Trundle trusted me with this information and felt like he was at risk of dying. He died tonight. I needed to bring this information forward so people would know and I have no one else to turn to so I have decided to post this publicly.
Mafia TBT Mafia IV: Red Revolution [Game Over/Mafia Win]
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Trundle trusted me with this information and felt like he was at risk of dying. He died tonight. I needed to bring this information forward so people would know and I have no one else to turn to so I have decided to post this publicly.
A medic can't protect her. That's why I asked why she's publicly claiming to be the mason.
KarlaKGB said:
Lmao. Come ON Kuma! You gave scum a free kill.
All jokes aside, a Mason isn't exactly a big loss.
All I thought from receiving his PM is how he would even know my role, correct or incorrect.
Actually, this is someone I am slightly suspicious of.
Why?
Pay attention to the last word. I posted this:
Her reply:
I hadn't thought much if that until I realized: Wait, thinking? "I guess the only thing to do is sit sight and make thinking"? That makes no sense.
Is it possible that using the word 'conspiracy' is a slip up made by a White Conspirator?
Keep in mind this is not an full on accusation, just an observation I am making.
Coincidentally, three of these names were thrown around between myself and a group of 4-6 players (who I can now confirm consisted of the deceased) for the first day lynch:
beary509 was dismissed after I cross-referenced her posts with her online activity on the entire forum. But this doesn't mean she's not mafia - it just means that she's making an effort to post whenever she's online. I can confirm both Superpenguin and oath2order suspected beary509.
BellBringerGreen is also who Trundle suspected of mafia.
FireNinja1 was kept alive because I wanted to think more about it. On that note: I asked a DT to check FireNinja1 night one. I hope if a DT did check him then they find a way to safely communicate his alignment to us.
BellBringerGreen is also who Trundle suspected of mafia.
FireNinja1 was kept alive because I wanted to think more about it. On that note: I asked a DT to check FireNinja1 night one. I hope if a DT did check him then they find a way to safely communicate his alignment to us.
I would like to hear from everyone BlueLeaf has named.
But why would you think he was working with a detective if it had been incorrect? Especially as no role checks could have possibly been carried out yet.
Which is why I thought he was just accusing me just to get to me. The "working with a detective" thing was more or less just a hunch because it seemed strange how Oath, Trundle, and Superpenguin were the ones picking from each other and they all died.
I'd like to call attention to Tina.
She did something about the distraction known as Mary, and she was revealed to be Bodyguard, and this was actually a step in the wrong direction, for Mafia, in my theory here.
I think Tina might be Mafia due to her jumping on people, and then not jumping on certain people when they mess up, as she did in beary's case, as beary509 is being the exact same thing as Mary was: A distraction.
To top it all off, she wasn't killed on Night 1, despite (in my opinion) being better than oath2order. As she had no bodyguard, she was vulnerable, and also her death would lead to a lot of people being crestfallen...
#sosalty, why did you die!
Either that, or this could be an attempt to frame beary509.
She did something about the distraction known as Mary, and she was revealed to be Bodyguard, and this was actually a step in the wrong direction, for Mafia, in my theory here.
I think Tina might be Mafia due to her jumping on people, and then not jumping on certain people when they mess up, as she did in beary's case, as beary509 is being the exact same thing as Mary was: A distraction.
To top it all off, she wasn't killed on Night 1, despite (in my opinion) being better than oath2order. As she had no bodyguard, she was vulnerable, and also her death would lead to a lot of people being crestfallen...
#sosalty, why did you die!
Either that, or this could be an attempt to frame beary509.
How is beary a distraction? She barely posts! And plus, a medic could have protected her. I don't really get your logic here.
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*a medic could have protected Tina
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Blu Rose: Actually, never mind about what I said. I get what you're saying. My point still stands about beary not being a distraction though.
If I don't call people out then they won't speak up. Even when I've done that I've not said, "this person is suspicious", have I? Look at the list of people I last mentioned: I asked them to talk more; I didn't say I suspected them. I told everyone that if I were mayor I would be trying to get people to post more so this should have been expected.
