you will waste a day's work, all to kill an innocent.

3. It may be a scum tactic. But, how would I know that? I'm not scum, nor have I been, and, yes, I have read the previous games. I don't think that any of the previous users have used that specific tactic mentioned, and, the only people that did turned out to be innocent, if at all.

If anything, I was--and still am--coming off as supicious to some people. Actually, Detectives, even if you were planning on it, don't PM me with your role.

 

[Farobi]

Blu rose, thats quite an interesting post you got there, it's like a completely different person wrote it, but still with a touch of your writing flavor. Now tell us, who was the infleunce of the way you wrote that post? Or did you just, all of a sudden, improve?

And why would the detective tell anyone they didnt check their role? Its like the most intimidating Blue role for the mafia. I suggest the DT to just lay low and not be a target for the Mafia- but not for the Town as well.

 

[unravel]

*** I maybe right or wrong and also expect for typos and crap (not confident to post this so here goes) ***​

I'm a bit nervous about who will be killed. I guess the only thing to do is sit tight and make conspiracies.

Wait, what? Conspiracies?

The word sounded more fun the thinking. x3

I hadn't thought much if that until I realized: Wait, thinking? "I guess the only thing to do is sit sight and make thinking"? That makes no sense.
Is it possible that using the word 'conspiracy' is a slip up made by a White Conspirator?
Keep in mind this is not an full on accusation, just an observation I am making.

beary509 was dismissed after I cross-referenced her posts with her online activity on the entire forum. But this doesn't mean she's not mafia - it just means that she's making an effort to post whenever she's online. I can confirm both Superpenguin and oath2order suspected beary509.​

I will keep on eye on beary509, we are not so sure if she slip up or not though her action is kinda weird for me if you ask me.

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Well hello there Blu Rose it seems you're improving or is it just obvious you ask someone to make a post for you eh?

Well, I didn't get any DT PMs. But, I said, "If you feel I am suspicious, don't do it."
Obviously, I'm a little suspicious, and it is just like TBT: Mafia III. Well, except I don't think I am a Miller this time.
Also, I still think that Detectives should at least check me, but whatever. They don't absolutely have to. It's not necessary, just suggested, and I know I am a Townie, no more, no less.

1. My well-thought out allegation was pretty much tossed aside. It is still true that it could also have been an attempt to frame beary, and, actually, I think that is what is happening, to tell the truth.

2. If a Vigilante wants to waste their shot on me, if Town wants to lynch me, then go ahead. You'll either waste a shot, or you will waste a day's work, all to kill an innocent.

3. It may be a scum tactic. But, how would I know that? I'm not scum, nor have I been, and, yes, I have read the previous games. I don't think that any of the previous users have used that specific tactic mentioned, and, the only people that did turned out to be innocent, if at all.

If anything, I was--and still am--coming off as supicious to some people. Actually, Detectives, even if you were planning on it, don't PM me with your role.

Blu rose, thats quite an interesting post you got there, it's like a completely different person wrote it, but still with a touch of your writing flavor. Now tell us, who was the infleunce of the way you wrote that post? Or did you just, all of a sudden, improve?

And why would the detective tell anyone they didnt check their role? Its like the most intimidating Blue role for the mafia. I suggest the DT to just lay low and not be a target for the Mafia- but not for the Town as well.

And also

Has any DT checked Tina? If so, please PM me, unless if you feel I am suspicious, or maybe get to that later, on Night 2. I feel that it is of utmost importance that we rolecheck the Mayor, even if they are acting extremely innocent.

Which reminds me in Mafia II seriously I find it stupid revealing his/her role to you, already gave an advise in Mafia III remember? don't tell your role to anyone this is the scummy-ish thing you did there Blu.

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As for Fireninja I'm suspecting her for pushing Mary to hard remember guys he is part of DT list

Detectives

• FireNinja1
• oath2order
• Superpenguin

and have you notice this?

Superpenguin the Reformed Bourgeoisie is dead.
Trundle the Party Elite is dead.
oath2order the Revolutionary is dead.

They pick trundle because he is one of the good players and come to think of it.
could be that fireninja is a scum or one of the mafia's doing to frame him? or the Vig failed to kill him (not sure if it's one of ur plan didn't check some of the post)

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BBG's situation is storng because of his evidence and Trundle's pm

I think BellBringerGreen is Mafia.

