Mafia TBT Mafia: Tarot [DAY 3]

[f11]

how can town believe a "jester."
you're only here to stir up a mess, you claim to be town but you're not contributing much to the cause. you can ask me if i'm mafia all day long but i'm just going to tell you no.

you only changed your town read on me from "townie" to "highly sus" because i started pointing out jacob for being scummy / obviously avoiding getting his hands dirty and actually contributing.

so crys, are you mafia?

actually my read on you switches a lot so but after deliberation I know your town. The lynch today runs down to Dolby/Tom and honestly Dolby and ness' interactions don't seem like scum. I'm going to re read toms posts so brb.

 

[tae]

actually my read on you switches a lot so but after deliberation I know your town. The lynch today runs down to Dolby/Tom and honestly Dolby and ness' interactions don't seem like scum. I'm going to re read toms posts so brb.

i think dolby is town.
tom i'm sus of, but jacob is the one i'm most uneasy about. looking over his filter now to see if i can catch anything scummy.

 

[Dolby]

Tom
Tina
Crys
Xine
Tardis2016
Alexi
Jacob
Mother of all Llama's
Toadsworthy


In b4 Xine is mad at you for trusting me over WIFOM

I did not join the Ness Bandwagon I voted for Ness because for afew reasons.
1. Doing a big Claim like Jack Of All Trades was a move so they didn't get lynched but they got lynched anyway.
2. I only see Jack Of All Trades in a game that has a main character like 1 of TBT Mafia that was Lord Of The Rings.
3. Some games they have a role that is close of Jack Of All Trades like the The Binding of Isaac but they don't call it Jack Of All Trades of cource The main character in that game had a item that was a Jack Of All Trades the D6.
That is my reasons. And sorry for the late replys the topic was closed.

This post really rubs me wrong though

 

[tae]

It's a closed setup, there might not even be a watcher

this could be true.
hell there might not even truly be a third party jester and crys might actually just be mafia hidden in plain sight or dumb town causing a stir.

 

[Dolby]

this could be true.
hell there might not even truly be a third party jester and crys might actually just be mafia hidden in plain sight or dumb town causing a stir.

I wouldn't think that Crys is mafia because of Ness's reaction to them claiming Jester (credit to Xine) and advocating for the vig to shoot them

 

[Chrystina]

Seems like Tom bussed tardis, really.
Even if we completely disregard what Crys saw, Tom is still possible scum.

 

[tae]

I wouldn't think that Crys is mafia because of Ness's reaction to them claiming Jester (credit to Xine) and advocating for the vig to shoot them

so they're more than likely vt going crazy or a hidden pr, if you ask me.
unless third party does exist then who knows.. crys has been an enigma this entire game.

 

[Chrystina]

actually okay yeah
SCUM TEAM
Tom, tardis, and I realllly wanna say Tina only b/c their predecessor was scummy as hell.

i really wanna work on my scum read and make them convincing/confident so gonna do that either before i sleep or tmrw morning, but i think Crys/xine will beat me to it fml.

 

[Kirbystarship]

According to the Mafia wikyi the Jester has no power unless the person who made the Mafia game made it so that the jester has a power. I think Crys is a watcher and a Jester.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jester

 

[toadsworthy]

Did anyone else re-read tom's posts? He never really contributed much to anything.... and this is what he said about the Ness vote.

I am okay with a Ness lynch, however if it's alright I'd rather keep my lone vote on Tardis. Not that I don't wanna be a team player here, but like what's the point of continuing to dogpile? I don't think I've seen Justice state they'd end the day earlier if Ness got all the votes, so there isn't any major harm here.

He really wanted us to know that he was neutral in that affair... seems sketchy (later I point out what he said before this)
Just so many times he posts like he is feigning disinterest! but I think he is just trying to keep it cool

Nope, I've just been busier thanks to people not showing up at work and a personal matter. Honestly I forgot I was playing a mafia game and was about to sleep the majority of today away since I've felt so fatigued.

Like I don't doubt you have personal things going on, but was that really necessary to say too? even if it is the truth, it just looks bad

When did emotional babble Ness go from being town to scum? Or are you mocking Xine here?