I've already explained why I lynched Mary / didn't lynch beary509 day one. I cross-referenced her posts and her online activity was consistent to when she has posted in this thread. Go check it yourself if you want. The evidence Superpenguin and Oath presented was just the following:
oath2order said:
With such a thin (yet I do admit it's valid) reason she was not going to be my first choice.
beary509 didn't make the post Lunatic is commenting on until after the lynch. I actually didn't catch beary509's poor choice of words: it's things like that why I am encouraging people to talk more. I can't do this all by myself.
I too was surprised I didn't die. I've two theories:
(1) the mafia intend to frame me.
(2) they figured a medic would protect me and therefore it would be a wasted hit.
(2) they figured a medic would protect me and therefore it would be a wasted hit.
I'm assuming the Mafia targeted all three of them in hopes of finding the Detective amongst them then? Superpenguin & Oath2Order did run for mayor. Chances are the Mafia figured they were important blue roles trying to get protected. That was a pretty good move on their part (Oath + SP), if it was intended to play out like this. =P All Townies should be appearing as blue-greens so that we throw the Mafia off.
This sentence worries me a lot. Getting accused of being Mafia and then immediately thinking Trundle was working with a Detective to have known that? Any Town player would have automatically dismissed that accusation (of being Mafia) if they knew themselves they were Town .. instead you jumped to the conclusion that there was a Detective in play to help him have known that? This includes any Millers, since you are not told you are a Miller rather a simple Townie. You should still have enough confidence to know you are Town to be able to defend yourself and not just assume there was a Detective involved.
BlueLeaf said:
Yeah... good point.
I think that #1 wouldn't be a smart option, but I guess it is working, if this is it.
#2. Why didn't the medic(s) protect Trundle, Superpenguin, or oath2order? As you said yourself, you can't do this yourself, but Trundle and oath were taking a lead on things, and same with SP, but hostile.
Has any DT checked Tina? If so, please PM me, unless if you feel I am suspicious, or maybe get to that later, on Night 2. I feel that it is of utmost importance that we rolecheck the Mayor, even if they are acting extremely innocent.
EpicGamer12
Senior Member
Masons can't be protected.
Oh, yeah, sorry, the new role is baffling my mind.
They could have protected Trundle. As a little ghost just mentioned (and I mentioned after Kuma claimed she's a mason) he would die even if he was protected. There's a chance that the medics could have chosen to protect me and Trundle - or any other players that risked being hit but weren't. I'm sure you can think of names. For their own protection I'm not going to list them here.
I'm sorry Hikari if this seems rude, but please stop posting information that we already know. Please try to collect new and interesting information. Thank you.
Okay, sorry! Just wanted to post something, since I was told to talk more. Unforunatly, I have no new information, so I'll stay quiet, until I get some!
Okay, sorry! Just wanted to post something, since I was told to talk more. Unforunatly, I have no new information, so I'll stay quiet, until I get some!
It's good to be posting, just when new information is included with it.
Finally home from the longest work day of my life. I'm dead. But I feel like I haven't been contributing much to this thread and I need to make an effort. Like a lot of you. I was hoping to make a post an hour or two before night ended (I was hoping most or all night actions were sent in and it was my chance to put in my two cents) but I had no service where I was working today.
RIP, Trundle, SuperPenguin, Oath2Order. I'm not sure what Oath was doing outside the thread, but I know SuperPenguin and Trundle were going out of their way to talk to people, trying to piece things together, and whatnot.
Kuma, It's good to see that you revealed this information. He could have been framed, could have not. I do have my suspicions though.
Last night I discussed a few things with SuperPenguin. And It looks like Trundle wasn't the only one suspicious of BBG. I wish I got the chance to talk to Trundle, I saw him in the IRC a few times and he seemed pretty aware that he was going to die. I should have contacted him and discussed some things. I think SP and Trundle were PMing each other as well.
Last night I didn't think much about BBG and his post for Blu Rose. Since many people including SP was set on Blu being innocent. Which made me think if Blu's innocent, why would it be so wrong if BBG posted for him?
But after his post, Trundle says:
Trundle seemed confident early on in the game that BBG is scum.
I'm pretty curious about the PM exchange between the both of them. And would like to see it, if you still have it.