Last night he and Trundle were privately messaging eachother. Trundle was accusing him of being Mafia and BellBringerGreen took a lot of defense from it. Trundle then felt like he was in danger of dying so he told someone else. Trundle died as a Mason so it was easy for him to trust one other person. This whole scenario happened privately so we can't even argue that the Mafia may have wanted to frame BellBringerGreen. They would have never known about it to be able to try to frame BellBringerGreen.

I believe BellBringerGreen thought he could get away with killing Trundle since all of this happened through private messages. Unfortunately for BellBringerGreen, Trundle was a Mason. So yes, someone else knew that this happened last night BellBringerGreen.

I'd like to hear what BellBringerGreen has to say about this now?

I'm still worried about BBG tho, for now I need more infos about BBG and trundle.

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Lastly Dolby, Fireninja and Beary please do something useful will ya? We need to hear your opinions and concerns about stuff we really need you I know you guys can do it.

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omggg my post illogical post wtf am i thinking​

 

[Justin]

Can someone catch me up to the current happenings and whatnot? Figure I should probably contribute something before I get modkilled. (oops*)

*shoutout to kayla

 

[Chris]

BellBringerGreen
As I've already revealed, Trundle was someone I was communicating with to decide on the lynch target. When I went to bed on Wednesday night the last thing he said to me was that he was going to die:

[00:45:51] <Trundle> bye tina
[00:45:59] <Trundle> i'm gonna die
[00:46:00] <Trundle> btw
[00:46:05] <Trundle> see ya

I don't know when Trundle contacted BBG, but even so I was concerned about this. I was feeling nauseous so I wanted to get away from my computer, but when I logged in on Thursday morning the first thing I did was contact him about it. I got this reply:

The reason I think that I have a possibility of dying [is because] I messaged BellBringerGreen saying I knew he was mafia, and he got super defensive and replied twice in five minutes. He asked for evidence and I found some tiny little piece of difference between his posts this game and last and pretended I knew. He hasn't replied since. I have a feeling, if he is indeed mafia, he would have told his mafia friends about this and told him not to reply. I could be going down tonight, but who knows. He seems really suspicious.

Hearing this, I then asked him about how he thinks we should act on BBG, but I think he was at school and didn't get the chance to see it until after he died.

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Blu Rose

Blu rose, thats quite an interesting post you got there, it's like a completely different person wrote it, but still with a touch of your writing flavor. Now tell us, who was the infleunce of the way you wrote that post? Or did you just, all of a sudden, improve?

To me, this does not sound like a townie observation. More so something developed in scum chat in regard to day 2 activity. Immediately switching from a well thought out allegation to something you might consider safer or more common in Beary509 is also a scum tactic in my opinion to come off innocent.

Well hello there Blu Rose it seems you're improving or is it just obvious you ask someone to make a post for you eh?

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was thinking this. It seems to me that if Blu Rose is mafia then he is most likely one of the weaker links: someone with no actions; and the mafia are already aware that I have my eye on him. He'd be the most dispensable and therefore the perfect one to kick their plan into motion. Remember, Blu Rose was on my DT list until SP said it probably wasn't worth checking him.

 

[Prof Gallows]

Prof Gallows

None of you are particularly talkative. Fancy actually contributing to the game?

Haven't had a chance to. Stuff going on where I live and I had to deal with it.

I'm attempting to catch up right now, so I'll post more once I get a feel for where everything is currently.

 

[Blu Rose]

Sorry, school and all...

Anyways, I did not tell someone to make my post for me.
I don't trust anyone, except for, well, Kuma.
I'm not Mafia. As said before, if you want to waste a lynch on me, or, rather, have a Vigilante waste their shot on me, then, by all means, go ahead. Apparently, I'm still neing a distraction due to my suspicious behavior, and, it might be for the Town's benefit if I die.

I think I'm improving, but I certainly don't see how. Is it because I'm making better posts and actually trying to contribute, unlike last game? Or what?

Now, I'd like to... address all the accusations against me.

First, Farobi.
Now, if you can name one other person who could've wrote that specific post for me, and is not already accusing me, I'd like to hear it. If you can provide a name, I'll gladly defend myself from there.

Gandalf.
I'm sorry for looking at things from all viewpoints (note the sarcasm there).
In all seriousness, why does it seem like something developed in Scum Chat?

ITookYourWaffles.
Why are people accusing me of this?
Is it seriously impossible for me to improve?