Here he casually tries to defend Ness
He did try to do on a read on Tardis, who is clearly the easiest target and the case didn't really seem too solid, because he based it on 1. the Major/ Minor Arcanas which is a meh argument imo
2. Just the fact that Tardis is inexperienced, which we all know by now

I saw this and at first I considered us to be as good as dead because town outed for no reason. But then I remember POWER ROLES get Major Arcanas. Ultimately if you want to wonder why Tardis outed, I think it's because of two reasons:

1. They seem to have only played Micro Mafia: Grey's Anatomy edition, where pretty much everyone was a doctor. So claiming wasn't really a big deal.
2. They're nervous mafia. They'e reading the thread and thinking people are going to jump on them for not claiming, especially since their predecessor didn't say anything.

I'm leaning more towards two, I think it'd be easy for people to claim one Arcana and because we're naturally thinking BLUE BLOOD back off. But at the same time if we apply the logic that townies and mafia goons are Minor Arcanas, it makes plenty of sense to apply the logic of "BLUES" and "MAFIA PR" are Major Arcanas. That's why instead of bandwagoning on Ness since besides the Inkling vote on Toadsworthy, I'd rather vote Tardis. I can practically promise you that most, if not all of mafia is hiding in that bandwagon.

Also I think Dolby is in the wrong here, I think Xine's case is safety solid. They point a lot that's wrong with TBT Mafia meta and honestly it's refreshing to see outsider opinion. ATE isn't the way we ought to be lynching, yet instead we're aiming for Ace Attorney levels of comical instead of something far more serious.

Ness
Heyden
Dolby
inkling
crys
Xine
Tardis2016
alexi
jacob
Trundle
mother of all llamas
taesaek
toadsworthy

Ultimately I think there's too many borderline scum plays coming from what ought to be town, but honestly ya'll like Katy Perry up in here with your hot and cold.

he also claimed to have "messed up" his bolding.... putting Ness on mafia, despite defending him. All of this before we knew Ness was mafia, so that seems like a freaking major slip-up to casually "mess up" he put his mess up in Caps too... so he was legit concerned about this "bolding mistake"

 

[f11]

actually okay yeah
SCUM TEAM
Tom, tardis, and I realllly wanna say Tina only b/c their predecessor was scummy as hell.

i really wanna work on my scum read and make them convincing/confident so gonna do that either before i sleep or tmrw morning, but i think Crys/xine will beat me to it fml.

im thinking tom/tardis/Jacob or yours. I haven't ever in my history of mafia posted real scum reads so you should be fine. Also I'm gone from 7am - 4pm pst if anyone's cares.

 

[toadsworthy]

actually okay yeah
SCUM TEAM
Tom, tardis, and I realllly wanna say Tina only b/c their predecessor was scummy as hell.

i really wanna work on my scum read and make them convincing/confident so gonna do that either before i sleep or tmrw morning, but i think Crys/xine will beat me to it fml.

Tardis though? I don't think Tom would've made that long post about Tardis if they were on the same team, especially because at the same time he was defending Ness

 

[Chrystina]

Tardis though? I don't think Tom would've made that long post about Tardis if they were on the same team, especially because at the same time he was defending Ness

BUSSING.

 

[toadsworthy]

I think Tom casually tried to put the heat on Tardis while we all wanted to Lynch Ness! go back and read the posts during that time, he clearly tried to help Ness

- - - Post Merge - - -

BUSSING.

what does this mean?

 

[tae]

im thinking tom/tardis/Jacob or yours. I haven't ever in my history of mafia posted real scum reads so you should be fine. Also I'm gone from 7am - 4pm pst if anyone's cares.

i'm on board for the tom/jacob part, tardis im uncertain of yet.

 

[Chrystina]

I think Tom casually tried to put the heat on Tardis while we all wanted to Lynch Ness! go back and read the posts during that time, he clearly tried to help Ness

- - - Post Merge - - -



what does this mean?

I was going to explain it in my beautifully typed out novel of a scumread but real quick: bussing is when a mafia player distances themselves from their other scum buddy. when they get the rest of town to vote for their scum buddy, hooray to them! they will be trusted pretty much 100% by town & then proceed to kill off the rest of town.

 

[tae]

think about it, jacob mentioned in a post about what he viewed the mafia team would look like:

Night ended when I was in the shower. Sorry.