This does read scummy to me, as I'm sure it does to everybody else.
Also, If anybody knows any specific posts that Trundle may have mentioned to you that made him so certain, please bring it to attention.
RIP, Trundle, SuperPenguin, Oath2Order. I'm not sure what Oath was doing outside the thread, but I know SuperPenguin and Trundle were going out of their way to talk to people, trying to piece things together, and whatnot.
I hope their efforts don't go to waste and if they did contact you, please speak up!
Kuma, It's good to see that you revealed this information. He could have been framed, could have not. I do have my suspicions though.
Last night I discussed a few things with SuperPenguin. And It looks like Trundle wasn't the only one suspicious of BBG. I wish I got the chance to talk to Trundle, I saw him in the IRC a few times and he seemed pretty aware that he was going to die. I should have contacted him and discussed some things. I think SP and Trundle were PMing each other as well.
[19:26] <Superpenguin> Basically what are your thoughts on this whole new BBG and Blu Rose thing
[19:30] <Laurina> I haven't seem much of BBG posts. Want to fill me in on that? As for Blu Rose, I see him as just being himself. I don't like the fact that his name is listed for the Detective to check. In the past games, he always gave me a suspicious vibe, sure. But he's not a threat whatsoever. I saw BBG "defending" for Blu with the Role Play thing, but I don't see why that'd be a problem. If he isn't checked, and becomes inactive I don't see why a Vig shouldn't take care of if (assuming they've been keeping track of who's aligned with who and shooting someone they can't read late in the game).
[19:31] <Laurina> Just like Mary, I see Blu as a safty net. A player someone can easily build a case against him when there's noone else to throw out there.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> It's just odd that BBG would need to post FOR Blu Rose, plus this is a similar tactic lynn and I used when we were mafia.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> That's how I view Blu Rose as well.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> I mean this is no reason to lynch either one of them, but it definitely sets a suspicious vibe for me on BBG.
[19:33] <Superpenguin> Well, I trust Blu is a townie, and looking at that Detective list of Tina
[19:34] <Superpenguin> It seems like it's at least half-filled with Townies
**The rest of our conversation was about the approach of his mayor campaign and how the Day 1 lynch went down and what could have been done differently, how it unraveled, what we should have done(bait)
[19:30] <Laurina> I haven't seem much of BBG posts. Want to fill me in on that? As for Blu Rose, I see him as just being himself. I don't like the fact that his name is listed for the Detective to check. In the past games, he always gave me a suspicious vibe, sure. But he's not a threat whatsoever. I saw BBG "defending" for Blu with the Role Play thing, but I don't see why that'd be a problem. If he isn't checked, and becomes inactive I don't see why a Vig shouldn't take care of if (assuming they've been keeping track of who's aligned with who and shooting someone they can't read late in the game).
[19:31] <Laurina> Just like Mary, I see Blu as a safty net. A player someone can easily build a case against him when there's noone else to throw out there.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> It's just odd that BBG would need to post FOR Blu Rose, plus this is a similar tactic lynn and I used when we were mafia.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> That's how I view Blu Rose as well.
[19:31] <Superpenguin> I mean this is no reason to lynch either one of them, but it definitely sets a suspicious vibe for me on BBG.
[19:33] <Superpenguin> Well, I trust Blu is a townie, and looking at that Detective list of Tina
[19:34] <Superpenguin> It seems like it's at least half-filled with Townies
**The rest of our conversation was about the approach of his mayor campaign and how the Day 1 lynch went down and what could have been done differently, how it unraveled, what we should have done(bait)
Last night I didn't think much about BBG and his post for Blu Rose. Since many people including SP was set on Blu being innocent. Which made me think if Blu's innocent, why would it be so wrong if BBG posted for him?
But after his post, Trundle says:
Trundle seemed confident early on in the game that BBG is scum.
I'm pretty curious about the PM exchange between the both of them. And would like to see it, if you still have it.
This does read scummy to me, as I'm sure it does to everybody else.
Again, I'd like to know how Trundle came about to accusing BBG and what his defense was.
Also, If anybody knows any specific posts that Trundle may have mentioned to you that made him so certain, please bring it to attention.