Tina...
Ahh, the Mayor.
Now, if it were possible for me to know Mafia's plan, which I do not, how do my posts seem to be hinting at a master plan of sorts? Seriously, people. If I were a weak link in the Mafia, I still don't think they would send me to the front lines without some of my protest, and I think that they still want the Killing Power, as they kind of need it (at least, I think they do).

If you want to waste a shot on me, then go ahead. If you want to lynch me, then go ahead. It will only be wasting a day's work, or a precious shot. Whichever one you choose, you would lose a team mate. Or, you can play it safe and have a DT check m, which is what I personally suggest you do, but, it might not even really matter.

I assure everyone, I am a Bolshevik Revolutionary. There is nothing special about me, as all I have is my voice, and my ability to vote. I'm sorry for being a distraction, thus I will shut up for no, as I am apparently unable to improve.

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*me, in the block after my defense from Tina.

*now, in last block of text, instead of no

 

[BlueLeaf]

We should probably stay off the Blu Rose route. If we do, we will be lynching Blu Rose the same way we lynched beary in Game 2 or 3 (I forgot).

BBG is a better lynch candidate for now. To avoid redundancy, I'll just say the reasons shown in the thread are good enough. Trundle suspecting him, stepping up for Blu Rose, etc. If BBG does flip scum, we should take a closer look at the other candidates, like Fireninja and Beary.

 

[FireNinja1]

Trundle also contacted me over IRC yesterday, about 24 hours ago, asking me for my suspicions about BBG. He then proceeded to ask whether I thought he'd die or not. I said it was somewhat likely, mainly because of his attacks on BBG.

 

[Byngo]

Trundle also contacted me over IRC yesterday, about 24 hours ago, asking me for my suspicions about BBG. He then proceeded to ask whether I thought he'd die or not. I said it was somewhat likely, mainly because of his attacks on BBG.

He asked you wether you thought he would die after the nights end post was made? When he knew he was dead. lol

I'm assuming 24 hours ago means around 9 PM last night, which by that time all of us (or most) would have known Trundle was dead for several hours, including himself. o;

 

[FireNinja1]

He asked you wether you thought he would die after the nights end post was made? When he knew he was dead. lol

I'm assuming 24 hours ago means around 9 PM last night, which by that time all of us (or most) would have known Trundle was dead for several hours, including himself. o;

Apologies, I got my dates mixed up. I believe it was Wednesday, or 48 hours ago.

 

[unravel]

If blu is not dead I would like to ask the DT to investigate her tonight.
Exam next week expect i will vote random people or nl as placeholder

 

[iLoveYou]

Can someone catch me up to the current happenings and whatnot? Figure I should probably contribute something before I get modkilled. (oops*)

*shoutout to kayla

:'D <3 Fanx

BellBringerGreen, I am very willing to change my vote. There is nothing in my mind which seals it, that you are 100% going to flip Mafia. Unfortunately there is that little slip, which kinda makes you look guilty. If someone accused me of Mafia there's no way I would believe they're working with a Detective to be so confident .. because I'd know it was made up since I know I am Town aligned.

So please, convince us if you really are Town that we're making a mistake here. You never once said that it would be a waste of a lynch .. look how hard Blu Rose is defending himself. :/ To me that screams Townie pleading with the Town to reconsider.

I understand people feeling hesitant to vote .. I don't exactly feel 100% confident in voting for BellBringerGreen. If anyone else has something better to work with, then please help.

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Oops I forgot to bold all the other names. :L My bad.

 

[BellGreen]

Defense:

So far I already have a few votes. Before it will go any higher, I would like to say that it would be a waste of a lynch and there are much more better targets for current day lynch. Sure, I have messed up really badly. But there have been people like Hikari whose posts contain nothing but said information and just clog up the thread. Luckily he says he will stop posting until he finds something new. But when will that be? Hopefully soon.
I said earlier that the Detective thing was just a hunch. Trundle's PMs did not tell me to reply, but I did anyway. I said that he was probably working with a detective to see what he would reply. And obviously I slipped up.
I also do not want the "new strategy" excuse; I have already learned from that due to where it got me in Mini Mafia.
I will say it again: I am not Mafia. You can go ahead and lynch me, or have a vigilante take care of lynching me. Just know that if you do, you have lost a chance to lynch Mafia, or have just lost a shot.