Panda and M3ow_ huh. I could've guessed Panda considering the amount of new players, when I first played with her she striked me as a stronger player. I've only played as mafia one time and I always was like "Let's kill off the better players first, like Minties, Oath etc." I was on a pretty stacked team that game so they always said no, y'know lets kill the people who were inactive and might come out to bite us in the butt later on. The mafia team this game is probably consisting of one or two new players and maybe an inactive experienced player? If the team was stronger I doubt they would've voted Panda, but due to the amount of newer players- dead, inactive, or not (sugarella, inkling, toad, tae, shiida, alexi, bluedotXL, etc.) we should consider just how many inexperienced mafia are playing right now.
That's just my take on this, there is probably 2kp which they just used to kill them. I'm doubting there is a 3rd party that can kill (if there is tho, its probably sugarella or someone else being replaced idfk)

and if you line it up you have:
- tom, the highly experienced player.
- ness, the also experienced player.
- jacob, still new but has played scum before.
- possibly tardis / someone else who's a noob player.

 

[toadsworthy]

I was going to explain it in my beautifully typed out novel of a scumread but real quick: bussing is when a mafia player distances themselves from their other scum buddy. when they get the rest of town to vote for their scum buddy, hooray to them! they will be trusted pretty much 100% by town & then proceed to kill off the rest of town.

but with how it came at the same time as we were on the Ness Lynch Hype train, and it just seemed like such an easy-to-make argument to try to get the heat off his scum buddy. Plus look how he played up until then... Sarcastic, brash, little defensive at times but always casual. He really only spoke up when his scum buddy was in trouble. He did a casual and good attempt at it, but if he was gonna try to play mind tricks, I think he would've done it earlier to some degree. I don't really see this as Bussing there. With all this stuff I've reported, I am pretty set in thinking Tardis and Dolby are town

 

[Chrystina]

SCUM TEAM:​

Tardis2016/Tom
Just going to put these two together because why not.
It's obvious Tardis is nervous mafia. He's only played 1 micro game before, in the beginning he was pretty quiet. Had one little exchange with inkling but nothing sus really. Until this

For anyone who want to know I'ma tower.

then Tom comes in with this:

We're ****ed gg no re

I called him out for being scummy and not helpful for town whatsoever... what I had completely skimmed was Tardis's mafia PR claim.
Yeah, your scum buddy ****ed up Tom. GG. NOBODY EVEN CAUGHT IT UNTIL LATER. so I will come back to this I promise. I'm just going in order of the thread.

---

actually no. I claimed survivor, fool/jester and day cop.

Wow you keep changing your role I think I'll change my vote to you.

So, what you're saying is you'll unvote toadsworthy and vote for Crys instead of N e s s?
Thats interesting.

- - - Post Merge - - -

@tardis, how do you read ness?

.....
NO REPLY. Really this is SO OBVIOUS I shouldn't have to explain it.
1. How would tardis read ness/his scum teammate when the REST of town is already lynching him? He can't, so he goes back to lurking (yea I saw you lurking tardis)
2. He votes Crys who ultimately got ness to CC, look scummy as hell, and lynched. Revenge.

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Okay. Back to his roleclaim since I noticed & called him out on it.

Wait.

Hold up. I'm going through everyones posts now with the filter.
Tardis claimed. How did I miss this? Did anyone else see this & just disregard it?

For anyone who want to know I'ma tower.

This. Tbh I did see it but I just skimmed it and thought he horrible mistypo'd "townie"

Tardis,
1. what are you claiming, besides being Tower?
2. Why did you claim.

replys:
1. I'm a normal town member
2. everyone was telling their roles so I thought it would be okay with telling what my role is.

I thought this was hilarious, really. He JUST did what ness did. He just claimed a PR and then claimed town. Mafia should've gotten their safe claims together before actually posting them IMO.
Also, mafia should learn if theyre going to try and claim a BLUE role - don't just say your role and act like it's all good. I mean, you're already going all out and putting a HUGE target on yourself, might as well give some info/description on what you can actually do - except they don't and can't because their powers relate to mafia.

Then, Tom finally comes back.

I saw this and at first I considered us to be as good as dead because town outed for no reason. But then I remember POWER ROLES get Major Arcanas. Ultimately if you want to wonder why Tardis outed, I think it's because of two reasons:

1. They seem to have only played Micro Mafia: Grey's Anatomy edition, where pretty much everyone was a doctor. So claiming wasn't really a big deal.
2. They're nervous mafia. They'e reading the thread and thinking people are going to jump on them for not claiming, especially since their predecessor didn't say anything.

I'm leaning more towards two, I think it'd be easy for people to claim one Arcana and because we're naturally thinking BLUE BLOOD back off. But at the same time if we apply the logic that townies and mafia goons are Minor Arcanas, it makes plenty of sense to apply the logic of "BLUES" and "MAFIA PR" are Major Arcanas. That's why instead of bandwagoning on Ness since besides the Inkling vote on Toadsworthy, I'd rather vote Tardis. I can practically promise you that most, if not all of mafia is hiding in that bandwagon.

Also I think Dolby is in the wrong here, I think Xine's case is safety solid. They point a lot that's wrong with TBT Mafia meta and honestly it's refreshing to see outsider opinion. ATE isn't the way we ought to be lynching, yet instead we're aiming for Ace Attorney levels of comical instead of something far more serious.

Alright so Tom could've done two things.
1. Try and get the pressure off Tardis (too much work for him really lets be real)
2. Buss him. Which is what he obviously chose to do in his read.
I already explained it but I'll do it again.
Bussing: if Tom distances himself from his scum buddy & leads the lynch on Tardis after ness is lynched, he'll look like a hero to town - because he KNOWS Tardis will flip red. He KNOWS town will trust him, and he'll be safe from a lynch. While we all completely drop our sus of him - we all die.


Of course I didn't see that before day 2 ended, and I had said that my sus of Tom was gone. Heyden (RIP) posted his reads right before Night 2 and look what his read on Tom was:

Tom- At first I was leaning town for Tom, but more recently I've felt like something is off about him. I was originally going to rule him off as slightly suspicious, but it weird where he basically scumread everyone, although, props to him for having his own opinion. Putting almost everyone as, it's like he's trying to hide his thoughts to not accidentally reveal anything vital if he flips scum, but honestly I'm leaning more unsure about him. I'll look further into him tomorrow.

Ness- SCUM 100%, I don't need any further explanation or I'll be just repeating everything that has been stated so far. He is not 'The Moon', the Jack of all Trade, his powers make no sense at all and a Jack would be pretty overpowered in such a small game.

-Doctor please consider saving a strong player favoured by town
-Everyone is a bunch of sheep, please try and decide on your own opinions, don't base it off others
-My reads and thoughts are not firm, so could easily change based on nights actions
-Tom is a very optimal lynch for Day 3

Ultimately Heyden's read, and that FINAL sentence is what got him killed.
In his read - "I was originally going to rule him off as slightly suspicious, but it weird where he basically scumread everyone"
See:

Ness
Heyden
Dolby
inkling
crys
Xine
Tardis2016
alexi
jacob
Trundle
mother of all llamas
taesaek
toadsworthy

Ultimately I think there's too many borderline scum plays coming from what ought to be town, but honestly ya'll like Katy Perry up in here with your hot and cold.

Notice how he put ME as green? Only because I was blind and didn't see he was obvious scum, I wasn't a threat. and who's gonna put xine at a sus level? xine posted an amazing read on his scumbuddy/ness which also led to ness's lynch. It's just smart play - he knew xine would be 100% trusted by town once Ness was lynched, if he had any sus of xine it'd be all over for him.

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My guess for 3rd scum players are: Jacob OR Tina.
but if we lynch Tina just based on her predecessor... yeah lets just not do that.
I will go more into these two later but holy **** I really hope this makes sense and it took like an hour+++ to write up. I tried organizing it but THIS THREAD IS CRAZY.

 

[Chrystina]

Alright so I kinda posted my read and bounced cause I knew nobody was online but REALLY

but with how it came at the same time as we were on the Ness Lynch Hype train, and it just seemed like such an easy-to-make argument to try to get the heat off his scum buddy. Plus look how he played up until then... Sarcastic, brash, little defensive at times but always casual. He really only spoke up when his scum buddy was in trouble. He did a casual and good attempt at it, but if he was gonna try to play mind tricks, I think he would've done it earlier to some degree. I don't really see this as Bussing there. With all this stuff I've reported, I am pretty set in thinking Tardis and Dolby are town

are you scum?

think about it, jacob mentioned in a post about what he viewed the mafia team would look like:




and if you line it up you have:
- tom, the highly experienced player.
- ness, the also experienced player.
- jacob, still new but has played scum before.
- possibly tardis / someone else who's a noob player.

yep i just saw that now. agreed that was weird, and not to mention the fact that was Jacob's day 2 opening post and he didn't even seem to give a damn our cop was lynched

**** DOCTOR NO

Welcome to the game Tina!

ok i gotta b up early tmr, promised Tardis read coming tomorrow

ok is it just me or is "**** DOCTOR NO" ...not convincing
its like trying too hard to be convincing.

anyways I will be waiting for your tardis read, Jacob.